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June 12, 2014, 09:21:58 PM
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Other then Ghosthouse, what other sockpuppets does UF have?  Can anyone name a third?  If not then don't claim so.

Having a second account is legal given the context.  What's scandalous is this sim coin thing but honestly I don't know anything about that coin / don't care.
Why are you so keen on defending the actions of UF?
Serious question.

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June 12, 2014, 09:23:23 PM
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Ok, UF doesnt like Simcoin and he created 2 fake accounts  for posting on Simcoin thread.

Of course he can't use UF account and writing on another post. He make a mistake, it's not nice to insult others devs ( I LIKE SIMCOIN)

but that doesnt have nothing with NEM.

UF is doing great job for NEM.


This is  not all. Those two fake accounts were also on Nem stakeholder list so he has been using sock puppet accounts to claim even more stakes than what he is already getting (percentage of 10%)

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June 12, 2014, 09:23:58 PM
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Other then Ghosthouse, what other sockpuppets does UF have?  Can anyone name a third?  If not then don't claim so.

Having a second account is legal given the context.  What's scandalous is this sim coin thing but honestly I don't know anything about that coin / don't care.
Why are you so keen on defending the actions of UF?
Serious question.

Don't ad hominem  me, it's a logical fallacy.  I'm not 'defending anyone', I'm challenging the claim by trolls that UF is a sockmaster but no one has shown a third account or more (with stakes)

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June 12, 2014, 09:28:13 PM
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Other then Ghosthouse, what other sockpuppets does UF have?  Can anyone name a third?  If not then don't claim so.

Having a second account is legal given the context.  What's scandalous is this sim coin thing but honestly I don't know anything about that coin / don't care.
Why are you so keen on defending the actions of UF?
Serious question.

Don't ad hominen me, it's a logical fallacy.  I'm not 'defending anyone', I'm challenging the claim by trolls that UF is a sockmaster but no one has shown a third account or more.
The whole reason why everyone is tumbling over one another is because of the all the "preaching" UF has done about fairness and being trustworthy and all the stuff about being transparant, making contracts...

And now we see he has at least two different accounts with stakes on the stakeholder list (before they were removed).
That's something that removes you from my trust list immediately.

Trust is all we have and when the "founder" of a coin doesn't tell anyone he has several other accounts.... Do I really need to go on?

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June 12, 2014, 09:30:03 PM
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Other then Ghosthouse, what other sockpuppets does UF have?  Can anyone name a third?  If not then don't claim so.

Having a second account is legal given the context.  What's scandalous is this sim coin thing but honestly I don't know anything about that coin / don't care.
Why are you so keen on defending the actions of UF?
Serious question.

Don't ad hominen me, it's a logical fallacy.  I'm not 'defending anyone', I'm challenging the claim by trolls that UF is a sockmaster but no one has shown a third account or more.
The whole reason why everyone is tumbling over one another is because of the all the "preaching" UF has done about fairness and being trustworthy and all the stuff about being transparant, making contracts...

And now we see he has at least two different accounts with stakes on the stakeholder list (before they were removed).
That's something that removes you from my trust list immediately.

Trust is all we have and when the "founder" of a coin doesn't tell anyone he has several other accounts.... Do I really need to go on?

Which was the second account?  If you're saying he had two more, in addition to the main UF account, then I see validity

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June 12, 2014, 09:35:00 PM
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.
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June 12, 2014, 09:36:09 PM
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Other then Ghosthouse, what other sockpuppets does UF have?  Can anyone name a third?  If not then don't claim so.

Having a second account is legal given the context.  What's scandalous is this sim coin thing but honestly I don't know anything about that coin / don't care.
Why are you so keen on defending the actions of UF?
Serious question.

Simcoin has nothing to do with this. There is no problem between simcoin and NEM. The problems were personal and they should remain so.

It is very understandable why people would still defend UP. While he has made a great mistake, we should not forget that we would not be here without him. He has put a great deal of work for this and people judging him should keep in mind too.

Am very curios to read his statement.
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June 12, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

1 sock puppet that was CAUGHT. He could literally have hundreds more. If he doesn't, prove it.

The man is a liar. He was caught in a bald-faced lie. Pretending to talk to yourself for the sake of creating fake conversation IS LYING. Its dishonest and it goes against the core themes of this project.

It doesn't matter what you or he has to say about the matter from here on out, he has no credibility any more. Its morally reprehensible that you guys would rush to his side so quickly.

No NXT developer has been caught using such underhanded tactics, ever.

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June 12, 2014, 09:40:08 PM
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

I only see him with two accounts, which is legal if the second stake is meant for someone else.

People keep claiming he has multiple sock puppet accounts but that doesn't seem to be the case until someone can prove it.

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June 12, 2014, 09:41:07 PM
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

1 sock puppet that was CAUGHT. He could literally have hundreds more. If he doesn't, prove it.

The man is a liar. He was caught in a bald-faced lie. Pretending to talk to yourself for the sake of creating fake conversation IS LYING. Its dishonest and it goes against the core themes of this project.

It doesn't matter what you or he has to say about the matter from here on out, he has no credibility any more. Its morally reprehensible that you guys would rush to his side so quickly.

No NXT developer has been caught using such underhanded tactics, ever.
I think the nxt guys can answer that  Grin

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June 12, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

I only see him with two accounts, which is legal if the second stake is meant for someone else.

People keep claiming he has multiple sock puppet accounts but that doesn't seem to be the case until someone can prove it.


The cautious and appropriate point of view would be the opposite from your own. You need to prove to us he doesn't have more sock puppet accounts. Its not the other way around.

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June 12, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

1 sock puppet that was CAUGHT. He could literally have hundreds more. If he doesn't, prove it.

The man is a liar. He was caught in a bald-faced lie. Pretending to talk to yourself for the sake of creating fake conversation IS LYING. Its dishonest and it goes against the core themes of this project.

It doesn't matter what you or he has to say about the matter from here on out, he has no credibility any more. Its morally reprehensible that you guys would rush to his side so quickly.

No NXT developer has been caught using such underhanded tactics, ever.
I think the nxt guys can answer that  Grin

OK fine I made that up admittedly. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

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June 12, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
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Other then Ghosthouse, what other sockpuppets does UF have?  Can anyone name a third?  If not then don't claim so.

Having a second account is legal given the context.  What's scandalous is this sim coin thing but honestly I don't know anything about that coin / don't care.
Why are you so keen on defending the actions of UF?
Serious question.

Simcoin has nothing to do with this. There is no problem between simcoin and NEM. The problems were personal and they should remain so.

It is very understandable why people would still defend UP. While he has made a great mistake, we should not forget that we would not be here without him. He has put a great deal of work for this and people judging him should keep in mind too.

Am very curios to read his statement.
He would already have gotten multiple stakes by being so valuable to NEM and being the "founder".
Why in the world would you claim more stakes under an alias and not tell anyone about this?

This is not a simple mistake after all the trouble that was caused by trying to get rid of people with multiple accounts / stakes.

I will be silent from now on about this subject. Enough has been said, but I eagerly await his response...

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June 12, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

I only see him with two accounts, which is legal if the second stake is meant for someone else.

People keep claiming he has multiple sock puppet accounts but that doesn't seem to be the case until someone can prove it.


The cautious and appropriate point of view would be the opposite from your own. You need to prove to us he doesn't have more sock puppet accounts. Its not the other way around.

Not true.  That's a logical fallacy called negative proof.

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June 12, 2014, 09:44:03 PM
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face facts guys this coin is dead. It wont be challenging NXT anytime soon.


Hanging emotionally onto an investment is a sure fire way to be a loser in investing generally. Its investing 101 stuff.

If the coin is dead can i have your 10 stakes?
Still waiting for your answer
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face facts guys this coin is dead. It wont be challenging NXT anytime soon.


Hanging emotionally onto an investment is a sure fire way to be a loser in investing generally. Its investing 101 stuff.

If the coin is dead can i have your 10 stakes?
Still waiting for your answer
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

The majority of Nxters are NEM stakeholders and have been here far longer than you.  NEM is not a topic that comes up often among Nxt as far as competition.
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I love that there were ~70 stakeholders for NXT and NXTers are saying NEM is compromised because of 1 sock puppet among 3,000 stakeholders. It goes to show how hungry the competition was for some negative NEM publicity.

I only see him with two accounts, which is legal if the second stake is meant for someone else.

People keep claiming he has multiple sock puppet accounts but that doesn't seem to be the case until someone can prove it.


The cautious and appropriate point of view would be the opposite from your own. You need to prove to us he doesn't have more sock puppet accounts. Its not the other way around.

Not true.  That's a logical fallacy called negative proof.

What are you talking about? 1 sock puppet has already been found. So where is the "negative" part of the "negative proof"?

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June 12, 2014, 09:50:45 PM
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In this statement will try to address three issues: One is on NEM distributional idea which I don't think many people understand even with many many pages and words have been poured on the issue so far. Secondly, I will address the issue of my personal conduct and the last issue is about what will be the future of NEM and UtopianFuture.

NEM distributional idea is best understood in this summary written in the Development Contract.

"The purpose of the stakeholder community distribution round  is to spread the majority of NEM evenly and to many stakeholders as long as the logistics allows. The goal is to build a big and decentralized community that can support NEM's exsitence and operation as a decentralized network"

IMO, the distribution round was a success. We are now having a big and passionate group of developers and helpers that share the same goal and a sense of solidarity. That's very important because they will be shaping the future of NEM with or without me.

The spread of the distribution round  was excellent as you can see in the population statistics. The number does not lie and we can show that to any detractors.  

I failed in my personal conduct and not adhere to the rules I set myself. If you are familiar with American politics, now I have the Eliot Spitzer or Anthony Weiner problem.

I had a few sockpuppet accounts but I have no intention of cashing out any of them. I did not write down the sock accounts (using an arbitrary password that I can't remember) neither and plan to donate the fees for the development fund. I created sock accounts to keep the thread at a high demand when we have few supporters. Ghosthouse is the only account I kept using more so that I can use it sometimes to cheer up NEM threads.

It is what it is. I apologize to my core team members, to all NEM supporting developers and helpers for this issue. I will step down from now on.

The task of maintaining NEM stakeholder list will be transfered to Patmast3r. He has been sharing the access to the file with me for quite sometimes. NEMtoken account will be passed to Pastmast3r as well.

NEM Twitter account will be transfered to Makoto and he could pass on to the most suitable person.

NEM development fund accounts will be fully transfered to Jaguar0625, Gimre and Thies1965.

Ournem website will be transfered to the core team as well.

Update and Discussion and Refunds threads will be closed after new threads with similar functions can be made up.

All press contacts will be passed to the core team so that they can find an appropriate person for the job.

I resign from all leading function within NEM and this will be the last post of UtopianFuture.


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June 12, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
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can someone please connect utopian and patmaster as sockpuppets . hehe

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