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ByteCoin is the first Coin with this System and Monero a Fork.

It is interesting that Monero has a better exchange Value than ByteCoin

Quazarcoin (QCN)

And how you know that this Coin has a Premine I haven't found anything

are you serious? or just trolling

go to google

80% Premine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A coin from a scammer who tried to relaunch Monero with the same name lol

For me Quazarcoin don't look like a Scam

Did you even read what i said?

Yes,  Shit Happens

Monero = fair launch, veteran team making great progress, current #1 anon crypto (besides the hyped out Bitcoin fork known as DRK)
Bytecoin = shitty secret launch on deep web, lucky to implement cryptonote before anyone else, horrible optimization of the software (I was not able to use the software or mine until MRO team optimized it).
QCN = direct clone of the MRO code, im not sure if the devs can come up with decent stuff or they will keep forking MRO
FCN = seems like another fork but at least they are contributing with novelty stuff like merge mining, so if QCN went up FCN will go up for sure. It's on my radar.

Also, notice how people that want to do a cryptonote coin, will be forking MRO and not BCN.

Make your own decisions.

cant say it better, btw. atm was a 80 btc dump on poloniex @ monero, but the price go never under 0.005 and is now still rising, its crazy.

If you browse the SoureCode of Menoro and QCN you can see that the Code is different in some ways, but you can also see that QCN is based on Monero

http://quazarcoin.org/img/graph.png

FTFU

lol look @ poloniex there was a 80 BTC dump

All these chains are forks of Bytecoin (BCN) (not to mix up with the unfortunate Bitcoin clone also called Bytecoin (BTE) (http://bytecoin.biz/). They are written from ground up and stand outside the many Bitcoin based clones by also employing CryptoNote technology, using "Ring Signatures" to anonymize transactions. The POW mining algorythm called "CryptoNight" is also unique and made GPU and ASIC resistant to mine exclusively on CPUs.
https://cryptonote.org/




Monero (MRO) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0)     = Fair launch, no pre or instamine, dedicated dev group of 3-4 core devs still have to come up with substantial improvements over Bytecoin code base, most anonymous crypto solution out there (besides the hyped out Litecoin fork known as DRK which is basically CoinJoin and relies on trust of a few "coin mixers" called Master Nodes), flatter emission schedule then Bytecoin (3 years for the first 50% of QCN will be created), 1 min block time
http://www.monero.cc/

Bytecoin (BCN) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.0)    = Secret launch on deep web (devs stated that Bytecoin was launched 2 years ago) with corresponding premine of 82% of all Bytecoins that will ever be, possibly linked to the mysterious CICADA group (no joke;), first implementation of the cryptonote technology, possibly deliberately slow miner binaries after launch to limit solo miner's success thus further increasing, 2 min block time
https://bytecoin.org/old/index.html (worth a visit ;)
https://bytecoin.org/

Quazarcoin (QCN) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600658) = clone of the MRO code, im not sure if the devs can come up with decent stuff or they will keep forking MRO, irregularities during and before launch (someone supposedly had discovered the devs github repository and began mining before even the dev had started QCn thus increasing difficulty by a large resulting in premine, etc.), emission schedule quite flat (6 years for the first 50% of QCN to be created), 2 min block time

Fantomcoin (FCN) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=598823.0) = seems like another fork but at least they are contributing with novelty stuff like merge mining, so if QCN went up FCN will go up for sure. It's on my radar,  emission schedule quite flat (6 years for the first 50% of QCN to be created), 1 min block time.

Boolberry (BBR) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.0) = formerly known as Honnypenny


Make your own decisions.




@ giveBTCpls: I took the liberty to edit your list with what I can contribute. Cheers

I don't even think, that BCN started before 2014. The website looked like that in november 2013:
http://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/

and suddenly in February they claim an announcement of 2012:
http://web.archive.org/web/20140225123108/http://bytecoin.org

simply impudence! Do they think, we are stupid? And even if there was another url before. Where is it?

unleash monero fans!!!

Bytecoin was released in 2012..it isn't meant for the general population, we would gladly let Monero be the "#1 anonymous" coin, since Bytecoin was/is originally meant for a small selection of users. Yes it was "premined" if you call it that by a few individuals, above 85% actually.

No more FUD--Let's get the facts straight in large red lettering too

First you all need to read: http://bytecoiner.org/about.php
This is a BCN community website that has all of the information you need to know in one place.  This info used to be scattered everywhere, but now it is nicely consolidated on this website--this is not fabricated.

BCN was not premined.  It was released on July 4, 2012.  Opponents argue that the release wasn't "public enough", and thus conclude the coin was "premined".  Better call Bitcoin premined too, then!  The developers of BCN actually worked with CryptoNote on the CryptoNight algorithm and BCN formed from there.  Read the information from that link and see for yourself.

Monero is basically the taco shop version of BCN, IMO.  The logo and name give the impression of a dollar store and the developers don't seem as passionate as the original creators of the tech (and rightfully so).  The Monero devs are very quick to protect what is in their best financial interests, and that is obvious from their snarky comments scattered on reddit and this forum.  Users really need to make their own decision, and the market will reflect that.  Bytecoin has a much more favorable risk to reward ratio at the moment, and it is the original and most secure anonymous coin out there at the moment.  All the Shibes who blindly moved to DarkCoin will eventually stampede over themselves to the CryptoNote camp in the last two quarters of 2014.  If you are using an anonymous coin for its actual anonymous properties (and not just following hype or trying to make money) there is not a huge incentive for you to care that a lot of the coin has been mined already.  After all, bitcoin is over 60% mined!  If anything I would much rather support a coin like duckNote over Monero, because the name is hilarious rather than boring.  Marketability is not all about the specific name, but has to do with the atmosphere surrounding the coin and the coin's feel/emotional response.  Monero is no bueno.

BCN FTW

Hope that helps, GL.

Crypt all the way man  ;)

please tell me on which website this so called news of 2012 were posted. it was NOT on bytecoin.org, because there was no page!

Indeed, FUD is bad. But math is great. Allow me to inject some basic arithmetic into this.

Difficulty is stored in the blockchain and division by block time gives the network hashrate. Anyone is free to check for themselves that BCN difficulty ranged between 50k-100k from July 2012 to January 2014. This corresponds to ~600 H/s total in the network. Even with the old crippled miner of BCN, this corresponds to less than 50 physical CPUs mining 80% of the total supply that will ever exist. With some simple loop optimizations on the miner, this corresponds to less than 10 physical CPUs.

Market participants are individually free to judge the implications of this. FUD is superfluous.

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/

He published the whitepaper and discussed it on The Cryptography Mailing List in 2008, and then subsequently announced its release on the same mailing list. This is a mailing list with tens of thousands of subscribers from all over the world. The mailing list is publicly catalogued by several different sources, and is indexed by all major search engines. IF Bytecoin was launched 2 years ago, and I believe that to be utter bullshit, then it was certainly not launched and made available to nearly the same number of people as Bitcoin was.

Given the nature of the whitepaper and the code, and given that anything with this level of mathematics and cryptography would interest so many people around the world, there is no logical reason for it to have been released secretly and in a manner that kept it hidden from view from the very ones that could double-check the cryptography and advance it. No academic on the face of the planet would hide their research in this way.

Oh and IF it was "released" on the dark web, surely there would be an OnionForum post announcing it? Or a TorChan post? Surely there would be some additional posts discussing it? Surely the Hidden Wiki would have an entry within a few months of its release?

Also, do you think we're fucking stupid?

This thread isnt even worth being made.

Bytecoin was mined 80% before it was made public, it's code was also a HUGE mess. According to Bytecoin's blockchain, the first block was mined in 2012, it's now 2014 and over 80% of it's entire coin supply has been mined by a few people.

Monero never had a instamine/premine like Bytecoin, and has the most optimized code of any cryptonote coin


There's no point in argueing simply because you can look at the Bytecoin blockchain for yourself, and see that the first blocks were mined in 2012, and that almost 90% of it's supply is already mined and in the hands of a few individuals.

you can surely fake the dates somehow, if they really stand in the blockchain. I honestly doubt, that this can be hidden for 1 1/2 years. Never...
And all the webpages didn't exist before end of 2013. Github was made end 2013. EVERYTHING. The wiki times can easily be faked as well as everything else. They were hiding the coin as long as possible. No exchange, usw. And now, as they are afraid, that Monero would steal their show, they are hurrying... suddenly they go public as much as they can...
seems like they are afraid that their money turns out to be playmoney...

It seems user did make their own decisions : just look at the 24h volume : nearly half a million dollar! Also, Monero has a way more favorable risk reward ratio:

- financially: XMR market cap is half BCN market cap and its not a premined so no risked to be dumped on;
- technically: nowadays most of the updates done to CN are done by the dev of XMR;
- philosophically: XMR seems to share the same Cryptonote ultimate goal : massive adoption.

To quote  Catherine_Erwin from the CN forum: There can't be too much information on CryptoNote currencies.  (source: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=162&start=10#p722)

Why do you think the cryptonote core team split up with BCN members? They dont share the same ideals! One is operating behind a curtain and create sketchy stories for marketing purposes or worse perhaps out of greed,  the other values an open and transparent approach to built on direct and constant communication.

Follow the coin that share your ideals, this is as simple as that.

cmon. you can easily fake a blockchain if you can start it yourself.
just take maybe 2 or 3 Months and rent a bunch of Computers. You set the times of all computers 1 1/2 years earlier and start a changing algorithm that smoothy fakes longer time frames. voilà...

as explained its not...
its like a screenhot that can be photoshoped

Really, make a coin yourself, come back to me, I'll check the code. Then you try and fake the blockchain. You're just making up lies now my friend..

so explain, why this is would be not possible?

Why do you write this? What is your motivation?
This is soooo wrong and you know it.

Please do the above, make a coin yourself, and try to fake the blockchain, lordoliver. I know you're not going to bother, since it's impossible....But it'd be funny to see you try.

I don't want to do that. Because it costs a lot of effort. so why should i do it?
But you still didn't explain, why it is not possible.


Why can't you change the system time while the demon is running? Isn't the demon using it? And even if not a good programmer can surely change that in his version...

As I said again earlier, There's no point in trying to make up bullshit excuses. The point is, the bytecoin's blockchain says the first coin was mined in 2012, and over 80% of it's coin supply have been mined by only a few addresses. You cannot deny that. It also wouldn't make any sense for them to "try and change" the blockchain date to 2 years earlier....Think before you type.

He's 100% right, thought, the timestamp on the blockchain is set by the miner. It's trivial to change your system time to 2 years back and then fast forward through as you mine with an adjusted difficulty algorithm. The CryptoNote whitepaper even acknowledges that timestamps are set by miners and are not absolute:

"But due to inaccurate and untrusted timestamps we cannot determine the exact time interval between blocks. A user can shift his timestamp into the future and the next time intervals might be improbably small or even negative. Presumably there will be few incidents of this kind, so we can just sort the timestamps and cut-o the outliers (i.e. 20%). The range of the rest values is the time which was spent for 80% of the corresponding blocks." - 6.2.1 Difficulty

How do you not know something this basic? Is this the first time you've played with cryptocurrency? Fucking hell, man, get a clue before bolding your bold-faced bullshit.

Monero investor detected

No, the only coin I hold is Bitcoin. I just fight for the best coins, with the most potential. Read my post history and you'll see..

YOU ARE A JOKE..

Ignore the poster above he starts threads and deletes comments that he does not agree with. he is a typical loser pumping all the crap coins he has, he is pathetic everyone laughing at him.

What a joke you are, scam coins all the way with this loser.

You just pump and dump son. Pump all the crap coins that you promote, delete all posts you disagree with. Litecoin is number 2, will be for many years. The coins you promote will crash and burn, stop promoting them. Litecoin is where it is at, why do you fear Litecoin? Why do you delete posts promoting Litecoin, what do you fear! People know BTC and LTC are the only 2 that will succeed stop your FUD.

Your posts are meaningless. You are someone who self moderates threads with titles such as LITECOIN IS. DEAD - you delete posts that support Litecoin. Therefore you have an agenda, you are deceitful and as such your posts should not be trusted. You delete posts that show any negativity towards the coins you support, you delete posts that show support to other coins you do not support. You are a joke and the community should deem you as deceitful and untrustworthy.

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Look at DRK: 1483.11BTC traded

LTC - LTC - 30734.92BTC
BTC - 203646.4BTC
NXT - 516BTC ::)BTC

bytecoin because the developers have better understanding of the code than the monero devs because it was written by them.

Prime example: The recent update to lower RAM usage.

People that tell you to invest in monero is because they have invested in monero and would benefit more if you did the same.

@darkota - if you self moderate your thread - WHY IS LITECOIN DEAD as you keep doing i will post my replies in the threads you read:

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EVERYONE SHOULD PAY NO ATTENTION TO DARKOTA - HE IS JUST A PUMP AND DUMPER!


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What does bitcoin offer over LTC?

Acceptance by tens of thousands of stores, including Expedia, TigerDirect, Overstock, etc etc.


Litecoin, on the other hand, is not accepted at any official stores, not one. It's just another alt coin.

Whats up with DRK dump today?

https://i.imgur.com/xUMVArb.png

Did all those stores accept Bitcoin 6 months ago?

Patrick Byrne, CEO of Overstock is a big Crypto fan - he has already said he will accept Litecoin when they can.

http://thecoinfront.com/overstock-boss-hints-at-litecoin-adoption/

So if thats all Bitcoin has over Litecoin, I wont worry to much Wink

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1. Where can I buy $20k worth or DRK or NXT right now using USD or GBP.

2. Where can I spend these DRK and NXT?

All Bytecoin did was add in swapping to disk (check the github commit).

Here's the thing: your operating system already pages old data to disk to free up RAM, so they're literally doing what the OS does extremely fucking well but manually and poorly. There's no doubt that Monero will provide a solution that has substantially greater longevity and doesn't just re-do what is already done.

The Monero team also has an ongoing whitepaper annotation project, as the CryptoNote whitepaper and the Bytecoin code has not been peer reviewed by mathematicians and cryptographers. Do you know about that? They even publish their annotations as they progress: http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_annotated.pdf

I would be careful about deluding oneself into believing that the people behind a bad attempt at hiding a premine will give anything long-term value.

I like both and will probably be investing 50:50 into both. There's no denying that Bytecoin was there first and its devs are more familiar with the code than Monero's devs can ever hope to be, because they, ahem... wrote it. But I also like how Monero is less shady and more transparent and is starting afresh with a more inclusive community whereas Bytecoin has most of its coins mined and held by the early adopters in the deep web community that we don't know anything about. It could just be a small handful of people controlling 80 percent of the coin supply. This to me is the biggest reason why I'm not going 100 percent with Bytecoin because it means that everyone else is pretty much fighting over the twenty percent of the mineable coins that are still remaining plus if only a couple of the darknet whales decided to dump their coins, the value would surely drop.

For the heads up, Satoshi Nakamoto had many many flaws in Bitcoins code in the early days, it was Gavin who helped him make Bitcoin what it is today.

So actually, Gavin knows much more about Bitcoin than Satoshi does....

The same applies for Monero/Byte. The bytecoin devs didnt even have a proper cpu miner for the coin and their database was Fucked up. Monero devs cleaned it all up and the Bytecoin devs applied the updates to their own coin....

I wouldn't be surprised if 1 person owns 40% or more of all Bytecoin's in existence...since 80%+ was premined by a few individuals, which truthfully is more fucked up than's NXT's distribution..

Ignore DARKOTA he is a paid shill for DRK and NXT. His posts should be ignored. Look at his post history, pump and dump scam artist.

he is pretty stupid as well, seems like he know Satoshi too  ;D

Ignore his FUD

So many genius noobs.  That's when you know the Shibes have finally moved on from DRK to Monero.  Hype machine part 3!  ByteCoin + duckNote > Monero IMO (pussies)  :-*

Thanks for informing us. You convinced me to switch from Monero to ByteCoin + duckNote! I feel already much better now.

+1

sums it up pretty good

If you like premine coins go with bytecoin else monero

I'm not here to convince anyone.  Don't be so serious!

I think in the battle between Monero and Bytecoin, the  Bytecoin has advantage thanks to developers, because I saw how they used exactly the same codes (that were introduced in Bytecoin earlier). It describes them as masters of copy-paste. I consider this to be unacceptable and inappropriate

Whether it was an actual "premine" or not, 80% in the hands of few isn't exactly comforting. but I'm sure by now a good portion of XMR is owned by a select few people as well (probably not on as large a scale as BCN though...)

I get more profit from mining bytecoin, however, so be all means, pump the price.

That's the only thing he is able to do is FUDing BCN as well as XMR fans with no arguments at all.

Monero to the stars and beyond
Bytecoin? LOL gimme a break dude


~CfA~

Isn't it better to invest in different coins? As no one know what will happen to any of them?
I am really interested in Fantom coin - it's incomprehensible if MM is good or not?

btw, why did Honey Penny changed their name?

And why there is BitMonero and Monero ?

What's the point to change the name? it seems to be so devs wasted the time - better to spend time to improve the code

I'm not sure if you're trolling or naturally...you know.


A name change takes about 5 1/2 seconds to do....It doesnt effect spending time to improve code.

If the bitcoin devs wanted, they could literally spend 5 seconds, and change the bitcoin name in the QT Wallet and files, and wala, name change.

I am not trolling, I was trying to tell that every time there's some changes devs spend their time to think if there is necessity or not.
I faced with the people (my friends) who even dispute for a long time which name should they use for gadget so they are no more friends.


And, furthermore, changing name make people confused if it is the same coin or there are two diff coins.

Monero = Buggy copy of Bytecoin

ByteCoin = The original Cryptonote - 2 years, no premine (If you are too dumb to use Tor that is your problem)

which coin you choose is of course your decision.
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Bonsoir Monsieur Bagholder.

Trade Volumen:
BCN: $ 4,774
Monero: $ 113,873

why? Because nearly all coins are at a few people bagholding...
Give more out of your hands and the price will go down...

Strange, that only new accounts are hyping Bytecoin. ;)

I give my vote to Bytecoin. It’s not a mere BTC fork, BCN’s code is completely new (unlike Monero’s). BCN dev team really rocks by implementing cool innovative features and besides, their philosophy sounds right to me.
What the XMR crowd did is steal the coin right from the founding father’s arms (thankful-for-today), and they seem to keep stealing the code from BCN team as they're unable to write their own code that works.

Only New accounts hype Bytecoin, why? because their sockpuppet accounts from 1 or 2 Bytecoin bagholders....Sad.

BCN's devs recently screwed up Bytecoin and lost users a lot of coins, when they copy/pasted code from Monero and BoolBerry...

BCN's codebase is buggy and crappy as hell. I don't know what planet you're living on, they didnt even have a working Miner till monero devs made one For them Lmfao....

Not to mention, their 82% premine in the hands of a few individuals...

Monero would not even exist without Bytecoin.
Also darkota (whoever it is) is suspiciously concerned about Bytcoin.  :-\

Agreed mostly.. 
but every time I send a bitcoin am I stealing code from Satoshi ?   

I don't think so.  XMR and the rest of the clone army uses cryptonight code for what it was intended.  BCN authors are bright people and so they are happy about their code being used to secure people's TXs.   

The term is ninjamine.  Premines are visible on the block chain as premines.  Instamines are also visible on the block chain as massively rapid block additions.  Ninjamines are not visible on the block chain because they are hidden and made to look like normal mining when in reality it is just a few peeps on a darknet. 

+1

BCN devs, I would even say, are brilliant. What they've already done is amazing.
I also think that other devs are good and they are trying to do in all their might to improve their coins and , tbh, I am glad there is BCN forks because when several coins it force devs to work harder competing with each other.

Despite I am BCN fan I also admire other coins devs and not only CN-based coins.

Here http://bytecoin.org/happy-birthday-bytecoin is a message from Bytecoin team.
And here is my message to those who is trying to choose between Monero and Bytecoin (trolls can start doing their thing, i don't care):

Im not gonna tell who stole the code from whom and which developers are better and more qualified. I personally chose to stay with Bytecoin after making some research, but the last thing that helped me to make my choice was Bytecoin community.
When being a part of a community I need to know that people around me are united by a common goal and are always willing to help each other. Their interests do not include spreading fud about all possible competitors. Trolling is not their thing either. The main thing they care about is their community.

So that is why i chose Bytecoin and im enjoying it so far, can't even complain.

dream on

now are you serious, darkota?  :D

You think its a font size
COMPETITION ?

When people use large letters it indicates that he or she doesn't have any other arguments.

It's the same as when people think they are losing in disputing they begin to shout loudly.

So, don't pay attention to Darkota, even after it's was told he is Hessian

I hope there are no people dumb enough not to check darkota's story. Bytecoin has 50 commits on github, last commit has 800 lines of code added.

smart investors will not buy into a coin which has 80% of its supply now in the hands of few people.

Who said that? Any proofs? Or you can do nothing except screaming and pissing about?

Monero seems to have more volume on the exchanges.  Not knowing much about the backgrounds of the two coins I'd pick Monero on that basis as more trading suggests more users suggests greater viability.

Good Luck!

You know what else "smart investors" will never do? They will never invest their own money into the coin which is actually nothing but a copy of BCN.

And i also want to see some stuff which confirms your words about 80%.

You have a nice point of view my friend. But don't forget to check BCN stats, because it's awesome too.

That's why i chose BCN - guys from BCN community are quite polite and they do not act like a ten years old kids.

Welcome to the most sweet and warm community in the whole cryptocurrency world.

The community as warm, as global warming!
 By the way, awesomeness of users can push the currency exchange ratio much further

What's up? Nothing new here?

I can't see that XMR scams who are about to proof their "80% info". Does it mean that they have no arguments and our dicsussion can be closed?

Hail BCN

Thanks

Yeah i know. People's help will make our community more attractive and as they say... unity makes strength

Good try, darkota, but no one takes you seriously.
As soon as everybody has exposed you there is no fools who would believe in your words

Really? Would you mind taking a look at the Bytecoin Blockchain, then try and deny that it had a 80% premine.

Your own coin's blockchain is freaking proof of the premine genius.

Why bother convicing those Bytecoin fanatics when the evidence is in plain sight? They will find it out sooner or later.

In the meantime we buy Monero while it's still cheap 8)

Exactly. Go buy whatever you want, man! Just dont spread fud about other coins!

You clearly don't know what fud stands for.

One thing is for sure, the Bytecoin premine/secret mining for 2 years is undoubtedly certain.

Sorry im not using large fonts and bold letters, i don't think it is neccessary and hope you still get my message. When my opinion is different, im trying to express it in a nice way, withough calling other people idiots.

 We all know who i am talking about right now. I dont even feel like arguing with this person, because its all pointless. When trying to talk to him/her as a response you get some random statement in bold large font copypasted from somewhere + couple of insults.  

Seems like this forum was a better place when i registered here half a year ago. Or maybe i was missing out something. Anyway, dont feed the trolls.

Yep, that's why i like it  :D

This is a sophisticated analysis. Nice.

Monero doesn't even have a GUI wallet after 100 years...
Because all the Group's efforts are devoted to Cult Building and enforcing Cultic Purity.

And that means the Top Guys and Surrogates spend 100s of hours cruising coin forums...
DRAMA QUEENS spreading silly propaganda... and attacking ALL other anon coins...
In between 3 hour lunches and 6 week vacations on the French Riviera.

I've even received long messages from Monero Cult Enforcers... I must to be destroyed along with everything BCN.

Meanwhile, countless transfers have been lost due to the primitive 80s command line interface...
But, apparently, sometime in the future it will be possible to troubleshoot lost coins...
Maybe, but that's not important right now.

It will be poetic justice when CryptoNote proves to have a Fatal Flaw...
And something "good enough" like VTC Stealth Addresses become the anon standard.

Crypto is not meant for the gmaxwells of this world... Crypto is for ordinary people.

Bytecoin's 82% premine can be found on the blockchain, and has been verified by many Hero Members and Developers themselves.

If you want proof of the premine, look at the freaking Bytecoin Blockchain. The Blockchain records all activity and shows how a small group of people mined Bitcoin from 2012 to 2014, and mined over 150billion Bytecoins, which is over 80% of all Bytecoins since the total coin supply is 180billion.

Furthermore, the individuals premining Bytecoin purposely kept it secret, Bitcoin for example was shared on a messaging board with 10s of thousands of readers, Bytecoin was never shared on any boards to open it up to the public, making it's premine inexcusable.

Essentially, anyone mining Bytecoin(BCN) right now, is only mining the last 20%, while that small group of people has a 82% premine in their hands already.

Goodluck to all the idiots mining the last 15% of all Bytecoin, cause the other 82% was already premined![/b]

Bytecoin devs caused users to loose coins when they tried copy/pasting code from another coin's codebase..Bytecoin's dev are soooo prooofesional aren't they...(sarcasm)

So funny to hear BCN devs are incompetent after they've created the FIRST CN-BASED COIN!!!

They also were involved in creating CN technology according to CN developers.

I am so fed up with reading these shitty comments from darkota.

I prefer to read Adam Back's comments on tweeter. He was one of the first to keep his eye on Bytecoin and CryptoNote

Furthermore, BCN developers were involved in crypto currency world long before Bytecoin.
http://bitcoinbarbie.com/cryptonote-open-source-technology-concept/

The creator of Quazarcoin tried to relaunch Monero with the exact same name "Monero" because he didn't mine it from the launch.
Then there was a huge shitstorm and Quazarcoin was born...

The main argument I heard against it Bytecoin is it being premined, however, there’s no solid proof of that. Therefore it looks like idle talk

The proof is so obvious, so clear, so easy to verify even for a noob that you must be a troll or a sockpuppet account.

Nice try Bytecoin sockpuppet.

If everything was so obvious as you are telling than there wouldn't be any dispute.

http://bytecoiner.org/


First time ever we hear about Bytecoin was March 12, 2014
Over 85% was already mined.

http://i.snag.gy/qxO74.jpg


...and it is not an official announcement, Bytecoin has never been officially launched**.

Obvious scam is obvious.

EDIT : When I say officially launched, I mean a bitcointalk.org thread with a presentation of the cryptos and its devs.
If you mine it 100% alone, it has no value. If you mine it 85% and then talk about it, it is a ninja-mine.

Bytecoin officially runned in a tor website. http://www.reddit.com/r/BytecoinBCN/comments/26op3y/bytecoin_bcn_mysteries/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/BytecoinBCN/comments/26op3y/bytecoin_bcn_mysteries/)

If Bytecoin guys are too stupid or lazy to make an announcement then that's their problem. No one is gonna buy it. Stop crying and wetting yourself about it on here.  ::)

Boolberry Compared to Bytecoin/Monero
Benefits of Boolberry over Bytecoin and Monero:

 Blockchain-based PoW hash: unlike Bytecoin PoW hash, which works on 2MB scratchpad and takes avr 30-100 ms, new hash works on blockchain random data to provide operation speed. At the same time mining process is really memory-hard. It gives faster synchronization with network and immunity from DoS attacks.

Transaction outs with guaranteed anonymity. An additional attribute for out is added: it can ONLY be used in the transaction with mixin level in ring signature not less than a given number. The feature is added to ensure the user's anonymity of transactions ring signature over time.
    
Alerts (signed by developers) broadcast via p2p mechanism, which will inform participants of the network of critical updates or other important events
    
Donation-based crowdfunding: the project don't have premine, instamine or other unfair launch. The project has open and transparent model of project financing: part of the emission (1%) is reserved for the development of the project, BUT the rate of emission of these coins will be controled by network participants (miners) using votes. As a tribute to technology, we have fixed royalty percentage of donation, charged to the founders of CryptoNote.

 Removed dust from block reward - nice little thing to reduce weight of the blockchain transactions outs index.
    
Wallet addresses aliasing: any wallet can be linked with symbolic name via special type extra record in coinbase. Blockchain will control registered names uniqueness.
    
More rational emission curve
    
Transaction identification by prefix: this feature will let us to cut off ring signatures from blockchain that under checkpoint - save space by 30-70%(depends of mixin usage)[/li][/list]

Bool berry has one guy with a private guy miner making over 2,000 bool berry per day...he used to make 7,000 bool berry per day less than a month ago since bool berry uses the algorithm wild keccak instead of crypto night like miners and other crypto note coins.

Aka

Bool berry has been instamined heavily, they have a guy with a pgpu And botnets...

No thank you.

anyone that have any brains left would just disregard your posts. Please go spread some FUD elsewhere...

IGNORE DARKOTA  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7428414#msg7428414

Yeah, we all got it. But on the other side this thread would not even excist without darkota.
If darkota ever decides to give up trrolling i wiould even miss it. Kind of lol:D

This whole thing not gonna get us anywheere and has to be over.

Did trolls take a break?  :D

Monero and Fantomcoin, the rest of cryptonote coins are legit jokes.

I would think own a bit of both.

Oh, you gotta be joking then.

It looks like there's no money to pay for darkota  :D


Good decision. In case you don't want to loose your money its better to diversify your investments, so it's good decision to invest in different coins.

Thats an interesting logic there. We all know that Fantomcoin and Monero are Bytecoin's forks. So if we call Bytecoin a joke, Monero and Fantomcoin become forks of a joke which sounds absolutely unpresentable.  ;D

They won't believe you. they've just invented  the world where XMR is the best currency that can be, and everybody who do not agree with them are scams.

You read my mind, dude. Bytecoin has a better devs, better techs and better community.

Best. Joke. Ever!
I can't wait for his comeback. He is so funny! ^^

Read more about bytecoin and you'd see all its odds in compare with its forks.

BTW: None of Bytecoin's forks share Bytecoins problems. They do not have 82% premines...

hot discussion! I will support Bytecoin

to decide what coin is better, it is necessary to compare dev teams. Bytecoin developers have no rivals

I am supporting Monero.

Exactly.
I was also thinking: how somebody who in general did not develop anything can even be called a developer?

I don't quite get why there's a such a huge argument still going on between these coins, or why one has to be the 'chosen' one... i get there are grievances about the original forking by the monero devs but that aside, each is still powering on by its own merits right? whatever happens, happens - why can't people put their energies into things other than arguments?
Not that there's anything wrong with healthy competition, so the OP still stands in my opinion, but it seems everything gets too serious for the wrong reasons... i guess this has been said a thousand times before.

You're righ. But you know that feeling when you see SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET.
That's why this discussion will never end  ;D

  Well, I can't tell you about other users intentions but I can guess.
IMO, this dispute has begin when Monero's guys without any evidence begin to FUD Bytecoin in intention to promote their coin.

+1
Bytecoin was created by professors and there is a link to the universities on this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg7126913#msg7126913

One of the devs was working in CERN.  Maybe, CERN University was one of 7 teams that began mining BCN?

There is no CERN university. And even if they begun mining BCN their adoption doesnt seem so good.

As for the flower1024 account it is a bought account as it can be seen here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg7505638#msg7505638

There is this popular myth in the altcoin space that "forks" are inherently bad, which follows from the (correct) observation that most if not all bitcoin "forks" have been done as pump-and-dump scams.

But the underlying premise is false. If you understand the history of open source software, forks are both intended and desirable, and even necessary to maintain a balance of power between developers and the wider community. Specifically when the original developer goes in a direction the wider community does not support, then other developers are able to fork, and the community is able to move its support from the original to the fork.

This is exactly what happened with Bytecoin and the premine/ninjamine/whatever, trolling, sock puppet accounts, non-transparent history and developers, etc.

This kind of shady behavior was not supported or accepted by the community which is why nearly all support (as measured by hash rate, trading volume, thread views, or any other sensible metric) has shifted to Monero.

Bytecoin could have capitalized on its position as the first cryptonote coin and maintained a leadership position, but they blew it. They have no one to blame but themselves.

The difference between most open source software and altcoins is that when open source software is forked, the fork retains everything that the original had. Take OpenOffice and LibreOffice for example. An OpenOffice user had nothing to lose by switching to LibreOffice. Therefore the community benefits and everyone wins. When a coin is forked, everything is retained EXCEPT the original blockchain. When this blockchain dies, so do the investments of an entire community who believed in the old coin's success. If I were a Bytecoin investor, it would be in my best interests to see Monero die. If I were a Monero investor, the opposite would be true. If either coin becomes dominant over the other, the community wouldn't win. Rather, one community would win at the expense of the other.

This only means that the barrier to getting community support for a fork is higher, and when the community does support the fork, that is a stronger vote of "no confidence" in the original developer.

Anyone can fork anything, but no one can force the community to support the fork. That is up to the community.

If they did, so why they are still alive? Why people still use the Bytecoin? Why people trust BCN devs? I'm pretty sure that you have no answer for this question.

According to your words, Bytecoin is one of powerfull fork here, on the altcoin subforum.

In case you havent notice Bytecoin has almost 0 community. Half of the posters about bytecoin are paid accounts. And most comments on bytecoin thread are from people that support Monero including me. Volume is close to 0. Hell even duckcoin has bigger volume...

Even a poll-parrot spits a way more different phrases than you.

Are you sure?
I thought that this is the best proof of our community. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=667954.0
Even I have sended a contribution.

Ignore them. They are kinda blind. They learned couple of sentences and that's it. Don't waste your time - spend it with your family and friend. And keep being a BCN user. Because it's absolutely profitable

But thats exactly the reason why unfortunately Bytecoin fails. Nothing more. Maybe the lack of communication from devs too. But thats all someone needs to know in order not to invest in Bytecoin...



Is your post even serious? 15m Bytecoins is like nothing compared with 150b coins mined with 0 effort. Devs hold many many billions. And thats like 9 bitcoins if it doesnt lower the price with such small volume.

I did too! Twice!
I also have a question: If one does not like Bytecoinso much , why won't he stop spending time on Bytecoin forums?

well, they wanna know how №1 altcoin is doing. I checked monero thread couple times - saw nothing worth my attention.

I did too! Twice!
I also have a question: If one does not like Bytecoinso much , why won't he stop spending time on Bytecoin forums?

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One checks most threads in order to decide what is good or bad. Then he makes his choices. He doesnt rely on only 1 thread you see.

Oh and personally i havent posted in bytecoins thread for more than a month now since its not relevant any more...

No, nobody is blind here... What you see is pure marketing in action. Hope nobody gets it too seriously.

and after 3 years still remains the best answer

Yea but people seem to forget. 3 years later and the true crypto-currency Monero still isn't rising above all the others. It all started with the idea of creating an internet currency that is anonymous, now we have everything from company shares to assets, commodity-based coins, smart contracts, etc. All of that seems fine but the original purpose is clearly achieved by Monero and also by ZEC, ZCL, ZEN as well.

I like bytecoin

Trusted setup (like the 'Z-coins' need) is in total contradiction to the original idea, an abomination...

And bytecoin is a well proven scam... FFS, doesn't anybody do the smallest research anymore: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

I will choose the BCN because the community is very large and it is not owned by any company. The value of bcn is increasing day by day. Look forward to a bright future with bcn with cryptonote technology!

Edit: This is a Joke ;D! I very hate BCN because it is a big scam coin - One of the most inflationary currencies in Cryptonight, I choose XMR because it very fair and really project  ;)

You are buying into a scamcoin then.  The only reason BCN is worth so much (market cap) right now is, similarly to Ripple there are billions of BCN so if they rise a little the market cap goes berserk.

There are 184.47 billion BCN KNOWN ABOUT.  But there is a flaw discovered (and fixed in XMR code) by the monero team that would allow an exploit that would allow for coins to be created out of thin air.  Therefore there could literally be trillions of bytecoins currently and there is no real way to know.

You might luck out and get on a rocket, and off in time.  But you should at least know that this rocket is FOR SURE headed back to the earth and is going to crash hard hard hard.

Monero is a real, honest project.

He's an obvious troll. No one can be that stupid.

The only reason why BCN s worth as much as it is is that Poloniex withdrawals and deposits of BCN are disabled for few days already.  As soon as that will end, BCN will fall under 50 satoshi. or even back under 10

Yeah, this is just a joke for those who trust BCN, I always put faith in XMR, the first altcoin project that I joined after BTC, and now my profit has doubled in 3 months. In the future, I believe in a day not too far, XMR will increase 5 times the current value (a dream of a XMR fan haha)

XMR about to see another steep climb. Look at the chart history, huge pumps every two months. It would be a good move if you're feeling uneasy with BTC at 2.1k

i think monero is strong coin, even get pump and dump it is price not directly falling, investor and this coin's community still strong to made it survive in the market

Well I changed my mind about this!

Only own Monero now. Fluffy Pony's ICO sucked big time - I was expecting it to be fluffier and with more ponies. However Monero still has an excellent upside. Bytecoin - scam from the beginning. Sorry to have recommended it, but I'm sure you bandits all made out ok.

next few moneth BCN will overtake Monero...........BCN hold more vlue in long run .......monero is good but BCN is best ... :D :D

I would go with Monere as i allready have some ;D
Not sure bout the bytcoin future...
good luck

I like bytecoin.

I also bought Monero coins. Some analysts say that these coins have a future. Maybe they are right. This I will learn in a few months

monero

I like Monero. Monero was created for everyone and anyone with no specific marketplace or use in mind, other than its use as a fungible currency.

I would bet that these two will steadily grow in the future. XMR recently hit 220 USD and BCN is also on the rise

They're both good coins and hold stable price so for now personally I can't decide which one of the two but I prefer both of them will be my next Altcoin investment for my future.

They hold good prices although not the same value but Monero plays well than Bytecoin in my own personal interpretations.
Monero XMR is more popular than Bytecoin. But I prefer both of them as my next Altcoin investment. For me they're surely give me more return of investment.

Monero is the most secure and anonymous.

Don't forget that Bytecoin was compromised and it took time to resolve the issue.

I would go with Monere as i allready have some Gri
Not sure bout the bytcoin future...

I'll go with monero, monero has very lot of projects now. You can notice also that, the price of monero now pumps so fast. Compare to other months. Just look on the chart of monero compare to bytecoin. Monero is good for long term investment.

Monero has a huge community than the bytecoin although bytecoin has a good potential i would stick for monero for now.