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First, see this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg7273210#msg7273210

Then-

Ouch!

Sell NEM stakes??  :-[


SELL NEM STAKES!!!!!!  >:(

Price is down from 26900 to 19100 already

utopianfuture u seem like a complete asshole right now! really, shame on u >:(

RIP...
really sad for the other developers who did all the work for u

New Economic Movement, No Envy Movement... The person that thinks of such rediculous crapnames must be very limited in his capabilities.

The persons that actually buy that crap are even more limited.

Just buy Nxt.

@Come-from-above:

It's one thing to expose his actions (absolutely fine).
But it's another to deliberately hurt the entire project by opening this thread. Think about how much better you really think you are after what you're doing here.

Looks like you guys want to ruin this great project because of mistakes of one person. That is not right.

Wow @ this thread.

patmast3r, that account says "Come-from-Above". I highly doubt it's related to CfB.

uupps. Didn't mean to do that. I'll correct it.

I own several NEM stakes via Nxt AE.  This isn't about ruining a project, this is about exposing bullshit practices of the leader of NEM. 

Initially this seems shocking. However, after giving it more thought, I don't understand what the big deal is.

If it wasn't for him, NEM wouldn't exist. I think we can easily forgive him for wanting an extra stake.

NEM is a fantastic project, arguably the most promising cryptocurrency for 2014.

Just look at the client! The community! The features! PoI, encrypted messaging, eigentrust++ reputation system, asset exchange, one-click install client... the list goes on.

The thing is, people love a good conspiracy. This thread is obviously just an over-excited attempt to get views and replies. Let me make that clear:

This thread is nothing but a puerile attack against NEM so OP can get a buzz.

Let's all deal with this sensibly as adults. Utopianfuture is just human.

How is owning more than one stake a 'bullshit practice'? It's been known since the start that developers and people who help NEM out would get extra stakes. You just said yourself that you own several stakes. Is that a 'bullshit practice' now?

just look what is in first 2 posts, they refers to NEM not to UP, this is clearly attack on NEM.

He gets multiple stakes anyway as a dev/participant. But he took "extra" multiple stakes... He said everything will be 100% transparent.

Jep this thread is not really necessary but still it's very disappointing. I just sold my 1.3 stakes and will rebuy when things are clarified...

Lets be clear about where we stand:

We have the great devs, we have the technology, we have the community. So the only problem is with what we have found out about UP.

Although he founded the project and contributed enormously, what he did is wrong.

This is what we have, there is no other problem at all, so lets not make something more about it.

We will solve the problems and make things right.

i didnt post this to attack Nem.
i posted it to show that utopianfuture doesnt live up to his own maxime. the QUINTESSENCE of Nem
its just entire hypocrite!

the big Question now is:
will utopianfuture consequently removed from the project?

he is NOT FAIR
he has no place in NEM

if the community does not kick him and all his subaccounts out, then NEM will always be ridiculed much more then nxt obviously. a no go poison for the project

People here didn't really believe the whole fairness thing did they?

The great thing about Communism and Egalitarianism is the rules don't count for those in charge.



I got 10 NEM accounts to show NEM for what it is, a joke.


Everyone buy NXT or Qora, the only decently run new projects we have. 

Could you please just fuck off?

You are trying hard to promote Qora but actually you are destroying it.

me, on my own saying factual things about a very good system is going to destroy it. Thanks for the compliment but I'm just one man

I think the subject here is how NEM is about to be destroyed. At least its ethos has been proven to be hypocritical.

You can't argue with facts in the end.

You are confusing me with scammers who talk shit all day on here on shitcoin threads with no facts. I can see you aren't invested in tons of coins. I'm only invested in Bitcoin and Qora. Fact.

I sold all my NXT holdings because that sums up 90% of the NXT community.

I once had a problem with a largish NXT transaction being stuck on a blockchain.  I went to one of the top 3 (2?) sites asking about it.  No help, but my posts ended up being editted heavily.

I have more stories, but basically **** NXT.  There are obviously good guys just like in all communities, but NXT takes the cake for having the most aholes/scumbags in charge.

You talking nonsense, Qora itself have many problems and NEM aint the same as UP....

Welcome to my ignore list...

dwma, that's interesting! My humble experience is the exact opposite of yours.

This is about NEM dipshit!

Make sure you press the ignore button properly. I would to hate to have to listen to you again. Qora has problems? Sharexcoin ran off with peoples money, and there was a fork due to the newness of the network. Saying there is loads of problems is not factual. Period.

Typical new code ironing out, just like NXT had and Bitcoin had. fact

Hey if you are looking to buy NXT or contribute to the community it will be 100% different. 

Ask WTF is going on with your money... Or other dealings and you'll meet the scumbags. 

Lets not drift into other coins. I admit I mentioned them as comparison and maybe started it.

The NEM issue is far juicer right now.

How damaging is this?

VOTE

remove or not to remove the leader utopianfuture

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649927.0

Either way NEM is dead IMO.

well i say vote. after all this is a community. UP is just one person. the former leader

if the dev team realize hes just using them as slaves they will kick him out. otherwise theyd be somewhat stupid

if true all get good coin simple no fud can kill NEM...
NXT and Quora can BARK ALL DAY :D

where is NXT QORA bark? all i see was embarrasing and face-loosing act of utopianfuture here which is whats solely discussed obviously

i prsonlly have only nxt because bought nem stake on nxt ae, thats all. i dont care about qora

in every coin thread word dead is once per 2weeks spammed...
let NEM deliver promisses i wait for it ...

+1000

Until today NEM was good promises and hot air. Now, it is turning its face to the "scam side" dangerously.

alpha is still on route as sheduled. This is no scam. Unless I was delusional those last weeks.

NEM is as much a scam as NXT is. 

imagine it would be a scam after all. LOL. i do NOT think so. Nem itself is not a scam and it has good development. at least thats what i think. THINK that is. Not KNOW. nobody knows except those deeply involved in the code. the only obviously scamming person until now is utopianfuture which is why he should or must be excluded from the project for the sake of the project itself

we all know this and so do u patmaster. u are just afraid of utopianfuture kicking ur ass like all those who fear him in the Nem community. be true to urself my friend. ur a good guy. do not let urself be used by someone who is lying to u

I'm not afraid at all. If push comes to shove we could start all over again. The devs are still on baord and the community seems to be - at least in part - still behind the project.

I may not be part of the core team but I do think that i'm rather involved in the NEM development.

Unless people have been orchestrating false discussion on trello and irc...
Unless people have invested insane amounts of time building fake software that i tested...
Unless I'm hallucinating...

...NEM is not a scam.

@Come-from-Above

You say you hold NEM stakes, but your persistent negative posts are causing more harm than good for NEM. I don't understand what you hope to gain.

You are forgetting why UP started NEM in the first place. The concept of fairness, which is stupid but hey people believed that false truth about distribution that 1000 people is fairer than 30.

Let me remind you the first couple of months was UP obsessively routing out sockpuppet accounts.

I don't see how NEM can recover any credibility at this stage. Sure it can do ok, but become great...forget about it.

The positive side is that people didn't buy in big before a big crash. There would of been tears.

By the way I have over 10 NEM stakes, im not ashamed to say cause I think the fairness thing is a joke, always has been.

i understand ur point mate. i hope to clean this project of people who betray us and thus me

i want a clean and successful NEM like we all do. not a "fake fair" Nem.

Nem needs the overhaul. CLEARLY

UP is a hypocrite, liar and using us all as his slaves on his road to financial freedom. PLEASE REALIZE THIS. its the unfortunate truth which shocks me utterly

Everyone who thinks 1000 stakes is fairer than 30 like NXT is fake fair and just as much as a hypocrite as UP and is lying about the maths of NEM's fairness to themselves and others.

We have already shown you people a hundred times your lack of logic about spreading wealth to 1000 or 30 it makes no difference if you hope to make a currency used by millions of people later.

This is just a karma way of showing how hypocritical NEM at its core is.

maybe you didn't realize what you have done, but you have killed NEM.

You can't clean a turd

Why are you calling all of us slaves? How did UP actually enslaved you or me? Sell your stakes and be done with the slavery! Please sell them to me cheaply! :-D

UP is posting a statement to address all the claims now, writing atm!

You are starting to sound like the self righteous UP attacking others for unfairness.

Didn't you guys ever read Animal Farm in school?

i personally think UP is a parasite with no skills whatsoever other than writing, announcing and managing his puppets including the former me

Get on the Qora train and don't look back. The developer is integrity itself.

Only 3 persons posting here over and over the same things. Piss Off. Especially gorilla-troll.


SO lets let UP come to a word.
Say you are sorry for that, you are just a human which made a mistake. Spend your 2 stakes for the good. And move the fuck on.

Jesus like kiddies realizing that Santa Claus is their daddy.

Gorillajam - well chosen nickname. Gorilla.

Fuck off with the troll shit. Quote form you a few days ago on the NEM thread, your the troll not me:


"That sounds awesome.
Sounds like we are already in front of Qora ;-)"


Welcome to my ignore list.

internet tough guy.

Biggest forum troll. Nobody takes you for real. Just shut up and go back to your Qora-trash thread.

Bye!

So your account is not even a month old, but you have 10 other accounts you have sock puppets under?  Thats a common tactic amongst the FUDDers, claim to have numerous NEM stakes.

dwma just for ur information mate, I am not related with gorrilajam.I dont even know him.

this thread is mine solely mine. thank u

It isn't a question of being fair.  It is just superior.

I created a new currency and 5 people had it.
You created a new currency and 1000 people had it.

Which would be superior, everything else considered being equal ?

The answer -

5 would be superior because you can manipulate the market.
1000 would be superior if you wanted to use it as an actual currency.

NEM creators have been messaging plenty people within bitcointalk to support and invest in the coin when its finally released.

When it's released whether its terrible or fantastic people will make it out to be the second coming, just don't get caught up in the fake hype with everyone cheer leading the coin on
and singing Kumbaya praises at NEM on this cesspit section on btctalk called the altcoin sub section. ;)

3 guys organazing FUD. :D :D, this thread is joke.

No I created sockpuppets to get more stakes. Do you think I was the only one?  ;D

I felt no shame cause NEM was just a clone project with a false concept of fairness behind it. I hated the fact it attacked NXT so hard on false reasons.  I don't use them for posting.

The reason i'm excited is this shows UP for what is always was. Plus it makes my investment in Qora the legit competitor to NXT look more attractive by the minute.


You guys are upset cause your NEM stakes are diving. That's conflict of interest guys. Why should I respect your opinions?


FUD is all about sowing false truths, tell me did I say something untrue.

NEM really is in serious trouble from this, tell me that's not the case?

hahahaha

This has to be the best thing I have read in a long time. Cheers to you m8.

So true so true.

Just put a stop to this nonsense.

NEM is not in "serious trouble".  It was one guy who got caught doing something dirty.  NEM isn't a clone project anymore than any other crypto currency.  It actually isn't cloning/forking anything.

You just say random crap.  It has a wide range of supporters.  Possibly more than NXT.  I've never heard of Qora so I can't comment on that.  Obviously it isn't a very big deal.

There is no "conflict of interest" because NEM stakes are diving.  That doesn't even make sense.  You're a nonsensical troll and anyone would have to be a fool to read closely anything you type.

Actually that's proven to be false. When you have a small amount of large holders you are more likely to see like you did with NXT some heavy distribution selling. NEM actually will have the problem that mainly people have already decided its worth a certain amount and will hold it till it gets to that point.

The superiority is negligible actually, that's the maths I tired to talk about. its like 0.000001% of people get it rather than 0.00000002% Its a falsehood which should be shown up as so. When people argue for it in any big way its shows they are either unable to use a calculator or are hanging onto a false fact in an insincere way.

Certainly slapping fair distribution/egalatarian cross the coin as a selling point is plain wrong. I'm getting called out as a troll but actually what I'm saying is way more sincere and truthful than those attacking me. facts are facts.


I confess i have a certain amount of joy at seeing UP fail in this certain way as a critic of the fairness doctrine. But I do think its deserved. Once you set yourself up as righteous on a certain issue you got to take the flack when you are proven as a hypocrite.

I'm calling you out on what you are saying. One guy? You mean the leader the entire project was founded and controlled by and whose ethos of fairness was the driving force of it even existing. He acted like a little Stalin from he start. He got what he deserved, he has been revealed.

I didn't say NEM doesn't have supporters? Popularity is no sign of something being good.


So how can you call me nonsensical? That's means making no sense. Please highlight a fact that is not true?


You honestly telling me NEM is not is some trouble from this?


The fact you don't know Qora and you saying it obviously isn't a big deal when its the only new source code coin since NXT I just got to laugh honestly.

You are hurt, you feel let down and disappointed but attacking others is dumb when you could recover your situation but buying quality like Qora.  ;D


Seriously I wont come back. NEM is done, only an idiot would think otherwise. Can it be ok and maybe get into the top 20, maybe. Will it ever take on NXT or be in the top 5. NO FUCKING WAY MY FRIENDS!!

I can agree about your problems with UP, but the rest of your post is rubbish.  You've put forward no reasoning in your post.

According to you - Having a handful of initial stakeholders is just as good for a currency because they can sell their stake.  ROFL.  Ok.  What logic.  

In the real world, where things are dictated by reality, having a currency with far more people will be superior because it already has a large adoption from the start.  (What good is a currency with a handful of people who trade in it?)  More initial stakeholders also means a larger support structure.  For those who bought their NEM stakes during IPO, they won't be so attached them because they didn't have to pay some sort of market rate from the original handful of sellers.  You don't see people giving out NXT like DOGE.  Hrmmmm wonder why.

Shame on UP, but it doesn't mean anything he said is rubbish.  He was caught with his hands in the cookie jar and NEM is going to have to find a way to move on.

I don't need logic on distribution we have real world example and common sense. NXT was massively distributed early on, it has a similar distribution now of Bitrcoin, thats a fact. People have analysed this and shown it, please search for it on the forum.

So please can you respect me enough to admit im only saying facts. Disagree but don't say im spreading nonsense.


I got to go, please dont keep replying to me, I feel seedy just being on this thread.  ;D

I'll leave you NEMers to lick your wounds.

"NXT was massively distributed early on and now has distribution similar to Bitcoin."

ROFL.

my sides are hurting bro.  Oh man stop it plz yer killin me.

I've read well written articles/posts on NXT distribution.  It definitely grew from the initial small group,  but lol @ now comparing it to BTC.

BTC has more users as NXT, but the repartition is better in NXT. Repartition is a proportion.

But NEM is nothing for now. It's only marketing, words, NXTstake assets on NXT.

NXT has more stake holders actualy as NEM "virtual" stake holders.

You are stupid. Satoshi is known to have 20% of Bitcoin.

dwma, you should shut your mouth about NXT.

I can proof you that NXT has better distro than BTC.

I agree more or less about NEM.  It isn't "nothing" by any stretch, but it still is not a working currency.

However, I find it very hard to believe that NXT has a better distribution.  I'd like to see your definition of "repartition".  I am most incredulous simply because I know lots of people with some amount of BTC, but I can't say I know 1 person with NXT.  I myself may reacquire some NXT, but at the moment I hold none.  Just trying to figure out how anyone can claim the distribution of NXT is better than BTC.   Taken at face value, the claim seems absurd.

On its face, how could it be true?  NXT hasn't been around that long.  NXT doesn't have many services.  BTC is all over the place.  Who would these people who own NXT be?!?!?!??!

It all sounds like lies to me.  Why research something that is an absurdity.  

I can use BTC in numerous places in my city.  I don't think anyone accepts NXT.  BTC is on Bloomberg tickers now.  Where are NXT conferences?  Where are NXT meetups ?

This is why I despise NXT.  It is all bullshit artists.

If by distribution you mean something like ..  "a better distribution is measured by the largest account holder's equity vs the marketcap" then you guys have a point.  That is the ONLY way it could be true, because yes there is that huge account from Satoshi sitting there with a small fortune.  Otherwise it is absurdity.  In absolute numbers of currency holders, I'd bet my life more people own some amount of BTC than NXT. 

YOu can say nonsensical stuff and call it 'plain numbers' but that doesn't mean it isn't nonsensical.

What is your definition of distribution?  I editted my previous post to come up with the *one* definition where you guys wouldn't be talking out your ***.

Distribution has more than one factor. The truth is their are some people that literly have billions of dollars worth of bitcoin, Satoshi for one. While even the top NXT whales only have a few million dollars. After a handful of big holders you quickly get down to quite modest holders even in the top 100 accounts.


http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=30&switch=1

Jesus, Qora is not a competitor to NXT and it never will be.
BCNXT isnot Qora.

It is just a normal coin with huge problems.

And gorilla is just a fucking troll

Its a second gen coin with a new code. There are only a few actual new codes in existence that don't rely on other sources. So of course you are wrong unless you want to say something else stupid.

Qora is the same as NXT, you can at least put it in the same category. If it beats NXT or not is open of course. But it can hold its own against NXT.


Calling people a troll even even if they are saying the truth is pretty old. Its like the guys calling everything a scam.

From the leader

Politician speak, no real remorse.

And NEM can get out of this unpleasant situation stronger than before. But  only if it makes the right moves/choices how to handle this. This is move in the right direction I believe

yes! lets all endorse unfairness and hoax tactics!

that,s the true man,thats's the true.

old NEM thread closed, new non-selfmoderated thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.0

I looks like the old NEM thread was locked before I could post my response. In any event, these are my thoughts:

I'm saddened and disappointed by what has happened today. There is no excuse for what utopianfuture did. It's unprofessional to bash another coin anonymously using sockpuppet accounts. It's worse that those same sockpuppet accounts were used to sign up for NEM stakes because that goes directly against NEM's fair distribution principle.

Having said all that, I would like to thank utopianfuture for what he has done for NEM up until now. Without utopianfuture, NEM wouldn't exist. He conceived of the idea and recruited a lot of the core dev team, including myself. He has also done a number of things behind the scenes, including paying some out-of-pocket costs (in fiat).

I've heard from a plurality of the core dev team and they mostly share this sentiment. I'm sure I will hear from the rest of the team at some point over the weekend. But, aside from a lot of extra gossip, this transgression shouldn't impact the development of NEM. utopianfuture is not a developer and has not written a single line of code.

I'm hopeful that NEM will emerge from this situation even stronger. NEM was always built around decentralization and fairness and having a single "leader" is really diametrically opposed to that. NEM needs to have a community, not a leader.

As for myself, can you trust me? That's up to you to decide, but I will share a few things:

1. I've never heard of simcoin.
2. I'm to busy coding to have sockpuppet account.
3. I don't have a multiple personality disorder.

Let's try to move forward instead of living in the past. The open alpha is less than two weeks away!

P.S. The core dev team will be reaching out to the community to find someone to lead the marketing and biz-dev of NEM going forward. Understandably, we want to spend most of our time coding until NEM is ready.

P.P.S. I will be on the #ournem IRC channel for the next half hour if anyone has questions for me.

The comment about being excited about the alpha was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I don't blame people for being upset. I, myself, am disappointed.

I didn't notice what utopianfuture did because I was too busy coding. I trusted him and others to do the taint analysis. Maybe I misplaced my trust.

This is a Great Post. I Trust you.

Those accounts were used to register stakes but they were later taken off the list.  UtopianFuture was only padding up interest, at the very beginning, a common marketing technique on Bitcointalk but not completely ethical.  How did you know Satoshi didn't create a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009?  

Utopian padding up fake interest in the beginning doesn't change the fact we have outstanding developers such as Jagaur.


I feel that's not the real issue here.  The real issue is this Call from Above person who irrationally wants to discredit NEM due to some vendetta towards UtopianFuture.  Maybe CFA is a 'tard or a sockpuppet from the Sim Coin community, I don't particularly care but what I do care about are his irritable posts and the fact he has created five spam threads about NEM so far.  

Why is it only one person who is running a crusade against NEM?

This is why IPO coins are all scams.

Awesome! I really like how this situation is handled!

If you need any help with something, feel free to PM me!

Come on
There is no scandal
Why a dev get only one stake like everyone
Utopian can have more stakes it is not a scandal it's normal he's working a lot for NEM

Hey Utopian if you want to dump some cheap steak contact me  ;)

All coins have a good portion of unethical behaviour, that is because the "human" is not a selfless creature. Selfintrest lies in our genes. As long as persons will be in charge and given too much power, corruption and wrongdoing will happen.

Don't blame IPO coins per-se. Not fair!

Why do you keep defending UF? He admitted he messed up, why do you persist in trying to tell us otherwise? What good does it do to skew reality any further at this point?

You didn't follow NEM, but what happend is, that he was promissed multiple stakes anyway, but he claimed even more in the beginning. That isn't even the problem, he didn't told anyone, that is.

I am expressively addressing your claim that he somehow scammed people, when did not.  Nobody lost their money, NEM or tokens.  All that occurred was popularity hoaxing, which is a common marketing technique employed by new coins and even real world products & companies.  Is it ethical?  No.  Is it everyday reality much like we breathe oxygen?  Yes.

Maybe for you. Maybe you live in a world where decaying ethics reign supreme over truth and honesty. I don't.

OF COURSE UF SCAMMED PEOPLE!!!!! He LIED about his own activities, about the nature of the distribution, about his intentions... FOR MONTHS!!!!!

STOP PRETENDING THIS IS DECENT, ORDINARY HUMAN BEHAVIOR!

IT IS NOT!!

You just want to drag the rest of civilization down into the low moral crevasse that you inhabit. Cut it out.

This is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not let emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650337

And to think all the NEM Fanboys got their panties all wrinkled when I dared question UF's motives in delaying the initial launch of the NEMstake.

nem 作者自己开小号到处查小号为彰显公平，估计作者开发不出来了，已经在nxt的ae上出货完了。 8)

当婊子立牌坊。

You don't get it.
If Utopian want more and claim it public, that's okay.
But he chose using a sockpuppet to get more, that's the problem. Because it against the rule he set it himself.
No body know how many sockpuppet he really have.
And also body know how many sockpuppet his team really have.

This is just another way to spread the coins.

What IPO scam?  Most people bought their NEM stake between $5 to $50 and currently hold stake worth $1000 - $1500.  People everyday on this forum lose 100s, 1000s and 10,000s to real IPO scams.

Only thing UtopianFuture did was pad fake popularity back in January (those accounts he made were later taken off the list).  Nowhere as bad as it sounds.  Every new coin / project has sockpuppets advertising it.  You have to, since this forum moves so far and obscure coins go to page 5 within hours.

Please watch what you are saying and protecting. You appear to be the most vocal protecting the image of UP. I am not saying you cannot, but it doesn't give me comfort to know that one is fighting so much in the crowd for the causes of UP. Fact is, he did something that was wrong in the first place and we should not even defend that anymore, unless one also a a finger in the pie.

This is all water under the bridge and need no more discussions about. We should just continue moving along. The more we talk the more ugly discussions will shape up to be.

In any case, this is not a thread to continue all discussions about NEM as it has too much emotions in it. Let's not allow emotions cloud our mind. I have taken the liberty to start a new thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650337

Come to the forum once a while and have a treat today. I have a question for you though. Do you know how many socks/ money BCnext, Qora, Sim, NxtLite developers are puting in their IPO ? No one knows and they are all the same and I believe that is problem with IPO model, especially one with very few investors like Nxt and Qora. In these cases, I consider as given that the dev. has at least 30% of the total coin.

He said he does not profit from any sock account. Take it for what it is worth becasue it is bloody hard to create 1000 sock puppet accounts.

The Easiest way to make money...
PLAY SCAM!!!!  :D  :D  :D  :D

Not protecting his image.  Protecting his actions.  Have you tried starting a coin on this website?  Your coin on the announce section goes from page 1 to page 20, unless you bump it with sockpuppets like UtopianFuture did until NEM gained a community.

If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat.   You can argue what he did was dishonest but there are far worse crimes in crypto currencies, NxT's distribution and all the IPO scams are indicative of such.

There was a poll thread and close to under 50% was in favour of keeping UtopianFuture on.   You may claim I am the most vocal but I am vocalizing for the silent big minority.  So UtopianFuture padded NEM with fake popularity for awhile?  Who cares.. what I care is that NEM has the best distribution of 3000 stakeholders, with taint analysis, and PoI innovation.

even if true, who knew people act in self interest, and its not like NXT did not cut's its IPO mysteriously short, so what the product is out and stands apart from that.

I add though UTF's error was not the sock puppet but the incompetence in not being able to manage the sock puppet account.

Protecting his actions? What for? He is history. Start a coin from page 1 to page 20? Which one? You got proof to say so? I'd like to see that.

"If it were my coin / project I would had done the same thing in a heart beat..."

The very basis of that statement above made by you makes me doubt your integrity in the first place. And please do not claim to speak for the silent majority if you have nothing to proof so. We live in a world of facts and figures to convince one another. Making statements like that make one feel that you are perhaps UP.

I rest my case, as I do not wish to be embroiled in this and as I said earlier, I don't wish to let emotions get the better of us. Whatever you are doing
now is not going to do good for the community. Really I am  not sure whether you care about NEM moving forward as I don't see any relevance now in as far as what you are trying to say to the crowd.

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UP = I am sorry. I messed up.  I quite. 

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Just words shouldn't be enough. I don't want UP to be totally out, but his developer shares should be cut in half.

Yes. Shame on him. He is irredeemable in my eyes. But more importantly, shame on you and TwinWinNerD. It's a good thing and a service to the community to out a coward and a enormous hypocrite, but it is another equally despicable and morally reprehensible act to deride and debase an entire community whos membership is, by large majority, based in earnestness and respectabilty as much as any other on this site or elsewhere. Shame on you and your hostility and self-interest, which I am sure the larger bitcointalk community will come to judge as equally reprehensible to the actions of UtopianFuture.

I'm going to echo jaguar0625 on this, in my own words:

To the NEM 'community' :
Stop whining about needing a f**king leader, man up, and get working on rescuing NEM from this clusterfuck.
You are supposed to be an egalitarian, fair and equal project, but all I see are a bunch of kids looking for a new babysitter.
No-one is going to rescue you, if you won't do it yourself.

The very title of this thread pisses me off; "NEM's leader....."
You shouldn't need a leader, a strong community is what will get results.

I suggest that the first thing someone does is to find out exactly what UP did with sockpuppets and stakes....I've seen a lot of accusations and not very much evidence.
Does he have one stake-holding sock-puppet or 20 ?
Until you know the extent of the damage, you can't fix it.

You didn't actually contribute anything to the solution of the problem, but pointed out the obvious, yet again. So thanks for that and goodnight.

If some/many of you guys got a few nemstakes with sockpuppet accounts, why can't he get a few nemstakes? You don't really believe you're better than him, do you? :D

This

I believe I'm better than him and I have some sock puppet accounts. I just never believe the egalitarian junk.

Its ridiculous how much people now care about sockpuppets. Even if every 2nd stake would be a sockpuppet, its still excellent distribution. And now the sockpuppet... Even the sockpuppet did take some initial risk and investment. Most IPO failed at bitcointalk with 0 return. Why do you not complain about sockpuppets investing in any of these failed IPO? I dont agree with some things fully however everybody with IQ over 60 must have realized that its IMPOSSIBLE to prevent someone with few accounts made in right time to buy some stakes. There are some rules of game and it depends on people here how they will play. Every game has it gaps and weakspots and you can be a bugger and abuse it if you are "smarter" than the rules. But... its not about NEM or another project, its all about human being. People are naturally greedy.
There is a way how to prevent it - but it wont never fully work. Send personal ID with registration? Hmm you can copy many IDs of your neighbors. Everything may be bypassed.

I think its absolutelly correct that the guy retired, this is adequate reaction. He failed, so he retired. Thing solved. The rest is only about things which are inpreventable and normal in every project. Everywhere are people with informations having them earlier than the others. And knowing how to behave. EVERYWHERE. NEM is humans project not project of entities better than humans and better behaving than humans.

Many interesting comments have been sent during the last night. Few thoughts based on those.

utopianfuture's deed was not so dirty as some famous persons' in real life. And those people didn't resign. By resigning utopianfuture increased the level of trust to the NEM community.

There will be newcomers to NEM and they may ask, can NEM be trusted.
The current NEM-haters will say "NO". Then the question is how the current NEM-supporters can assure the newcomers?
Is it enough to have utopianfuture's explanation and core team's comments? No. There is needed the working servers and clients. When the NEM coin is running, everybody understand that utopianfuture's deed was just a human mistake and it didn't affect to NEM.

Also then can be evaluated Come-f-a's accusations, which already have been raising to astronomical yards  ;D  and his real identity, which he keeps advertising and hinting with certain writing styles and by saying he has been in the NEM project. Has been in the NEM project and now tries to destroy it? I'd think twice when hiring such a guy in my projects.

Absolutely agree.

I think come-from-above is a founder member of NXT called come-from-beyond which explains his 100+ bashing posts. I could be wrong but ..

come-from-above is not on the stakeholders list, but he says he is a stakeholder and come-from-beyond is on the list.

Also from an early come-from-above post ....
Hi dudes.

Come-from-Above MIA

Pardon?

Come-from-Behind
Come-from-Beyond
Come-from-Below
Come-from-Above

fragout, I can say with certainty that Come-from-Above is not CfB. It is not his style at all.

CfB never expressed anything negative toward NEM. Also see one of his latest tweets: https://twitter.com/comefrombeyond/status/477172691108397056

Come from Beyond is a great guy and i dont expect anything like this from him, im sure he is not using this socketpuppet account. He also supports NEM  ;)

Ok guys. looks like i got it wrong then. sry cfb

Its a conspiracy if it would true then NEM starts to be a serious rival of NXT while NXT trust of initial stakeholders is holding still most of NXT coins. So some of them may behave hostile to NEM because NEM has a big potential to threaten the NXT. And the most hated should logically be the founder of NEM project. They were waiting while people started buying stakes because it made NXT price growing. Now people are almost cashing out NXTs. This is not my theory, this is a theory of my job collegue but it seems to be working. So now has come the best time to start a tongue-offensive.

EDIT: IT seems that CfA explained the situation in many other threads. These ideas seem to be wrong also.

hvezdasmrti, you obviously don't follow the NXT community much. ;) Please come over to the NXT forums and you will see that most people have nothing against NEM. Neither have I heard that NEM's core team has anything against Nxt in particular.

NEM can not be a rival to Nxt at this point at all (as NXT is established after 7 months of great development and $76M market cap). NEM's alpha is not even launched and its stakes are traded solely on Nxt AE, please don't forget this.

This is a little girl thought....

My stake gonna be claimd just at the right momment.

Who wants to sell... fell free to do so.

This is the momment we have to be togheter. All people who coudnt buy a stake will attack now.

If one person can put NEM to ashes... this coin will never be 2015's best coin.

Where is the official nem thread??

Now you can follow this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.0

You do realize that UP, Jaguar, BloodyRookie, gimre all had some involvement with Nxt and most Nxt users knew about Nem project immediately and are stakeholders?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404321.0

Plus it's on Nxt AE so some Nxt whales bought even more stakes (some of them have over 10 stakes now).

There is absolutely no interest for them to see Nem fail as that would mean losing potential profits.

Nxt early stakeholders already made hundreds of thousands (if not millions). You gain absolutely nothing by showing jealousy towards them because that game is over.  They made their money already.

Hi NEM community!

As I understand-this is new address of NEM thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.0

Cheers



P.S I joined NEM about it's beggining, and i saw UP is working hard for NEM.

no matter what, i really think that UP contributes a lot to NEM.

without his work, NEW cant get this far !

so, guys, calm down, dont panic and dont spread panic.

Some devs take 20% of their shares, there is no scandal if they specify at the beginning
The problem is
Nem devs have not announced they were taking X amount of stake
They tried to be fair and then to ninja sock puppet like a lot of people here
This is idiot
Anyway i'm not surprised
IPO system is safer

How the hell could NXT set up NEM's 'leader' to be revealed in this way?
You are really heading into black helicopter world with that one.
In case you hadn't noticed, btw, nearly every single NEM stakeholder with an active BTT account is also a NXT'er.
NXT is at #3 right now, we want Litecoin, not NEM.
Personally, I liked NEM, as did the majority of NXT'ers, and I was looking forwrd to seeing how the NEM project worked out.

I hope that you guys can come up with a rescue plan, and I repeat: first get some hard info about exactly how many stakes UP reserved for himself, then figure out how to remove those tainted stakes. Until you can do that in an open way....no-one is going to trust NEM.   

Thanks for explanations, as i declared, the theory seems to be wrong. And yeah, litecoin is a good thing to be shot down, too valuable for so low innovations and merits, if NXT gets LTC and NEM will settle up the third place everyone will be satisfied  :) :)

LOL, you people are even responding to come from above and shroomsky's posts? haha, those 2 are some of the biggest idiots of this forum, and their intentions are very clear.

Utopian did a mistake and he stepped off. (although mistakes are not even that big)

NEM is 2nd best crypto 2.0 that will happen to cryptocurrency in foreseeable future. (and no, NXT is not the first one, its 4th-5th).

So no fears, this accident will go away soon, what matters is technology and community.

All UF did was spam sockpuppets to promote NEM back in January.  UF only kept 1 sock for a second stake, which is legal if it's for someone else.  Taint analysis removed hundreds of sockpuppet stakes.

BCnext and Satoshi had conversations with themselves, in the beginning, to drum up popularity.  Seems fitting UF would name his sock "ghosthouse".  UtopianFuture, Satoshi and BCnext may as well be the same person.

NEM never had an IPO.  It was a call for participation where most people paid $5 to $40 and it has a very fair distribution, unlike NxT's IPO whales and all the other $hitcoins out there.

UF resigning had no impact on the price of NEM, historic low was 17K and it's currently above 20.

The people who think UF committed murder are all NxTers who fear NEM.

Blaming Satoshi and BCNext for the obvious  faults of Nem Leadership more than low. This puts Nem in such a ridiculous light now. You are a shame to us all. I liked NEM until I read your junk

ps Next raised 21 peanuts in comparison with the huge amounts of nxt+btc of Nem so Plz dont cause hyperlaughter

Also utopianfuture is BCNext is Satoshi? Dont fricking make me vomit dude, affkjdkdjdjdjd

This thread should be locked now because Utopian is not part of NEM anymore

Haha, UP is not even close to BCNext or Satoshi, UP knows nothing about the technical side of crytpo, whereas BCNext and Satoshi created/developed their respective crypto's from the ground up.  Also, most Nxt members are stakeholders of NEM from the beginning.  Nxt does not fear NEM, Nxt fears no one.

In that case, I say ask him back on board, if it really, really was only one extra stake.
As a longstanding NEM stakeholder, I really don't care that UP snaffled an extra stake for himself.

And, btw, Taun, I'm getting bored of your constant anti-NXT paranoia/FUD....could you dial it down a bit?

get utopianfuture back on track. after all there is much worse shit behind the scenes. it is not fair to crucify him. he was nothing extraordinary bad really. just the guy who planned it all together.

Are you kidding me????? You were the one calling for his head yesterday. My what a poor memory you must have.

i never said anything against utopianfuture. UP is who made NEM possible.

i had an intensive discussion with him yesterday and re-realized the worth of the man.

Hi, Im a forgotten sockpuppet account, i have no NEMs or another IPO stakes and never tried to obtain any or do some FUDs however i have a good attitude so i must present you what i have currently "intended".

http://i60.tinypic.com/123s2mv.png

Keep on top of things, in a few days people will barely remember at this "sockpuppets" affair.

 :)

I hope UP does return someday, but I think with the controversy right now, it wouldn't be good.  To get overthrown for having an extra stake is such a small offense in this community rife with premines, secret packs with buddies, and sock puppets.  If NEM is successful in a year from now and UP comes back penniless, I would happily contribute to the UP fund and welcome him as a hero. 

Also, NEM on its own is really coming together without a single leader.  It has been really nice to watch it develop.  After all, this is really what a crypto that can change the world should be about anyway.

Lastly, I don't think NEM and NXT should be fighting at all.  I imagine most of the large NXT people are actually a part of NEM too.  Right now NXT has been a huge help to NEM via NEM being on the Asset Exchange, and hopefully someday NEM will also be a help to NXT too.  In many ways I see NXT and NEM has siblings, not as enemies.  There might be some sibling rivalry now and then and that is natural, but there by no means needs to be hatred between the two. 

Then there is this TaunSew  asshole who keeps posting anti-Nxt  posts on various pages

If that goes on, I will start posting anti-Nem posts (despite the fact I have over 10 stakes that I bought) on various pages

utopianfuture is definitely a genious for pulling off this social engineering scam NEM.

utopianfuture launched NEM to enrich himself and after he noticed community starts to feel betrayed because of the sockpuppet mistake he left the project SO that he can let all of u work as utter slaves for the ENRICHMENT PROCESS his remaining hundreds of stakes.  have fun enriching this smart guy.

way to go, definitely a financial genious this guy.   i wish i had the same idea as this fit guy. it s A+ show


~CfA~

I feel like UF is lurking around here ;D

wow,what the problem about nem？

nothing nothing my friend. 
  buy some NEMstake on asset exchange today and join our NEM Enrichment Process dude ;)

~CfA~

read OP buddy

~CfA~

It's look NEMastic!!!

https://i.imgur.com/5TbZGwF.png

Enjoy NEM!

NEM OPEN ALPHA LAUNCH IS SCHEDULED FOR 25th JUNE 2014

Shameless Copy  :-[

pet master busted too now !

it seems like nem price is down to the grounds :/


~CfA~

What happened!!?