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We should amass bitcoins and buy an island.. make it a country and have it's currency BTC.  That is all.

yes great Idea, lets make btc stores and jobs, btc mini gov.  I like this idea, More Ideas, how come and live there when is ready.

Should make a direct democracy non of this representative crap that actually is not a democracy no matter what any one says.

all voting recorded in the blockchain

《Lost》in Bitcoin Island.  ;D

This should become real... I know for sure this can become a reality the question we have to ask is, when will USA bomb us for not allowing there banks to take over and there "democratic" leaders to hold top positions in office.

yea fuck america and it's hI*h taxes!!  lets call it New Zealand and make the currency Ruples or something    :)

seriously America is the greatest on Earth!  but we have many problems of our own (such as an overcrowded penal system, etc..)

I see it now, Joshualand.. a place where all cryptocurrencies are free and unbound.

I am telling about this from few months! :)

:) It would be so great to just make our own Bitcoin country on an island!

No taxes for miners :) no taxes for traders :) free electricity :) (solar systems)
etc... :)

The Republic of shatoshi...

I just hope a storm does not knock out power for any long period of time or we would all be SOL lol

Republic of Satoshi sounds very good ;)

And Satoshi Nakamoto will be our President or Prime minister :)

I`m in.:D...FTW Bitcoin

Yes, let's centralize all the enemies of the nation-state, so they can take us out with one single missile.

Brilliant!

no shit, i built a quantum computer that doesn't actually use electricity (all my work is done quantumlly thanks to this great Albatron motherboard   ;D ;D

No we will do away with the title of "President and Prime Minster" and the leader will just be called The Satoshi

Why do you have to go and ruin a perfectly good island by creating a government there?

Here are some similar discussions, just FYI:  ;-)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269059.0

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110821.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113724.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=216139.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238628.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=184856.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242119.0

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UAE did it.. Only cost a few billion

no problem

1. find small country with financial problems
2. find whale with lotsa btc
3. bring them together

I love you.

well maybe not a gov like we know it - but we need some members to keep eye on everything :)

Yeah, everybody loves a policed island

We need more than one island.
That way it is not such an easy target.

Bitcoin barges.. ? Srsly though.  

the guys that come up with these bitcoin island idea's are usually the guys that:
1. dont have the funds themselves (usually under 3BTC to their name)
2. have never bought real estate or land in their life
3. have no development skills to get water, electric, internet set up on such an island
4. will 99.999% most propably walk away with other peoples money.

instead of having some anonymous guy ask for you to "donate" to him for an island project. how about getting a island / land selling agent to accept bitcoin (a proper legal estate agent) and then people can by into that. or get richard branson to offer vacations on his island for bitcoin, with the intent(signed contract) he uses the funds to expand his island or buys a second island for community use.

only noobs would donate to a random guy on a forum that had a brainfart, but has no real experience in such a matter, nor the collateral to back up their idea

This great nation could easily adopt BTC and that nation is Sealand

I believe that their history and very existence aligns well with BTC.

We need to talk to Prince Michael Bates about this.

Thank you.

Doesn't even need to be an island.
They take BTC here now:
http://galtsgulchchile.com

That is a great idea but....
who is going to stop Obama from invading or starting a war against you?

^^^ Good question!!!

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdf_books/civildisobedience.pdf

Great idea, perhaps we can find inspiration from Atlas Shrugged's capitalist utopia? ;)

The random guy has been chosen

Franky do you want to go buy the island ^_^

But I agree this topic comes up a lot at least Finshaggy has a business plan for his bitcointown and a 16 set video series lol.

or help the lobbying to get New Hampshire. USA, to be more free from corporate banking laws and be more bitcoin friendly
or help Hull, UK to use a blockchain for local transactions instead of bank accounts owned by international corporations.

no point making an island to throw everyone onto. its better to change the towns/states to be bitcoin friendly.

Jekyll Island? LOL

SQ

Great idea! Go find a piece of land over -200 ft sea level that is not owned by a government and get back to us.

Hint: no land exists that is not controlled by a government (not even land underwater other than several miles deep hundreds of miles away from land)


However...there are some projects in the works.

For a small piece of land where bitcoin is accepted, as has been mentioned before there is:
http://galtsgulchchile.com

For a project to dock a ship in international waters outside of prosperous cities (accepting bitcoin donations):
http://blueseed.co/

For a project to create a floating platform under no government rule (eventually):
http://www.seasteading.org/floating-city-project/


Finally, when it comes to coordination...I hope to set up a Pool for those interested in such a venture when I open the BitPools site (a few weeks). Doing so does not put money into one person's hands while trying to figure out what everyone wants.

nice idea ;D
but who will be a president of that new country? Max Keiser?  ;D
cyprus maybe?

Are you fucking kidding me? The meaning of government is LITERALLY "service to the people". They pay us with their service, we give them nothing. The only reason we'd ever need to give them money is for them to do a specific job for us. So say you want to lobby for a certain type of new weapon on the market so that you could ensure the politicians the new weapons are legal and safe (as in no intrinsic hazard to other people - an example of a hazard would be uranium shells which could kill everyone in the neighborhood just by sitting there and doing nothing except emit cancer causing radiation). You could pay the man to look at the bill first. But you'd just be part of a priority list and you can't ask them to get to yours first over the other bills on the priority list. A bill can take awhile to read and disrupts them from doing their other work, so i don't see why they couldn't ask YOU to pay them. Beyond that, government service is just a job. It's like keeping a homestead running. you just gotta do it... and in a taxless libertarian society you won't be required to work for the government (taxes) so you don't have to sell your crops if you don't want to. But your farm life is yours and yours alone, so your responsibility is to take care of it. Farming your own crops does not have intrinsic value other than putting food in your stomach. No one really owes you something for taking care of yourself.

In the normal sense of the word government it is a humble and fee-less service designed to HELP the people and to LISTEN to the people, as the PEOPLE are the boss, not the government. The government should have absolutely NOTHING to do with ANY currency, whether it's USD fiat, or Bitcoins.

make every resident accountable. they all do weekly voting on certain island agenda's.

after all it wold be an island of a small population, not a 70 million population country that needs a small committee to be the voice/representation of the many to keep debates controllable and civil.

and all bitcoiners would be smart enough to vote using a blockchain.

I like this floating city idea the best..

Furthermore.. I am an Electrical Technologist, I could Design, purchase and install an electrical system on an Island.. I have real life skillz.

Yeah well. This sounds good :)
What would be a population you think? :) How many Bitcoin users are here with us? :)
@Bitcointalk we have ~302k registered users, perhaps some of them are no longer visiting Bitcointalk, but ~302k.
+ those who haven't yet registered @Bitcoin talk - maybe a 1 million? :)

It's like my home city population :) it is not that small :) we will have time indeed to keep everything in our hands :)

Our only work will be mining :D and taking care of the island and other people.

Which would be more likely to succeed?

• amass bitcoins and buy an island
• amass bitcoins and support a revolution of oppressed indiginous people on an island

One million would be way to much! When I think of a "bitcoin island" I think of a small island with a few thousand inhabitants at most.
We would not need a government, digital freedom and privacy would be respected and it would be the digital capital of the world. Direct-democratic of course.

Well perhaps not all of the users will be happy to change their place of living so few thousands maybe will be enough ... :)

Sealand is a joke. If there is any entity likely to walk away with a nation's bitcoin treasury it is the current "Sealand government".

Turns out that ability to board and maintain ownership of a gun emplacement in the sea does not correlate well with running a successful business, or general mental stability.

https://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-11/dc-11-presentations/dc-11-Lackey/dc11-havenco.pdf

I have been down this road before. Much further than just chatting about ideas online.

As part of the Free State Project a group of us were going to work on buying land for a "free town" type of project. Discussion went on for months. We weighed different parts of the state with graphs and voting numbers and laws and every type of analysis we could come up with.

Finally we determined that if 50 of us put in $10k each we would have enough to buy a large lot of land that could be divided between us with the goal of around 5-10 acres each. So we had one guy who lived in the state who's dad did that type of real estate business himself who was just getting into starting his own business start working on setting things up for us. He set up a corporation and started setting out to find land. He had a contract written up and asked for people to start submitting their checks, with a signed contract from him and us.

It ended up with just 2 of us (me and another couple) sending him $10k. Meanwhile he's driving all over the state taking pictures and talking to land owners, sending us everything we want, but nobody else ponied up any cash. He ended up giving the money back, losing out on time and money.

It ended up that everyone was all talk with no ability to actually invest in such an idea. The discussions died off and that was the end of it.

That is why I started working on BitPools. Where you can keep your bitcoins in your wallet but can pledge your money toward such a goal. If enough people pledge to the point that it is a viable possibility it is only then that people will start working on actual proposals. Then people can vote with their bitcoin on whichever idea they like best and the project gets funded.

It is much easier to talk than actually do something.
Also, people who don't have the money might just be "dreaming".

Well I know that making this idea come true is not too easy and finding people who will really pay for this will be hard.

I must say, I haven't got even 100$ in that moment, so I know that all those are dreams for me - but my dreams sometimes come true :)
So I believe that this is possible - just more people need to join this idea.

I know that if I had more money I'd seriously consider using some of it for a project like this. Until then I'll keep on dreaming ;)

We should amass bitcoins and make the land we live on already less like a country. And take a holiday on the said island once in a while.

Oh I found and island guys. Send me a bitcoin and it is yours:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/1qT-rOXB6NI/maxresdefault.jpg

I suppose that mass of trash could be easily seized and controlled. And defended.
Using it won't be as easy. I mean... We could, but with some of the early adopters, bitcoin land belongs somewhere... sexier.

:) Yes this is not a best place for Bitcoin land :P

This idea will grow in a minds of many :) you will see :P

One day we will meet there :) and with others will be celebrating a VICTORY of BTC!

A) There won't be a military defending it, this means that criminals (or the U.S., the biggest criminals) could invade it freely and incite violence with minimal provocation.
B) There won't be a government willing to sell you an island in order to establish a government on it, you will never be recognized by anyone.
C) Your newly founded country would dry out from sanctions from all the governments feeding propaganda to the stupid masses about your country being a heaven for drug dealers etc.

that's not a bad idea, but the purpose should be just to make it officially a currency...it can be sealand, make bitcoin the nation currency and leave the"nation" empty as it is......

regarding governement:
consensus-based direct democracy without representative is possible. There are high-tech democratic methods around 99,9% of you will not know about. Governments are really a waste of recources.

if you are interested in the future of real democracy take a look here:
http://systemicconsensus.blogspot.it

everything else will fail - i know from experience. I think direct democracy is congruent with what most anarchists want if it is done right. But maybe that is too progressive - i don't know. Voluntarism does not need to fail.

edit: I'll make a thread when i bought the island (later - we need btc much higher for that)

Forget the democracy idea. Democracy means that if 51% of the people decide on something, the 49% have to follow, even if they are adamantly against it. Rather, make it NO government, except...

If anyone damages someone's property, he must repay 4 times the expense of repairing the damage, and litigation expenses, as well. But if he harms someone, the same thing must be done to him as he harmed the other:
eye for eye;
tooth for tooth;
hand for hand;
life for life.

There should be judges elected by qualifications set down in a protocol like Mastercoin or Counterparty, based on Bitcoin. While there is no democracy, but rather freedom, said qualifications for judges should be voted on using Bitcoin-style security as to voting qualifications.

Judges would judge on whether harm or damage was the fault of someone, or whether it was simply the negligence of the one harmed or damaged.

Threats must be taken into account the same as harm or damage, based on judges determining whether or not the threat is valid. After all, we all say things like "f*** y**" to somebody sometime, yet we don't really mean that person any harm. But the kind of threat that would exist from someone building an atomic bomb in his garage should be judged and voted on by democratic voting, first by the judges, and then by the people.

However, if there is controversy regarding whether or not a judge judged faithfully, there should be a democratic vote by the people on the judges actions and judgement. There might be punishment for a judge who judged criminally incorrectly.

The only additional job of the judges would be to draft warnings, not laws. For example, if there is an area where it is dangerous to swim, the judges should see to it that there are signs put up that warn people from swimming there. The people would be free to swim there, but if they did, their harm and medical care would be on their own heads.

Also, judges should cause certain kinds of training to come about. For example, if a woman becomes pregnant, there should be no abortion, because it is murder. Rather, there should be warnings taught among the people that if a woman gets pregnant, she and the man have essentially agreed in advance, with the child-to-be, simply by getting together, that they will support that child until the child is strong enough and old enough to take care of himself/herself. It's on their heads for getting together in the first place, so that the child can live a reasonable life.

Let's not have direct democracy where people are controlled by the voting of other people. Let us rather have freedom and decentralization throughout the whole Bitcoin Island. The above is only some idea on how we can do it. Obviously, there would need to be a lot of details worked out.

:)

Actually, you can find all kinds of different country ratings about all kinds of things, if you search. United States is 12th economically - http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.

General freedom - http://www.freedomhouse.org/report-types/freedom-world#.Uztl6ldcMcg.

Health freedom, U.S. is last - http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/01/new-health-rankings-of-17-nations-us-is-dead-last/267045/.

If you have to pay property tax, do you really have freedom? Isn't it the boss who tells us what we must do and not do? No freedom if there is taxation.

:)

This goes both ways. Let's centralize them all so that we know where they are when we decide to take them out!

:)

not. that stoneage. mayority-votes lead systemically to building parties and fight over power. it is really out of date. They don't teach you the good stuff in their institutions.

That would honestly eliminate fraud... though you would have to register your name to a wallet....

Actually, this isn't a bad thought. A computer built on sound would be naturally quantum. Here's what I mean. Sound and electromagnetic vibration are more or less the same thing. They are vibration of particles, which are themselves vibration across the phases of the "aether."

Check into it. Anyone can build a "sound" computer at home by pin-point layering auto-body resins with different "impurity substances" placed in them to cause different vibrational frequencies. Electronics are not needed, but are helpful for detecting changes in the sound vibrations.

:)

i've got 2140 BTC to spend on volcano's, or whatevers god wants to put there

If you have to learn how to understand government, it is too complicated already. All of us are reasonably smart. We all understand when things are right and when they are wrong, if we have all the details. Make it simple, or it will always be prone to corruption.

For example, the Constitution of the United States is reasonably simple when compared with all the laws and codes. Somewhere in the range of 99+% of the codes and laws are unnecessary. Democracy and voting are the things that generally try to encroach on the freedom of others by introducing laws and codes.

:)

Actually, we need a floating island, so that all the subs of all the nations can blast our bottom out from under us.

:)

Actually, a government may need a currency to make trading between its departments easier. The people should not be required to use it. Of course, the people are idiots and will go and voluntarily make agreements with government anyway. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10.

:)

Did you say "make?" as in "force?"

Hey, it was swell knowing you. Perhaps again sometime.

:)

So why is it that all kinds of folks ponied up multiple $thousands to buy Bitcoin? There isn't anything substantial backing Bitcoin. Land is always there. If the Internet or the power grid failed, Bitcoin could conceivably be gone. Land is always there. Do you think the land people maybe used the wrong approach? (Mastercoin Counterparty)

:)

And there are ways to do it. Ways to make it legal to drink unpasteurized milk. Ways to trade property without sales tax. Ways to avoid property tax and income tax on the use of the property.

Bitcoin is an innovation. Counterparty and Mastercoin are innovations built on Bitcoin. MaidSafe is coming.

It seems that the people who know how to work with land, and the people who know the best ways of owning land, and the people who know the major loopholes around the taxes, are not all that interested in Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the key that ties it all together, at least until MaidSafe is fully online and operating worldwide.

:)

Looks like a nice place.
Are those < 600 friendly or blood thirsty?

The native Marquesans of that region were famous for their cannibalism in the 18th and 19th centuries.  ;D

Some people think that it is even continuing to this day.  ;D

http://www.divetravelbusinessnews.com/article/avid-diversailer-feared-eaten-cannibals-marquesas-islands

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/8831702/Tales-of-cannibalism-from-the-South-Pacific.html

Isn't that where they host the Mortal Kombat?

In French Polynesia, a territory of France.

Nope. Mortal Kombat takes place in a fictional universe consisting of six surviving realms.  ;D

The search for BTC island goes on.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ofUQm-jFgNM/UONE3sYDfiI/AAAAAAAAU6U/aicoyaaLBX8/s640/gilligans-island-tv-show.jpg

We are gonna need some missiles and shit to defend our sovereignty  though

If you can dream it we can build it. Geeks will own the world when they learn that knowledge is more powerful than money.

Shouldn't we instead be a non-militaristic nation? You know, no weapons, no army?

I'll move in.

I will work for 0.2 btc/day.

Shatoshi?


But this is a really good idea,  but how would we make it a country if we buy the island which is owned buy another country?


What if we got sealand to accept bitcoin?
http://www.sealandgov.org/

This may sound funny, but the idea is not even so weird. I would like to live on an island with people who dont have a specific religion, and work for and use BTC.

Where can I sign in? :D

Buying an Island is not a problem. Proclaiming it country might be bigger one. Besides I think crypto currencies belong to Internet.

Contact Viktor Bout. He might be able to help you. However, I am not sure whether he accepts BTC or not.

You don't really need a physical land, it will be stupid to rebuild it from scratch. You only need a virtual land attached to the physical world, which makes the physical world a sub-set of this virtual land (the physical world have very limited freedom, maximum 4 dimension, but a virtual world can have unlimited dimension)

Any country's financial system on this planet is only a sub-set of bitcoin network

The Matrix!

Do you mean like a virtual country? A digital nation? If that is possible it sounds like a really cool idea!

It already exists but not with BTC, instead it's Linden Dollars.
It's called second life.

Personally I tried it once and found it stupid, but it's a good base start.

no missiles please. Thats so 1960s i would like me some freaking lasers.

Great idea I have to say but mafias and drug dealers would stick around this place. You'd need to get bitcoin to another level. Basically, you'd need to make it spendable without your computer. Maybe some sort of paypass bitcoin card?

No, I'm not thinking of a game. I'm thinking of an actual self-declared digital nation! With its servers placed on international territory or something. That would be really cool.

Like I said it's a base start....

None the less, if more members are interested in creating a such world count me in as designer, web designer and a few other things I do on the side ;)

EDIT: No need for international servers. Blockchain baby!!!!!

If I donate to such Island, would i get my own plot from the start ? :D

No. Such an island is not possible to build. Every square inch of the earth (not only the land, but the oceans also) is currently claimed by some UN nation. They will not allow the creation of a Bitcoin island.

The only option for Bitcoiners is to migrate to some less populated nation like Nauru, and take it over. But international law prevents such a takeover.

Or, we could all decide on one location and move there. Some location that is already friendly to our ideals, but has a small enough population and government footprint that we can affect change. Damn, http://freestateproject.org/ (http://freestateproject.org/) beat me to it.

Yeah, but fuck the UN. Still, since we have some money the Nauru government will totally cooperate. (Nauru doesn't really have any money)

I'm in. Let's do this!!!  ;D

OK, so how do we go about this?

Let's see, I personally can create a virtual world in Flash which is supported by Windows, Mac and Linux.
Mobiles are a problem here...

We do however need some sort of blockchain and I must admit that it is beyond my skills to embed blockchain in the Flash platform.

Apart from that, I can definitely create a virtual world including stores, etc, in Flash, all backed up with a database and cross-platform third party tools like Zinc or Haxe.
I will need help though if we want it fast.

We can call it BitCountry BitCointry  ;D - or something.

If something like this is created then maybe we can start shaping things the way we want them?

We will probably need to seek legal advice when using a virtual world to sell real life products legally.

I don't know, it's a start, but I am up for it  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

EDIT: Seriously, imagine the possibilities of creating a REAL WORLD - game - where everyone is happy!

EDIT 2: OP. I think I love your idea and my wife will probably hate me for not going to bed before 4:00am because I am working on this....

Edit 3: Are we trying to create the Matrix here? I know I have mentioned this before but....

A census taker once tried to test them. They ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

No country will allow unlimited immigration to the point that the natives become only a fraction of the population. Already in Nauru, only around 60% of the population is native.

The Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl lived there with his wife for a while.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatu_Hiva_(book)

That'd be cool. But I'm thinking more of a "real world" digital nation. I mean, why not? The digital revolution is already all over us!

That is true, and even if we don't give a fuck about the government it's still immoral. Can't we just take some uninhabited island somewhere and build our nation there?

The problem is that all the uninhabited islands are claimed by one country or the another. There are no free islands left.

If you have money, then you can try building an artificial island in the international waters. That'll be quite difficult, as the international waters (outside the EEZ of UN members) are very deep.

if it does happen im in. dibs close to seashore!

Also once you did, you'd have to defend it.

If you look at the history of somewhere like Singapore, they required massive military support from Israel in order to be safe from just being taken over by a near neighbour like Malaysia.

we'll need amateur radio, so we can update the Blockchain electronically  :o

73, KD4YKT

That's what i mean; We'll take it and declare it to be an independent nation. Building an island in international waters would be close to impossible even if you're filthy rich.

No matter what such an island would require a standing army there, if we set up a Bitcoin island we would have to bring weapons.. Nukes would probably ensure we could start up such an island just like how they protect NK from annihilation.  I was kind of just throwing the idea around, but it would require a war to get.. the banksters are not fond of letting their slaves go.

I suggest 'Condom Reef' for you guys.  It's also in the South Pacific(*):

  http://devolve.com/bizarre/condom.html (http://devolve.com/bizarre/condom.html)

(*) In actual fact, Condom Reef is an artifact of someone's demented mind...but then so are most of these Libertarian utopia ideas so it kinda fits.

Second life had so much potential, but it really sucks.
Such a waste....

Exactly!
We can make it so much better...

Why declare anything? Buy the land, and do your thing. Declaring anything is only going to draw attention and grant legitimacy to the state. Your best bet in the US would be to create your own religion, and cut yourself off from the rest of the world. You'd have some chance of defending that in court, and having the more import court of public opinion on your side.

The entire idea is to free ourselves from our debt masters... Well that's why I mentioned it.  The fact my gov can take out unlimited amounts of money against my name means I am a slave.  I don't like being a slave..  people suggest moving.. only 3 countires are not controlled and owned by the central banksters.

1. You can't eat Bitcoin or digital. You need to have REAL land somewhere. At least an island would allow both land and ocean fish.

2. Nobody started a nation from scratch, without a lot of talk and organizing with other people. A nation of one isn't any fun. A nation of many needs discussion and agreement before it can happen.

3. This means that digital is a good way to start. Ideas can be thrown into a pot. They can be compared with the history of many nations. Many of the past mistakes can be avoided. For example, the Constitutional government of the U.S. should have been set to die in, say, 20 years after it was set in place. The nation should have reverted to The Articles of Confederation.

4. We of the digital age are smart enough to wire the best plan into a Bitcoin-like program that would make it work.

5. If we are good, the world will come to us for our plan, and we won't need to purchase an island, or any other land. The peoples of the world will throw their lands to us for the opportunity to participate.

6. What we have will need to be made extremely secure from a standpoint of being unchangeable, like the blockchain. Otherwise the corrupt politicians of the world will try to use it to enslave the peoples of the world ever more firmly, in unbreakable chains.

7. One of the major questions has to do with "time." The banking system is about to collapse worldwide. The U.S. dollar is about to be removed as the major world currency. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) is about to set its own currency in place, one that would start the whole process over again, and make it another hundred years before the REAL final collapse will come. But the turmoil that will come about with the collapse of the U.S. dollar just might possible take the Internet down. We don't have much time; in fact we have very little time.

8. You have seen my basic idea for extremely limited government, and lots of personal freedom, on page 3 of this thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551676.msg6026390#msg6026390.

:)

great idea, where is address for donations?
one island is only beggining, we can buy some small country

I can declare a stake in your productivity... what makes me any different? Force. They can back it up, and kill you without recourse, if you resist. You're only as much a slave as you are forced to comply. Of course, you are a slave. As am I. My point is, the problem is not the government policies... it's the monopoly on force. I have no problem with communism, socialism, capitalism, or any other 'ism... as long as participation is voluntary.

(Yes, capitalism is wrong if it's forced... not sure whatever that might look like)

Here is a hypothetical sequence:

Identify an existing island with a small population, with adequate rainfall and some potential for self-sustainability, that has been colonized in the past, and whose people may want to be independent.  The island should be very far away from the colonial power.

A videographer visits the island, asks questions and records individuals responding about the takeover of their land by a foreign power and the overthrow of their sovereignty, what they would like to see happen in the future for their children, and asks how long the foreign domination of their land should continue.  A list and photo of every resident of the island is compiled, and an evaluation of each one is started and updated throughout the process.  The videographer hands out t-shirts with an appropriate message and graphic.  Future indigenous spokesmen and potential leaders are identified and cultivated.  Follow-up visits by others are conducted throughout the remaining process.

The video is edited in the most advantageous and appealing way possible, given subtitles, music, etc.  The history of oppression and foreign control of the people is documented, along with their desire to be free.

A web domain is obtained, and a web site is created with stories, photos, and videos.

The video is released as a documentary at the major film festivals.

Support by celebrities is cultivated.

Support by donors is cultivated.  Bitcoin is prominently featured as a method of donation.  A board of trustees administers the funds.

A United Nations declaration is pursued, which supports the right of the indigenous people to self-determination.

A declaration of independence is created, and then signed by the indigenous people, in a sequence of elders and influential persons that is most advantageous.  Copies are posted on the web site at the appropriate time.

A constitution is created, which specifies a new currency (Bitcoin), and offers residency and/or citizenship to individuals who significantly assisted in the independence of the nation, or who support it now.  Bitcoin grants are made to every resident who signed the declaration of independence.

Representation at the United Nations is requested.

Bitcoin is no longer property.  It is an official currency.  It is strongly identified with something righteous and noble.

A fresh start.

Update:  No more hypothetical details here.

I would highly recommend not donating to any idea unless it has +10k PEOPLE behind it.  People are wealth, the most underrated wealth there is.  I'll leave that there but soon.. people will remeber what real wealth is and that paper cannot feed you.  The idea just popped into my head so I just wanted to talk about it, glad to see there are a lot more people that have gone a lot farther with this idea then I have.

I like this.

Hehe :) IF early adopters would be interested about this idea I think this might be possible.

It's a matter of control:

The real world is trying to put bitcoin into its existing framework to control it, but due to the P2P network, the degree of control is very limited

On the other hand, bitcoin is trying to put real world into its totally new framework and regulate the real world with its purchasing power, once its purchasing power is big enough, then it essentially make the real world a sub-set of its framework

Imagine that if 1 BTC can buy you a whole city, then you are making the rules for those cities as you wish, or at least develop it the way you want it

As a human citizen in a certain country, you should obey the rules of that country, but since bitcoin is almost impossible to regulate, your bitcoin is your key to freedom

So you might not need a bitcoin island, what you need is to support the bitcoin exchange rate and push it towards multi-billion dollars

Point of law; point of evidence. In the United States... from Marc Stevens at http://marcstevens.net/articles/ol-lie-world-tour-evidence-laws-apply.html.

"I’ve mentioned this on the No State Project a few times.  It’s the Same ol’ Lie World Tour.  I’ve already gotten lot’s of footage and will post them under this part of the website so they are easy to find.  The Tempe city council “we have jurisdiction because we say so” and the interview with federal magistrate John Buttrick are good examples."

... and ...

"There is a very pertinent question here: If the police have no evidence the laws apply, and the prosecutors don’t, then where are the judges getting it from when they insist they have jurisdiction over us?  They are so certain they will not only put us in cages, but also order psychological examines for asking for this phantom evidence."

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The point of this is that in the United States, there is no evidence that any laws apply to anybody. If there is no evidence that any laws apply, then why and how can government prosecute anyone, or even insist that they obey a law? Check out what Marc has to say.

The thing that Marc doesn't say is that the only way that laws can apply, or that judges have any authority over us, is by contract or agreement, where we have agreed to accept the laws or the judgements. But government never shows us the agreement. So maybe there isn't any.

In other words, even the various governments in the United States, and the United States government itself, are all dictatorsahips, simply acting for their own reasons like they are governments of freedom.

Time for Bitcoin Island, which might include all of North America, or maybe the whole world... all of it under fair, free Bitcoin-style agreement.

:)

You'd appreciate Lysander Spooner's "No Treason:The Constitution of No Authority".

From the U.S. Constitution (of no authority), Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1 in part: "No State shall ... pass any ... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts ...."

In other words, the States can't make laws that overcome agreements, if the agreements are done up in the right way.

The Federal Government has been adjudicated to be a "state."

Your point is well taken.

:)

Can we declare sovereignty over different places, like a distributed nation or something like that?

Like for example some occupied spaces we´re they accept bitcoin as their official currency.

cool

I see our community will do it one day :)

One day I will place my feet @ bitcoin land! :)

hehe :)
regards.

As I said before, taking over an already occupied island will bring shitstorm from the UN.

Would you be willing to pledge 10 bitcoins towards buying a small island?

Not hand over to me or anyone, just set aside 10 of your current bitcoins in your own wallet toward this goal.

This is assuming a few years of hashing things out before anyone would need to send their bitcoins and a significant increase in the value of those 10 bitcoins. A goal of 200 people pledged with a final 100 people agreeing on the final decision and actually following through with the payment.

So this island will have a decentralized voting system in place for a real democracy?

Why yes, yes you can. It's called Self. And you're already eyeball deep in bitcoin land. Up to you to take control over your domain without asking permission. That's what you need to fully understand. Freedom isn't an island. It's a state of mind and a state of self. You and me and them and whoever can pile onto a piece of land anywhere and the current authority will blow us all to bits for our disobedience. OR you and me and them can turn to this currency and blow the central authority out of the water, even if it begins on the underground as a fad...

Laws are only as good as the people who choose to accept them. Most people have a slave paradigm because they were born into it from generations passed. It's all habitual and the idea of legitimate freedom to people who don't know they're as free as they choose to be (as opposed to as free as someone else lets them be) is an alien concept.

Self is a sovereign place, a sovereign space with 100% self control over its future and can choose to accept an official currency and spread the word.

I think that Andreas A (- spelling block) and others make this point well: bitcoin is a disruptive technology, no doubt about it. Adopting it requires the ones accepting it to take 100% control and responsibility over their own realities, from their financial security to the way they get through life. Once the balance of power shifts because of the wealth transfer, the "powers that be" who presume their own wealth makes them the masters will be hit with an ugly reality that they're irrelevant. They can scream, snort and holler foul all they want and write up more laws than they can spell, and it won't matter...the people would have chosen their own currency, adopted it, built an organic economy, be anonymous or transparent at their own discretion, and change the way everything works, including the need for a government at all.

That decentralization factor is going to be mega HUGE for people when the concept snaps into place and they realize en mass they don't need nor require some self appointed agency of corrupt twats to decide what they can and cannot do, what they can and cannot spend, how much, how little, or whether they should hand over any portion of it to said twats for any reason, when they no longer need to answer to a government...

Bitcoin is the currency that finally allows Self to get up off its knees and govern itself without needing the agency to handle things or think for them.  THAT is freedom...and by the time governments figure out what happened, it'll be too late because all the people have to do is CHOOSE bitcoin and they can end all this shit across the globe once and for all.


This goes for all countries everywhere. Once the people choose to accept bitcoin as the people's currency and develop the infrastructure throughout this network, the value of the currency rises while the value of the state's fiat currency tanks hard - value goes down when nobody wants it. The state, then, cannot pay its enforcers...they can't pay its soldiers...they can't pay its legal entities...with worthless currency...because the currency that is valued and used by the people in the whole bitcoin network has changed everything.

The individual agents of government might buy into bitcoin when they don't have anything else but they do so without their centralized authority.

Government then is the people's government...like it was always supposed to be. No need for an island...just understand the disruptive potential of bitcoin and EMBRACE it out the ass!  Instead of being at the mercy of shops for fun stuff, organize and let the owners/merchants know that you CHOOSE bitcoin and won't be purchasing from them with any other currency. If their sales drop, they'll start accepting it. Especially if there is an "in world" style marketplace that deals exclusively in these real goods and services.

That's freedom.

use it or lose it.

How about a joint donation wallet using a form of escrow so that the only way that it can be spent is if all the donators agreed to spend it. the only option should be that individual donators could get their funds back after 30 days request if they decide to opt out. This would give us an idea who was serious, without risking anything.

The details would need to be worked out - for the island, I mean. But even the details for setting up a meeting forum to get ideas for the whole thing would need to be worked out. Or could we use a thread in Bitcointalk?

Lot of work involved. We also would need some cool, experienced heads just to put it all together. I'm not much of a programmer, only a little javascript and perl. But I do have access to some of the best freedom government ideas around as you can see from one of my previous posts in this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551676.msg6026390#msg6026390.

What do you think? Should we start a thread designed around the idea of initial organization?

:)

http://www.burningman.com/

Well said.


Hehehe. I see you are serious on this. For me the best implementation of this is not an island but to establish "common property" across the world. We need to specify a new license of property and start to buy and share stuff for common use. The closest thing I had seen to this is the bookcrossing movement. I have several ideas on how to develop this, if someone want to talk about, just PM me.

Check this:


A little bit of hope for us!!!

set up a military, purchase a few nuclear warheads, submarines, tanks, siege an island, write your own law

We should ally with North Korea and get a few nukes for free.

North Korea doesn't have any nukes. And most importantly, we should be politically independent. That means no alliances with anyone.

I'm pretty sure they do? My suggestion was not serious btw.

great......

Probably N. Korea has a few nukes which might at least fizzle a bit.  But they starved half their population in order to get them so it would be unlikely that they would be especially generous in giving them away.

Israel, OTOH, has plenty.  And they might see the utility of having a safe-house of sorts for some of their higher-ups in the form of an isolated and well defended island since a slip-up could result in the need for a hasty vacation of the so-called 'promised land'.  They've made a good number of enemies over the years and they may find that more of their friendships than they had hoped might be of the fair-weather variety if the shit actually hits the fan at some point.

(I just paid my taxes so the billions we (the U.S.) send to Israel and the diddly-squat we get in return is especially annoying right about now.  If I had my way the one last thing I'd send to Israel would be Pollard's dead carcass then I'd dust off my hands and let the Zionists pursue their projects on their own.)

Has http://bitcoinisland.org been mentioned yet?
Objective - Crowdfunding a private island for Bitcoin
0% Raised So Far

The site looks really cheap, even the photo could be much better.

0% because it has absolutely no research behind it.
Probably a scam.

Nooo :) this is not a same with build a BTC island which is much better idea :)
IMO.

Skorpios would be a good choice but I doubt it's for sale.
Bill Gates has shown interest to buy it but it wasn't for sale.

http://www.villayalenia.gr/images/skorpios-01.jpg

This one is perfect :) maybe a little too big ... :P but at least everyone will have enought space to live :P

I've got another suggestion: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/piaabuu-islands
The price is low and it's quite big (for that price anyway). Any rich bitcoiner willing to fund this? :D

Well is not really only about the place and the price. It is more about people  who will do something to make it real.
Would all of us just leave their jobs houses and travel to bitcoin island?

Guys we are all throwing ideas here but NO actual research has been done.

Such as:
Power - probably photovoltaic farm which means we need an island in an area that has a lot of sunlight during the day cycle.
Food - The land must be suitable for plantations and having live stock - which means any island full of poisonous snakes etc, might not be suitable.
Internet - That can be covered with satellite internet, but it's expensive so BTC production must be good.
Water supply - We need to have drinkable water.
Health care - Shit happens you know....
Protection - From outsiders, pirates, thieves, the gov, etc.

and the list goes on.....

Right now we have an idea but it is not properly researched.

Nakamoto Cookie say:

He who is not industrious enough to organize a local promotional campaign to get merchants on board mainstream to accepting bitcoin or to even make a splash in his own backyard is clearly talking out his ass about banding together to buy an island where bitcoin is The Way...


 ;D

Guys, I have started a thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556831

Please help with your suggestions.

There has been so much research done on this, millions of dollars worth.

http://www.seasteading.org/overview/

Buying an island controlled by another nation is no different than
http://galtsgulchchile.com/

Count me in  :-)

Instead of an island, crowdfunding for a Noah's Ark ship where it circles around the world picking up bitcoiners along the way, explore the arctic, stop by amazon river mouth, organize bitcoin conferences, it loads with nitrox tanks for adventurous bitcoiners to organize coinsummit on the sea bed of cocos island while observing sharks feeding, pick up some asic rigs from china to mine onboard, etc.

The idea is not bad. But a ship will be having limited surface area, and won't be having the much needed agricultural / recreational space. Without these the society will be dependent on the outside world.

You mean like a bitcoin version of Freedom ship?

Sneak peek:
http://i61.tinypic.com/14mduo4.png

beta testers needed (opening April 15)

I guess most ppl don't want to get stuck on something for long time like marriage at least I don't. The idea of such cruise ship is bitcoiners can hop onboard, spend a few weeks or so using bitcoin as currency and leave to another bitcoin ship, or bitcoin islands.


Freedom ship is too big for its own good, it's like centralization that we try to get away. I guess a medium size catamaran that is able to haul 25 to 50 people should be able to function as society. We can have many of these nimble,agile floating units, and together we can form a caravan of bitcoin floating micronation roaming the pacific together, and hopefully make it together.

I found a Island perfect for Mark Karpeles "Dick Island" I would call it :D

see for yourself, price is not even so bad.
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/mavuva-island-lots

@ Dipt Gehehehehe perfect for Mark suits him good , lol

Good Christ, another island thread. Let's all pool our Bitcoins and buy an island, or a big boat, or an old oil platform in the ocean or maybe seastead a giant floating dead whale. This forum has salt water on the brain!

http://mw.micronation.org/wiki/Woodland_Patchwork

thepiratebay.se tried to do the same thing:
1- buy an island
2- declare independence
3- create a nation where all online programs are free

So why don't we team up with them?  ;D

I would not want to live on an island with you derelicts.
In no other community have I had to protect myself from so many dishonest, scammy, schemers.

It would be exhausting living in perpetual defense. 

Bitcoin revealed that much of the world plays from a different rulebook - void of conscience.
I'm OK with my distance from many of you.

They gave up the idea because they couldn't raise the necessary funds. They even thought about buying a land parcel in Somalia, and declaring independence.  ;D

Unfortunately this is true.  Step foot on Bitcoin Island and you probably get held for ransom immediately.

A shame.

Yeah, we let them host servers and they'll pay for the internet access on the island.
They get servers, we get free internet. Win-win situation!

What makes you think that Viacom.etc will permit that? They'll ask Obama / NATO to invade the island.

Good point… What if we put underwater cables to a few countries we could have our own internet provider.

The organiser would probably claim that your ticket to the island isn't a real ticket, it's just a 'token' ticket, and that all the real tickets were stolen from them due to a ticket malleability issue.  Then they would claim it wasn't their fault, it's a problem with all tickets.   

It will be much harder to pull this off as an island. You're better off building a bitcoin commune. Exactly what TDV is doing in Chile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home,_Washington

An isolated island can become self-sufficient, and free from outside interference. A commune, located within another sovereign nation will not achieve that objective.

This is absurd.

Why? I think it would be kinda cool with a bitcoin micronation!

is ok we can Hire the bitcoin Police.  Why not Im sure it can work,  Will we have a governement or a counsel to represent?

When did statists take over this site? I prefer the scammers. At least they try to steal your money directly from you.

because instead of making bitcoin community, a small colony on a small island. its easier and cheaper to get world acceptance
research:
new hampshire
hull coin

Luckily for us(US), the overcrowding was answered with more jails constructed and FEMA Resorts. What are the chances of having Darian as the conductor for the free train ride to the latter?

Common property. Lands, ships, stuff and manage everything though some king of p2p ledger system.

Yeah pretty much.

My only consolation would be that the scumbags would be there to fight in person.  And I believe I'd fare ok ... long as I had a secure place to sleep  ::)

That is one beautiful island.
Is it in danger from being in a hurricane zone? 

I believe that the Ionian Sea is normally free of hurricanes.

Sounds great
I'm ready to earn the freedom to travel.
Currently, I need to "get all my ducks in a row."

Here is a very good option: a tiny island in the mediterranean with an old fortress on it:
http://www.montenegroinvestments.info/projects/mamula-island (http://www.montenegroinvestments.info/projects/mamula-island)

 And the best part is that its home country (Montenegro) is very very business friendly, very very low-tax and very cheap. There is possible to get even a banking license at a very cheap price: https://www.offshore-manual.com/europe-montenegro.html (https://www.offshore-manual.com/europe-montenegro.html) or setup an e-gambling business: http://e-gambling.me/en/16/services (http://e-gambling.me/en/16/services) (or maybe both in one).

For those that are actually serious about this, if you want to put your bitcoins where your mouth is sign up for the Bitcoin Island discussion here:

http://www.bitpools.com/?Bitcoin%20Island

There is also a discussion for those that want to invest in land:
http://www.bitpools.com/?Bitcoin%20Island%20Landowners

And those that want to invest in development and infrastructure:
http://www.bitpools.com/?Bitcoin%20Island%20Developers

wohooho thats interested like a film a lost island life without bitcoin and miners everywhere
and casinos everywhere thats greaat
and all payment with bitcoin :D

it will be interested if someone implement this

Whoa, nice try Mr. Pirate! I bet you'll be mooring your ship in the harbor first thing after the island is being opened!  :D

once buying the island. to set up a hotel for people to stay, some shops for people to buy stuff, some offices to work in, some roads to join it all together, some warehouses to hold stock, some utility cables, and sewage/water piping.. ends op as atleast $4 billion.. thats a large stake of bitcoins in circulation.. so yea.. throw money at the fund manager as he rubs his hands together. but realise that its much easier and cheaper to make the world accept bitcoin rather than throw everybitcoiner onto a concentration camp isand..

summary
bitcoin island is centralised and takes a large stake out of everyones pocket and puts it into one persons hands. just to build.. think smart. i dont know why people think up these dreams but it wont help bitcoin world wide one bit..

Not just one person's if the land is purchased by people pooling their money and voting using the blockchain toward what they want.

And the infrastructure can be created by others pooling their money toward different investments.

Billions are not needed for a small island with 20-30 land owners renting to visitors or selling out parcels.

20 people pledging 50 bitcoins each when the bitcoin price hits $10k then they have $10 million for the purchase.

That would be enough for this 36,000 acre island:
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/ilha-das-pacas


A similar amount of 20 people pledging 50 bitcoins would be enough for a solar array with electricity sent to each of the 20 1,800 acre properties. Maybe even doing solar roads instead of a solar array to kill two birds with one stone.

Rather than creating an island nation solely for the purpose of using bitcoins we could focus all that effort and money into making the whole world using bitcoins.

you are right, but most of the world (and especially the west) is already a concentration camp, so it could be sensible to find some far little islet (physical or metaphorical) with relatively greater freedom to move in to start something bitcoin-related or not.

but i agree about keeping risks at a minimum, so better find ways to start with very little and then see what happens.

Oooh I do like this idea.

All of what effort? A few dozen people focusing on a project?

Should we shut down all small bitcoin projects and focus on making the whole world use bitcoins?

What's not to like? It's Austrian influenced. I only suggest moving the island ~.3km closer to shore to then come full circle.

If bitcoin island is a "small" project i don't even want to think what the well that was constructed via doge4water was.

One exchange just had a $40 million investment. That could pay for 4 large islands.

A single bitcoin island would have the media attention of millions of dollars in advertisement. It would be a demonstration of how effective Bitcoin is and demonstrate real world solutions uninhibited by government regulations.

ok i mentioned it before on maybe 12 threads ..

so a few posts back someone said 50btc each for 10-20 land owners to buy an island.

and thats where it ends for that dream. but i done the maths many times before about the TRUE costs..

so...

20 land owners. ok 20 houses, lets say $100k each as its not $50k to build a normal house, its $100k due to importing materials or extra labour to hand craft materials..

so 2million for their houses. now the piping.. imagine that as not an easy thing. after al clean water has to go into the houses and dirty water out so thats 2 pipelines. oh and where does this water come from.. hmmmm guess the fund raiser has not thought about that. and where will the sewerage go, if out to sea it better be far away enough to not end up swimming or fishing in the stuff. so its not just a couple of small pipes..

next electric and internet cabling.. again, how will people get electric. solar panels.. well then imagine the amount of acres of land needed for solar panels to power a mining farm warehouse and the distance that covers to then have cabling from that land to the houses.. multiple miles of cables. then add the internet, if satellite great, but if wanting to connect to the main line under the ocean, you guessed it, alot of cabling.

now where was i. oh year. visitors, meaning hotels and shops.. more then a few million dollars there too for the building and cabling.

so thats now 20million dollars just for lets say 100 people. but hang on.. hotels and shops need employee's.. ok more houses, lets say just 10 more houses.. thats another million dollars..

wait.. but now there needs to be warehouses for stock, and mining farms.. cha ching you guessed it.. more costs.

so for just 20 land owners to have people visit them is NOT... i repeat IS NOT going to cost them just $10m. this scenario is not making a bitcoin island for anyone to visit as that would need to have jetty's (boat carparks) it would need hotels to hold atleast 1000 a night..

to me this seems like getting the community to hand 20 people alot of money just so they can have an exclusive holiday resort for 5-10 people per landlord allowed to visit at any time, with a cost in excess of $50million to achieve this exclusiveness.

if it was to become a proper bitcoin island for anyone to come to and even start living and working there, then it would cost ALOT more, i mean alot more. as i havent even told you the cost of building offices for lets say 1000 people, aswell as their homes.

i do love the dream of it. just like the dream of a visit to mars that people are asking for bitcoin sponsorships for.. but the reality is either an exclusive 14 night stay for 5-10 friend of the landlord. making it not really helpful to the bitcoin world... or a full access bitcoin island where it can handle thousands of long term tenants/visitors/worers per day (small township) costing billions to build..

.... if only people stopped dreaming of the utopian end result and actually tested some theories and scenarios against their projects first off, less would fail and less money would be wasted.

This won't be happening for a long time and if ever. the costs would be too high. people are thinking it won't cost much but the island will probably be the cheapest thing out of the project.

The well constructed via doge4water is kinda not the same as Bitcoin Island will be indeed :)
And it isn't a small project you are right. Well.. doge4wated wasn't a small project too but building a well for ~$20k (1 well) is pretty not the same with Bitcoin Island indeed :)


Both projects are awesome anyway!

I do love this idea though and would love to see it happen but it would take someone who would be willing to take risks with a lot of money and a lot of dedication to get it finished and looking great.

I'm in! 

Exact. no hurricane in greece.
you can come in peace !!!  ;D

I participate !  ;D

Yeah we want a place which is pretty much unlikely to have these natural disasters.

If humanity continue in this way, neither place will be spared the consequences of climate change.
the increase in sea level is a constraint to consider. ;)

My dream is for a floating bitcoin fortress... Google "seasteading" for more

 http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17tc1thc2qifujpg/original.jpg

FIAT countries won't trade with your island. :'(

no, it's us who would better not trade our good cryptocoins for bad FIATcoins  ;D

but the point is to find a place with low or none FIATcoin extortion (taxes) and freedom from control-freak governments.

Countries will trade with you if there is an incentive to do so
Of course that requires a strong economic strength and resilience which Bitcoin can offer and a lot of stuff they want :)

Im pretty sure the Winklevii could buy several islands, create a village and give people jobs were everyone gets paid on Bitcoin, it would be mostly a tourism resort. Fuck, if I was rich I would have too many ideas, too bad I missed the motherfucking boat :D  :'(

crypto island with 96% men and 4% women.. we'll end up fucking with trees.

It's better to visit Whore Island which accept Bitcoins. Oooh, I forgot that we have one land and it's called Amsterdam.

If the crypto island is a success all bitcoiners will get rich. And the women magnet will be activated. ;).

Sorry for being such a misogynist ;).

Guys, don't talk about it, do it, or i will, when i'am back from my trip to the states.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=698127.0



Buying an island is not as expensive as you probably think.

much easier to convert Jersey in the british isles into a 'bitcoin island. theres already buildings, cabling piping, shops, etc.. and you dont have to buy the island you simply need buy houses that already built there and get in contact with the financial companies on the island...

.. oh wait people already are...

jersey will become a bitcoin island far far sooner and far far cheaper then the proposals mentioned in this topic..

I think we should start with Hawaii where infrastructure and the people are ready. Small islands like Lanai should be doable.

Before starting with any of the mentioned islands.. shouldn't we ask the people living on those islands?

How do you know people there "are ready" for this?

Yes, if you want an industrial modern country it will cost more than $10 million.

20 large properties where each owner is on his own to build whatever they want? Much less.

I already explained electricity. As for water, I live on the Gulf of Mexico where people can't build wells like those inland. Initially those living on the water got their water delivered from a company inland. Over time they built pipes. I ran for the water commission (our water company is a private cooperative), the yearly cost for about 10,000 residents runs about $1 million per year paid for by water bills. This includes buying land for building wells, a team of 3 guys installing and maintaining the pipes and a staff of 2 or 3 people in the main office.

Everything you mention that involves more than the first 20 people includes people..people bringing revenue. Revenue that pays for infrastructure.

Want to build Jersey or Singapore with all of its infrastructure within the first year? Yep...that would be pricey. I agree that such a crazy idea should not be attempted.

Starting small with basic services probably with some eco-tourism living in cabins doing some fishing and hiking? Totally do-able.


You are right though as you mentioned in another thread. Those that talk about it probably don't even have any bitcoins in the first place.

For those that do and want to make it happen, pledge your bitcoins (keeping your BTC in your wallet) here: http://www.bitpools.com/?Bitcoin%20Island

Don't know what you guys are smokin' - but you gotta put that pipe down ;D ;D ;D

Actually, I shouldn't pick on romerun, this whole thread is waaay out there!

ja ja. I was a little drunk yesterday. Back to the reality. There are big islands with large amount of water supply on the under development countries that land, labor, cost nothing. Some of them are so close to the mainland that its possible to connect with bridge.

There are also islands on rivers where fresh water is not a problem.

It may be wild and crazy but it is possible and would be awesome if it could be done.

Seriously an awesome idea! ;D

but can we TRUST people then to buy movies and download music from approved sources (i.e. Itunes, spotify).  instead??  regulation is good, especially when most people would rather steal stuff than buy it

Why are we not funding this???

In all truthfulness, however, it is actually a pretty good idea. Moving all the miners and users together onto a relatively small island, making it easier to create contracts or directly confront miners about nearing the 51% mark, although cex.io would next to definitely just keep their facilities on the mainland...

What would the economy be like though? There wouldn't necessarily be a lot of natural resources, and it is more tropical, so...

I have a feeling that importing and exporting would be pretty big however.

Would definitely be an interesting experiment, that I for one would enjoy watching.

This is an awesome idea, I agree someone needs to reach out to the pirate bay. We could work together.

...unless we move somewhere to become the majority new hampshire project-style: maybe there are states small enough and liberal enough in conceding citizenship to make it possible. Alternatively grouping a big enough amount of coins/money we could negotiate a deal including quasi-sovereignty on some rock or plot of land (in fiat affairs they call them "free trade zones").

P.S. never underestimate jokes and cults, especially about money  :)