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I locked this thread. 

I do not think PandaMIner is good to buy from.








Some thanks to nu2mining  his posts here on this thread annoyed me at first since I still was stuck on Chinese version of the

 windows 10 enterprise  2015 LTSB  


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1735560.0

I am striking the info below it is not up to date but I want it to stay intact.  Please go to link above if you want to read more  up-to-date info
on the windows 10 enterprise LTSB software in the pandaminer.


I am not a lawyer  and do not pretend to know the law.

But I think this is very gray.  

I AM TELLING MICROSOFT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR A SINGLE PC CODE THAT ACTIVATES THE WINDOWS 10 ENTERPRISE LTSB 2015 ON THE PANDAMINER WHICH SOLVES ALL THE ISSUES WITH THIS OS ON THIS PC.


New info linux works on this!


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736623.msg17373579#msg17373579



But he was spot on  the version on my pandaminer looks to be not a legal version for usa use.  which was why it may have been so hard to convert to english.  nu2mining started a thread.  i kept doing research and found a site that spoof windows  they give you an activation code and tell you what to do with it.  The code they give matches the code in my pandaminer which means I have a boot leg windows 10 at least for the USA. I do not know any laws in any other countries.  



Update to windows 10  on my unit.


For now I am halting review.

Here is why



I photos of my activation attempt.

My pc  activation code has the last numbers -76DF9


https://i.imgur.com/AdkbvgM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XhmtRad.jpg


And screen shots of a way to spoof windows activation with kms



So any one buying this gear  needs to understand that there is an issue with the windows 10 enterprise ltsb license

note the code in my pandaminer matches the code in the tutorial on spoofing activation


https://i.imgur.com/4B2H3Aa.png

 note the codes match each other.
https://i.imgur.com/oLWp9cV.png


For now I am halting review.

Until I get a new msata and load a new windows 10  



Edit
Just getting thread ready for to night.

SO far I have this psu coming today

The EVGA 1600 g2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MMLUIE8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?


The pandaminer has left Cincinnati and I will get it later today.

teaser  I will do much more in the next few days



The unit arrived late on Friday.

I am using an evga 1600 g2 power supply and usa 120 volt power.
I am using a kill-a-watt meter.




https://i.imgur.com/MJuARGH.jpg

And it powers up and I am in Chinese windows 10 .

I did manage to get msi afterburner to load.

So what do I do to switch from chinese windows 10 to english?

I got it to work in chinese/english mix

good numbers  1600h and  1035 watts

using a evga 1600g2

sound is 70-71 db at 34 inches

Chinese windows 10? Dam.. nothing worse that hunting for the change language section when its nothing but crazy symbols!

Look forward to the report though.

Quick question what model of DB meter is that you have there?

the meter is a sper scientific 840029.

this seems to have 4g cards that do about 205h each.

it is a fucking monster .  

20 inches wide and 8 inches deep 4 inches high.

Open Control Panel

Open Region (icon is a clock in front of the earth)

The first field: is the language selection field.

select English; then OK or Apply at the bottom of the window

70 DB is not too bad its about the same as a conversation, i would of expected a little higher to be honest!

can you post a photo of this





here is a screen shot of it poolside


https://i.imgur.com/YjhAB7V.png



and after an upgrade from claymore 9.1  to claymore 9.3


https://i.imgur.com/OCEKfnZ.png

Why not make a clean win7_64 install ?

If I would be panda and chinese, I would be afraid of loosing my face, in this "language" case.

The producer decides about the market of his (alpha?) product ^^ .

... just my 2 cents.


 8) PanneKopp

here are a series of shots going thru the process:

https://postimg.org/gallery/2i5w98wtm/ (https://postimg.org/gallery/2i5w98wtm/)

basically open any folder

then click the > and you will get a drop down menu

select the control panel icon

select the large text for ( Clock, Language, and Region )

select the large text for Region

select English from the first field

click ok or Apply

Language switch is harder then it looks


I get to this spot


https://postimg.org/image/4swbdebhl/


 and all choices are written in chinese





many photos

box is 32 inches long

https://i.imgur.com/cVDh9F2.jpg

box is   13  inches wide

https://i.imgur.com/vAImj76.jpg

has the good foam   comes with a power cord that does not work in usa
and has a custom psu  which  will allow for a   c13 to 5-15p usa power cord    the psu need 220-240 volts
https://i.imgur.com/7mJFdJQ.jpg




unit on left   psu on right
https://i.imgur.com/bCxIgH6.jpg

width of unit is  7.5- 8 inches
https://i.imgur.com/ElCMneE.jpg


length of unit is 19.75-20 inches
https://i.imgur.com/TtGYolU.jpg






https://i.imgur.com/r9tjFGe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/k7xitiA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/soQpACP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s2ygF1K.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GYOyXEp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XRv0buk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JXjvaNT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NUyJREm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wLFyJYF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7lfUyzZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hoT5HGi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QyScgUC.jpg

Since every noise db meter is different, how is it in noise compared to an S5, S7?

Claymore zcash which version? Fans - adjustable speed?
CPU, RAM?

Where is the official sale for this miner?  found one site but looks like cheap photoshop graphics to "lure" you in..

Nice photos, always good to see unboxing speeds look good too from the photo's

s5 s7 s9 all are hasty pitched

this is better.  if I wanted to I could run it in my garage




@
UGMZ

http://www.pandaminer.com/

@

charles2k  claymore 9.1  don't know about any fan adjustments since the gpu's don't have fans


I am working at  switching it to english.

So Phil  if you can't get it to fully switch to English  what will you do?

First thing it is a beast.

I went on one of the other pc's and loaded clay  9.3 onto a usb stick then put it on this machine

running clay 9.3 with ssl  and I am doing 8 x 217 = 1736  

the watts at the wall with the evga 1600 g2 =       1062

 
so for zec  you could get away with the evga 1300 g2
I suspect you need the evga 1600 g2 for eth.
this has 8  4gb gpus rx 480's

I did get a 240 volt only psu with it.  that is supposed to be able to run it.

I will f with that over the few days.

It is late and I am going to crash.

I have part english   on this. I may not be able to full choose english.

I am not going to f with the windows 10 ssd as I do not want to   erase any important info.


9.3 is 1736 h 1062 watts
9.1 is 1630 h 1033 watts?



This is fucking genius   the jacks do not allow you to reverse the pcie cable
absolutely brillant
https://i.imgur.com/JXjvaNT.jpg

find the person that thought of this  and make this on all miners!

https://i.imgur.com/NUyJREm.jpg

Here it is doing clay 9.1

https://i.imgur.com/wLFyJYF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7lfUyzZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hoT5HGi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QyScgUC.jpg

Looks like I have a big plate of crow to eat! Fantastic looking piece of kit. I still don't see the point vs building your own 7 or 8 GPU rig, though. Especially when it comes time to sell the hardware or upgrade.. But this is good for quick deployment and people who are clueless when it comes to building a PC.

the unit has nice size.
Fit is good parts are quality.

If you look closely the power button is small. A complaint.
The case is nice sturdy.
The fans are quality
The seven jacks that take in the six pin pcie cables are designed to prevent upside entry see photo.

So outside looks good.

I will open case.
I want to pull the ssd and load a fresh windows install.

I read on micro soft website that certain windows builds of ten can not switch from Chinese to English you can get a mix at best.   So far the best I can do is get it to do,some English but the internet is still giving me all
Chinese which sucks.

I got claymore 9.3 to work on a different pc I then copied it to a USB stick.

I pulled the keyboard put the USB stick In as the panda has two USB .

Then i simply clicked on the 9.3 file and boom. 1630 is now about 1740. Watts 1030 became 1060.

A miner doing 1740 with 1060 watts is nice. But this unit is very small.  I believe you can fit a lot more gear in the right spot.

Hi Phil, how about the temperature of this box?

Well just in my case at 1760mh and 1060 watts at my winter rate of 10c kwh (which is weird...should be 11c may really be that) and my summer rate of 14c kwh starts may 15th)

anyway at the above NOW at 10c kwh I get $0.25/hr $5.92/day $41.41 a week $177.48 a month and $2159.39 a year...again at that 10c rate (which won't last)

soooo..there is a whole 'nother' kettle of fish to consider

I used this link for this

http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/zcash-mining-calculator (http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/zcash-mining-calculator)

I COULD (in that I will mine enough LTC or scrypt next year to use this at the 100% equipment deduction with IRS thus 25% off taxes owed all allowed 1st year) as a deduction in 2017
I COULD justify that ..kinda sorta ....toy wise

That would knock my real $$$ invested from what was it? at $2130 down to say $1597.50 for the unit?...kinda tempting IF you believe Z-cash can survive at these
higher and higher difficulties....and/or gpu mining in general..kinda/sorta

unsure...but anyway as an aside use the above calculator or the above home business tricks if in the USA and see where you stand

some folk on bitcointalk at 4c kwh on here and the equip deduction above (if you mine enough coin and legal with IRS) this would make sense I guess

but damn 30 day warranty...sheesh....one bad bump from china and your so screwed in shipping damage :(

interesting thou it is :)

edit:

Public Service Announcement .....coward runs away like small child :(

In the interest of FAIRNESS on here ..I HAD $4K of equip (10 gpu cards 2 rigs rx 480 etc etc) that I just dumped for $3K with the addtitional PSU's (server 2560) I can use
on Titans in basement as an upgrade etc (psu's $600 for both)

Again I just 'punted' and took the 1K loss (again with next years loss put on 2017 Taxes that will hopefully be about $750 buck loss on the 2 units in real money..I now I can
get $250 usd back in real money that way in 2017). I was looking at zCash and ethereum etc and made 750k on the lisk pos coin ICO....thus went what the heck..it all is/was
treading water....dump the GPU's get the PSU's and you can see my 'yellow back' sprinting towards the trees as I leave you all on the gpu/zcash/ethereum battle field (I so
relieved...er I mean ashamed) :(

So I'm calling the 2 efforts with the loss on the GPU's and the small pump on the LISK above a draw and saving the last 3k on this 'experiment' ....gave a buddy with better electric etc a deal so at least HE can ROI on this....so tossed self overboard....only one can survive imho :)

You can all tell me how wrong I was but 'punted' and ran away like a small child when this all takes off not the first boat I probably missed nor the last :(

maybe I'm learning something in crypto? Anyway 3k in hand left in BTC seems the better bet...I also got to keep the server PSU's ($600) on the 2 units at 2560watts
I want to use on Titans at home (already paid) so hell I ran like the wind.......a lot of running about this last 5 months for oranges to oranges...but hey us small
children scare easy!

just thought I'd toss that out their so you can see the cowards way on this whole GPU revival on pow coins
and everyone has this thread/bitcointalk I'm on record so you can give me grief on this someday ..if this is yet another boat missed....

So take anything I say on anything GPU related this or other stuff with a grain of salt...again I am running away as fast as possible .......(its true) alas...

Just made it to the trees...you guys really, really did not have to fire at my back to increase my sprint (as*hole*s) ..but good luck with the war!

I now end this 'public service' announcement of my cowardice in the face of GPU and POW mining endeavors.....and 'slink' away....

(now on bleachers watching from sidelines)


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f1/d0/de/f1d0de131fc88ddbae64fe5dd74abc9f.jpg

what's the point of this if the consumption is way higher than a normal rig with 6 x 480 or 470?

a 6 x 470 rig can do 600 watt 1400-1500, that thing consume more than 1k watt for just the same hash...

Gotta assume that the voltage is stock on these, so lots of potential to save power with undervolting.

Speaking of which, Phil can you confirm if watttool and afterburner works on these? Maybe also grab a screenshot of gpu-z? Also, if you're going to reinstall windows I'd advise doing that on a new drive and keeping the original, or of you don't have a spare drive at least clone the drive so you can revert if need be.

Also, what driver version did the rig ship with? I wonder if Windows is genuine or if it's cracked. Either way, I don't think I'd want to keep a Chinese version of Windows on there. Windows is bad enough in terms of spying on users, I can't even imagine what China would demand of Microsoft to give them permission to distribute the OS over there.

It is a farm solution so they can have more gpus in less space, as well won't have to dick around building rigs.  Maybe once it is undervolted then the power consumption will be more in line, also this looks like a 8 gpu model.

The miner is interesting though, i didn't realize it was a full computer with hdd all in one.

Bummer, means using it in a enclosed rack would be a challenge if not impossible as I thought because of cables sticking out of both sides.

I would caution reloading windows because they may have altered the OS to support a GPU hack if they re-flashed them. I would use another SSD if you are going to test a reload.

My First Impressions:

Pro's I see:

• This thing looks like a great starting point for someone that doesn't know anything but wants to GPU Mine
• The design appears to be good

Con's I see:

• The enclosed rack issue may be an issue for some
• Fan Noise is crazy, that's louder than my A4

Concerns I have:

• We are on the cusp of AMD's next generation cards being out in a few months, I expect that the RX4x0 series cards will price drop slightly -- will the Pandaminer price drop by then?
• Fan life, I assume they are running at high rpms constantly -- I wonder what the life expectancy will be and how easy it will be to get replacement fans. I would try to determine this information in your review.

Other Thoughts:

• I hate the power button
• I wish they would have gone taller instead of wider so you could have the cables out the back instead of the sides

I think if you undervolt, you can get better power numbers.

Overall, this is very interesting, but the 30days even 6 months warranty makes it pretty much worthless in my eye, it cannot beat the 2-3+ years you get on normal GPU's.

Phil - can you get into BIOS and see if boot via USB is possible - I reckon any modern custom mobo should do the trick but just incase this panda mobo is fixed format to boot only from its own SSD - anyways pls see if you can take some pix. I interested to see it booting Linux (SM or ethOS) from a USB stick. Thanks.

Thanks for sharing this very initial information on pandaminer.

Just a few comments:
1. Would you consider reorg all your comments into the first post for better readability? You may make it chronological log style.
2. I read somewhere that they made the power switch inconvenient  to avoid accidental shutdown.
3. I can help you with Chinese translation if you ever need a hand.
4. One of my concerns is the genuity of their Win 10 copy. I don't think they have a volume licensing agreement with MSFT and this could mean violations of software license. In reality one could get away in 99.9% of the case but it does not justify the legality of such action. In your case, you are doing us a great favor but keep in mind your review is in public.

I wondered this myself. Also if it's a hacked Chinese version of Windows 10, who knows what kind of backdoors or vulnerabilities it may have....

IMO they should be providing the license key information for the Copy of Windows 10 provided. To do anything less is a violation of MS Reseller/EULA.

this change everything of course, i'm curious now on the possible final consumption after the right tweak

Ok, at first i wasn't directly planning on posting anything regarding this but oh well.

Anyhow, i ordered one myself.

I will obviously as i can't handle myself, get the roms of those mxm cards, modify them as hard and as stable as i can, meaning, custom timings, no copy pasting ;), downvolting and last but not least, i'm going to put a linux os on this thing.

I will get mine (if everything is right) this monday.

I will report back with info and details.

Greetings!

Few more shots.

So I ask again  what happens if you can not do a better conversion of language?

Well I will work on it next year  I have a party to go to today ;D

To be serious I will open case up on Monday  to see if I can put a different ssd in it and load a windows 10.

I ran it overnight in my basement den temp in the den went from 81f to 84f

I did six or seven  infra red the out side of the case was 81 f to 88 f  really impressed with that.

It still was doing 1700 h on 1060 watts.

 lots more photos:

moved it to the garage

https://i.imgur.com/xEZq38U.jpg

this rack can fit 6 four card diy builds
or 6 eight card panda units.

https://i.imgur.com/b8VYjVP.jpg

13 amps at 240 volts
https://i.imgur.com/LCaZkl3.jpg

17 amps at 240 volts

https://i.imgur.com/50iu3nF.jpg

This is quite interesting.  Has Pandaminer said anything about upgrade options when new GPU's are released into the market?  Can this rig be upgraded to preserve some of the investment? 

it is a good question.

This is a good unit

the imac uses

AMD Radeon R9 M395 graphics processor with 2GB of GDDR5 memory

Configurable to AMD Radeon R9 M395X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory



http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/


so these are rx 480 they could be possible upgrade for the imac.

Before the RX 480s, my first "high end" card was the 390s which was at least a "1 year old' card when I bought some and thats was end of 2015 during the ETH hey days.

The 390s today is still quite an impressive work horse, very much the same as their 290/290x generations before that but with faster memory. Both are power hoggers though...

Then came the Polaris cards, 480s and 470s were nice because of the price-point, lower power consumption, decent hash power and easily rom modded further to get that extra juice.

I think the 480 will still be around in a year or two, unless the 490 / Vega series is quantum leaps ahead of 480s in terms of core clocks and high speed memory - which we need, in the memory intensive top coins. A optimised undervolted 480 rig today can already dip well below 150w or lower TDP per card. So 480 to 490, how far more can it go.... I doubt if everyone will queue to buy 490s to replace the 480s.

IMHO, I think 1-2 years from now, I bet the 480s are still the workhorses of GPU farms, just like their 290s/390s did prior. The only difference now is how low can the power consumption go still -- at what MHs performance ratio.

Maybe the more experienced miners can feedback.... because I know a number of them have brought back their Scrypt/LTC rigs of yester-years from the dead and still got decent $$$ mining ETH, ZEC and XMR.

The 480 powered Pandaminer I think will be worth investing and keeping for at least 1-2 years in the mining game, unless something drastic happens... like the unexpected rise of CPU mining.

Anyways, this is just my observation from mining just under 1.5 years now.

Appreciate comments from more experienced miners out there.

Have a great New Year 2017 and have safe holidays ahead!

I would think the cards in here do not need an upgrade for at least a year to 16 months.

for me  getting an english windows 10 will be important.  I am not going to try until monday.

 it is in my garage and is not nasty sound like the s-5 s-7 s-9 from antminer.

So my fears were hot and loud and chinese gui.

it is under 90f to the touch.  a plus
while loud the pitch is lower then I thought it would be so a plus

chinese windows 10 is driving me nuts.  biggest flaw for me.

Do I think it is good yes assuming they ship them to you on time.
They did do the no risk shipping to me and they will not do this for others . I still have yet to pay for it.

lets see if some known people that ordered get theirs timely.
lets see how they hold up. for a bit.

but the size factor is really good.  the heat seems good.

I am yet to test the stock psu it is 220-240 volts only. 

Do I recommend it yes but we need to understand down side.

Short warranty.
Chinese windows 10 is very hard to make fully english _______ this just may be my stupidity but I did read some windows 10 software builds will not allow full switch to english. only a mix.
we do not know how fast they will ship to you.

If I had a 3 cent warehouse   I would want a lot of these.

I am pretty sure I will keep it.  So I am selling gear to pay for it.

I think I will order one to the UK to have a play about with it.
Won't be till mid January but I will keep you posted on delivery times ect.

Please let us know how long it takes for delivery.

To anyone that gets one please post info here.

To any one that knows how to make language changes from Chinese to  English please show.

So far I can not enter bios.

There is at least  1 script  that gets you past the sign in on windows 10 and opens to the normal window .

You can upgrade claymore from 9.1 to claymore 9.2 or 9.3. By. Using another pc to build the 9.3. Load to a USB stick and plug into this unit..

For the community we need to be able to. Change languages .


  Maybe load a different windows 10.  I will try to do this on a new ssd keeping old ssd safely on the side.

Might be something they would consider sorting out make it easier to get full EN language.
Or release versions with it pre-set to EN might be a worth while exercise for them.

They could probably just do a little config script app that would start the first time automatically @ the start of the windows, that would allow you to change language, enter the few needed wallet & workers names to autoconfigure the different miners and such :) and be available as an icon on the desktop to be redone when you need to change up things.

Phil - any indication that mobo detects boot image on usb stick - or does it goes straight to windows?

maybe get CDROM via USB to see if it detects external boot up device, or better still that linux image I mentioned in PM?

Thanks

Oh. Yea.. Linux FTW.. Can't beat a bit of command line!  ;)

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.

A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.

With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.

This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.

The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.

As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.

I don't mine nvidia cards but if you are correct

you need to spend 399 per card 5 x 400 = 2000 + 300 is 2300

   so the 1070 gets 375h?   if so it would be better.  but I dont use them.  do you have a rig of nvidia 1070 mining   if so please place a screen shot showing 5 cards getting around 1800-1900 h  and please show the 850 watts at the wall.

Not to mention you need to have some way to mount them all which cost's money where as this comes in one unit plug and play. Buying cards and setting them up requires additional work and investment.

can you post screen copy from CPU-Z and GPU-Z?

just curious... which CUDA ZEC miner are you using that can produce 1900 sols from 5 x 1070s?

To me I tend to agree with your thoughts on the ability to reuse, upgrade, sell, and get support for components of my gpu rigs so the "disposable nature of the Pandaminer is not appealing to me.  

I am pretty sure I can get at least one upgrade cycle done during the time frame that the Pandaminer will be in service.  So during the life of the miner I will have been able to recoup some of my costs in GPU's for the next gpu upgrade and at the end of it I will still be able to sell the existing GPU's for their residual value to put into the wider ranging upgrades that will be needed due to age, wear, tear, and newer technology.  So I think in the end the self built rigs with better warranties make more sense.

However there are some caveats.  If you are not experienced building rigs, don't want to build rigs, don't have the time, energy, or want to put in the effort to source, build, and yes FIGHT with the stinking things on a routine basis then the Pandaminer fits the bill.  

You buy "something", it just works, and when you are done there will still be some residual value left in it.  The Pandaminer could greatly simplify GPU mining for those that don't want to mess with it.  Set it and forget it.  This product makes sense for that market.

The Pandaminer doesn't appeal to me because I think the numbers stack in favor of the custom built rigs with better warranties.  YMMV

I am finding this thread interesting.  I guess I am hoping there is some sort of silver lining here and my concerns  are addressed regarding the lifecycle management to make this make more sense to me.  So I will hang around for a bit. ;D

nicehash or ewbf miner do 380 sol per gpu at 100 watt each, they are the best gpu to mine zec currently

Have you tried ETH or XMR on the machine yet?

-Phil
   these only cost $382 each if you get them 2 at a time from Jet:  
   https://jet.com/product/ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-1070-Mini-ZT-P10700G-10M-8GB-GDDR5/bec46d48b9ca4e82966cc6f9e2cdb6a8 (https://jet.com/product/ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-1070-Mini-ZT-P10700G-10M-8GB-GDDR5/bec46d48b9ca4e82966cc6f9e2cdb6a8)

   I usually use 6x cards with OC and powerlimit so my estimate was a little off.  

   This is without any OC or powerlimit ( and these 1070's are clocked lower than most )

-citronick
   Using Ubuntu 16.04 with EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner 0.0.8b ( no modifications -- exact stock settings )
   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707546.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707546.0)

-UGMZ
   I make my own frames with parts from 8020.net ~$80 each

-Longsnowsm
   Linux is way more stable than any Windows build;  almost 100% uptime.  It really isn't that hard to setup with stock settings either.

-Amph
   Yes, I agree.  However, I don't like the NiceHash payout fee; its kind of high.

https://s28.postimg.org/yrwy4w7pp/IMG_0041.jpg

https://s28.postimg.org/acoq3u8st/IMG_0042.jpg

Okay so your build is about same price and does 1820 sol and  860 watts.

So if someone goes your route as a small farm it is possible is better.


Size the panda miner is far better  physical setup is fast.

So In 6 hours you could have 20 panda miners mining and using ½ the size of your setup.
I always felt this was more of a mass unit setup then a garage setup.

The real edge of your setup is you can use the language you want.

I am still stuck with a blend of chinese and english.

If I brick it on monday when I try to install windows 10 on a new ssd  you would certainly be correct.

Once again anyone with a definitive method of making any language work on the gear please post.

I can not get msi afterburner to work
I can not get amd setting to work.
the hdmi jack that works is the one for the intel video
the hdmi jack that works for the gpus goes to black screen

All software issues and these need to be overcome to really see if the gear can be tweaked.
I am kind of stymied for now but will let it mine on.

to all Chinese americans or chinese nationals reading this if you can help me please do.




And  it is cranking along.



https://i.imgur.com/YHgReNl.png

I think each setup has its advantages and disadvantages to be honest.

Phill dose hit the nail on the head its out the box kinda stuff for the less "advanced" setup user. Also the ascetics are far betting having a nice box there and would look better in home setting,

I look forward to more post's regarding the miner phil,  Will sidehack be getting his hands onto one of these to see if there is any "tweeks" that could be achieved on these machines!

well it is costly.  for me to keep it I will need to sell more gear.  I sold a few hundred usd in parts.

I listed a xfx hd 7970

I will be selling  some mobos psus  and gpus etc.

When it gets warmer  I may ship it to sidehack  maybe he can tweak it a bit.

I don't have a ton of time over this weekend part starts in an hour.  it is right across the street which means I can drink since I wont be driving.

therefore sunday is shot.

 i Hope to tackle the language barrier on monday.

I have a windows 10
 I have the panda 8
I have a mac mini

will setup 3 screens  with the above and see if I can get it to do english. or any language italian or spanish and the wife could help.


it is hard to work with  whenever I get a pop up it tends to be fully chinese I don't want to click it so I power the machine off wait a few minutes then boot.  would not worry doing this but the small power button  is delicate.

I may just boot with no hard drive to see if I can get to the bios.

holy fuck no, 70db is loud as hell !

So you cannot select your location, keyboard, language and all of the normal stuff in Windows to correct the Chinese on the screen?  That sounds a little odd.  Does this link help? http://www.howtogeek.com/232659/how-to-change-the-display-language-in-windows-10/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/232659/how-to-change-the-display-language-in-windows-10/)

it is  louder then the avalon 721


avalon 721
avalon 6


panda 8


s-5
s-7
s-9




the s-5 would do 69-72  but sounded nasty
the s-7 a little louder and if you got a whistler it was bad
the s-9 a little louder  and the whistler sound bad.

I can mine the panda 8 in my garage with no fan adjustments all stock settings.

the s-7 and s-9 were too loud

its true.  I guess its the high pitch of the antminers that was the worst.

Not even a valid comparison as not the same hardware and your PSU, CPU, SSD, OS, power riser and rig frame is free??  I keep hearing people say stuff like this without data to back it up.  But this is not even a valid argument.  This is like comparing building your own PC vs getting a All in one computer.  Different purposes and target consumers.  Can you deploy 100 rigs doing self build as fast as these plug and play??  What is your time worth.  Now compare the cost of 8 x 480 plus a 1600w psu.  That'd already $2k.  What about CPU, MB, SSD, Ram, 8 power risers, rig frame?   I have 40 rigs now and just the time to open and store all the boxes for gpu, cpu, psu, etc is a long time.  I bough the 14 Nvidia from hearing people claiming all the greatness, quite frankly they sucks. Just like with rx480, a lot depends on your luck with the ram as not all of them can be boosted as high.  There are market for these, let's not thread crap.  The only sucky point is the crappy 45 days warranty and chinese OS but if those asic are easy to replace and upgrade, this is an ultimate solution for large farms.  If I can upgrade my asic to say 490 or Fury and sell old ones to others, etc.  The former factor is also very good for heat management. 

These are mobile based GPU cards...there is almost a zero market for these, and there is no off the shelf parts that you can just buy and upgrade. This form factor is made OEM by laptop manufactures so good luck finding next gen GPU upgrades...and if you do somehow happen to find them, good luck selling your old cards aftermarket.

This has the cons of an ASIC system into a GPU system...makes no sense.

so it is possible to any windows 10
change any interface language
I did so on pandamayner



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1el5D15vII

how to change interface language windows 10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckMx_LHUdUg

You are missing the point I am making.  The market segment for this is same as AIO or build to order PC which are higher price then build it yourself.  If you have sizeable farm like mine the time required to build it takes weeks vs a day with these plug and play to certain extent as u have to change the language.  I am saying it is a bonus on top "IF" the cards are changeable and I don't see why not if u look at their site, the gpu looks like easy to swap and as Phillip say it's like a gpu for imac.  If so why wouldn't their be a marker for them?? I can sell mine those other panda owners who have failed gpus.  If your unit is still running good, why is there no resell market for these?? It's no difference then reselling an out of warranty S7 or S9.   If it can hash and is making money people will buy.  The point I am making is that there ARE people who want this.  If you are not one of them, continue your way with what you're building now as this is a review thread on this unit not NVIDIA  or how I can build x for less, etc.

Yes, I Love this Panda Miners. I will buy 2 sets of panda miners. I can mine Monero, ZEC, ZCASH...
I will decide not to buy GPUs to setup a mining machine because I do not have much more experiences for setting up.

thank you  and happy new year.  I will look at these videos when I wake up in the morning.

Game changer miner indeed, great to see PandaMiner delivered this.  I can see a lot more applications beyond mining.

Assuming you had to reinstall Windows, are the drivers available? I hope more people on here can also test out running Linux on it before I jump in.

that sounds great with your knowledge you could create here a real beast :)

kinda a pity you cant just swap cpus to a more powerful one, might make a nice little scientific cruncher or renderer etc

We will see :)

Will most probably have results by the end of tomorrow (if they deliver on time ;))

Greetings and have a great first day of the year!

I will be testing with linux when I place my order and will add a updated to the topic once my box arrives!

Same for you, lot of Fun with your new Toy :)

it is activated I deleted your post but kept it quoted here.

I will  do this over the next day or two  delete the posts and quote them.

Okay I finally got this to switch to English.

So this is a Windows Enterprise   and it has a key and it seems to not be activated.

Still some residual Chinese after effects.

So here is the deal every post about this being bootleg or pirated  will be deleted .

I can not deal with the question at the moment and I am not going to waste time  since I am not sure at the moment.

I still am playing with the software  and I am a nuts and bolts type of guy not a software guy.

I will post a photo of the screen in English.

it's great to see the panda miner . I intend to buy some GPUs for mining machine.
but it seems more expensive than Panda miner selling here. I will change my decision to Panda miner.
I will spend some bitcoins for this fact.

phil, those heatsinks on the gpus, are they "standard" so to speak? like if you install new gpus you reuse the heatsinks. i would imagine they are as replaceable mobile gpus would kinda need to be standardized.

btw im a bit surprised you havent taken it apart yet (or have you?)

Guys I am deleting all posts on windows 10.

I had issues changing to English and it is now changed to English thanks to the YouTube videos posted by

Felix73.

This is a windows 10 enterprise edition with a key provided.

It won't activate at the moment but it happens to be 2017. My guess is by the end of the week Friday 6th. The activation will work.

I have not opened the case as of now.

Since it is now in English and also can be in multiple languages I will need a bit of time to figure more out about the included windows 10.

Others are getting the gear and will try a Linux install.

Hell I have not gotten into the bios as of now.  So I do not want to hear people talk about the software unless they have a machine and have real info on machine software tweaks and upgrades

Now that you got it switched to English how about some photos of gpu cpu the windows build whatever you got.

I did 2 more photos.
I installed gpu z
I installed cpu z

I am still stuck using the motherboard for display
And I can not seem to get into the motherboard bios as of today.


note lower right on second shot this is a windows 10  enterprise LTSB

according to wiki

the most stripped down version of windows 10 that there is.
as for the activating code there is one that is not working.

two reasons could be year change.


or  repeat use of code. So you may need an activation code. I will go back and edit a post on this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

WIKI TALKS ABOUT THIS :


   Enterprise LTSB

Windows 10 Enterprise Long Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) is similar to Windows 10 Enterprise but does not include Cortana, Windows Store, the Edge browser, Photo Viewer and the UWP version of Calculator (replaced by classic version), and will not receive any feature updates, gives companies more control over the update process. Windows 10 Enterprise N LTSB also lacks the same components absent in other N variants (see below), and it is the most stripped down edition of Windows 10 available.[4][6]

This is why getting the switch to English was a bit harder then other editions.

As of today My code may or may not be good.  So if you want to run a legal windows you may need to buy  an activation code.  Or maybe not
I will keep updating this.

And 1 update

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1303247-windows-10-ltsb-where-to-buy


https://i.imgur.com/1yV5mWv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jGlVpg3.jpg

Phil,

Is any way to install standard pack of software: Afterburner, Wattman, atiflash etc?

Hey Phil.  I will help you out.  In the first desktop picture.  There are icons with Chinese characters.  From the upper left corner.  To the right one column, 1st row.  The text file is "Mining Process Instruction step.txt".  Not a literal translation, but the closest translation.

1st column, row 4, Zcash plus a bunch of Chinese character.  It means "Zcash shortcut".
1st column, row 6.  "Cpu-Z 1.9 shortcut".
1st column, row 7. "360 extreme speed viewer" or "browser".  I've never seen that before.

Windows test mode allows unsigned drivers to be run and installed, and bypasses quite a bit of driver digital signature validation.

The team viewer on second column, row 7, allows remote desktop viewing.  May have the "share screen" function.  Don't know what version it is.  It's a collaboration tool.

The writing with black marker says "US" or "USA".
The tape on the box with blue characters.  It's upside down.  The upper (longer row) says "Please inspect package content before signing for the package."
The lower row Chinese characters says "Thank you for your business."

Very much appreciated.
I am going out with the wife to walk off the New Years party.
I will post the chrome page later and ask for more help.

To all I have found a place to buy activation codes for the build. So worst case is the gears activation code is bad. And you will need a code.
The place I found will sell a five pc code.
It could be pandaminers code is good and this is just a New Year's Eve issue.

Still mining very well.
Issues left are I do not know how to enter bios.
I loaded gpuz via chrome
I loaded CPUs z via chrome
I loaded chrome to a USB stick on a different pc.
Then load chrome from that stick.
Still mixes Chinese and English but better more English less Chinese.
I can get on bitcointalk.org via the chrome I loaded.

I use zero passwords or accounts on the unit due to security fears.

What I need to do is find out if I can load a new windows 10 on a new ssd.
And I need to understand why I must use the hdmi jack for the Intel CPU

Vs the hdmi jack for the gpus.

Loading AMD 16.11.3 and more of the same.

I do not want to brick the hdd / ssd so I will need. To open case tomorrow to decide if
Ram
CPU
Ssd
Can be upgraded.
I will also check fans and gpus.

Lastly I have used the evga 1600 g2
I will swap the oem psu on Monday or Tuesday.

So this mobile CPU is aprox. 65% slower than common used G1840. It could be problem.

I opened the case.

it fits 1 4gb stick of ram


https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PC3-12800-DDR3-1600MHz-Unbuffered-M471B5173DB0-YK0/dp/B00CV5GWHC/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?

same specs as the samsung above.

so I ordered this ram below

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PC3L-12800-204-Pin-SoDimm-M471b1g73bh0-yk0/dp/B00J8U549K/ref=sr_1_1?

1 screw opens the door to ram slot and old mSata slot the drive below has same specs as stock ssd

https://www.amazon.com/MyDigitalSSD-Super-Drive-mSATA-Solid/dp/B00LNEXNU6/ref=sr_1_1?


I will upgrade to this one
https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-Premier-SP310-Excellent-ASP310S3-128GM-C/dp/B00ELQZCKW/ref=sr_1_1?


while I am at it I will get a copy of windows 10 and attempt to install it.

it looks like I can take heat sink off the cpu
it looks like I can take the heat sinks off the gpus

for upgrades i believe these mxm cards upgrade should work in the pandaminer

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mxm-video-card

For those of us that CAN build our own and have plenty of space, there is no point.

 For the rest, you already answered your own "question".

yes they may do so.

I have some photos of inside

easy to open just need a philips screwdriver. there is 1 screw   opening to get to ram and msata it is on the bottom of the unit.

once you take that screw you can see the 1 stick of ram the 64gb msata


https://i.imgur.com/WqZ54BN.jpg

older style msata
https://i.imgur.com/WByap5d.jpg

remove that 1 stick of ram and the heat sink screws for the cpu are all accessable

https://i.imgur.com/qbz8Qj5.jpg

here is the cpu heat sink

https://i.imgur.com/0BFzsL5.jpg

here is 1 of 8 gpu heat sinks 2 screws to remove

https://i.imgur.com/vSGue7a.jpg

 Why is using the motherboard (actually the GPU on the CPU most likely) an issue? That should save a few cycles in the actual mining GPUs for mining instead of displaying.

 Not able to get into the BIOS seems a bit odd, though I could see them wanting to disable BIOS access to avoid potential issues with customers changing settings and causing issues.

 Too wide to fit in a standard 19" rack anyway.

this unit is meant to be on this stand.  10 units fit 2 on each shelf with this psu on top
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966135.0
https://www.shelving.com/12x24-Wire-Shelving-w-5-Shelves-p/sc122472-5p.htm

you have 80 gpus running  in a small area you need good fans

https://i.imgur.com/tK37zIM.jpg

Or you could fit 4 of them horizontally in a 12U blade-style chassis...

Interview is locked for now  until I load a legal USA copy of win 10 onto a new msata


see first post


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.0


So after a day of research  I concluded the windows 10 on this pandaminer  has a windows 10 enterprise LTSB 2015 code laid on top of it.

There is a different thread with more info on it.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1735560.0;all

I am not a lawyer  and do not pretend to know the law.

But I think this is very gray. 

I AM TELLING MICROSOFT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR A SINGLE PC CODE THAT ACTIVATES THE WINDOWS 10 ENTERPRISE LTSB 2015 ON THE PANDAMINER WHICH SOLVES ALL THE ISSUES WITH THIS OS ON THIS PC.

Phil it looks like linux to the rescue




http://www.deklinge.be/IMG_2208.JPG

Yeah  it seems that linux works well  and windows is not needed.

Later today I get an 8gb ram stick  I will drop it in  and show some photos.

Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

that is the linux build not the windows build.

but my windows build has been running for a day temps are ?

I will check and

 they do not show up on my claymore 9.3 patch  ???

Still   the 8 heatsinks are big  the fans are maxed  and the air leaving the fans is far cooler then air leaving an s9

I suspect  that the temps are good on the window build.

The unit has nine delta fans running at full speed 10 watts a fan or 90 watts.

If 70% works. Power would drop to  maybe 60 watts.

Since my evga 1600 g2 does 1060 watts and 1730 h. With full speed fans I would drop to

1030 watts and get the 1730h

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  ;D

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

haven't really tested the windows build, but i'm doing around 215h per card (zcash) at this moment.
I do have to measure power though..

So far rock solid. Pretty pleased with this to be honest.

I've been thinking about a release for European people.. Simply because i'm european as well.

Shipping to the us would become to costly.  But obviously possible..

Greetings!

I would be willing to help here in the usa.  I could have you ship 1 good msata build to me.

I have a cloner and could clone copies of it. You only need ship once to me in the usa.

I would charge 42- 45 for the msata and usa shipping  my cost would be 35+6  for msata and shipping

https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-MSA370-mSATA-Solid-TS64GMSA370/dp/B00K67E5DA/ref=sr_1_2?

and you could charge 15-25 for the software

so 60-70 shipped to the buyer in the usa included on the master.

buyer keeps the oem msata just in case.

We could do a group usa buy so the software is released to the buyers the same time.

My cloner is mechanical 2 hdd slot gear.    input and output.

just let me know what msata you are mailing  to me So I could buy the exact one for the clones.



@ fullzero going to delete your post  but i did quote it here

It has nothing to do with the review .

and while the build you mention can work better then the pandaminer

in some cases , you fail to mention that the size difference is huge.

to deploy the panda miner would take a few wires to plug in.  at the worst swap in a msata ssd with a linux build.

I can fit 2 of these in the space of you build. 

Aren't all these the issues you're supposed to be feeding back to them?  If they fix a lot of these issues "at the factory", nobody will need to mod them.

you could generate an IMAGE out of the Harddisk an host that online or?

Language barrier issues.

note I did a hardware upgrade today.

I put in a samsung 8gb ram stick


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8U549K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


this is the max ram stick possible and only slot.  so unit now has 8gb ram

It looks like the production model changed from using the 60mm "screamer' fans in the prototype to a lower number of 80mm fans?


 Cloning a working SSD setup under LINUX is trivial - all you need is DD and either the original working SSD or an image file.
 Can be done under GRUB if you hand-edit the FSTAB to use standard /dev/SDx type naming instead of that bloody irritating UUID garbage (I wish I'd figured out to do that months ago).

Has five push 80 mm

Has four pull 80 mm

They are still delta and they seem to be 25 mm thick.

They would be easy to swap out.

I am running eth for around four hours slight drop in hash from 235 to 219

The garage is 96f. As I am burning 5500 watts of gear.  Outside temps is 42f

Back door to garage is open entire house is warm coldest room is 77f

Do you have any photos of the fans?

Here is a photo



https://i.imgur.com/FxkI9wo.jpg

Phil, do you have number for Monero???

Later in the week.

I want to run eth for three days in a row.

It does run hotter so I want to be sure it can handle hot ambient room temp of 96f.

As my garage is in the mid nineties .


I ordered 2 of these fans from newegg .

 I think they will work  and be quieter.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835132031&cm_re=BGEARS_B-PWM_80MM-_-35-132-031-_-Product


not going for 9 unless they are great.

Phil, some questions:

1. 4GB RAM enough? I know 8GB RAM is just nice, 16GB maybe overkill in a miner rig. Did you have to setup 16GB minimum for windows virtual file, as required by Claymore to run his miners?

2. Pandaminer paint and finish seems nice from pix -- good sturdy build? At a glance from your pix the miner is quite small.

3. From boot up -- could you see any BIOS opening screens, ie. American Megatrends, Panda? etc. Have you tried all the possible keys to enter BIOS?

4. The small "on/off" switch is tiny as per pix but I think like it this way to prevent any accidental  reboots or shutdown. Did you have any specific reasons to have the button larger?

5. In a multi-panda farm format; with some clearance on top and below, do you reckon that can easily rack the miners vertically? PSUs on top of rack?

6. What is Crimson drivers that was installed in the miner? Have you tried upgrading to 16.11.4? Compatible with W10 Enterprise?

7. Have your tried running Nicehash Windows Miner? sgminer-gm? wolf XMR miner?

Thanks

1. I was worried that 4gb ram could have issues  so I upgrade to 8gb stick.

The mobo only has 1 slot and it is laptop sized ram.  Ddr3l. Only goes to 8gb

2. The case is fairly sturdy and uses only Phillips screws.

3. It does show a screen American mega trends then the win 10 sign in reads pandaminer but there is a script that signs you in to the normal screen where you can enter a mining folder.

4. The small button needs a tool to press a clumsy person could press it hard and break it.
It could be bypassed if you break it.

5.       Psu
        Pandaminer
        Pandaminer.

On a shelf would be easy you need a 20-24 inch shelf
10 units on a five shelf rack.

The method below may not work
P p
A a
N n
D d
A a
M m
I I
N n
E e
R r

6 do not know AMD drivers

7 so far clay 91 and clay 93 and eth 7.6

I need to fully build clay 93 on a second pc. Then put it,on a USB stick then move the stick to the pandaminer and it works that way.


Since I am not the best software guy  I won't push  until I have a working clone of the oem msata.

then If I brick the clone I still have the oem.

@ Citronik -  You don't need 8GB  RAM yet.  I have many rigs running up to 7 GPU 470, 480, Furies 390 and are still using 4GB and this miner is doing the same with 8GPU which is validation for that.  You just need to change the windows page file size to 16GB and since we're running SSD, it won't slow down our rigs.  In the future when if it becomes necessary, you can add another 4GB easily but it's an unnecessary cost at the moment.  

@Phil - Is this Panda completely just powered by PCI only?  This would be fantastic news, as I can power a ton of this without needing ATX Power supplies.  The IBM 4KW Server PSU bundle seems like a winner's choice for this.  .  

yes the Panda need only PCI-E 6 Pin nothing else.

btw. my Panda Miner is not that stable, i had him running thru the Night with Claymore 9.3 and this morning 1 Card Reports 0.00

Did rebooting help fix the 0Hash issue?  You would get this with normal rigs as well, but usually reboots will fix the issue unless you have a bad GPU or riser.  In your case it could be GPU if reboot doesn't clear it.  Would be interesting to see how we can troubleshoot which GPU slot it is when there's a failure and whether it's easy to remove to troubleshoot or swap them out.  From the picture it appears like only a few screws and easy to disconnect but would like to hear what you guys see.

I will chip in with this one as well.


1. 4G is enough, for now. I definitely have no need for 8G on linux ;)
2. It's a very sturdy build, stacking multiple of these things wouldn't be an issue at all. Would even be a very interesting sollution. It's "kind" of heavy though..
3. Yes. And as i've said, you can get into the BIOS  ;) Same as with any other mainboard.
4. System auto boots when i turn on the psu power, i changed this so that i didn't have to press that "tiny" button anymore :).
5. Like i said at point 2. you could easily stack these on top of eachother, intake and out is on the side, so this makes it easy to stack them.
6. Can't answer this one, no windows fan :p
7. Sgminer-Gm over here as i've shown in screenshots.


Greetings.


Edit: some new results: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736623.msg17391526#msg17391526

Greetings!

How many PCI-E sockets in total please?

seven

What is the difference between a normal PC motherboard compared to this Panda "PCI switch" based motherboard?
 

It's fancier and smaller :)

it uses moblie   cpu

it uses 1 ram slot

it fills gpus on both sides.

a 24 inch wide  rack  with four shelves  can do  12 units


                    4k psu
               pandaminer
               pandaminer
               pandaminer

each shelf  would load as above


now  if xmr holds price and the linux build  works well  you could run 4 units per 4k psu   and here is why

this unit below rates at 2320 watts  2 of these would give 4640 watts

using the 4k breakout board from optimizer  not j4bberwock/finksy

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-BLADECENTER-39Y7400-39Y7405-L80536J-DPS-2500BB-A-2320W-AC-POWER-SUPPLY-PSU-/332067375448?hash=item4d50c20958:g:v44AAOSw44BYRxRr

I was thinking of building another rig but where also looking at these if you guys where putting together a group buy could you count me in Thanks

a rack setup

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heavy-Duty-72-x36-x14-Wire-Shelving-Rack-5-Tier-Layer-Shelf-Steel-Adjustable-/151996127890?


https://i.imgur.com/8iXvb0i.png

use the 5th shelf for your pdu's

two 30 amp pdus on the fifth shelf

and this rack has 96 gpus running


https://i.imgur.com/NB6aqjR.png

WOW --- my entire warehouse can be replaced with only a couple of these racks!

Now that's efficiency and perfect for lights-out operations because it will impact and saves cooling and electrical cabling cost.

And.... best of all.... I can throw away all those darn PCI-USB risers!

damn thats some gpu hash density.

Does it use laptop memory?

Yeah this is what peaked my interest when they started talking about these.

The only issue for me is I need that density to fit inside an enclosed rack. Don't have option of using shelves as described, wish I had more room at home.

yes  only 1 slot up to 8gb as tested by me  it came with 4gb  I put this samsung ram in it


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8U549K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

it comes with a mobile cpu


http://ark.intel.com/products/84810/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3215U-2M-Cache-1_70-GHz


I would have liked a better cpu as mobile cpus are harder to source.

but this psu an i5  is 281 list

 http://ark.intel.com/products/85212/Intel-Core-i5-5200U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_70-GHz


and the one that comes with it is 107 list.

Are you able to use the MSI afterburner to change the voltage or frequency? I think the power consumption is pretty high.

the linux build which I don't have access to can save more power.

as of now  the oem windows build has limits and I am more gear orientated then software skilled.

So I am  taking my time  until I make a backup copy.

Since it uses the old master I had to order a 64gb  which arrives on thur.  which I have 2 mSata suds that  work I will be more aggressive.

can you show me a 6 gpu rx 480 doing   1290h  and 780 watts

this is a 8 gpu rx 480 doing 1720 h and 1060 watts  at zcash

running in a 93f garage



As for eth  it was doing 237mh at 1170 watts ran for 6 hours in a 95f garage then crashed. 
So for now I am mining zec  as I am saving watts.

Nice piece of hardware for sure , but the price is too high.
Price with psu and Shipping to the US is over 2400$

I prefer to build my own rig till they price is not going to lower with a few hundred $

7 gpu build :
7x Rx480/4gb mem  7x190$ = 1330$
ASRock H81 PRO BTC R2.0    =65$
celeron 1150 cpu                  =45$
4gb ddr3 (4x4set 42$)          =10$
pci splitter                           =25$
usb powered risers(10pc)      =65$
metal open frame                 =50$
EVGA SuperNOVA 1600 G2    =317$
120gb ssd                            =45$
                                TOTAL 1952$   1832$ (server PSU with breakout board)
using server PSU with breakout board can save you around 120$
free shipping on all items within US

build with RX480/8GB and 8GB system mem : 2302$   /  2182$ (server PSU with breakout board)

build with RX480/8GB and 8GB system mem , power draw at the wall / hash rate with modded bios for eth mining , mem voltage set to 900-950mv, using EVGA SuperNOVA 1600 titanium psu ,  power source 240volts

Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v7.4
ETH : 209MH/s / power draw 1050watts

Claymore's ZCash AMD GPU Miner v9.3
ZCASH: 1536 H/s with modded bios for eth mining , 1715H/s with original bios ,power draw 980/1050watts

Claymore CryptoNote GPU Miner v9.6
XMR: 5131H/s with modded bios for eth mining , 890watts , did not tried with original bios yet
 

that's good feedback for Pandaminer, i.e.: make the enclosure so it fits in a standard 42U rack, and include mounting tabs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit

In the meantime could you put shelves in the enclosed rack and put the miner in so the 20" dimension is front to back? Yeah, the fans wouldn't be facing in optimal directions, but it might work.

not sure they can do that make a 18-19 inch rack mountable unit due to with or length of mobo.

the wire shelf systems  with 24 inch wide 14 inch deep 72 inch tall look perfect.

I would have like a better cpu  and maybe linux instead of a patch windows 10 still all in all really nice piece of gear.

Todays' price is 2180  + shipping and that includes a psu

with BTC rising  this a pretty good price.


https://i.imgur.com/yH1DV0U.png

agreed, they would need to change the exterior width dimension of the case by ~21mm from 503.5mm to 482.6mm to get it to fit, and judging from the pictures the mobo is already a tight fit.

yep, looks that way.

It would be an interesting engineering exercise to see how many GPUs they could fit in a standard 2U full depth (87.3mm high x 445.5mm wide x 730.2 mm deep) enclosure. This would fit in a standard datacenter rack (dimensions taken from an HP DL380G9 without a bezel).

This would work yes but it would exhaust hot air into the rack which would likely get circulated back into the miner and heat it up more without fans in the top of the rack which I don't have unfortunately. If I had fans in the rack at the top it would work though. I have a standard cold intake front, hot exhaust back setup.

When you have racks it's better to have same space in front and behind to make air circulate properly, so if they do a case with screw mounts for bracket on each side (front & back) you could actually mount 2 of them in a 2U space (one in the front one in the back) and turn the fan toward the air flow, then you would probably for airflow too, use the space in between 2 panda miners to put the 4x PSU's then again 2 panda miners. As for completing air flow, probably want also top exhaust too to make triple air column.

here is a crude mockup of what your rack could look front & back. (full 48U rack) 2 possible setups for maximum air flow. First setup could more efficient, you would use the space behind the PSU's to put all the PSU & network cables. In thoses setup you could fit in one rack about ~26-28 pandaminers.

http://imgur.com/Vs2VwZ4

You could probably save up even more space by using server PSU's that are more long and flat, and have the fan usually in the back but would probably be more pricey. But that's the idea :)

it is not about the case.  the mobo  is a perfect fit in the case

left side                 ___________________________ right side
 has 2 usb                                                                has 7 pcie jacks
2 hdmi
1 ethernet
1 power button       ___________________________


all jacks are soldered to mobo and fit the case perfectly very good quality fit and finish

to shrink to fit a 19 inch rack   you need a 6 card mobo

now a six card mobo  could be much  less width  say  16 inches
make the unit tall make the heat sinks taller
and you could have 92mm fans but that is a completely different model and idea.  I am not sure it is any good.

the wire shelf can be modded with walls on the sides and small holes for the wires

you could even make the wire shelf sides 24 or 30 inches


that would allow for more fans to attach to the shelving for better air flow in the building.

BTW  picture a sliding door   with a rack pointed at it .

a home could mine 96 gpus easy

72 by 24 by 14 wire rack
https://i.imgur.com/8iXvb0i.png


basement sliding door

https://i.imgur.com/z2M7JBi.jpg

 at least 10 possibly 12, using the WX series stuff and a standard EATX server motherboarda - I'm sure there's a MB out there somewhere (probably SuperMicro) that will fit into a standard 2U with 10+ PCI-E slots.

 Might have to use the WX 4100 though, as it's the only low-profile card in that line.

 You'd run into the driver limits on how many cards you can run first, unless you do one of the mods that allow for more than 7 (like they already did).

 On a custom MB like the Pandaminer uses, they'd probably be able to do a fairly easy redesign, go with more depth and less width and change the connections to front or back.

 Not sure if they could squeeze the vertical down the half inch needed to get to 3.5" (2u) height though without some serious airflow compromise. How much free space is above and below the heatsinks in the existing case?

 They COULD go deeper and then go one card high 2 deep, but that would definitely impact cooling on the rear cards.


 92mm fans WILL NOT FIT in a 2u case - there's only a total of 89mm (appx) to work with NOT counting the thickness of the care top and bottom.

http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/download/pdf/FFB/FFB80x80x38mm.pdf

 Two steps down from their top-flow in that model line - I've got a couple of the EHE models (the 6600 RPM vs the 5700 RPM models in your Pandaminer) they start to get into the mild screamer range more due to the pitch but not real badly so.
 The GHE models ARE screamers - those things are LOUD and very high pitched.

 Deltas also tend to last a LONG LONG time - dual ball bearing designs for the most part (not sure on their blower models) and VERY conservative MTBF ratings.

yeah this brand is often used in appliance and servers, they're very reliable fans made to last :) overall they seems to have picked good components.

I have recently tested a CUDA ZEC miner ... EWBF clocking more than 500 sols/s on a GTX1070

I wonder if the Pandaminer PCI slot is also same format for a Mobile 1070 or 1080?

I read somewhere that NVidia mobile GPU is wider

That info is missing here

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2869/geforce-gtx-1070-mobile

Interesting. So 8 GPUs, 9 10W fans, and the mobo/CPU/SSD/RAM are powered from 7 6PIN PCI-E ports. Wonder how the power is distributed internally...

I would love to get a bare board with a better CPU. Like an i5 5200u

DHL just delivered the Pandaminer this morning.

My first comment.....

Huh.... its smaller than I thought it would be.

8 x 480s in this small footprint!

its like the length of 2 shoe boxes.

Today is going to be a busy day.

Phil... I may need help if I brick this OS. :D :D

I told you it is really small.

I am asking for that linux build. I need a better os

the windows 10 os is brutal.  I still have a mix of Chinese French? English.

but maybe 85% english.

As for the gear.

I can source :

fans
ram
gpus I think
mobile gpu = really hard but maybe

only the motherboard would be impossible to source.

Exciting! Two reviews will be super

1. ran latest Claymore Cryptonite GPU miner v9.7 (Total hash 5850 H/s).... crashed after 10 minutes. Watchdog triggered, reporting 2 x GPU had openCL errors... restarted miner... and gets stuck. I can still close the DOS window and move on.

2. ran sgminer-gm v5.5.4 (Avg total hash 6360 H/s) .... running solid over an hour now... BUT... there is no temperature readings (unlike Eliovp's sgminer-gm on Linux). Incidentally, I didnt see temparature details in Claymore XMR v9.7 too! Is there a temp bug in current Crimson drivers?

3. have not ran Claymore ZEC and ETH miners yet - Phil have done these test already.

Will report more later....

for those who PMed, let me clarify.

The NVIDIA card I tested is on my only non-AMD test rig; MSI-980Ti, giving me about 350 sols using EWBF CUDA miner.

Let me clarify that I did not test on 1080s or 1070s -- see link below who those who have tested them.

Nvidia 1080 and 1070 apparently are very suitable for ZEC mining algorithm and can achieve very high sols compared to AMD, suggesting ETH and XMR algorithm are very suited for AMD cards.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670733.msg17399333#msg17399333

Or see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670733.msg17404175#msg17404175  :o

can one of you guys take a screenshot of gpu-z of the GPU (the gpu info panel)...or if your running linux on it type lspci -vvv and pastebin the output.

 You forgot miners.

 Most if not all Antminers use Delta fan(s) (S5 S7 and S9 in all varients, not 100% sure on the older stuff).
 Innosilicon seems to love them too - one of the "solid" factors on the A2.
 Seen pics of them on other miners.

Spoondoolies seemed to prefer YS Tech - good fans in some cases, but the sleeve-bearing bottom-end stuff is junk.

Oh yes, when i was saying appliances i was of course counting also ASIC miners and such (but also, switchs, firewalls, and so on), you are 100% right, they're very good indeed  8)

I thought I did in this thread.

it does no show all info like a regular gpuz

sgminer-gm on Windows doesn't display temps and I don't think temps and fan controls are working with Panda's GPU rom mod and choice of Crimson drivers at least for XMR mining. For Claymore ETH and ZEC mining - refer to Phil's review. Also... 1 dead CPU after 10 hours ;-(

https://i.imgur.com/9vrDQza.jpg

Running Claymore XMR v9.7.... shortly after taking this pix.....5mins later stuck and opencl hang....

https://i.imgur.com/bJiAJ2n.jpg

CONCLUSION:

With this many GPUs and trying to get it to work in Windows using W10 Enterprise with a modded rom by Panda.... looks like several shortfalls namely temperature bugs and to some extent stability ... at least for XMR mining with Claymore. Other miners like Wolf or sgminer maybe different results. Eth and ZEC mining seems stable with Claymore -- see Phil's review.

In summary, Pandaminers ideally needs to be on Linux. Follow the other threads by Philip and Eliovp on this matter.

Ouch,  Looks like maybe the first case where someone has to find out if the warranty is good or not.  Dead GPU already... That sucks!  What is the process with PM to get support?

after restarting sgminer-gm.... the GPU shows up again (not DEAD).

I can only conclude that there is something not right with status reporting of GPUs - the GPU roms were already modded according to Eliovp.

Likely that ... maybe... temps was high and fans reported wrong readings resulting inconclusive results and sgminer-gm could not get stats from that particular GPU thus resulting dead status..... anyways I will surely keep an eye on the this GPU.

Also, I examined the contents of the mSata and found a copy on Polaris BIOS editor too... hmmm.... why leave it there if not used for something.

I bricked all 8 cards when an amd upgrade popped up.  I lost all my drivers  for all eight cards.

I booted with the restart option and everything was restored. ;D

I am not a software guy but the os on the panda is sophisticated in recovery mode.  a good thing.

I still want the linux and I think I would keep my panda miner master sitting off in a little box just incase the linux master had an issue.

right now the zec miner works best really stable and I was able to upgrade from 9.1 included to 9.3 claymore.

the eth crashes every 3 to 5 hours.

I can not fully view the cards  or the card temps but I do know the watts jump from 1050 to 1150.

So I have to think the gear from the factory while good gear is only okay software. 

It would be nice if panda miner simply paid for the linux and put it in all miners.

At the moment  my miner is happy doing zec.  and my miner was provided up front to me. I did not pay but agreed to pay for the miner when I fully tested it.  So it passes on zec and fails on eth .. I will test xmr and other shit the next few days.

I really urge panda miner to allow the linux developer to put the miner out there for buyer and to allow say ½ of the 2180 I owe  panda miner to go to the linux developer .  This is a win for everyone.

panda miner gets a good software.
little guys get a good flexible miner
the linux + driver + rom builder gets some coin in his pocket.

Once again I could use a good translator to help here.

Please look at the pictures

 two  24 gpu racks with six four card mobos using 6 atx machine 6 ethernet cables

total of 48 gpu's 12 mobos 12 cpus  12 sticks of ram 12 ethernet cables

replaced by

six panda miners with 3 psus ( ibm 2880 )    3 cpus 3 sticks of ram 6 ethernet cables

https://i.imgur.com/WAXLPYM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4hhHwyE.jpg

   -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Tried Niceheash Windows Miner v 1.7.3.11 -- running normally - will run overnight to see if it can hold.

During installation, required .NET 3.5 installation as prerequisite.

GPU benchmark listed only Dagger-Hashimoto and Equihash coins.

Strange - running this NH miner on normal rig lists more than this 2 algorithms.

However, if you choose to also include CPU mining, it will list more algos like LYRA2RE, HODL and Cryptonite.

This version supports 3rd party miners like latest versions of Claymore ETH and ZEC miners.

At stock settings, benchmarking shows 27.596 MH/s for ETH and 209 H/s for each card.

Not bad for stock settings.

This NH Windows Miner is probably the most easiest to set up and ideal for mining newbies.

https://i.imgur.com/QAT5vP2.png

These are not a stock settings - the cards in Panda Miner are already with modded roms

Yup, you are right. Eliovp did report that the GPUs were already modded before he further did some mod improvements.

yes I think  .975 volts  vs 1.050  stock

Phil -- did you see if the windows build had been pre-setup with 16GB windows virtual memory -- to support Claymore miners?

I tried to navigate control panel but get stuck halfway due to language pack - its really 50-50% guess game for me. I think I have done the ENG pack but its still mostly Mandarin to me.

Guys - I missed major part on difficulties with Win 10 Ent and language packs.

But reading Russian forum I did not notice that.

They installed Russia language with no problem

Here is some command that should help.

open a command prompt, and use.


or with regedit


You can also use the regedit mode to change the settings.


you can change the pagefile location, also the numbers are "starting virtual memory" & "max virtual memory"

hope it helps :)

perhaps there is a one string CLI verbose mode that does this changes automatically rather than trying to navigate the GUI and do trial and error

 installed ANY language with no problem to Pandaminer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKUQMje4--Q

I followed that and did get an English pack to install.

However there is a lot of Chinese mixed in plus a tiny bit of French.

I think I hit a wrong setting to get that French.

I am still waiting for a part to make a full clone of the msata ssd.

Once I have a full clone. I will Report back on if I can upgrade from enterprise LTSB to just


window 10 enterprise. I have a source for a real key for that build.

I just did a build from win 10 pro to win 10 enterprise. And I activated with a enterprise key.

That was on a z270 that I am reviewing for newegg.

So I may be able to fully activate the panda miner to windows 10 enterprise legit and legal

you are doing something wrong !!!
Where did the French, if you put the English?
I made 10 pieces pandamayner of Chinese in English and Russian.
Remain in Chinese only file names.

hey do not owe anything to anyone
  all products are China
Only by chance it is in Rosiii incredible price of my efforts and remember that the cost to beg on the demo test in the United States


there is even a child who realizes in the computer will be able to download any language that is needed

maybe philipma1957 haves a prototype model of his miner.. from my experiences from using other Chinese hardware, software varies from one week to another. sometimes its best if your planing to buy a few is to buy all at once so software differences are minimal 

do not know how in English ...
but in Russian it 's called - stupid and not wise
philipma1957 haves not prototype model miner this series
you just do not realize that only 4-5 % of ALL miners gets into the whole world.
everything is done for CHINA
any miners equipment
and I was especially funny when they saw that the window 10 is not a license
Only in the United States think about it

PS/ say hello to Obama Trump cure you

felix73

 i quoted "from my experiences from using other Chinese hardware" I was referring to routers and point of sales devices i installed and serviced that are from china "lenovo" and others. Software  in varies countries are not affected but a year ago , alot of pre install software like windows, linux, ect ect had language issues here in California..  especially the routers .. I dont think your mining industry is any different 

Mining equipment is quite another
it does not pass certification ..

Mining equipment is quite another
it does not pass certification ..

  Well, my point is poor QA assurance from panda miner or any company from american, chinese or timbucktu are usually are from new start up. Just hope if the rom/firmware can fix the language issue.. if it dont a change of the main board or return for a newer version of miner.  sounds like inventory control shipped a few "prototypes" by accident.. i heard that excuse before..   

and for your information im a registered independent and Obama is a good president   

This is not a political thread.

So please don't make it that.


This is a good piece of gear.  It is ½ the size of a normal  gpu miner.

and for some people  changing from Chinese to their language will not be easy.

The lack of a "real legit"  windows enterprise LTSB key  is Microsofts choice .

Simply because of the way they structure  enterprise keys.

I do believe I can up grade from  enterprise LTSB to enterprise  and purchase a legit enterprise key.

I do not have a problem with that.

The gear has mined ZEC very well for me.

I would like to have this with three msata ssds.
 1)oem 
 2) oem cloned and upgraded to Enterprise not Enterprise LTSB
 3) linux  with improved roms.

ZEC works well
ETH crashes
XMR not tested
EOS not tested

OS + management + monitoring + roms (auto flash) is almost done, give me a few days and it'll be good to go!

Greetings!

Would Claymore ethman or equivalent solution part of your Linux package?

Equivalent but better, easier and a lot more interesting for large farm development. :)

You'll be able to switch from any miner to any other miner, any algo to any other algo.

Greetings!

Lovely!

I am wondering if can intergrate SRR into a rack of Pandas?

What is SRR ? a remote system of some kind?

Philip - https://simplemining.net/page/simpleRigResetter

I am also using their Linux miner solution for 5 of my rigs currently in the GPU farm.

SRR is basically a remote relay solution to reset your rig remotely -- think cheap APC switched PDU.

Just plug in SRR to replace your on-off switch on mobo and off you go -useful for remote sites.

Eliovop may have an alternative solution....  ;D

It's basically just PicoIP,  google it..

I have one as well, works nice, costs around 30 bucks and i can switch on/off 16 rigs with one module.

https://s29.postimg.org/49q62kadz/pico.jpg


Greetings!

Nice little piece of hardware  :o 8)

what hardware are you using for it to cost this low ?

it could link directly to the mobo on off switch


these turn on a mobo not in a case.  they are manual.

but his is auto.  once mobo turns on there is a scrypt that  boots and starts the mining program.

I have enough gear now to do this as I am at 14 pc's  I just have not done it. so all my reboots are  done manually.

 I push that switch below then sign in then call up claymore miner. and check msi afterburner.

It is becoming a little too much work to do for me.



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E6NFL8I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Yeah that i understand how it work,

It's basically a PI with a bunch of relays, but i wished to know what he bought to make 30$ because for me it's like 3-5$ per relay + 35/45$ for the little pi, so wondered what he choose to make his this cheap :)

got you  sorry for repeat info.

Np, thanks for your input, pretty sure it'll be useful, no info is bad info  ;)

I use something similar with cross monitoring batch/shell/python script to reboot my rigs if needed, but it costed me nearly 100$ counting all the hardware so i was looking to reduce costs for the next ones :) hence why i was interested

very useful if your rigs are hosted remotely, or in a confined/compact area -- saves me 30mins travel time to go back to warehouse -- and I am not fond of being the only one in a deserted place in the middle of the night....  :'(.

On another matter... I have done a quick estimate if I was to replace my whole GPU farm with Pandas... basically my 12 racks will be reduced to 3-4 assuming 10 Pandas per rack. I could have saved a ton of money on cooling, cabling and electrical works.

I wonder what is the resale value of my Sapphire R-Nanos-4GB-HBMs and Sapphire RX-480-8GBs; and MSI R9-390 8GB ?
Are those ZEC farms still looking for GPUs?

I think I will need to do inventory update soon for a garage sale  ;D

Eth and XMR are the best coins to mine right now if it cant mine those might as well stick to existing hardware

My panda is mining XMR with sgminer-gm in Windows currently.

You can mine all of the above with Linux which Eliovp has tested.

Claymore is windows only for XMR and I like the ethman tool , all my reboot and email scripts are linked through that having to switch to another miner just to use this hardware is one more hassle i don't need.

maybe when they get their windows builds together and working properly I'll take a look but for now I can build a 6GPU rig for $1700 or so with 470s that hash just as fast as 480s and also buy 5 more cards for another rig with the $600 left out of the  2319 (no PSU)

panda is charging and I know for certian i can mine everything on windows out of the box.  I dislike Linux in any case.

Tthrow in the reslae on the GPUs ram and SSD's i buy and its a far safer bet to build my own.  

If the panda gear works right out of the box for my normal deployments I would possibly grab a few for the summer when i turn off alot of my gear but for now i like 470rigs.

in my $1700 quote i'm including a $300 titanium PSU 240GB SSD, 4GB ram and dual core celeron proccesor, six usb risers.  If i added a Titanium PSU to the panda build that skyrockets things to 2600 with shipping over 1k more for 60mhs more hash and a fancy case no thanks

Maybe you guys got discounts or free machines to test makes it worth it for you but the numbers don't add up for me mostly due to part out and resale issues , and OS, the price is not terrible but considering I cant part the machines out easily its too high imo

Question for you Phil.  I know that you said Eliovp's linux build will boot up and start mining automatically, but would the image straight from the factory be able to run headless?  Basically without a monitor, keyboard or a mouse plugged into it?  Will it boot without video connected to it if you set it to auto login and throw the batch file into the startup?  Thanks.

It would need to be set to turn on after a power outage.


that is in the power settings for windows 7 and I have a few pc's set that way.
I could look at this right now to see if I can set it to power on after a blackout.


  it is set to auto login.



 you would then need to setup a batch file.

Yes, completely headless.

Start up, mining will start automatically.


Greetings

 I believe you are required to install 3'd party miners to support some of the other algorythms.
 I've always done that on my NH installations, so not sure.

 NH also supports the Genoil ETH miner, if you don't like the double-whammy fees involved in running Claymore on ETH.

 IMO most folks are better off not running Nicehash at this point on anything but NVidia.

agreed - they are too many AMD options out there - and claymore, optiminer, sgminer, wolf, genoil....

Nicehash seems to be siding NVIDIA of recent

if quick and easy mining direct to BTC - this NH miner will be easiest.... but surely not the most profitable.

Eliovp..... would we need a VNC or Teamviewer builtin into the Linux OR.... the your management and monitoring module takes care of all the essential mining stuff.

I am keen on lights out operations, headless and KISS.

Manager takes care of almost everything. If you do need access for some reason you can always ssh into the system (you can use putty or some other client on Windows to do that.).

Greetings

mac  mini  and ssh  works nice I prefer to ssh into systems  with that.

Thank you both for the information and replies.

Hey man, just a technical curiosity, how do you manage "miner discovery", because if you wish for a true headless setup, your "master console" would have to know how many miners there is in the network, the ip's a all the shebang, snmp trap maybe ? custom client/listener ? automatic ARP discovery ?

Also did you think or already created a centralized managment of miners like "press button" "all my pandaminer go to mine XXX" i know u'll have a console to do all this, just curious :)

just wondering as a fellow tech guys what are your current implementation and ideas :)

keep up the good work !

Some nice progress today.

Some screenshots

Login (http://deklinge.be/-login.png)
Account (http://deklinge.be/-account.png)
Manager (http://deklinge.be/-manager.png)
Change Wallet (http://deklinge.be/-changewallet.png)
Success  8) (http://deklinge.be/-success.png)
Massreboot (http://deklinge.be/-massreboot.png)
Rig Settings (http://deklinge.be/-rigsettings.png)
Overview (http://deklinge.be/-overview.png)

Auto flashing is also as good as finished


A big thx to PiMP and Ethosdistro.
I combined the best of those two Operating Systems and learned a lot from them.


Just to be clear.
I'm definitely not interested in making this public, if you want an OS that's equally as good or perhaps even better i would suggest to go for either
Ethosdistro (http://ethosdistro.com) or PiMP (https://getpimp.org).
They both have an awesome community and offer great support.
I do not. :)

Plus, this is not designed to support any other system besides the Pandaminer.


Greetings!

Looking nice man !

ELIOVP, you never failed to impress us.  Very very well done!  You just made these Pandas worth their price of admission.  You've made it so easy to manage a large farm of pandas that Awesome miner may not even be necessary.  Looks amaging and super intuitive!

Impressive.... can you show how the selecting the miner works on the dashboard?

Apart from Claymore for ETH and ZEC, I also use sgminer-gm for XMR.

Depending on profitability of the 3 coins, how easy is it to switch from one coin to the other with miner of you choice?

citronick and Phil,

Topic is quite a mess of Panda Miner review, Unix build, Win 10 Ent etc

Could you please summarize on first page some important parameters:

Mining speed/Power used/Noise level
- ETH
- ETC
- XMR
- ZEC

Also, which PSU do you use with miner? If use platinum PSU - will it positively affect the efficiency?

Is it possible to use WiFi dongle (not for Phil with AFB nearby) instead of cable? Upgrade possibility?

ps_jb,
For the record, this thread and review is Phil's own initiative. My comments below are from my own personal evaluation criteria with slight bias on my own group's requirement. I leave the technical and speed measurement to Phil.

Chipping in my non-techie findings and conclusions listed below:

1. I used Claymore for ETH, XMR and ZEC. Of recent, sgminer-gm for XMR. optiminer for ZEC.

2. I am particularly interested to use the Pandas for XMR mining mainly, and a system having ability to "profit switch" to ZEC, etc. ETH maybe....

3a. Over time (more than an hour), all my Claymore runs with ZEC v10 and XMR v9.7 have ended in reboots. However, sgminer-gm XMR mining can mine longer but still reboot backs to mining. Unlike my current open DIY 5-6 GPU rigs that can run for weeks without reboots with Win7, Win8.1 and Win10 Pro.

3b. The mash-up of Win10 and Enterprise licensing to get the 8-GPU config may have something to do with the overall stability of the system, IMHO, hence #3a.

3c. For example, after many reboots, it will get stuck or shutdown page and manual power reset is required to fully power off and on the Panda - this is a Windows thing, even for so called Enterprise edition.

4. The PSU, I used is an old Bitmain 1600w server PSU that I bought together with S7. I have a few of them still and used it to good use here without any problem. Eventually, the planned Phase 1 PandaRack (10 x Pandas per rack) will ship to Labrador and they use EVGA 1300 and EVGA 1600.

5. The ultimate expectation for the PandaRack is 24x7x365 XMR mining - so I need custom and hardened Linux as OS for best results without the worries of Win10-Ent/Licensing/Good old Windows Memory Leaks/Virus/Hacks/etc. Also, "lights out" and good monitoring/mgmt/alerts operation just like my BTC, X11 and Scrypt farms.

6. As far as build and product construction is concerned - thumbs up to Panda. It is certainly above average and definitely have my A rating for the "hardware". They should leave the "software" to other parties who understand mining and programming in general. Marry these two sides and I think we have a winner here.

Disclaimer: I am a recent retiree, and manage small BTC, X11 and Scrypt mining farms for my group hosted in Cryptoboreas Inc. Labrador-NFL Canada. My group has agreed to deploy the first 10 Pandas and will be making the purchase for direct shipping to Labrador as soon as we test Eliovp's OS.

Thank you, citronick!

I think restarts can be also related to overheating GPUs or other components of miner.

Can you elaborate on "I'm definitely not interested in making this public" ? Are you saying that you're going to only sell this software or are you saying that you're only going to sell it along with a panda miner you modified?

I missed a few pages of this post so this question may be answered already but I'm looking for clarification. I know I saw somewhere there was talk about reselling pandaminers you modified.

Great Work on this btw

Yeah thread got sidetracked a lot   with the windows 10 enterprise LTSB issues. plus the possible  linux replacement.


The gpus don't overheat.  The heatsinks are huge  the fans are powerful.

The gpus have a custom bios that  has been flashed to them.

They are undervolted to .975  which is not stock.

My unit is using an Evga 1600 g2
I did test the oem psu.

I get about 1.6 to 1.7  h for  zec  at 1030 watts  with the evga 1600g2------using claymore 9.3 that I installed
I get about 1.6 to 1.7 h for  zec   at 1065 watts with the oem psu.

Eth crashes the drivers crash from 1 to 2 hours
I did not test any other coins

My garage is 85 to 95 f

The gear is fine the software is not.
I have yet to get into the bios.


at citronick did you get into the bios?  if so what key did you use.

Fellow miner Tradewiz shared with me that he used "del" key upon boot up.

This was the first thing that I did when I got the unit but was not successful.

Could you do the test -- maybe give it a few tries with the DEL key.

As soon as you get into the BIOS, changing the boot sequence should make the USB port handle bootable images.

I did the delete key no go
I did the F1 key no go
I did the F2 key no go
I did the F6 key no go
I did the F10 key no go.

So I am waiting for software from Eliovp

I did figure a way to make the gear  get activated.

Use a kms key for windows 10 enterprise  from microsoft  pages then buy a windows 10 enterprise key.  there are legit sellers of windows 10 enterprise keys  but I can not find a legit seller of windows 10 enterprise LTSB key.

https://www.kinguin.net/

Unlikely overheating, like Phil said the fans are very good and powerful.

Its likely some bug in AMD drivers for Windows (or Claymore?)

In Eliovp's test run on Linux, the temps are correctly shown and the fans are so good the GPUs stay very cool.

With Claymore if you have watchdogs causing crashes you sometimes have to turn down the intensity.  You will also see this at times if you have overclocked GPU's.  But since you have not modified the ROM's yet I would try turning down the intensity.

claymore 9.3 at 6 intensity is pretty much flawless for zec

 the dip was when I switched to  eth which crashes
https://i.imgur.com/WBVmVAu.png



here is the panda on eth it crashes in 1 to 2 hours

https://i.imgur.com/rfvB3Ov.png



oh I just got me an uncle

https://i.imgur.com/UqlWzeF.png

Of course,

Change Miner (http://deklinge.be/-changeminer.png)
Select one (http://deklinge.be/-changeminer2.png)

Sgminer is obviously included ;)

Greetings!

Thanks to theyankeswin  I am picking up this power cable to lower fan speeds


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I can confirm that DEL key will get you into the BIOS setup screen. Num Lock is on by default so if you have a compact keyboard then maybe it interferes with your DEL key?
There is something funky about the VIDEO/HDMI ports...as Eliovp has hinted at.
or maybe it was the monitor I was using... but basically once I boot past Grub, my screen is blank.
Somehow I fiddled with the BIOS setting and was able to boot up with Clonezilla live to capture the original image.
It's mining away so I'll muck with it later.
You can convert the image to fully english...minus a few filenames and the audio driver, which still appears in Chinese.
Good thing Malwarebytes didn't find anything...

The same question.

I cant get Claymore's ethman to see these miners.  No matter what I do.  Anyone get that going and if so how the hell did you do that?

That is correct.
I will only distribute this together with a panda miner.

Greetings!

Phil and citronick,

Basically as a summary - with existing software Panda Miner is useless for mining most profitable right now ETH coin. Am I right?

My only Panda is mining XMR, together with my other rigs (390s/Nanos/480s).

Today, thanks to my friend who has interesting converter tools, came to visit today and take a look at the Panda, I managed to replace the msata with another msata with Linux build (not Eliovp's since its not ready yet).

My friend also brought along a 4U chassis which he wanted me to help him build a 6x480 rig. Will report on this later.

Under Linux, this Panda is a hashing beast, even for a non-Claymore miner. I use sgminer-gm v5.5.4 to mine XMR because Claymore hasnt released his RX-optimised miner. Results are below and the temps are unbelievable - I think the current fans are too strong with no controls unless you change the fan to a proper 4-pin power connector. I think Phil is working on this.

im mining eth right now at 230 eth.  ran for 12 hours no crashes yet

That is interesting. Did you do activation, language pack installation, drivers updates or just start mining?

Both Phil and citronick have similar issue with crashing miner while ETH mining. And both of them had a difficulties with language pack.

lang pack install, was a bitch because i don't read Chinese, then deleted all of their stuff and transferred my copies on usb of claymores zcash / eth and monero and started mining.  I just cant get claymore ethman to see it.

I just installed a fresh Windows 10 2016 LTSB Enterprise with my own key. Copied, the miner binariese back to the panda miner. Everything is working great now since 7 days. So no worry to reinstall the machine it will work again without any special modification :D Now its time to switch to the linux version and see what I can do there with it ;)

By the way, I'm mining monero and got a stable hashrate from 5970 h/s.

Could you get a stable mining on ETH? Let's say 4-5 hours?

yes I let it run for 3 hours with a hashrate of 237mh/s

Don't use the latest Claymore Miner 9.7 this seems not to work very stable with the panda miner

SM-Linux/sgminer-gm v5.5.4 mining XMR at dashminer.com, with Panda's rom mod.

Eliovp's rom mod will surely pull this Panda much higher and even lower power.

The temps are fantastic and my warehouse averages 38c during the day.

https://i.imgur.com/7SrzvmF.png

sgminer can go higher than 6khs but that on Linux....

ETH is still most profitable but net-net will eat into profits because mining ETH consumes more power.

ZEC and XMR consumes less power and currently XMR profit is higher than ZEC.

IMHO, the roadmap for this 2 coins is more promising for XMR.

So I think I will bet on the XMR horse.

6400 @ 880 watt stable as a rock over here.. :)

Waiting patiently   for a linux  holding coin for you.

Here's a new one

2200+ sol with peaks up to 2260 at 1050-1070 watt (swings a bit).

http://deklinge.be/zecPanda.png

Greetings!

Impressive.  :)

Do you think its possible to improve the efficiency?

Amazing Eliovp!

This looks like optiminer - currently ahead of Claymore v10.

Have you tried claymore v11?

Claymore V11 for linux not yet relase.

As said above, not available, i did try 10, max i got was 235 per GPU.. Big difference ;)

Greetings!


Edit: A friend of mine talked to AMD and can confirm that they will stick with the mxm design for at least 3-5 years, this will also include the upcoming vega cards.

So in other words, the panda is upgradable! Woop! :)

I am 90% sure manual control of fan speed can be done with a few parts from amazon

one of these
https://www.amazon.com/DROK-Voltage-Regulator-Converter-1-2-36V/dp/B00C4QVTNU/ref=sr_1_3?

and some of these

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CDKSV3C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?

there are two fan headers in the case.

below I can use a brick and the controller.

when I get more 3 pin cables I will test to see how this works.

I suspect  fans can be lowered a lot and make this a very small home miner.

If I can bypass headers on the mobo  you can feed that controller from your psu.

If I have to use the fan headers it would not be as clean.

Can it be controller with this - http://a.co/4YaLbiD?

So no need in controllers and cables

no  for a few reasons  there are 9 fans  the controller you list does 4 fans

you would need 3 of them.

I also need to check how much  power you can use with your controller.

Right now having used ones like the kingwin  I know they can not do well with beefy fans.  the deltas in the   pandaminer can do .8 amps each.


Maybe The six channel model can work

http://www.kingwin.com/fpx-006/

it can do 20 watts fans

the fpx 001  can only do an 8 watt fan so it is not good.

http://www.kingwin.com/cooling/fan-controllers/fpx-001-2/

the fpx 005 specs as 8 watt fans no good.

http://www.kingwin.com/fpx-005/

you would need a pair of these

  https://www.amazon.com/KingWin-Channel-Multi-Fan-Controller-FPX-006/dp/B01AG8WKQW/ref=sr_1_1?

This probably will work:

http://a.co/7aRhQYR

5 channels, so only 2 is needed. 30W per channel - good enough

Any luck on getting picture of the Motherboard to see part # or what brand they are using?

Motherboard
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyutxvIUcAAsffQ.jpg

Brand?  they make their own.  Bios is AM Megatrends. 

The board is their board as far as I can tell you can not source the board.

I will do a full teardown  on Monday or Tuesday.  parts are due on monday  but  amazon in their infinite wisdom used the post office to ship them  and tomorrow is a Fed Holiday  so I think it gets to me on tues.

I hope to have quiet fans soon.

I hope to confirm the cpu is soldered and not upgradeable or  custom socket and can be removed.  Most likely the cpu is soldered.

Its printed on the main board "Starminer GPU Switch v1.3"

Anybody knows what is a "GPU switch" ?

one single board, with onboard compute processor with custom PCI bus integrated into switched design?

looking at the pictures, upgrading the MXM module is possible.

The question on the MXM modules is where will you be able to get them... So AMD releases the next generation of GPU's, will Pandaminer be selling those so you can upgrade or does anyone know of a supplier?  Just looking around for these current cards I haven't seen a place to buy them so it makes me wonder how possible an upgrade will be... Or if a card fails, where to find a replacement.  

Shows Starminer GPU switch.  Not sure if they made their own board as they're a very tiny company that can barely source more than 30 units at once.  Very limited info when googling starminer GPU switch.

well small yes, but   I think they made  more like 250 to 500 pieces.  they could have an in with a board maker.   so far i can say it really appears to be decent gear.

yeah  an i5 cpu vs the celeron would be a big improvement  but one cpu is 280 the other 107.

a max of 1 8gb stick of ram is okay

Cheaper used mobile Broadwell CPUs you can buy on ebay/aliexpress etc. Or extract from an old notebook.
And then give it to someone who has skill with replacing BGA CPUs (but is risky)

Compatible Intel Broadwell-U CPU list (but BGA and soldering...):
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Mobile_Celeron_Dual-Core/3215U.html

the best cpu  to put in it would be this one.


http://ark.intel.com/products/85213/Intel-Core-i5-5300U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz

this is stock

http://ark.intel.com/products/84810/Intel-Celeron-Processor-3215U-2M-Cache-1_70-GHz



but rework could kill the mobo  so it is not worth the risk.

if the company (pandaminer) sticks around    maybe they will offer one with a better cpu

Why do you guys want a stronger more expensive CPU to mine with? Nothing is worth CPU mining right?

I don't the cpu that comes is good enough.  but  down the road  an i5 could come in handy with a new coin.

I have started my tests of reduced fan speed.  This unit comes with 2 fan headers

 one for 4 push fans
one for 5 pull fans

I hooked my controller up to the push fans which were using 40 watts at 12 volts.

they now use 22 watts at 9 volts.  gear is not as noisy.  and I am saving 18 watts.

of course  time will tell if the gear overheats.

if 1 controller works I will add the second

since that is for 5 fans  I may drop from 50 to 27 watts

thus a 40-41 watt savings  and noise relief



I also pulled heat sink for cpu and as we thought cpu is soldered in so rework would be needed to upgrade the cpu ie not worth it.

the only easy upgrade would be a taller heatsink this would allow a slower fan and I am not going to bother with that.

How much your "upgrade" for fan cost in all ? Also have a DB meter (like phone app) to do measurement without and with control ? How much difference of temperature after 1h of mining between stock fan and modded fan ?

Keep up the good work guys  ;D

That's what I thought. That's a big "if" which likely would never pay for the cost of upgrading the CPU.

here is what you need to make the fan much  quieter

this is $6.95  I got 3 sets of 2 and spent 21.00    but you need 1 set  if you do it correctly.   so $7.00
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CDKSV3C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

step down is 10.99

https://www.amazon.com/DROK-Voltage-Regulator-Converter-1-2-36V/dp/B00C4QVTNU/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1484594142&sr=8-7&keywords=drok+step+down

total cost is 11 + 7  = 18 bucks

I am now pulling  34 watts  vs 75-85 watts  so 50 watts = 1.2 kwatts a day  or 36 kwatts a month or $3.60 a month per unit  so in 5 months at 10 cent power the cost has paid off.

this mod make this a home miner.

I choose one of six or seven ways to wire the mod photos to come.

I will do sound meter in a bit.


no drilling needed for mod no stock wires to cut.

these feed the two rows of fans front and back
https://i.imgur.com/EqD8T28.jpg

thread through the pci jacks slot
https://i.imgur.com/YywBqF3.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/SHdXhNg.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/ofqngfi.jpg


when done two ready for power  

one does 5 fans pull
one does 4 fans push

https://i.imgur.com/tyQDzQw.jpg

I am using an external 90% efficient 240 watt max  brick to feed the step down. I am sending in 13.04 volts

first test was 8.27 volts out

https://i.imgur.com/cvZufWF.jpg

Thx for the infos man, really cheap mod indeed ! How about temps ?  ??? Also do you think we could use "fixed" fan mod with cable and resistor to slow them down permanently so that the mod is kept "inside" ? in a good controlled environment that should be doable

I have resistors coming.  the down side of them is they do no save any power.
This mod saves power.
I am running 27 watts for the 9 fans.
I powered fans with external brick to determine power saved at 7.32 volts
power drop was really good.

I have resistor cables coming. they are lost in the mail seller is in NJ I am in NJ  the cables  went from NJ to WI  so I do not know when or if I will get them.

Resistor cables would be cleaner as they would fully be in the case.

I do not need an external brick to power the fans I can use the fan headers on the mobo if I want.




well temps are still hard to determine as gpu-z does not pick them up. My infrared shows case cover under 100f  and the case cover touches 4 of the 8 gpu heatsinks and uses a thermal pad to help cool the heatsinks.

I ran for an hour at 8,27 volts in a warm garage no issues  and the db's dropped from 71db to 67db


I am now testing 7.32 volts  which dropped db down to 64.4 at a meter

https://i.imgur.com/DFL0knH.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/eRtefbz.jpg

Not bad at all -3Db for each steps is enormous. thx for the mesurements.

it is good enough for my purposes at 64.4db  and 27 watts vs 85 watts is huge.

Agreed it's really good !

Can be heat sinks changed on custom made from copper?

well  the heatsink on the cpu comes off easy  and it could be higher/bigger  by a lot.  So a custom made heat sink  would be easy upgrade for the cpu.
The heat sinks for the gpus are heavy and high quality  I would leave them alone.



As for the heat sinks  on my  little drok controller  I think they could be upgraded to copper.


I also think my controller could be put inside the case near the ram   or near the cpu heatsink.

that would be slick.

no probs stacking them and much neater.

How many fans inside? 9 or 10 ?
On Pandaminer web are photos with 10, also in some reviews 10. But in another reviews only 9.

I believe its 10 vents holes (5 in front and 5 at the back) but only 9 fans.

For my unit;

Fans for front and back for all GPUs.

Each pair of fans for 2 x GPUs each (placed both sides of motherboard).

8 x GPUs will use 4 pairs of fans.

That leaves 1 fan left to bring in airflow over the CPU heatsink.

No fans for vent out for the CPU

But on their photo there are 5 fans (no empty hole)...
http://pandaminer.com/default/product_detail?id=2

For my unit..... I have only 1 fan for air inflow for CPU side without outtake fans.

Philip - did you have full 5 pairs of fans?

Nine fans. Only one for the CPU .

If you put your hand by the CPU fan it is far cooler then the gpu fans.  So you truly need one fan.

The gpus use say 200 watts.  The CPU uses 15
So the gpus need powerful fans.
If you think about this tearing the unit down pulling the cpu fan out and keep it as a spare for the eight gpu fans.
Put in a lower speed fan for the CPU fan.  There is no way the CPU needs a high speed fan.

The pandaminer has quite a bit of tweak factor for a home miner.
Back to my fan mod.   The garage gets to 91f when I close the back door.
At this temp the reduced speed at 8.5 volts is not good enough .  So for now I bumped fans to 9 volts.
The 9 fans are using 38 watts and the gear is stable.