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January 01, 2017, 07:43:49 PM
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Hey Phil.  I will help you out.  In the first desktop picture.  There are icons with Chinese characters.  From the upper left corner.  To the right one column, 1st row.  The text file is "Mining Process Instruction step.txt".  Not a literal translation, but the closest translation.

1st column, row 4, Zcash plus a bunch of Chinese character.  It means "Zcash shortcut".
1st column, row 6.  "Cpu-Z 1.9 shortcut".
1st column, row 7. "360 extreme speed viewer" or "browser".  I've never seen that before.

Windows test mode allows unsigned drivers to be run and installed, and bypasses quite a bit of driver digital signature validation.

The team viewer on second column, row 7, allows remote desktop viewing.  May have the "share screen" function.  Don't know what version it is.  It's a collaboration tool.



Very much appreciated.
I am going out with the wife to walk off the New Years party.
I will post the chrome page later and ask for more help.

To all I have found a place to buy activation codes for the build. So worst case is the gears activation code is bad. And you will need a code.
The place I found will sell a five pc code.
It could be pandaminers code is good and this is just a New Year's Eve issue.

Still mining very well.
Issues left are I do not know how to enter bios.
I loaded gpuz via chrome
I loaded CPUs z via chrome
I loaded chrome to a USB stick on a different pc.
Then load chrome from that stick.
Still mixes Chinese and English but better more English less Chinese.
I can get on bitcointalk.org via the chrome I loaded.

I use zero passwords or accounts on the unit due to security fears.

What I need to do is find out if I can load a new windows 10 on a new ssd.
And I need to understand why I must use the hdmi jack for the Intel CPU

Vs the hdmi jack for the gpus.

Loading AMD 16.11.3 and more of the same.

I do not want to brick the hdd / ssd so I will need. To open case tomorrow to decide if
Ram
CPU
Ssd
Can be upgraded.
I will also check fans and gpus.

Lastly I have used the evga 1600 g2
I will swap the oem psu on Monday or Tuesday.

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January 01, 2017, 09:17:38 PM
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So this mobile CPU is aprox. 65% slower than common used G1840. It could be problem.

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January 01, 2017, 09:47:54 PM
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So this mobile CPU is aprox. 65% slower than common used G1840. It could be problem.

I opened the case.

it fits 1 4gb stick of ram


https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PC3-12800-DDR3-1600MHz-Unbuffered-M471B5173DB0-YK0/dp/B00CV5GWHC/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?

same specs as the samsung above.

so I ordered this ram below

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PC3L-12800-204-Pin-SoDimm-M471b1g73bh0-yk0/dp/B00J8U549K/ref=sr_1_1?

1 screw opens the door to ram slot and old mSata slot the drive below has same specs as stock ssd

https://www.amazon.com/MyDigitalSSD-Super-Drive-mSATA-Solid/dp/B00LNEXNU6/ref=sr_1_1?


I will upgrade to this one
https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-Premier-SP310-Excellent-ASP310S3-128GM-C/dp/B00ELQZCKW/ref=sr_1_1?


while I am at it I will get a copy of windows 10 and attempt to install it.

it looks like I can take heat sink off the cpu
it looks like I can take the heat sinks off the gpus

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January 01, 2017, 10:03:44 PM
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for upgrades i believe these mxm cards upgrade should work in the pandaminer

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mxm-video-card
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January 01, 2017, 10:26:07 PM
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I still don't see the point vs building your own 7 or 8 GPU rig, though. Especially when it comes time to sell the hardware or upgrade.. But this is good for quick deployment and people who are clueless when it comes to building a PC.

For those of us that CAN build our own and have plenty of space, there is no point.

 For the rest, you already answered your own "question".


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January 01, 2017, 10:29:26 PM
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for upgrades i believe these mxm cards upgrade should work in the pandaminer

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/mxm-video-card

yes they may do so.

I have some photos of inside

easy to open just need a philips screwdriver. there is 1 screw   opening to get to ram and msata it is on the bottom of the unit.

once you take that screw you can see the 1 stick of ram the 64gb msata




older style msata


remove that 1 stick of ram and the heat sink screws for the cpu are all accessable



here is the cpu heat sink



here is 1 of 8 gpu heat sinks 2 screws to remove


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I am still stuck using the motherboard for display
And I can not seem to get into the motherboard bios as of today.


 Why is using the motherboard (actually the GPU on the CPU most likely) an issue? That should save a few cycles in the actual mining GPUs for mining instead of displaying.

 Not able to get into the BIOS seems a bit odd, though I could see them wanting to disable BIOS access to avoid potential issues with customers changing settings and causing issues.


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20 inches wide and 8 inches deep 4 inches high.


Bummer, means using it in a enclosed rack would be a challenge if not impossible as I thought because of cables sticking out of both sides.


 Too wide to fit in a standard 19" rack anyway.


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January 01, 2017, 10:43:32 PM
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20 inches wide and 8 inches deep 4 inches high.


Bummer, means using it in a enclosed rack would be a challenge if not impossible as I thought because of cables sticking out of both sides.


 Too wide to fit in a standard 19" rack anyway.



this unit is meant to be on this stand.  10 units fit 2 on each shelf with this psu on top
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966135.0
https://www.shelving.com/12x24-Wire-Shelving-w-5-Shelves-p/sc122472-5p.htm

you have 80 gpus running  in a small area you need good fans


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January 02, 2017, 01:07:56 AM
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20 inches wide and 8 inches deep 4 inches high.
Bummer, means using it in a enclosed rack would be a challenge if not impossible as I thought because of cables sticking out of both sides.
Too wide to fit in a standard 19" rack anyway.

Or you could fit 4 of them horizontally in a 12U blade-style chassis...
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Interview is locked for now  until I load a legal USA copy of win 10 onto a new msata


see first post


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.0


So after a day of research  I concluded the windows 10 on this pandaminer  has a windows 10 enterprise LTSB 2015 code laid on top of it.

There is a different thread with more info on it.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1735560.0;all

I am not a lawyer  and do not pretend to know the law.

But I think this is very gray. 

I AM TELLING MICROSOFT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR A SINGLE PC CODE THAT ACTIVATES THE WINDOWS 10 ENTERPRISE LTSB 2015 ON THE PANDAMINER WHICH SOLVES ALL THE ISSUES WITH THIS OS ON THIS PC.

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January 02, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
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Phil it looks like linux to the rescue



Hey guys!

As i've mentioned earlier, i also ordered a pandaminer.

It arrived today! Yey.

I took the time to boot the original ssd into that awesome Chinese Windows 10 and it took me around 10 minutes to turn it off again and to replace that ssd with a new one.

Of course i played around with it and installed linux on it Smiley (ps. i also fixed both the hdmi outputs, both are working fine now)

Here are some pictures.

Will post power / speed results later. Will also fetch that rom and modify the hell out of it.. "later.. :p"

If this runs smooth for more than 2 days, i will consider making this commercial, i mean: the pandaminer modified with modified roms. (only europe "for now")..


Pictures: (i'm just posting the links because i hate the fact that pictures will make me have to scroll like a madman to get to the bottom of the page..)

They box :p

Box


Messed around with it and running on linux Smiley

Linux



More info coming later!

Greetings!




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January 02, 2017, 06:08:25 PM
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Yeah  it seems that linux works well  and windows is not needed.

Later today I get an 8gb ram stick  I will drop it in  and show some photos.

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January 02, 2017, 06:14:33 PM
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Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

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January 02, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
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Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

that is the linux build not the windows build.

but my windows build has been running for a day temps are ?

I will check and

 they do not show up on my claymore 9.3 patch  Huh

Still   the 8 heatsinks are big  the fans are maxed  and the air leaving the fans is far cooler then air leaving an s9

I suspect  that the temps are good on the window build.


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January 02, 2017, 06:40:56 PM
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Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

The unit has nine delta fans running at full speed 10 watts a fan or 90 watts.

If 70% works. Power would drop to  maybe 60 watts.

Since my evga 1600 g2 does 1060 watts and 1730 h. With full speed fans I would drop to

1030 watts and get the 1730h

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January 02, 2017, 06:59:09 PM
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Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


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Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  Grin

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?
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Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  Grin

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

haven't really tested the windows build, but i'm doing around 215h per card (zcash) at this moment.
I do have to measure power though..

So far rock solid. Pretty pleased with this to be honest.

I've been thinking about a release for European people.. Simply because i'm european as well.

Shipping to the us would become to costly.  But obviously possible..

Greetings!

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Those are some nice temps.  How long has the miner been running in that screen shot and what is the ambient temp?

It's been running for exactly 3 hours and 26 minutes at this moment. Stable as a rock.

Temperatures: 36, 41, 40, 38, 40, 46, 46, 37. So an average of 40.


Greetings

Do you know how the Linux build compares to the Windows build as far as hash rate and power consumption?  Great news that you have Linux working already!  Grin

If you are going to do a Pandaminer build to sell any idea what it will cost and when it will be available in the US?

haven't really tested the windows build, but i'm doing around 215h per card (zcash) at this moment.
I do have to measure power though..

So far rock solid. Pretty pleased with this to be honest.

I've been thinking about a release for European people.. Simply because i'm european as well.

Shipping to the us would become to costly.  But obviously possible..

Greetings!

I would be willing to help here in the usa.  I could have you ship 1 good msata build to me.

I have a cloner and could clone copies of it. You only need ship once to me in the usa.

I would charge 42- 45 for the msata and usa shipping  my cost would be 35+6  for msata and shipping

https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-MSA370-mSATA-Solid-TS64GMSA370/dp/B00K67E5DA/ref=sr_1_2?

and you could charge 15-25 for the software

so 60-70 shipped to the buyer in the usa included on the master.

buyer keeps the oem msata just in case.

We could do a group usa buy so the software is released to the buyers the same time.

My cloner is mechanical 2 hdd slot gear.    input and output.

just let me know what msata you are mailing  to me So I could buy the exact one for the clones.



@ fullzero going to delete your post  but i did quote it here

It has nothing to do with the review .

and while the build you mention can work better then the pandaminer

in some cases , you fail to mention that the size difference is huge.

to deploy the panda miner would take a few wires to plug in.  at the worst swap in a msata ssd with a linux build.

I can fit 2 of these in the space of you build. 

I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.
A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.
With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.
This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.
The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.
As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.
Not even a valid comparison as not the same hardware and your PSU, CPU, SSD, OS, power riser and rig frame is free??  I keep hearing people say stuff like this without data to back it up.  But this is not even a valid argument.  This is like comparing building your own PC vs getting a All in one computer.  Different purposes and target consumers.  Can you deploy 100 rigs doing self build as fast as these plug and play??  What is your time worth.  Now compare the cost of 8 x 480 plus a 1600w psu.  That'd already $2k.  What about CPU, MB, SSD, Ram, 8 power risers, rig frame?   I have 40 rigs now and just the time to open and store all the boxes for gpu, cpu, psu, etc is a long time.  I bough the 14 Nvidia from hearing people claiming all the greatness, quite frankly they sucks. Just like with rx480, a lot depends on your luck with the ram as not all of them can be boosted as high.  There are market for these, let's not thread crap.  The only sucky point is the crappy 45 days warranty and chinese OS but if those asic are easy to replace and upgrade, this is an ultimate solution for large farms.  If I can upgrade my asic to say 490 or Fury and sell old ones to others, etc.  The former factor is also very good for heat management.  

$1910 ZOTAC mini 1070 x5 ($382 each from jet.com)
$39   ADATA 120gb ssd
$50   Corsair Vengeance 8GB ram
$65   ASRock H81 Pro BTC mobo
$48   Intel Celeron G1840
$4     ATX power switch
$130  EVGA GQ-1000 psu
$35    ribbon risers 5x ($7 each)
$85   spotswood frame

total:  $2366

$106 more than PandaMiner with PSU ( with PandaMiner shipping cost included; this would be less)

If you started making rigs with the rx400 series using Windows; I can imagine how you might believe all rigs are difficult to setup.

When using linux you can make an exact copy of an ssd already built and simply plug it in with the other components for each rig.  You can do the same with windows ( simply changing the key on the first boot, or alternatively not using a key at all for your base install and then providing one on the first boot.)  This vastly improves build time.  

With over 20 rigs it is easier to use a boot over lan solution.  This also enables you to not need ssd's for the rigs ( though you need more ram)

I'm not sure what you mean here:
"I bough the 14 Nvidia from hearing people claiming all the greatness, quite frankly they sucks."
I'll take a guess.  
My guess is you got an 1000 series card and it only got ~3 MH on ETH in windows.  If this was the case: it was because you previously needed to either modify the windows driver yourself; or get a modified driver from someone else in order to have had any of the mining clients utilize the CUDA cores correctly.  
This is no longer an issue.  The newest drivers work with all the main mining clients.  If you still have a 1000 series card I would give it a try again with the new driver.

I am not thread crapping.  I am simply providing members with relevant information.  It is possible that Eliovp will get these up to 2000 sol/s using 600 watts; and the price could be dropped $400.  If so; they will be awesome.  

As they are now; they are not.

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