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January 18, 2017, 02:51:47 PM |
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Nice to see more numbers,
What is in place of this phantom 9th fan ? a empty hole with no fan, nothing (no hole no fan) ?
To put a outtake fan for CPU would really be overkill, as per Philip's review. The vent/hole for CPU is more than enough since intake fan nicely pushes air out to cool the CPU. |
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January 18, 2017, 02:53:50 PM |
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Nice to see more numbers,
What is in place of this phantom 9th fan ? a empty hole with no fan, nothing (no hole no fan) ?
To put a outtake fan for CPU would really be overkill, as per Philip's review. The vent/hole for CPU is more than enough since intake fan nicely pushes air out to cool the CPU. Yes, just wondering what was in place of this fan, if hole empty or no hole @ all. |
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January 18, 2017, 03:01:07 PM |
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Nice to see more numbers,
What is in place of this phantom 9th fan ? a empty hole with no fan, nothing (no hole no fan) ?
ten holes nine fans is what came to me there is a jack for the 10th fan there are mounting holes for the 10th fan. if you do a full tear down and you need to pull the mobo out of the case to remove any of the fans. So you could do that pull the included cpu fan as a spare for the eight gpu fans. You could put in this fan https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835230025this would be good enough to cool the cpu. if you went for this mod it should be fine even if you do the other mod and send 9 volts to all fans. If you buy the gear for the fan controller from amazon and buy this fan from newegg you are at : 7 wires + 12 controller + 7 fan = 26 bucks. It looks like using 9 volts and 38 watts keeps the pandaminer stable in a 92f room I am mining zec at about 1660h I am using clay 9.1 intensity of 6 and ssl I use well under 1000 watts about 974 at the meters. this includes the fans which I am doing external power. When the linux build is released this should get a lot of improvement. Would I buy more pandaminers? yes I would and I am going to once I get Eliovp's linux build. For now I am not getting a second one. |
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January 18, 2017, 03:04:09 PM |
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Ah i see, well for air flow, it could be good to actually plug this empty hole (with a flat piece of plastic for example), because it make the depression of the pull/push system lower. has anyone tried that ?
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January 18, 2017, 03:13:49 PM |
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Ah i see, well for air flow, it could be good to actually plug this empty hole (with a flat piece of plastic for example), because it make the depression of the pull/push system lower. has anyone tried that ?
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January 18, 2017, 05:26:36 PM |
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no it will not work.
So the hole is on the side that bring air into the panda, not the side that expel the air outside ? |
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January 18, 2017, 06:25:27 PM |
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no it will not work.
So the hole is on the side that bring air into the panda, not the side that expel the air outside ? there are 10 holes with 9 fans and 1 empty space the empty hole is on the intake side |
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January 18, 2017, 07:37:08 PM |
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no it will not work.
So the hole is on the side that bring air into the panda, not the side that expel the air outside ? there are 10 holes with 9 fans and 1 empty space the empty hole is on the intake side Ok, i still think pluggin it, would increase the air pressure inside for better airflow, but putting a 10th fan could also be good. Strange design they made, maybe it was a mistake or the case was planned to be 10, but they noticed that 1 would be enough. Thanks for the added infos man. |
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January 20, 2017, 01:14:39 AM |
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Nice to see more numbers,
What is in place of this phantom 9th fan ? a empty hole with no fan, nothing (no hole no fan) ?
To put a outtake fan for CPU would really be overkill, as per Philip's review. The vent/hole for CPU is more than enough since intake fan nicely pushes air out to cool the CPU.
no it will not work.
So the hole is on the side that bring air into the panda, not the side that expel the air outside ? there are 10 holes with 9 fans and 1 empty space the empty hole is on the intake side The two statements in red sound contradictory, so I'm still unclear on the fan configuration. How many fans pull air into the panda, vs how many blow air out? If you have 5 intake fans and 4 exhaust, it's good because you have positive pressure inside the panda, which helps limit how much dust gets in. OTOH, if you have 4 intake fans and 5 exhaust, you have negative pressure, which means the panda will pull in air from the remaining 10th fan hole and possible from other cracks/clearances... |
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January 20, 2017, 01:43:23 AM |
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Nice to see more numbers,
What is in place of this phantom 9th fan ? a empty hole with no fan, nothing (no hole no fan) ?
To put a outtake fan for CPU would really be overkill, as per Philip's review. The vent/hole for CPU is more than enough since intake fan nicely pushes air out to cool the CPU.
no it will not work.
So the hole is on the side that bring air into the panda, not the side that expel the air outside ? there are 10 holes with 9 fans and 1 empty space the empty hole is on the intake side The two statements in red sound contradictory, so I'm still unclear on the fan configuration. How many fans pull air into the panda, vs how many blow air out? If you have 5 intake fans and 4 exhaust, it's good because you have positive pressure inside the panda, which helps limit how much dust gets in. OTOH, if you have 4 intake fans and 5 exhaust, you have negative pressure, which means the panda will pull in air from the remaining 10th fan hole and possible from other cracks/clearances... my unit has 4 intake and an empty hole. it has 5 exhaust and the cpu uses 15 watts with 1 killer fan and the empty hole 2 gpus use 180- 220 watts with 2 killer fans in push pull setup. there simply is no need to worry about the cpu cooling the stock fan is 2x or 3x what is needed. |
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January 20, 2017, 01:48:18 AM |
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Nice to see more numbers,
What is in place of this phantom 9th fan ? a empty hole with no fan, nothing (no hole no fan) ?
To put a outtake fan for CPU would really be overkill, as per Philip's review. The vent/hole for CPU is more than enough since intake fan nicely pushes air out to cool the CPU.
no it will not work.
So the hole is on the side that bring air into the panda, not the side that expel the air outside ? there are 10 holes with 9 fans and 1 empty space the empty hole is on the intake side The two statements in red sound contradictory, so I'm still unclear on the fan configuration. How many fans pull air into the panda, vs how many blow air out? If you have 5 intake fans and 4 exhaust, it's good because you have positive pressure inside the panda, which helps limit how much dust gets in. OTOH, if you have 4 intake fans and 5 exhaust, you have negative pressure, which means the panda will pull in air from the remaining 10th fan hole and possible from other cracks/clearances... my unit has 4 intake and an empty hole. it has 5 exhaust and the cpu uses 15 watts with 1 killer fan and the empty hole 2 gpus use 180- 220 watts with 2 killer fans in push pull setup. there simply is no need to worry about the cpu cooling the stock fan is 2x or 3x what is needed. Thanks for clarifying that. I don't think anyone is worrying about CPU cooling. Do you think it's possible to move the CPU fan over to the intake side so it acts as an intake fan? |
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January 20, 2017, 07:27:31 AM |
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Philip is correct - the CPU fan is on the outtake side (back) not the intake (front) side.
This is logical since pulling air out would give better results to cool down CPU.
No point putting an intake fan for CPU hole - the blank hole/vent is more than sufficient.
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January 20, 2017, 08:55:35 AM |
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Philip is correct - the CPU fan is on the outtake side (back) not the intake (front) side.
This is logical since pulling air out would give better results to cool down CPU.
No point putting an intake fan for CPU hole - the blank hole/vent is more than sufficient.
the cpu exhaust = 89 f only 1 fan the gpu exhaust = 101 f 2 fans this is with the fans at 9 volts in a 87 f garage |
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January 23, 2017, 02:51:00 AM |
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Philip is correct - the CPU fan is on the outtake side (back) not the intake (front) side.
This is logical since pulling air out would give better results to cool down CPU.
No point putting an intake fan for CPU hole - the blank hole/vent is more than sufficient.
the cpu exhaust = 89 f only 1 fan the gpu exhaust = 101 f 2 fans this is with the fans at 9 volts in a 87 f garage I see reports that Simplemining.net Linux OS works well with Panda Miner. Pretty cool OS as everything is loaded onto a USB drive. Easy to use even for a Linux rookie. |
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January 23, 2017, 02:57:13 AM |
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I see reports that Simplemining.net Linux OS works well with Panda Miner. Pretty cool OS as everything is loaded onto a USB drive. Easy to use even for a Linux rookie.
Does anyone have hashrates and kill-a-watt draw values for ZEC, ETC, XMR using Simplemining.net with Panda Miner? |
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January 23, 2017, 03:04:32 AM |
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Philip is correct - the CPU fan is on the outtake side (back) not the intake (front) side.
This is logical since pulling air out would give better results to cool down CPU.
No point putting an intake fan for CPU hole - the blank hole/vent is more than sufficient.
the cpu exhaust = 89 f only 1 fan the gpu exhaust = 101 f 2 fans this is with the fans at 9 volts in a 87 f garage I see reports that Simplemining.net Linux OS works well with Panda Miner. Pretty cool OS as everything is loaded onto a USB drive. Easy to use even for a Linux rookie. Yes its is... Last year, my GPU farm ... 30 x Windows rig, 1 x ethos, 1 x SMos, 1 x Ubuntu-14 rig Jan 2017 transformation, same farm.... 32 x SMos and 1 x W10 (test rig), 1 x Ubuntu-14 rig (test rig) The Panda's mSata, I replaced it with SM image, so no SM USB bootup. Most of the Windows rigs had 120Gb SSDs, simply replace Windows with with SMos image. Around 6 new rigs uses SMos USB3 thumbdrives for fast bootup. Results.... very stable farm & monitoring with Claymore ethman, less sleepless nights  and more time to learn Linux. Just waiting for SRR to complete the whole project to achieve lights out operations. |
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January 25, 2017, 03:43:25 AM |
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Maybe this was covered elsewhere in the thread but I got here late. At any rate the default KMS key is set automatically on volume license windows media. So basically Phil in the first post the reason you are seeing evidence for a KMS key is because it had been installed with volume license media. When you buy enterprise licenses from microsoft you get two types of keys, MAK (multiple access keys) and KMS (key management system). The MAK key is similar to the one most people are used to, you enter it in the OS when you first boot it and it activates online with Microsoft. In the case of volume license media you just get to use the same key many times but the process is exactly the same as when you activate a home version. You enter the key and it activates online (or you can go through the activate by phone thing). The KMS keys allow you to setup an activation server on your network that automatically activates certain versions of Windows (or other MS software) without the clients having to connect to the internet. If you setup a KMS server on your network, all you have to do is install the client computer from the volume license media and it will get the default KMS key and try to find an activation server on the local network to activate. So basically KMS is easier because you don't have to enter a key on the client computer when you install. You just install from volume license media, boot, and it finds a local activation server and activates without any intervention. So if it is installed with volume license media it is already setup to try and use KMS activation. Those pirate things you posted screen shots of are basically online versions of the KMS activation server. What those pirate software guys aren't telling you is that KMS activated software has to reconnect with the activation server on a regular basis (I think once every 6 months) or it deactivates. As long as the pirates have that activation server online and accessible, then a pirate copy you activated from there will work but the clock is ticking and 6 months after Microsoft takes the pirates offline those copies will all deactivate. The default KMS keys are not a secret. Here is a microsoft page with the list for Windows products: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj612867(v=ws.11).aspx You will see the one you noted in your first post listed there I believe. So the TL;DR version is that it had been installed with volume license media and had not been activated and the key had not been changed so it still had the default KMS key. That is not evidence of pirating or attempted pirating. It just means the panda guys used a volume license version of the windows 10 installation media. |
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January 26, 2017, 06:23:56 PM |
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I just received my pandaminer 2 days ago, running smooth using their stock claymore miner, but when replace to new claymore version 7.4, after 2-3 hour I got watchdog error.
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January 26, 2017, 10:42:15 PM |
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I have been lazy I did not bother testing them. I made some progress with simplemining made a usb 3 boot stick . it works on my 3 card z270 board see screen shot below. next step is make a msata and boot it on one of the test rigs first then use the msata in the panda miner. this will give me temps of the cards . I mine in a hot spot so my pandaminer has crashed at lower fan settings 7.5 volts I crash. 8.0 volts I crash 8.5 volts I crash 9.0 volts kind of stable 9.5 volts pretty stable 10.0 volts to 12 volts stable. if you drop those in you may crash if fans go too slow. cooler rooms can do 9 volts and sound is okay not good okay here is simple mining  |
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