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after utopianfuture has now been convicted of secretly claiming sockpuppet stakes of a supposedly "fairly distributed" NEM Project in his position of "grand leader" - the community question has been raised if or if not he should be excluded/removed from the project as a valid consequence.

Read more info here  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=649852.0


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1 Maximum vote per User. Poll will run for 14 days.

You make valid arguments. You repeat valid arguments.

Calling a vote almost immediately is unnecessary and just perpetuates the hype (Which may be the intent, right?)

I want to see a statement from UP before any vote is cast - anything before (like this) has no credibility in my view.

I absolutly respect your opinion Thingamajig 

My opinion is let the community decide. I saw the facts, I dont need a statement

Betrayal is betrayal and it needs a vote

You are buzzing around this drama like you are a 12yo looking for chaos. Let the official NEM developpers sort it out, they are smart enough people. UP wasn't doing any development, technically didn't own any coin since the coins don't even exist yet. It's not your place to hold that vote.

Fairly Distributed sockpuppets

hi city19akro. you are kind of wrong unfortunately, LOTS AND LOTS of Money is traded on Nxt AE exchange and the issuing rights of the NEM tokens traded has solely utopianfuture. he acts as the grand leader.

please dont post if you have no knowledge

I am part of the community as i own several nem stakes. I can open a vote anytime I want and u must accept this thank you for posting

btw "up wasn't doing any development" is a true statement. in fact hes just collecting the "financial freedom" caused by the project lol.


VOTES ARE in favour of utopianfuture at the moment and i respect this. in fact this is the reason i opened the poll. TO SEE THE GENERAL COMMUNITY OPINION and not what i beleive personally.

Whats more important is a close result. Because of how hasty this vote has been called, people are unable to make a rational, prudent vote. This vote is called far too early.

If given the option in the vote, most would've chosen to wait and see how things unfolded, and if we could get an official statement from UP. This is taking advantage of hype, all of which is not needed.

utopianfuture caused this "hype" not me

all i do is open the much needed voting

I don't know why I think that "Come-from-Above" might be UP.... that is weird. No way to be sure now now.

seems like its still a 50:50  (14:14)  at the moment. community undecided?

Of course it is. I just explained why.

It's too early, people can't make an informed decision.


If this vote was to have any merits, it would also provided a choice of "Wait until further developments or a statement is released".

I think somebody is trying to manipulate the opinions of the people and the price to buy cheap.
There is a saying: horses in midstream not change.

this just came in from NEM Community Message Board:

"WE MUST PROTECT BELOVED LEADER!  destroy CfB defector!!!!"

http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/thumb/8/87/Poster08.jpg/350px-Poster08.jpg

(note: joke.)

-bm

 ;D lol, fits it pretty well for sure!

Find a way to prove that Utopianfuture doesn't have any more sockpuppet stakes. That is the only thing that will save NEM.

Seeing all the NEMer's coming to terms with this is like cult members finding out their leader has been having sex with all their daughters.




Excuse me for enjoying the moment.

I thought the thing was hilariously dumb even before they IPOd.  I actually had a few interactions with UtopianFuture on the NXT forums(which are far more bizarre, interesting, and unreliable than anything you see on BTT).

I pointed out the fact that they had no technical plan.  I suppose a combination of investment enthusiasm and good-ol sock puppetry made it look as though my questioning was inappropriate.  I guess it wasnt.

-bm

UP could resign himself and give Nem more credibility. I wonder if he will do it though.

the only thing NEM has left is a number of people who don't want to appear as if they were fooled.

-bm

YOU are really kidding... I didn't see ANY proof. Everyone can open a account and post suspicious things...

He confirmed to have sockpuppet accounts as shown here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.10260;topicseen.
He's now labelled as a scammer/liar.

sorry dude, but u better hear it from the former leader himself then


Now the next question. Is utopianfuture actually patmaster as well? Who knows?

I'm out of this hoax project! Selling my stakes now on Nxt AE

voting can thus now actually be closed ...

so he's stepping down?  and handing over leadership to one of his sock puppets?  :)

you are seriously dumb if you don't clear out of this project and never look back.

-bm

ok, but still:
so what? You are hurting NEM more with this thread then him. Thank you.

NEM is dead. face it

this project based on a lie and hoax of "fairness and quality" worked because of community support. at least half of community will not trust project anymore after this

just sit back and see. PS i dont give a shit im out of this disgusting project

i sold my NEM stake for 2 btc a few days ago...thankfully before this becomes worthless

This is a hyped up crisis, exploited by Come-from-Above, which gives anyone the opportunity to snap up cheap NEM stakes.
Utopianfuture has already fessed up and bowed out. Think all work on NEM stops now? Did NXT die when BCNext bailed? Watch and learn.

3 people telling you 20 times to sell and that they dont care

funny isnt it? :D

you just want a cheap stack. If you want to sell yours. I buy it for 0.1BTC. Its worthless anyway ;-)

dont forget UP still has his stake(secretly), and wants to get out.  If the price hits the floor he can't do that.

mostly Im participating in these threads to validate what my initial suspicions were about this project, and also for fun. :)

-bm

roflmao what a conspiracy

all my nem stakes are for sale. i have no interest in this. we all know that NEM PRICE WILL GO FAR LOWER THAN CURRENT STAKE PRICE ON NXT AE AFTER LAUNCH

if u dont realize this then u are utterly delusional and neither i can help u anymore

you care only for your precious NXT, we are not stupid. Who gives a fuck about his stake. This is NEM, there are not NXT type whales with 50 mio+ stakes.  ;)

this is just ridiculous beyond comprehension

who would dare to compare nem with established projects like bitcoin or nxt, mastercoin etc.

god who would even dare that

you guys do realize that most of these accounts from the "NEM community" are likely UP?

-bm

Hi BCnext, I heard you made lot of money fucking with noobs buying into NXT. Also please stop coding like in 80s man, its tyring to remake your shitty code.  :-*

But it was really genius from your side to create sockpuppets and sell whole coin to yourself, I give you that.

u are mixing names now, this is what NEM is convicted for today. ;D

good one!

Actually me, obviously.

well u are obviously out of your mind to compare vaporware with the most established cryptocurrencies in the world.

do u need any help? BITCOIN FOR THE WIN

Hello.

I want to buy all yor NEM stakes.
How many stakes do you have for sale?!

i have none for sale anymore. go to NXT AE and buy them up if u need some, many sales available

hi sock puppet!

why do you announce your desire to buy to the world?  wouldn't this result in paying more?  such curious behavior.

-bm

I already have. BTC, NXT and Mastercoin all have storied and controversial pasts. Compare them to the elegant launches of Litecoin, Vertcoin, or Counterparty. Guess what? It doesn't matter. It does. not. matter. how many sock puppets you have. It's code vs. code, developer vs. developer out here. Clean launches are not a pre-requisite for a successful cryptocurrency. NEM may survive, it may not. But calling NEM dead does not make it so.

ok, please post some code of NEM or any other achievement.

btw please give me a break when talking about controversial pasts after what happened with Nem today, otherwise i might die of shock.

UtopianFuture did not have to resign - all he did was create accounts to pump up interest (he later removed his accounts from the list), many developers and project leaders have done that for almost every coin out there.  Satoshi likely posted under different aliases, at the very beginning, to make Bitcoin look more popular than it really was.

NEM is far from dead - the price is still within normal range and most people are still standing behind the coin.  Come back in a week and NEM's price will still be the same if not higher.

its beyond me how u can come up with such impudent excuses now. are u not ashamed? do u want to challenge utopianfuture TaunSew? :0

No thanx, your mum already helped me.  LOL Like it matters if whales are estblished or not, FIAT is also established, so what?

No, if I were my project I would not be ashamed about it.  It's a legitimate tactic, for a brand new coin, to utilize different alises to make a coin look popular.

I think it succeeded.  NEM was nothing at the very beginning but later it attracted reputable developers and a huge community.  The past doesn't change the present.

You missed my point.  It's too early to call NEM dead precisely because there is nothing to evaluate. A sock puppet outing is not going to sink the project. Nice try though.

The thing is, Utopianfuture might still be lying to you. He admitted to having sockpuppet accounts to make NEM seem more "lively", probably in an attempt to cover up/push away any more comments concerning his accounts having Stakes in NEM. Seems like he's lying about making the NEM thread more lively, to cover that up...

CfA, clearly you have not grasped that it's entirely possible all these people you are attempting to reason with are one person- UP, who owns most of the NEM stake.  This oversight is probably how you got snagged in the first place.  It's a basic problem with this communication medium.

-bm

u do have a solid point there -bm

do you even realize how much time you've probably spent having discussions with these sock puppets?  practically everyone on the nxt forums are anonymous.  Takes a little while to figure out who are the real people.

it's fairly obvious most of the people posting(pro-NEM) are native chinese speakers.

-bm

Really?  Most NEM stakeholders have impeccable grammar and spelling.   This CFA keeps spelling "you" as "u" (in addition to other other irritable errors) and doesn't know how to space paragraphs.   You also can't figure out something called capitalizing letters.  If you're going to resort to an ad hominem that we are "native Chinese speakers", at least set the standard (of the english language) yourself.

i am from russia excuse my english

u excused utopianfutures bad english after all, accept me as well.

I disagree. His brand of bad English is particularly unique and not shared by many other posters in the NEM threads.

Utopian stabbed ur back, lying and laughingly. He did nothing but collect work on his way to his OWN SELFISH FINANCIAL FREEDOM.

developers and community are his slaves. how can u not realize this after all? people are so delusional. Wow.

"brand of English"

how many of our decisions here come down to this particular factor?  this so called writing style fingerprint?  Notice how just about every single cryptocurrency uses this, at least partially, as proof of identity.  Bitcoin included- how many articles have been written about how 'Satoshi' used British spellings?

-bm

All he did was create fake accounts, at the very initial beginning, to pad up popularity in NEM.  Every coin does it.   He later took those fake accounts off the stakeholder list, so he never intended to cash out.  His one developer stake was worth more than 40+ sockpuppets and other people were handling the taint analysis.

No, they don't. Why do you keep defending this liar? I was really hoping this whole thing could blow over but you are refusing to accept the point that your leader was outed as a scammer. So, nothing can blow anywhere until you first accept this reality.

NEW NEM thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650250.new#new

Sorry Come from Backside,  i dont know whats ur intension. You put so much engery to discredit NEM, this is very questionable. UF just created some sockpuppets at a very early stage,   aannnd now? the reaktion of this incedent isnt justified imo.  It seems more than a campaign against NEM now.

Like Politicans trying to find dirty things from the Opposite in before a important Election. Your plan is very Transparent Come-from-Analexit.

He's trying too hard and he's the only one running this crusade against NEM.  It's one thing if UtopianFuture actually scammed someone, which he didn't (and if he did then nobody would be defending NEM).

Only thing UtopianFuture did was create aliases to create fake popularity / interest in NEM in the initial weeks.  Everyone new coin / project does that on Bitcointalk.  Satoshi probably created a dozen fake aliases to promote Bitcoin back in 2009.

Every team of every project has some leaders and some control. The system should work now and make conclusions not an empty poll at bitcointalk where every average joe can press random button and chew random fat.

why dont you just issue a new stake?  why continue with NEMstake if you don't even know how much Utopian owns?

-bm

Ok this is number 3 or did i miss some?
How many threads are you gonna open if one of the nxt guys is blamed for a bug in the system?

NO matter how long will this storm in glass of water take (if we see the aplha release these "shitcointalk wars" will be forgotten rly fast), i must congratulate, the toxic attack "just  by bullshit" reduced the price for 25 percent. The guy from above probably dumped his sockpuppets and after price recovery he was pissed that he didnt make the best trade of his life... I really miss the utopianfutures comment in any of these threads his deffense should ascertain the situation. His posts about resignation etc are in NEM thread not in the innecessary 3 threads making by the same guy.

You have absolutely NO PROOF of this WHASTOEVER. Stop pretending that just because other people might also do bad things, that makes UF not so bad. You are just running your mouth because you are afraid this f'up is going to destroy your entire investment. Just man up and accept the fact that Utope screwed himself. AND THEN we will begin the process of healing.

Cease and decease with the ad hominems.  As I have informed you once before, your entire argument is a logically fallacy. You keep asserting a negative proof / burden of proof.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

I take it you have never stepped inside of an university, but if I said that about you then that would be an ad hominem response.  Sometimes people are too stupid to reason with, which itself is a logical fallacy called ad nauseam.

jesus H. christ are you even 1% aware of the blatant irony you just exhibited with your own words?

Let me put it to you this way: every time I catch you trying to cover for UF, I am going to ridicule you and point out the ridiculousness of your arguments. Its not for your sake; its for the people who you are trying to manipulate.

if i was doing all that work he was doing i would want at least ten stakes in the fuckin coin, considering i got one for just chipping in.05 …holy fuck its really not a big deal

He has admitted to having many sock puppets.  I guess it is possible then, isn't it? 

BCnext got a project started and bailed.  UtopianFuture is getting a project started and bailing. 

I always thought Emule was BCnext or CfB.  Maybe UP's arch enemy of CfA could really be UP. 

Emule wouldn't log into the NXT forum becomes then his IP would be known.  I am wondering if CfA would be willing to log into the NEM forum?

I'm sure Satoshi, BCNext and UtopianFuture have never disappeared - they likely continue to browse and can be identified by their brand of english and other mannerisms.

I think it's cute that people are already accusing me of being UtopianFuture but our english is nowhere the same (easy to fake bad english but not vice versa), if I logged into the NxT or NEM forum our IP / ISPs are completely unrelated, et cetera.  The real UtopianFuture is presumably hunkering down at the moment and will launch another coin.

Maybe Satoshi = BCNext = UtopianFuture.  Don't they all have crap english and terrible programming skills?   :P  BCNext and UtopianFuture also created their Bitcointalk accounts after the former disappeared.  *Conspiracy Hat*

u not utopia english not same.

msg from Bluemeanie1

yes the try-any of the majority is the best way to make decisions.

After reading everything you posted, in particular about being a part of the development team, completing trashing all the work of the entire project over on guy's POSSIBLE greed.. you open a new, non-biased thread.. It seems possible that you got into a personal argument over the sock-puppet fiasco and went completely haywire..

Or I could see other possibilities, as all of your posts and seemed to be misdirection.

-If they were direction, you would have posted your role in the development of the coin, all of its failures, and the detailed information that you knew about it.

-It is was misdirection, you effective drove the price down 480 dollars a share.  Thank you.  I was able to afford 1 stake now as I couldn't before.

-The third and outfield guess would possibly be a test of the loyalty of the community.  In which case I would bow at and marvel at the mastery of deception to achieve goals on more then one plane.

The reason why I would assume any of these things, is that everyone one of your posts, had literally no value. You mentioned you had value and would release it in regards to your role in the development, but would not in any way trash the coin's innovations, work achieved/not achieved, or slander the rest of the development team.  If you truly were out, then you would have been out, not owning and controlling the entire thread.  It does not make any sense.  -

 IF you wish to let all of us know what your role is in the development of this project, I'm sure everyone that is here and continually supporting this project, would like to hear it.  If you require your quote to remember what you said, I will get it tomorrow, otherwise perhaps you were incredibly drunk and not thinking clearly when you bombarded this thread with useless and/or personal banter about one individuals mistakes.  And then you sobered up, realized the error of your ways, and started another thread, off to ponder on the morality of the brutish and childish approach you took to a project with grand potential.

  When everyone wakes up to what NXT is, and NEM could possibly be, you will be a shamed and dishonored figure in the community. 
  But perhaps there is truth.  So please spread whatever secret you claim. 

If you truly believe in fairness and equality, as the notion of the opposite did seem to upset you so; you would not let the rest of us suffer while you withhold important and perhaps shameful information about this project and the development of it.  The majority of us are not rich, and use money we earn from working to support our vision of a wealthy and free future.  Do not be unkind if you have information to share.

Please come-down-from-above and meet us on the level to share your insight, to prevent the rest of us suffering.  And if there is no insight, apologize and retain the honor that Utopian did by stepping down from the leadership role and leaving behind all of the work that he did.  If you have a role in this development, you as well should step down based on this seemingly exceptionally childish conduct.

Post soon.  Everyone will be waiting for your response.

P.S I joined NEM about it's beggining, and i saw UP is working hard for NEM.

no matter what, i really think that UP contributes a lot to NEM.

without his work, NEW cant get this far !

so, guys, calm down, dont panic and dont spread panic.

We need to back utopianfuture in the project. Not to yield to provocations trolls.
You must make a fair decision. Utopianfuture has done more than we're all taken.
To restore the status utopianfuture!!!
Hands off utopianfuture!!!

PS: ... and we waiting for your response CfA and your friends gorillajam, darkota, bluemeanie1 and other trolls fearing for NXT.

what are u waiting for, cant u read?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650769.0

all the names u mentioned are not my friends; in fact i dont even know these people

This is probably not u friends, but just yours sockpuppet accounts which u made before???

I CAN SAY JUST- TAKE OF YOUR DIRTY HANDS FROM UTOPIANFUTURE!

NEW NEM THREAD : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650274.0

VERY WELCOME, NEM COMMUNITY!

Just remove it utopianfuture.

LOL, I dont know these guys..and IM not a sockpuppet for anyone Lmfao.

Aha... lol...who will say: Yes, of course, I am a sockpuppet?

i am a sockpuppet. but not of the guys u posted. ROFL

pS locking this thread now cuz voting useless. hope utopianfuture comes back quickly.