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The price is 0.46 BTC.

It's a cool kit but VERY EXPENSIVE. I did some calculations at Bitcoin Wisdom and it will most likely make a tiny, tiny profit of 0.1 BTC or so.
And this is without taking into consideration that the S1 anyway would generate more than that if I leave it running underclocked and undervolted.

Will YOU buy the S1 Upgrade Kit? If so, what is your reasoning?

  bad news you need to buy 2 of them that other problem for someone only had 1,3,5 S1.

3 and more is no problem. Just AT LEAST 2

The another thing I find odd the 2nd fan NOT in the kit

Brilliant from Bitmain.

I'm not sure on the ROI of this but Bitmain have always tried to "look after" their existing customers and this upgrade kit will help a few out with their old S1's.

I think this is a great upgrade kit and have ordered 2 already, my S1's will have a new lease of life and my hash rate will go up, I just wish they would be available sooner.

I tend not to look at the ROI charts as mining is a very speculative venture and no one knows whet Bitcoins will be worth in the future. I am just content that I am supporting the network and that in the future I may see some rewards for this.

My initial investment in mining hardware for in FIAT currency, but all upgrades are in Bitcoin so I have effectively written off my initial FIAT investment and will keep churning Bitcoin for hardware until I build up a substantial reserve of bitcoins.

I will only know if this strategy is good in a few years time, but I am confident that eventually my investment will come good. Anyone looking for a fast buck from mining will be disappointed, today mining is a long term and speculative investment.

As an aside, it is also great fun to watch your miners racking up Bitcoins, certainly this is worth something in entertainment value alone.

I am very happy with my miners from Bitmain but I think this upgrade kit is way too expensive, you could sell your S1 and just buy S3, the difference in price is .12BTC which is about $60, not worth the hassle of doing the upgrade but if you have a broken S1 or non-functional S1 then perhaps it's worth it.

my 2 cents.

I'm going for it from a hacking perspective.  After upgrading I want to look into Frankenstein-ing the old boards into some kind of an undervolted custom configuration and try to squeeze a tiny bit more from them.

Agree. And remember; if you buy an S3 you can still use your old S1. It will still run profitably for a while, especially if underclocked.

for us less tech savvy people like myself the price is way to high for me. I would hate to mess up the upgrade and ruin my s1 along with almost half a btc.

Not to mention you gotta wait over a month?

no thanks

I also think that if Bitmain sold them cheaper then you could have a scenario where these hardware/software smart miners could assemble an S3 equivalent type miner cheaper so I think the price was set so that it would not hurt the S3 Sales. 

I was thinking to buy the upgrade module however after seeing price and not being available to buy untill sep is too far away and wont brake even on equipment. Think am going to go into scrypt mining as seems far ebtter price range and far less watts used for hash power

I will buy one only for the fan to upgrade the old s1

We've just acquired an old S1, Does anyone want to split the 2 kit minimum with us?

I know, I know. New account here, but I would vouch our company.

Interesting... But it is a bit expensive. Considering a bit more will buy a new s3 plus u still get to keep the s1 going.. I might wait and hope for a price drop and reconsider

I'm waiting for the s2 kit. I hope it sees speeds at least 2 gh

At this price, it makes no sense.

Yeah i notice that too very odd for an upgrade kit dont know when i reassemble the s1 upgrade what i will do with the old s1 fan probably try to fit it... hope it will work...

Like most of the people who oc'd the S1, I have a few second fans already.  These 2nd fans can be 'recycled' into the S1-to-S3 upgrade.  While the cost of the upgrade is marginally lower than a full S3, it gives an opportunity to double the hash rate with a significantly better efficiency.

Cheers

People looking to faze out their S1s have 3 primary options:

1) Sell the S1, and buy new hardware.
Pros: Shiny new hardware! Better power efficiency.
Cons: A used S1 is barely worth anything at all, so you're going to have to invest some more money to get the same hashrate.

2) Undervolt the S1 for efficiency.
Pros: Lower power consumption for better efficiency. Cheapest of all 3 options.
Cons: Somewhat difficult and time consuming. Results in a loss of hashrate by as much as 40%.

3) This new upgrade kit.
Pros: Basically a straightforward, streamlined version of 1), without competing with everyone else and their grandmother trying to sell their used S1s.
Cons: Still pretty expensive. You're basically paying 0.46BTC for an extra 250GH/s and a 50Watt power savings.


Thoughts:
The 0.12BTC price difference between the S1 upgrade kit and a new S3 is about what you can expect to sell a used S1 for, so the investment cost is about the same for #1 an #3 (assuming you're upgrading at a 1-to-1 ratio.

Lets say you've got 10 S1s - 2000Gh @ 4000W. To keep your hashrate the same:
#1 would mean selling the S1s for ~1.2BTC, and buying 4 S3s (with a small additional investment to keep your hashrate close to the same) for 1900gh @ 1550W and ~1.2BTC invested.
#2 would mean  buying 6 more S1s, and undervolting all of them to 125GH/s @ 140W for 2000GH/s @ 2250W and 0.72BTC invested.
#3 would mean selling 6 of the S1s to help pay for the upgrades of the other 4, for a result in 1900GH @ 1550W and ~1.1BTC invested.

Or to keep your farm at the same power level:
#1 would mean selling the S1s for ~1.2BTC, and buying 10 S3s. Hashrate is 4800GH @ 3900W and ~4.6BTC invested.
#2 would mean buying an additional 18 S1s (28 total), and undervolting them all. Hashrate is 3500GH @ 3900W and ~2.16BTC invested.
#3 would mean buying 10 upgrade kits, for 4800GH @ 3900W and ~4.6BTC invested.

BONUS: #2 buying 28 S1s (38 total), and undervolting them. Hahsrate is 4750GH @5300W and ~3.36BTC invested (not including added PSU costs).

I can see scenarios where each option would be best, depending on your power limits, space limits, time, funds, etc.

please forgive me is this is most likely obvious to everyone else...

I have several S1 miners. very pleased with their reliability and efficiency. if I purchase the s1 upgrade kit, do I receive hardware that I then install to the existing units? do i send them my S1s and they then send me upgraded miners? I do appreciate the clarification,  thank you!

and it is 450 gh/s *total* per upgraded S1 dual blade unit? I was told 450 per blade, totaling 900+?

afaik

you get all the parts, install it yourself.

makes it into a s3+, which is 440ghash

Has anyone received the upgrade kit?  Bitmain promised shipping on the 20 of Aug or earlier, but so far it is 'unshipped'

Cheers

afaik it says Sept 20 or earlier

The promised shipping date is 20 of September!

Very true!!! (how could I miss a whole month?!)

Cheers

Your activity count *is* 420 at the moment. ...

Buy an S3, sell your S1 for at least $63, save your time and effort for more important things.

since i see no mention of having to update FW on the controller:

if the same PIC firmware is protocol compatible between the S3 and S1, then i wont have to change anything in the S1 driver i've started on for bfgminer!!!! YAY

Nope, not ordering any more of these until the price comes down or they allow ordering single units (at a lower price). They'll never make the coin back at a month away. The DIY factor is cool and I enjoy that aspect, but I don't enjoy it enough to sink more btc in it.

May be time to throw out some coupons, BitMain. (hint, hint)

what's up!?  (hint hint)

coupons!

Not worth at all, its like replacing instead of upgrade kit..

You'd save 0.12 BTC and probably need to spend an hour of DIY per miner to upgrade. I guess if I still enjoyed doing this I would go this route.

Awes come on it's like tinkering around with a good ol. 457 big block to get that extra little bit of muscle out of it. Good ol Father 'n  son time

How many of you ordered the s3 kit?

One question its not to clear to me do we need two kits for one S1 or it that how hes selling it . if so i don't have a problem with it  either way but be careful imo If we only need one kit I see why  hes requires a two kit buy, I've  seen some places charge the price for two or little less for one kit the way the adds read you only get one for the price of two or a little less  :( . so yea I'll hold off as well to see how that plays out .



O yea the S1  is still very use full but if i need one kit per S1 or  even if  its needs 2  per S1 still worth it to me, if you have a S1/s ones all ready.  


 upgrade one  sell off the other kit . if you only plan to upgrade one i can see other reason why  you have to buy two but as i said  be care full if its one kit per S1 .

I dont think anyone has since you can still sell S1 for $110 on ebay.

S1 may or may not go up big time at first till we do .

Id rather pay 150 US in the US for one then buy it off ebay, in some cases eBay is great  but as some one  said about eBay the cheap ones on eBay are most  likely on there last legs and well used and sense no one really knows for sure that Ive seen how the upgrade works i mean what condition the old S1 need to be in what does it replace . etc etc  . expect what the add said you get  two boards and some other stuff which looks like a normal upgrade kit do we need the old boards etc etc


 I might be wrong can't say i only buy certain things off eBay then it's new. :) .


 i see why he would require the two kit buy some will buy the kits just to build two S3 at a very reduced price  if all you need is the heat sinks and frame .  


 over the years I've found when doing most upgrades you don't need the old one  , its just makes it easier if you  have it  .:)  well any way I'm done just my  2s worth sense i have not seen  just what it does . my bad you get with the kit


1.   2 units of hash boards

2.  2 units of mini customized heat sink

3.  1 unit of adapter board

4.  1 unit of control board holder

5.  1 fan including the fan's cover and screws

6.  4 units of white plastic brackets, 2 units of 2x10 pin cables, 8 screws, 8 spring screws, 1 bag of thermal paste


buy looking at that you won't need the S1 in any way just a the kit and a  little no know how  unless the S1 has some thing on it you may need.


hm can't wait two S3 for the price of one all you do is put it to gather which some can't do :) .

Another thing you'll need to consider is the noise. I had to take apart an S3 for an RMA and had it running without the case and it was loud. The fans make a lot of noise - aka old school vacuum cleaner noise. It's something to consider if you're a home miner and have ppl in the house that tolerate your hobby.

So we will need a case to reduce the noise i have no idea how loud the  S3 are out of  the Case  s1 are annoying enough at times .I'm re modding the cooling on my two S1 for a little  less noise .



 more sells for cases, i see all kinds of way to make money if that's  the case and a smart move  on the DEV part .

I did built a cardboard case for the S1 just to try to cool it down. I did not change the fan though.
It did NOT help at all. Still runninig at 46°C with fan Speed at 2220 and freq. 375. Makes 190 Gh/s avg.

Does '420' make me absent minded?....:)

I did, it's probably quite close to replacement, but that would be missing the tinkering fun...

Cheers

2 major items you need off your s1 are the controller card with the nic and the heat sinks in the middle. The heat sinks in the kit go on the outside of the board. Like on the new s3.

Use the pencil mod to undervolt you will drop to 140 gh but the temp will drop to 30.

Someone Can Please Help!
I have 2 broken control boards of my old Antminers S1. I need these boards to the Ugrade Kit?

Please inform which part of old Antminer S1 will be in use in new Upgrade Kit, it seems everything is in Upgrade Kit. Nothing of my old antminers - except the support structure - will be recycled even the old fans are not in use with the new Kit, correct?

please elaborate "broken".
There might be a way to get them back to life.
Have a look at Taugeran's post regarding unbricking.

Ill even comment on this. If you do not feel comfortable messing around with/ or do no have immediate access to a uart bridge, I am more than willing to offer my service***


***we can discuss options, if you desire my help

Wish this was priced better, would have loved to upgrade and double my hash but at this price better to undervolt and slowly squeeze every penny out off these guys.

Hi,
Broken means, only the ventilator are working.
I try to connect blades to other controller and blades are fine.
First this problem starts without contacts to the blades, controller blink but don´t start working.
Now Controller don't make nothing, is dead :)

I Can't find the Taugeran's post regarding unbricking.

Yes Taugeran, your service as welcome, please Mp.

Check the voltage coming out of the mp1484. The hashing board shouldn't work without the +3.3, but check it just in case, it will take 2 minutes.
The power header for the controller only have 4 pins
Pins 1 and 2 are ground.
Pins 3 and 4 are +3.3v

They have started shipping them.

My upgrade kit was shipped, due here on 19/09.  Looking forward to the efficiency and hash rate improvement compared to the S1's.

Cheers

Does anyone know if the upgrade uses a new controller card?  It doesn't list 1 in the details.

mine was not shipped yet im guessing by tommorow morning it will be marked as shipped :D

It includes an adapter for use with the s1 controller

Just got my tracking number :) said 6 upgrade kits are on the way and should be here tomorrow 9/18 etc.. I was actually worried, since I purchased (2) S3 miners and the kits.  Bitmain just told me they shipped separate, and I've already got the order for the S3's.  He just sent the tracking info about 10minutes ago, and responded in 1 hour :).  Nice!  

Oh for those interested I'll have a couple extra S1 upgrade kits.. if someone wants to buy em off me.  I oversold my S1's on Ebay and now will have two extra kits left over once they get here.  PM if your interested. I figure if someone wants to toy around with one kit.. this maybe an option?  I also will have several fans and screw kits for the second missing fan if needed. I'll Know more once I can spend a few minutes looking over the contents coming.  I'll probably be asking at cost of the kit plus shipping just to get rid of the extra two.

Sense bitmain has two videos on YouTube how the upgrade works it seems to upgrade from a S1 to S3  you need the S1 controller, both heat sinks unless you oped to water cool i think those heat sink should work the old screws form the Old hash boards the frame from the S1 unless you plan to customize a case around the upgrade or use a custom case if you have one .T paste then your set so i can see were using the old hash boards still might have  some use left not much but some.


I think they did a really nice job with the up grade i for one plan to get two kits or working on getting two .  My S 3 will be here some time next week , i want the up grade more now not for the hash power more  for the Uber  fun of doing it  and ofc for the hash power . i did read some place S2 user will get a upgrade kit  just no eta yet with speeds up to 2 TH .

Installation guide video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7Mir7K_Pc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7Mir7K_Pc)

yuo tube video just how it works :) .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7Mir7K_Pc&feature=youtu.be

more detailed one :).
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhx1jiuaJY8     

I have not seen this clarified so I will add it.

You do not have to get the 2 units of the kits from Bitmain, YOU CAN GET JUST 1 UNIT directly from bitmain, and here's how you do it.
1. Got to the bitmain website and select to buy the kit.
2. Go to the checkout and complete the order for the 2 units MOQ.
3. If you chose to pay with bitcoin, when you get the address to make payment, send bitcoins for 1 unit, i.e 046 BTC
4. Optionally, you can add a note in the Notes section that you only want 1 unit.

Cool ty il do just that i only want one for now and will pay cash later on .

Does it use the same CGMiner or do we flash the unit to an S3?

the upgrade i think video say's the controller mount for the upgrade convert it to A s3 . I was told when I got  my email from the US vendor i bought my S3 from that they are  gonna release a Firmware up date   that upgrades to the latest version of CGMiner 4.6.0 or later what ever is out when they DO Imo i wish it would Include bfgminer to i like BFGmner more no offense intended to the DEV of cgminer.

I'm guessing but yea you need to update the controller once it is  mounted sense I have tryed to use a S3 firmware on a S1 board  some thing on the mount makes it seen as a S3 .

Thanks for the answer.

There are some folks working on antminer support for bfgminer, myself included. Almost done designing a USB dongle to control a pair of S1 blades (since I can't get a farking crossbuild environment set up)

I thought it was supposed to come with a cover?

Nope:
https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=0002014081313175081722f1GeUO063F

S1 Upgrade Kit includes:

1.  2 units of hash boards

2.  2 units of mini customized heat sink

3.  1 unit of adapter board

4.  1 unit of control board holder

5.  1 fan including the fan's cover and screws

6.  4 units of white plastic brackets, 2 units of 2x10 pin cables, 8 screws, 8 spring screws

7.  You shall prepare our own thermal paste, which is easy to be ordered:

I wonder if that will make much difference in the temp compared to a real S3+

sadly no that might make it cost more those covers the S3 uses are  nice  not the best but nice . if you watched the video and read the parts offered it just a upgrade and  a real upgrade .

I thought they would at least mount the heatsinks on the new boards. When I saw they were going to offer
these kits. Now it doesn't seem like such a great deal.

polly not just noise i would think it is actually a S3 but a upgrade kit with out a controller and a case. its is a real S3 just not the full  S3 .



Upgrades of any kind in my 20 years of  building PC etc are about the same .  all these are is a PC that are made to do one thing .

they can't  because of how the upgrade works to me i rather they did not mount them  but as they prefect it and put out more upgrades well see better improvements in how to do it etc .

my point is the price doesn't reflect the labor needed to reconfigure. but thats just my not so humble opinion.

I agree there are not really meant for the  newbie or user so to speak more for the DIY that don't  mind and want to save some money and re use old parts  for a time .

to be very honest i have never seen such a good grade that uses all most of the old parts i was so impressed by thought and care they put into it i mean that .

Me I'm one :).

Same here I wouldn't mind putting it together but hell attach the heatsinks and include the paste.
Or drop the price some more. I have enough paste to last me a lifetime but that isn't the point.

maybe there is a reason they can't supply the paste customs who knows yea  they could have mounted it or offered that option. but one kit which you can order right from them not two  if the  poster who posted a how to  is right then  the price is right, i know that sounds cheesy .

I don't know yet I'm gonna try once i get two more 0.2 mind I'm gonna try to buy one not 2.  btw i started Ming about a month ago big time and now all most have that  first coin its  been a thrill for me .

Nothing cheesy about that, just a doubting Thomas!
Here's a shot of the account I used (even to get a single S3!)

http://s26.postimg.org/8gqdj6vyh/singleorder.png

awesome no doubting on my part i just don't want to confirm some thing i have not done yet . :). unless you do some one else does with proof  :) .


and  cheesy I meant the saying the price is right .

Thanks for the video, are your using the Philip screw ?

I've been trying to search the board on this upgrade, I've completed 1 of 4, but am unable to get the unit hashing, I've sent email to bitmaintech, asking if there is a firmware update needed?  Has anyone alredy gone through this and could share some knowladge

Got mine today, assembled it, but lost it on the network.  Not sure yet, will let you know if I can get mine hashing...

Yeah, flash the firmware to the latest version for the S3 that Bitmain has on their support site.  That will get you going, it's working for me.

That was the ticket, antMiner_S320140826.bin and all is well.  Was terrified I'd brick the unit

Thanks!

Thanks for the info, I just got confirmation that my upgrades shipped early this morning; I guess I should see them by the end of next week.

Just received a reply from bitmain

Mine are working just like they are s3's.
I flashed to the non gui frequency s3 firmware.

I have them all overclocked to 243 and they are hashing the same as my s3's same temperatures and much less hardware errors.
Probably because I applied the heat sink compound properly. Arctic Cool MX-4.

Sweet thanks!  Afraid I'd done something wrong on the install when everything looked tip top.

Would've been nice if they mentioned flashing the firmware on the video though...would've had them
hashing last night at 1am.

Oh, and for anyone considering the upgrade...you're better off underclocking and undervolting your S1's and paying the extra for the nicer looking (and less dangerous, the heat sink blades are sharp) S3's or at this point perhaps the S4 if you can budget it when they announce the price.  Your money will likely go further...we've now got a pile of s1 boards we're not sure what to do with yet...curious if we can build a large underclocked undervolted machine with multiple blades.

Only problem with the logic of keeping the s1 hashing and buying an s3 instead is....
You need a power supply for the S3 which is more $$$ spent. granted u need to spend $ for heatsink compound.
calling the heatsinks on the kits dangerous is a bit wacky.
buying an S3 and selling the S1 may be the best route but they are going for around $80 now and they are heavy so shipping is near $20.
so it comes down to convenience. the less bothersome route is the S3 upgrade kit and why I chose that route.
 Yeah they should be cheaper... but people who whine about prices gain nothing but wet faces.
They are selling so, the price complaint is pointless

Just received my upgrade kits.  

Wanted to shout out how pleased I am with the packaging. Everything looks perfect.

Assembling now.

Thanks!

Kathwren

aka  Katie on slush chat

Moar infos!

No problems with assembly, (an electric screwdriver very very helpful)  firmware upgrade perfect, followed instructions here on unchecking "save settings" and adjusted the frequency under the miner configuration advanced tab.

Up and running no trouble. 

Thanks Bitmaintech!

Congrats!
Expecting my kit tomorrow.  It is coming at the right time, as my S1's are being turned off for most of the day when their electricity cost is greater than projected BTC earnings. This is with a time-of-use electricity meter and the only time when these less efficient miners can be still used is at night during off-peak rates.

Cheers

3 bucks for the paste that will  last a year or two if you  buy the jar.   makes a lot sense to just upgrade  those S1 and get a S4 or two then your set for what maybe 6 month lol , but by then if you managed what you made right you can buy those upgrade and keep going but yea just upgrade it's cheaper by far you might save all most 230 $  .

for those that don't know you can buy just one off bitmains site some one on the thread posted how to .  but if you don't want to use coins right now on amazon there are two selling upgrades and out pricing each others.

The heatsinks just nearly bit me a few times during install, and if you have to move the units, the S3's with the box around them are easier to transport without possibly slicing your finger if you mis-handle it.  Of course, they're mostly stationary, so it really doesn't matter, mine are humming away steadily...thermal paste application is probably better than factory would've done, because I care.

BTW this works on S1, just did it see if i could and it did . not everyone should  try it , i didn't care if I  messed one up . i have a S1  with the S3 firmware . might do them and wait for the upgrade kits to come in on all my S1.

Now i wonder what the S2 upgrade kits will sell for if they are still gonna do that and  how much the S2 will drop once they do .


I read some place online the other day about S 2 upgrade kits coming  with NO   ETA yet .


If they do I buy one S4 and look for deals on S2 :)   . and up grade like S1 btw i don't mine doing my own upgrades it more fun to me .

I upgraded six S1's.  I will say the process takes about 30 minutes for each one, give or take.  I got faster as I went through them.  I can run all of them at 250 without any hardware errors.  Oddly, the frequency just below that resulted in more hardware errors than 250 itself.  Maybe the chips throw errors if they aren't powered properly.  That's a total guess.  But they are stable and nothing fancy, arctic-x4 was all I used. 

Now to hope that the Bitcoin price rises to get me back into earning what I paid for them. 

How are you getting this done in 30 minutes?  It takes nearly that long to remove the bubble wrap :/  I've timed myself and it takes me about 90 minutes per but I am not using any power tools.

I have an electric screwdriver (Drill with a proper bit actually) that obviously speeds up the process greatly.  I'm sure by hand it'd take quite a bit longer because of all the screws.  Only thing I struggled with is the fourth screw on the second fan.  I just ended up using three screws for it.  It wasn't furth futzing around to try and get all four in there.

What? The S3 firmware? What frequency did you set the S1 for then?

If you try this, do not uncheck the "keep settings" tab and it should retain the frequency settings of your S1.

(I used the word should...maybe attempt to make a backup first, just in case)

After this upgrade the modified S1 is now an S3+, so you set the frequency using the S3+ method from the Miner Configuration/advanced settings gui menu with the drop-down frequency list (which now says that 225 MHz is the default S3+).  I started from the S3+ default and all went well.
The only minor problem encountered is that a molded RJ45 connector doesn't fit into the LAN socket now, so had to select LAN cables without the molding for the modified S1/3 units.

Cheers

anyone come up with a use for the old s1 boards yet?

love to tinker.

I would think if the community worked more on this for the S1 boards it could be a huge benefit for breathing added life

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671128.msg8920630

There's two almost finished ideas in the thread: one by J4bberwock, and the other by myself. Take a look. I'm they could be undervolted to the hash point similar to the bitfury 400G rigs where each chip was doing between 1.5 - 2Ghash and they would not need heatsinks and could be mounted in a high density fashion.

Once one of the ideas bears its fruit I'd love to see something like this happen

Oh lord there's my next home project; wife's gunna hate me

Has anyone ordered any of these in the past week? Do you know if they are still in stock?  Thanks in advance.

i have just got my kits and i am having problems with the upgrade,the machine turns on with the blinking lights looks like its hashing only to have 0 gh in miner status its connected to my pool because it says alive also in miner status all parts are correct thermal paste as well  i used an anti static wrist band when building it looks like the one in the picture after i was finished on the bitmain site only it has green boards i have tried all firmwares S1 AND S3 oldest first and still the same looks like its hashing but not

any help please thanks   

I installed this upgrade yesterday.  Used the latest firmware (antMiner_S320140826.bin, do not tick 'save settings').  After re-flashing the firmware it returns to 'default' settings  (IP 192.168.1.99 and the test pools).  You cannot leave both miners at this IP, so you'll need to re-configure the network WAN addresses and your pool configuration. You also need to select the frequency settings at Miner Configuration/Advanced settings, 'save & apply'.  In the odd case of a 'stubborn' miner, you might need to perform a system reboot  (System tab, reboot, click on 'perform reboot').  My upgrade went smoothly and both S1's are now functioning as S3+.

Cheers

kabopar said ,
I installed this upgrade yesterday.  Used the latest firmware (antMiner_S320140826.bin, do not tick 'save settings').  After re-flashing the firmware it returns to 'default' settings  (IP 192.168.1.99 and the test pools).  You cannot leave both miners at this IP, so you'll need to re-configure the network WAN addresses and your pool configuration. You also need to select the frequency settings at Miner Configuration/Advanced settings, 'save & apply'.  In the odd case of a 'stubborn' miner, you might need to perform a system reboot  (System tab, reboot, click on 'perform reboot').  My upgrade went smoothly and both S1's are now functioning as S3+.


i probably the only one who's using wireless on 10 of my miners my router would normally resign a diff ip  is that gonna make a difference  

I've never used the wifi on the S1's or S3's.  I always use the wired network connection with different fixed WAN settings (WAN = wide area network) for each miner.  Try the wired connection to verify basic operation.  Note that re-flashing without retaining old settings would have also wiped out your old wifi settings (such as SSID, WPA passwords etc.), so if you insist on using wifi, you'll need to reprogram all of those.

Good luck

wifi wasn't a problem after i followed your steps and changed the ip its  hashing away 450+ now i can breath a sy of relief on my other s1's now and start doing them  :D

cheers

Well I bought 2 kits and upgraded one of my S1's without a problem.  The other S1 had issues when I restarted, the fan was blowing hard, getting up to 53C and finally dying. After removing the heatsink, I noticed the smell and brown spot on the white heat sink paste I used.  The box doesn't hash at all anymore due to this bad board most likely.

Is it possible to operate the S3 on a single blade by only powering that one?  I would rather get half the hash than no hash at all.

Should be possible to hash with just one board.  That's easy enough to test.  Just disconnect the one board and see how it goes.

I use WiFi on three of my upgraded S1's.   I will say that the hash rate is slower on these than wired.  Maybe around 40gh slower give or take.  But it is what it is, I'm not rewiring the house for those three units.  They still perform better than the S3's I originally bought. 

I don't own S3+ but I imagine they hash as well as the upgrades do.

 I'm a bit unhappy with Antminer ATM. I ordered (2) of the S1 rebuild kits back when they first came out. They're already expensive enough, but when I ordered their add said that it included a "bag" of thermal paste. Got them today, NO PASTE!! So I had to plunk down another .1 BTC to Newegg for the good paste and quick shipping. Oh! and they changed their advertisement "AFTER" they shipped my hardware. Real nice customer service Antminer. If you were an American company someone would probably sue you for false advertisement.
Okay, guess I'm done venting, but if you've ordered any of these you'll need thermal paste.

they updated the upgrade kit description before they shipped i asked them about it stop being retarded please they had problems with customs to send thermal paste its not their fault u din't read the memo

Congrats,
Happy Hashing!!!

I wasn't expecting any thermal paste with the upgrade kits, so wasn't disappointed.  As any common hardware nerd, i always have some of this stuff around anyway....:)

Cheers

I used thermal pads on the chips (1 strip is 1mm thick, 11cm X 2cm) costing about GBP 1.00 and should be enough for 1 complete unit (2 boards). The one care that you need to take with heat-pads is once you have applied them to the chips (as I did rather than to the heatsink), you get one go at placing the heatsink on, else they'll stick to the heatsink in the wrong place and you have to remove them one-by-one  back onto the chips.
I did NOT add any extra paste on the larger heatsink (there was a little bit there to get my hands dirty!) and the unit is hashing away consistently at stock freq of 225 @ 450+ GH/s.

I had such fun time upgrading a couple of S1's that I tried to order more upgrade kits today seeing as I have a pile of unused S1's in my basement. Unfortunately it appears like they are no longer selling them.

mine just arrived today

Got all 6 of these upgrades in over the weekend. I have 3 of the kits installed all using the original S1 firmware on the controller card. I had to change the asic-freq values to make it work without the S3 firmware update, but these units are consistently hashing @ 500 GH/s. The drawback is that the ASIC listing on the Miner Status page in the GUI still expect 32 chips when there are only 16 values, but past that they work just fine.

I'm using the following settings in /etc/config/asic-freq

option 'freq-value'  '0982'  #250M
option 'chip-freq'    '250'
option 'timeout'      '16'

I was able to make the upgrades for each unit in about 1 hour. I did purchase thermal paste from a local source, then used an old credit card to scrape the old thermal paste off the S1 blades as I removed them. I then incorporated new thermal paste into the old and mixed it with a cotton swab. I used the mixture on each of the ASICs on the new S3 boards and they are all consistently running @ 39-42 C. Once I have the others done I'll post what stats they are running with before and after the S3 firmware updates.

Mine are coming Friday "i hope". UPS says they're going to CA and I live in Texas :| Anyone had that happen to them before with Bitmain?

UPS had to track me down because they didn't put my street address (number or name) on the delivery, just my name, city, state and zip... So, I got the kits tonight.

I upgraded 1 unit tonight and it's hashing, but not displaying heat values or second fan speed. Is this normal?  I use the latest S3 firmware.

Listed as Up Coming now from bitmain direct.  Oddly, those I have saved in my shopping cart are still available to be ordered.  Would love to get a few more (have 2) since I still have some S1's staking up space. 

I've tried most of the frequencies from the default 325, 317, 350... I can't seem to get the unit to hash over 325 GHS, it seems to sit at 290 through 315.

Also, my miner isn't displaying temperature or the second fan speed.

Am I the only experiencing these issues?

I still have 3 more kits to upgrade and I'm a bit worried that I'm going to have issues.

having a problem with one of my s3 upgrade kits, does anyone know how to fix this? I think the issue is related to the fact that the miner status screen is showing 4 chains:
https://i.imgur.com/be9ldPA.jpg

I only see two chains on the unit I just ugraded. I'm assuming that you shouldn't see 4... But I'm having issues as well with mine.

Ya this is my second unit. The first one went fine. But this one isn't working and I'm sure it has something to do with the 4 chains. Hopefully someone can help me with this problem.

Upgraded 2 S1's to S3, neither shows the temp of the second fan.
By the way - why don't you upgrade the firmware from S1 to S3+?  - this is what Bitmain advises and others have done.  That would probably resolve the number of chains issue.

Cheers

I am running the latest S3 firmware...

now it's gone completely....
I myself was waiting for the first price decline the get me some.
I hope they are still continuing with this upgrade kit

Upgraded a couple of S1s, first went smoothly, second does not work at all. Miner Status page just shows "This section contains no values yet"

Have upgraded firmware to each option available but no joy with any of them.

Blades do not get hot and the red LED on each on does not light. Sometimes the odd quick flash during power up but nothing else.
Anyone any ideas? Is there a way to work out what is going wrong?

Perhaps bad form to reply to my own question, but this might be useful to someone else.
Problem now solved. I took a backup from the working device, the restored it on the non working one.
Switched off the working device (because both now have the same IP address)
Logged into the newly restored miner and changed IP address
Switched on the original working device - Result - both miners now upgraded and working.

mine are running perfectly if anyone needs help PM me or something ill try to help

Has anybody figured out what's causing this problem yet?

send a pic of the miner control board and ur set up it really looks like you might have made a wrong connection

Here's a picture. Their aren't very many connections, they look like they are correct to me:
https://i.imgur.com/7GMyctA.jpg

Do you have all 4 power ports active? I'm only running 1 on each side...

Yes all 4 pcie ports are active on both of my upgrades

did you make sure that all the data connections are completly down ? and that you placed them the correct way with the 2 pins  look at the connector plastic

The connectors only go in one way.

Problem appears to be solved. I think the 4 pin connector, closest in the picture, on the new board was not fully seated. The upgrade appears to be working properly now. Thank you.

Any one know where these are in stock at a fair price.

+1

I got my 2 today and put them together without any issues. I really enjoyed it and wish I had bought more. BitMain really packed everything well and the units are baking in with almost no hardware errors at 237.7 freq. I wouldn't worry that they don't ship paste since there is more than enough from the S1 card leftovers to sufficiently cover the chips. Also, there is really no noise addition like I had previously thought there would be. I'm very happy I bought these and will pick up more if they ever come back in stock.

I asked when they would be back in stock at bitman and was told they are now discontinued. :(

  Got my upgrade kit and installed it today. Updated firmware to S320140826. starts ok, shows all O's for the chips, doesn't show the frequency and only one fan speed.

  Only hashes 103 Gh/s. Re-start it does the same. How can I find what frequency it's running at?

  Sorry for jumping the gun with my post. After reading a little more I found miner config- advanced and changed the frequency from 218 to 225 and presto   431 and still climbing. Ya-hoo!

I'm going to beg. Those kits are awesome!

meh

I just bought a set of upgrades, and they require the Lan-wireless boards...  and it only comes with one fan... to upgrade your system to a push pull system...  and Im not happy with mine,,  missing cables, and screws...  just not happy at all... and the one I got working,,,  will only hash at 100G Hash...  so Im done!

Having issues with one of my upgrades. All of the other 6 units are hashing without issue, but one unit refuses to mine. I'm getting 100% discarded. I'm not sure what's going on with this unit.

I've tried the following:
1. Updated to latest S3 firmware, not saving config
2. Configured unit from scratch (same problem)
3. Backed up and restored a working config from another unit (same problem)
4. Rebooted numerous times
5. Powered off/on unit numerous times

I'm running out of ideas on what could be the issue. Any ideas of suggestions from the community on what could be causing this issue?

Did you install the new firmware (make sure to untick 'keep settings'), setup the network and pool config and select the frequency (Miner configuration, 'advanced' tab)?
I did a pair of upgrades and they are working just fine.  The only minor flaws are that the 2nd fan speed is not displayed and the LAN connector has limited space, so molded Ethernet RJ-45 connectors cannot fit.  Both of the upgraded S1/3's can be pushed to 250 MHz doing about 500 GH/s, or run in 'economy mode' at 206.5 MHz doing about 415 GH/s (and anything in between).

Cheers

Check that there is no IP conflict with other units (that this Antminer is setup to a unique IP, my preference is to stick with fixed addresses on the wired WAN setting). 
Make sure that there are no typo's in the pool settings (had one of those on my very first S1, thought it was DOA).
If these fail to solve it, try first to do a Reboot (System, reboot tab, click 'reboot now').
Failing that, make sure that all of your ribbon cable connectors are fully pushed into their sockets, and follow the same connection pattern as on the working units (see post above where another user had an issue with the connector not fully engaged).
You can also swap power supplies etc.

Cheers

finally got one to day after weeks of mining .  I even went to bitmain site to order one they stopped selling it , then i found another site that had it on sell for 209 as i was ordering it it sold out so two days ago i was on E bay that was my last resort before i bought it off amazon and tired to work a deal with some one there i won't get into how that went so I  ended up buying one off of amazon this morning for 266 free shipping .  its was shipped all most right way i was very impressed with how fast he shipped it. may be Friday i get to have some upgrade fun .



Happy mining

cya

its not the money i wont buy any more unless its be low 200


 it was more for the fun of doing it .

Has anyone had issues with missing parts??  I got mine and was missing one set of the 2x10 pin cables.  Next quest...is there anywhere that I can order these cables from??  I emailed Bitmain and they wont send them to me unless I place another order from them...Seems like bad business, but whatever.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Are you sure they are 10 pin cables?
Heres one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/360941816064?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/360941816064?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108)

And here's an 8 way on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/92315-0810-Molex-Cable-Assembly-Flat-8-Way-100mm-/360941816061?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5409cf08fd (http://www.ebay.com/itm/92315-0810-Molex-Cable-Assembly-Flat-8-Way-100mm-/360941816061?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item5409cf08fd)

The S1 upgrade kit was probably the biggest favor bitmain has offered it's customers, and I'm glad I bought mine when I did. Naturally it occurred to me with the glut of S1 for sale on ebay as people bail on mining, why not pick up a few units specifically to upgrade once bitmain restocked and started selling the kits again. Thank God I sent an email to bitmain before buying S1s for that purpose. Here's how it went.

2014-10-08 5:52 GMT+08:00

    Are you going to start reselling the S1 upgrade kit? If so when? Please respond. Thank you

Hi,
it's discontinued, consider other product to try:)

Best Regards

BITMAIN

The upshot, the upgrade kits which produced a cooler running, faster, more stable unit than the S3+, were cannibalizing bitmain's sales of the new S3+ units. Not good for their bottom line. If your sitting on a bunch of S1 waiting to upgrade them, you'll want to get what you can for them, as quickly as you can, before your left with a bunch of overpriced boat anchors. Thanks Bitmain, I'm taking my business elsewhere.

Hi!
Got my upgrade kit today. I followed the youtube video. Everything went well and i powered it up. Lights strt to blink on the control boards and the Lan connection. Then i went upstairs to my computer to make the firmware update to S3 firmware. Before i managed to login to my upgraded S1 i hear suddenly that the fans started to blow full power making lot of noise and went down stair to check. Found that no lights were blinking. One led light (red) were barely lighten up on the new controller board, you almost couldnt see it.

I checked all the cables tried with 2 PSU (Corsair CX600) at the same time. no progress =(

Any ideas or tips? Is my upgrade kit f****d up? =(

Thanks

Seems unlikely you blew the control board.  Unplug and replug all the cables.  Make sure none are reversed, and all are seated properly. 

hope so. I did that, checked that they were seated. You can only put the cables one way? gonna check the cables one more time little bit later.
I should have enough power with a corsair cx600?

Yes, that should be plenty of power.  I put together six of them and had no problems with any.  Some people here had issues due to cables not being properly seated.  Make sure no pins are bent as well.  Of course, it's always possibly you got a bad board, but you'd be the first I heard of.

If you could, build the unit back as S1 and see if it functions.  If it works, then convert it to S3+ again.

Please check each cable to make sure they are seated well. 

When you upgrade, please upgrade the firmware to S3 as S1 frequency is way to high for S3+ unit.

If you rebuilt the S1 and it works, but then S3+ will not work after the upgrade, please contact the seller for after sales support.  If you purchased it from Ebay or Amazon or any other online retailers, you may be entitled to a full or partial refund per their policy

Yes; i read about it too about cables not been seated.
The weird thing is that it worked for 30-60 sec when i went upstairs. And now the red led on the "S3" board barely lights up and fans on full speed. Maybe a faulty "S3" board then. Or could it be something wrong with the S1 control board?
What should i do? =(
Thanks for the replies.

Where did you buy it????

If you can, try to build it back into S1, then hard reset the control card.  From there, you can upgrade the firmware to S3+

Hope this will fix it, if not RMA...  :'(

So you should update the firmware before you dissemble your S1? Could try it have to just order more thermal paste first.
RMA?
Have to go to sleep now. Gonna look at it tommorow.
Thanks

I'm not looking at it at the moment, but I seem to recall a small black reset button on the control board.  You might try that, if it's there and I'm not imagining things.  Should be the same as an S3 to reset.  I seem to recall as well that if you're only getting one red light, it means it needs to be reset.  But beyond that, who knows?  Just trying to help.

Yes, there is a reset button on the smaller S1 cotrol board and i tried it yesterday and didnt help =( Havent looked but is there a reset button on the bigger control board also?
But the red light on the bigger control board is so weak that you almost cant see it, doesnt light up as led lights on my other S1. So something is wrong =(
Gonna try some stuff when i get home later and see where i stand.
Thanks for the reply mate =)

Didn't help with the f/w update to S3 =( The controller board lighted up nicely on another S1 and updated the f/w without problems when i made the update.
Looks like (hope) the S3 control board is broken rather than the hashing boards....

Anyone here is stuck with some S1 Controller Board, cable and heatsink ? I'm looking for those (2 controllers, 2 set of cables and 4 heatsink)

Thanks !

Edit: PM Me :P

I've got an upgraded S1 to the S3+ kit unit that has stopped functioning. It still power's up, and shows up on the mining page. The green light on the controller card blinks, but no beeping. I dont know how to reset, as you would an S3, I've upgraded the firmware, and rebooted, and powered down and back up. No luck. does anyone have any ideas?

Is it possible to get the upgrade kits? If so, where??

thanks

They were discontinued shortly after they were shipped.

Yes, i was right. Bought an S3 couple of weeks ago and tried my S1 upgrade kit hash boards on it and the work fine. It's the S1 upgrade kit control board which doesn't work =(

Gonna try to ask Bitmaintech if i can get/buy a new one.

there are still these kits?

Anyone happen to have one of these kits laying around they want to get rid of?

Yep you and the other thousand orders that bitmain is not interested in. Maybe they'll release an upgrade kit to the S7.

Seems to me like a great opportunity here for someone to step in and make upgrade kits for all the S1 and S2 boxes out there, it would be like printing BTC.  If only I had the know-how and resources...

Thats wishful thinking ..... I actually thought we were very close to that but bitmain are having none of it thus far. Case in mind was the much touted / dubbed C2, or water-cooled S5 where bitmain had come to an understanding with syscooling to sell them boards and they do a design and group buy. Bitmain pulled the plug at the last minute! I've also heard noises that bitmain are agnostic to selling boards (aka upgrade kits) anymore because it costs them a lot to test the boards .... apparently!
So there ...

From what I gather in order to test the boards, they have to mount them, and then dis-assemble and package which is more time-consuming then shipping out tested miners.  The other issue with s1-s2 upgrades at this point, is that many of the newer style chips are dissipating heat through the front of the chip more so than through the PCB.  AsicMiner commented that they would not be retrofitting Tube/Prismas with their newer design even once it's released because it doesn't handle heat in the same way.

Put the hashing chips on the backside of the PCB and everything else taller than the chips on the other side... "et voila", you can retrofit.
It was at least as hard to find this idea as to find the idea of using a string design (already used in the one string miner project for example) to reduce manufacturing costs and gain a little efficiency.

Right, but what's stopping a 3rd party from stepping in and offering upgrades?  That's what I'm surprised hasn't happened.  Someone (several someones) could start a business doing nothing else and I'm sure it would be profitable.  Oh well, wishful thinking as you said...  ;D

Yeah like AsicMiner.  We know they don't test their boards first anyways!  ;D

Good point J4bber, but why would a company like AsicMiner choose not to retrofit their existing heatsink/fan assemblies if it was as feasible as you say?  By reducing the end-cost of each new-gen miner to their consumers, they could in reality mark-up the assembled PCB boards more than if they were selling complete units, and people would still be able to ROI.

Price of the chips and assembly.
8-9 month ago, I was seriously interested in buying chips to build my own miners.
The cost of the chips alone was close to the full miner from the same manufacturers, and sometimes, the chips were even more expensive than buying a miner.

Some manufacturers were having a MOQ of over 20 000$.
With chips being obsolete and losing value every week, you also need to calculate how fast you need to make the assembly and sell the mining units before they are worth nothing.
The timeframe is really short between the date you pay for the chips, and the time you need to have everything sold.
Do you remember the Avalon 1, or maybe we can take BFL Monarch, or black arrow prosperos as an example.

Anyway, the main issue here is that there is no point in paying 20-30% more for something homemade when fully working units are available from the manufacturer.
And those 20-30% too expensive prices don't include any profit for the one who is assembling the boards... just chips, components, PCB, heatsinks.

Well when you put it like that it certainly makes sense.  Thanks.  8)

The price of the chips costing so much has to do with volume.
I'm sure to buy 100 is expensive as a full miner giver or take. The companies making the miners
has no incentive to sell hardware that can mine more than they sell for.
Once the machine is ran for a while, sell it get a new one and repeat. Sell the crumbs to the peasents.
Name one mining manufacturer who isn't actually mining with their own hardware?
Yea we're nothing but capital to them.
Plus the more hardware you sell, the higher the diff goes up and it makes it harder on everyone to make a buck.
The labor in china in assembling a miner can't be more than the cost of one chip.
I'm sure labor overhead is the least of their concerns in China.

Spring festival ends soon. Maybe they come back from the festival with some good news for us.

A few more days, then the vacation be over...   :'( :'( :'(

Happy New Year!!!