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I wanted to apologize to anyone whose trust I may have broken over the years, including but not limited to one particular incident (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0). I got the idea from another forum member who was in very good standing, and was well trusted at the time throughout the community -- I entered into a transaction with what turned out to be one of his sockpuppets, and he suggested that we use his 'main' account as a middle man. When I got caught, I lied about being banned in order to cover it up, which was wrong, is something I should not have done, and is something I regret doing.

I also wanted to apologize to anyone who I may have otherwise harmed over the years in any other way (I have never stolen from anyone here, or IRL). I am a very principled person, but sometimes did not get other perspectives, or try to be able to see things from the other person's shoes before starting a topic. I should have done better.

I have always cared about my reputation here. Even when I was someone who was well trusted, I did not like it when people opened fake scam accusations because they were upset at me. My intentions were always good, even if my actions were not.  

Thank you.

Quickseller apologizing for his mistakes, now I have seen it all!
Wasn't you the one who was creating fake accusations (hhampuz something something...)? Never mind, it was rhetorical question, what fake scam accusation are you talking about?

Well for one thing, he accused me of being Lauda at one point--and accused Lauda of having a "pill problem" without offering any supporting evidence for either of those claims. 

Neither of those things even compares to the escrow scam he pulled off a few years ago.  I thought the accusations against me and Lauda to be pure entertainment, but if he's apologizing to the escrow victims then I might consider this thread genuine.  But saying what amounts to "sorry to everyone I've ever hurt" without truly confessing exactly what you did wrong is a hollow statement IMO.  Unless QS specifically states that he was in the wrong with those "self-escrow" transactions, I don't see the point of this.

But apology accepted as far as any wrongdoings against me personally.  Aside from the above, I haven't been damaged by QS.

Never personally did me wrong so removed my some-what snide and unnecessary negative trust rating from his list.

Takes some balls to apologize publicly and admit wrongdoing. I respect that.

Oh, I remember some of those accusations, I guess he purposely created them just to ruin someone's reputation. IIRC he accused me that I lied that I asked theymos to blacklist me from DT.
Well, he said:
I guess he meant to say that he didn't take any escrow fee for any of these transactions. QS is this truth?

Today is probably the best time for such a post... Although, to be honest, I thought this incident had exhausted itself a long time ago, given that a year ago everyone saw one of your apology posts, (given below). Not to mention the fact that your name has only been nominated once in the "Antihero" category.  And, as one person said... lessons from the past help us all understand that if you make a mistake, it's never too late to correct it (at least try). Good luck and Merry Christmas!

Awesome, it only takes 5 years for Quicksy to realize that lying is bad.

Christmas 2025: Quickseller apologizes for lying about PrimeNumber7 sockpuppeting.

Quicksy, I had intended on removing a lot of your negative trust before the new year anyway, even though I don't need to.  There are too many people who distrust your escrow activity (double dipping) but continue to trust others whose escrow activity scammed/lost several magnitudes more than you did.  

I didn't like the way you sent me a generic "don't involve me in your games"  message from PM7, and I still don't believe you can be sincere while you ask for forgiveness on this account, while pretending you did nothing wrong on your other account.

I'm more than willing to "pardon" you as there are much bigger scammers abound, but don't play me us for a fool.  :/

Here are two of them:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040812.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=991670.0
I am pretty sure there were many more.

This thread was intended for anyone who had placed their trust in me in the past. The escrow victims were refunded publicly, and apologized to privately in 2015, and in both cases, there was no hard feelings.
Thank you.

That was sad Quicksy - blowing over my offer to actually mean your apology.  :/  After last year's annual plea, you and I made progress in private.  I removed some negative trust, but you still would not prove you returned the btc that TF had sent you.   Later when I tagged an action of PrimeNumber7, your attitude changed 180% towards me.


You claimed that in 2015, and when I attempted to verify it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179179.0), you started a twenty page thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179238.0).    A lot of public hard feelings conflicts the "private no hard feelings" claim.   Don't wave your hand like OgNasty and claim you know what everyone feels.

2020 started out well, but >>I feel<< your failure to identify PN7 as your alt shows you have not changed.  I should have followed SM's lead and not given you yet another chance.  

Hello and thank you for your PM inviting me to participate in this thread discussion.

I'm at work on a break and won't be home for a few hours. I'm still digesting the contents of your PM and also this thread, but am hoping we can have an honest and frank round table discussion and hopefully move forward in a positive light in 2021.

My first questions are firstly I was wondering how accurate have my alt connections been? Have you used your alts to discredit my investigations, or, me personally through posts in threads, by use of default trust (distrust) or negative trust feedback by those alts against me?

I hope so too.

I have not been following your alt connection thread for some time now. If memory serves me correctly, you would sometimes use faulty logic when making connections.

Not that I can recall specifically, however it is possible that I noted what I believed to be a flaw in your logic when making a connection.


No.

As the actual user who "outed" this "questionable" activity (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1163735.0), and also replied to your "oh help me i'm butthurt" post here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171753.msg33178163#msg33178163), I think you maybe are a bit sorry after scamming so many people now that the BTC price is so fkin high. Maybe you finally found a girlfriend your mom likes, who knows LOL, but fuck..., whatevs.... :P

You fucked your own rep up by pushing limits over and over with your alt army crusades, not to mention pulling innocent people into your delusional "perceived scam" accusations. ::)  

Merry shitmas.   ;)

I see. (I'm taking that comment with a grain of salt)

A while ago I started reviewing old cases and have now formed other opinions. You may have noticed that my trust feedback for QS just references the escrow incident with any feedback for alts where it is negative where others have identified those alts. Similarly I haven't made any comments on PN7 as no concrete evidence has been put forward (but as Vod said, the attitude did turn 180°).

Many months ago I also locked some/most/all such alt threads and a couple concerning you I think I also removed the entire OP contents.

When you were creating your "pill addiction" and other similar style threads being a little less experienced a user I took it that some people who started such threads were asking for a free kick (to the head) very quickly I realised this was not the case and stopped participating in those threads (so I too apologise for behaviour then).

Personally, I've never had any problems with QS, and I appreciate his knowledge on technical topics. Most of the drama happened before I was an active member here anyway.
There aren't many users with this much negative feedback who stick around.

I believe this. I've also seen someone claim you don't lie, I like that, even though it means evading answering questions once in a while.

Prior to the escrow crap, he was actually a very good scam buster and good member of the forum. I still believe he can contribute to the community in a positive light, but If I was him I would steer clear of any escrow activity.

I would support changing tags to a neutral(or at least most of them), but 1 member needs to keep a neg there so that new users/old users are able to see his history. I only say this due to the fact that many users don't even look at feedback unless they see the red mark.

Zepher's feedback is there to stay for sure.

One of the problems with negative feedback is that the number of negatives is mainly based on how "high profile" a user is, and not on the actual damage done.

Nice...what should we expect next in the end of this 2020 year?
Maybe Vod and Nasty making peace agreement and burying the hatchet?
Nothing is impossible  :D

Oh come on now, getting all misty-eyed about an apology for something that happened 5 years ago and forgetting all the shit he's done before and since then, mostly to people who committed the heinous crime of disagreeing with him?

It's not like there is a lack of knowledgeable honest individuals on this forum. Quicksy is a sockpuppeting sociopath who can't even feign a convincing apology without blaming someone else.

F*ck me, it's Christmas :P
I can have one soft day per year, I'll be AI again tomorrow.

world end is tomorrow.. i know
..



we all make mistakes, including me
admitting they were wrong is an act of enormous courage .. only really strong men admit they were wrong
I must say you surprised me, I didn't expect this
ad maiora

It's ok. You can apologize for your transgressions in 2025 :)

Trump can still land humanity on Mars by the end of his first term too.   ;D  Our "feud" will not extend past 2021 - there was too much work to give the community the holiday gift it deserved this year.  :/

Tis the season to socially engineer...

This is not the output of the original QS.
Wonder how much he got for this one.

Are you suggesting what I think you're suggesting?  Who are you really, anyway?  You don't have to answer either question, but I'd be more interested in the first one if you care to elaborate on it.

I read this as the feud being active throughout 2021.  Is that what you meant?  The rest of your post was quite cryptic to me as well, but perhaps I'm just ignorant of some things which probably involve OgNasty.  Cryptography is nice, especially on this forum, but people don't seem to be saying what they mean in plain language in this thread.  Too much spiked egg nog?

That's CH. His "suggestions" are worthless.

As I mentioned, I have not been following your alt threads for quite some time, and my comment is based on information that is over a year old (probably older).

Thank you.

I have no interest or intention of offering escrow services in the future. IIRC, several months after all this started, I was asked to act as escrow by someone that was what I assume was a scam attempt, and I turned down the offer. I reviewed by escrow thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022656.msg17992325#msg17992325) and it looks like I acted as escrow in 2017 for a $5 trade. My escrow thread has reflected "closed" since March 2019, and I had not bumped since long before that.

edit: I also generally stay out of forum related drama, except in cases where it is very clear that one side is wrong. I may try to elicit information/facts for clarity/additional insight while staying neutral. My intentions are to continue doing the same

/edit

As I mentioned, I do care about my reputation here. My actions were wrong and they wont happen again.

This is long overdue.


Thank you.

Vod was someone who I considered a friend in 2014/5. My interactions with him since then makes me believe he will never accept my apology, which makes me sad. My observations of his interactions with OgNasty makes me believe that he has difficulty letting things go. I would prefer to put all this behind me and move on.

No, my account is not sold (that is what he was implying).

I reviewed some of his recent posts, and he mentioned Rmcdermott927 leaving several times. I would be surprised if Laudanum is Rmcdermott927 though. He reminds me of CH, as he discusses a lot of the same things that CH talked about, but the posting style is at least somewhat different.

Thank you.

I do care about this forum and community. When all this started, I had thought some of the negative feedback would have gotten removed over time, as was common for things of this nature. Everyone here knows me as QS and don't really like the idea of being known as something else.

I lied in 2015 about being banned. I do not like to lie, and very rarely do so, including IRL. Not answering a question does not mean that answering a question truthfully would reflect negatively on me. All it means is that the question is not something I want to answer.

How much is too much spiked egg nog?   :P  If I take Lactaid I can handle one, but I have the tolerance for alcohol of a 12 year old.

I always try to type exactly what I mean, unless I am parotting some idiot to show them how they have twisted words.

Early in the new year I should finish my blockchain worm, and provide the proof anyone needs to solve frauds on the blockchain.  (It depends on LoyceV too) Plus my club opens next month, so I won't be around to argue with that idiot.  This community will see that justice is possible if you are determined and stay mature.

Tis the season to socially engineer... - people take advantage of holiday cheer to make you do something you normally wouldn't.  



The first step is the hardest one.  Admit you are PN7 and show us you have stopped being dishonest.  Or ignore and show you don't mean what you write.  I'll prove to you I can let minor things go, but OGNasty has lost thousands of coins, and is trying to bury it and delete evidence.  

Everyone is ch according to suchmoon because suchmoon is obsessed with the person that humiliated and destroyed her in every single conflict they had. Fat spaz.

But back on topic to QS. He isn't a big time  scammer as such but a cowardly greedy fucking weasel.
Suchmoon keeps on accusing QS of being primenumber7 but has no balls to copy the same red tags to PN7. So shut up fatty. Stop your whining or do something.

Of course he is PN7. Why else would QS and Lauda both suddenly and in tandem become  certain each other was no longer a scammer or the most dangerous scum here right after lauda tagged PN7? They cut a deal.

Suddenly tman owl and lauda ( the extortion gang) all removing all of their red tags from QS, then QS removing all his tags and redacting his extortion thread and even the ref link from his feedback (now neutral). Just so PN7 can be tag free and have a sig hes been begging for for months. All triggered by PN7 getting a tag from lauda.

They broke him down and ass fucked him publically. All that weaseling around for merit and begging to be on a sig campaign for months and months just smashed by one red tag from lauda? Broke his greedy little mind right there.

I like how lauda told PN7 he started to sound like QS again if he criticized lauda in anyway after that and PN7 starts kissing ass ....oh I wasn't being nasty about you lauda. Lol

It is pathetic to become someone's bitch for a sig. Especially someone you've maintained is a scammer and dangerous for years.
I dont give much more than one fuck about some self escrow where nobody lost any money at all, not compared to allowing yourself to become a  scammers bitch and engaging in red tag removal trading for some shit sig btc dust.  

Theymos must be dumb as a bag of rocks if he didnt see what happened there.
Then again he has soft spot for scum like lauda, qs , suchmoron, tman, probably even likes nutildah and lfc bitcoin. Be very sad to see them leave I'm sure whilst attacking honest members.

Want to debunk any posts I've just made go ahead and try. Not pulling punches with anyone here now. Debunk evidence that I can present to corroborate my statements or keep quiet.

Btw merry xmas you pathetic losers. I'm shopping for islands whilst you dregs beg for each others approval and forgiveness for being a bunch of low level scamming losers scrabbling around for scraps and stepping on each others toes for the last 8 years ho ho ho

You lied you were banned? Who gives a fuck? Supporting scammers and removing legitimate warnings placing honest members in danger is far more disgusting. Just for some btc dust.

Previously QS appeared to be useful and even reasonably reliable both in logic and reason. Which he may be capable of at a level surpassing most current DT morons. That is not the point though. For money this weasel will do or say anything.
Forgiveness is possible but to endanger others deliberately by removing warnings of financially motivated wrongdoing or the willingness to work with others that are scammers for your own gain. Only DT1 members are likely to go along with that, since they are cut from the same cloth.

Being forgiven by DT usually means you're dirty as fuck but you're seen as either useful or too powerful and are accepted to share their pillage of this once great forum.  You may worm tongue them into believing you fit with the former.

I had previously not minded QS but now he's almost as detestable as the majority of DT1.
Weak greedy and sneaky.

Fuck your grovelling pathetic tales of being sorry.

Either a drunk QS who's style is off.
Not Qs
Or QS driven by extra greed of spiralling btc dust sigs wants to spam from both accounts asap.

He cant admit he's PN7 because he sold his ass to lauda to save the PN7 account and suchmoon would have to copy her red tags to PN7 if it is proven it's the same person. Which clearly it is but impossible for prove.

This will be my last word of Primesellout7 and he should be grateful I chimed  in.  Now DT1 are more likely to accept you back. You have all the credentials if you ask me.  Unless I chose to say more.

2021 looks like a bigger surprise than 2020 ! ( ohh, it's already too much of an excitement )

Anyways, have a great next year QS.

One possibility you hadn't considered...

QS has been asked/told to tidy any loose ends before their UID permanently falls silent.

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I have a working theory certain users have been asked to clear out their desks, or, choose just one alt to go forward with.

TMAN ...LAUDA  and a handful of other profiles (I'll let people speculate endlessly which ones they are) and that it's QS' turn to logout for the last time.

I never had any problem with Quickseller. Au contraire! I noticed he has a high expertise in Blockchain analysis, as can be seen here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1577411.msg15838824#msg15838824), for example.

Observing his expertise in the field, I contacted him once to help me with the investigation about paraipan and the missing 250 BTC and he helped me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266812.msg55587401#msg55587401) a lot, as it can be seen from the linked post.

No matter his earlier conflicts here, if the man says he is sorry, it should be taken into consideration... He is trying to make things right and this should be appreciated. As many of you know, theymos also recommended at some point in the past to try to be merciful and try to forget if someone was wrong in the past, if that person truly regrets. I really believe that Quickseller is honest here.

He doesn't lie but he doesn't want to tell us about account Primenumber7 either. Cmon quacksy, it is not that hard, there are only 2 possibilities:

"PM7 is my alt account"
"PM7 isn't my alt account".

Pick one.

Honest about what? He's been lying and sockpuppeting for years and now says he's sorry about one episode years ago, which - according to some posters even in this thread - doesn't matter anymore, happened before their time, etc. If anything, the apology is as manipulative as ever since it sounds like an attempt to imply that Quicksy hasn't lied and sockpuppeted beyond that one episode but he obviously has.

I chose more. 

Well, that may be true. However I still dont view QS as dangerous as members you've blocked warnings on before and included in DT.

1. People know who he is
2. He's never actually caused people to lose money ( that I know of)
3. Never protected or pumped a scam ( that I know of)
4. Never abused the trust system that I know of
Actually no he removed legit warnings and traded red tag removals.
5. Has occasionally helped people apparently selflessly



Most in DT can not say those things about themselves.

I don't at all like QS now that he got in bed with scammers and allowed himself to be punked by them. Weak and pathetic.

Lets keep this in perspective though he hasn't directly harmed anyone here. Well apart from removing legit warnings but that was under duress

Most DT1 = pure scum.
QS/ PN7 = WEAK and greedy.

Should all congregate into one mass cesspool of DT1.
Hurry up and put him on your includes and remove the red tags.

Suchmoon has a personal gripe for being doxxed.
She is right what she says but then protects and supports people that are worse when it suits her.
Stop whining or put your money where your mouth is.

You're not bad at walking between the rain drops pulling the strings on DT1 but one day I feel a meteor is coming to splat that fat ass.
Meteoricly speaking of course.

I would love to see PN7 slapped red and taken off sigs.
Serve him right dirty little back stabber.
Either that or get them both on DT1. Keep the turds in the same bowl.

I would trust him to escrow more than some on DT1. Even if I was trading with him at the same time lol

This apology though lol suchmoon is right.... it's a joke and concerning a very minor issue.  
Apologise for being punked by lauda and crew and say your principles wont be shelved when next you're bullied by DT1.
Then the real members here that have achieved something can give some respect.
Not a bunch of newbie greedy self serving scum who only count to themselves.

This forum will be closely scrutinised in the future. Better to leave a legacy to be proud of then some temporary enrichment.
I have been greedy before and it took a long time to feel full redemption.
I have been weak before but never again.
Decide what is right and proper and never back down. Certainly not for sig dust.

I still say this is not a strong match for QS posting style. I feel its sold.

We'll see if he is honest, or just pretending.

Quickseller - is PrimeNumber7 your alt?

If he doesn't answer directly, then you should rethink what you consider honesty is.

You sent me an unsolicited PM asking me to admit that I didn't return the btc from TF, implying that if I admitted to this, you would remove my negative trust. When I refused, you started playing games.

That doesn't sound like me - more lies make this apology worthless, and hurts your PrimeNumber7 account.  

By "unsolicited" do you mean in the spirit of #2020peace that was going around?

By "games" do you mean asking for proof you sent the coins back?  Proof is not a game.

^ Vod, please, one question per post, if you ask more questions QS will forget to answer that one about PrimeNumber7.

Oh, wait, he already forgot.

If that wasn't his account, he would say so in an instant.  Thinking if he doesn't admit it, we won't associate them together.  :/

Quickseller is PrimeNumber7. 

Give him a break. If you'd been farming and selling accounts for years you'd know how hard it is to keep track of all of them. Also - would you really want to remember all the scamming and plagiarizing shitheads you sold them to.

But hey, he apologized for one sockpuppet.

Maybe PrimeNumber7 will create new topic on New Year's Eve and apologize for his other sockpuppets?

Quickseller I mean, not PrimeNumber7, damn fat fingers. ^edited

Last night, I reported about 20 posts, including 4 by SM herself that contain her a name. There are a bunch in the GAW thread that remain unhandled, it might be because it is such a massive thread.

I guess in the douchenozzle universe reporting my posts absolves you of your repeated attempts to put other people in harm's way.

Let's recap for the slow kids:

Some asshole purchased from another asshole a fake dox of me. This was back BEFORE the anti-doxing rules were established.

I unsuccessfully tried to deny the validity of the dox because that's all I could do at the time.

Some other assholes including Quicksy repeatedly posted the dox even AFTER the anti-doxing rules had been established. Quicksy's excuse was that my denials meant I posted it myself so it's fair game... This also led to the correct dox being dug up by someone but that one now appears to have been squashed.

tl;dr: moving 5-years-old posts to Investigations won't do jack shit. Banning Quicksy and other persistent malicious doxers would be a step in the right direction.

Having discovered the shoe is now on my other foot, these DT Trollls will say and do anything to continue to be confrontational regardless of who they take out as collateral damage along the way. So, I am seeing your predicament QS in a new light having come here Cap-in-hand to reconsile with these DT Trolls only to have them continue to Troll you.

Take my advice QS: place the DT Trolls on ignore including via PM.  You don't need their agrovation.

It was QS that sent me the unsolicited PM to visit this thread.   I've taken your advice and blocked him for at least another year.   Maybe 2021 will be the year he decides to become an honest person.

This is false, you were not sent a PM to visit this thread.

End 2020 the same way you started it - lying.

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You should have an admin verify the authenticity of you receiving a PM from me with that title.

You can show you are genuine by distrusting your partner Vod for this behavior. Unfortunately you aren’t genuine, or consistent, or care about doing what’s right. You only care about you and what gets you more influence in the trust network to terrorize others who don’t share your views from participating here.

Then do it.  Theymos has my permission to ban me with prejudice if you did not send that PM.


Defund the police!  Let the scammers win and everyone else starve! 

OG loses over $100,000,000 in bitcoin investments and he wants to offer advice?

I was planning on staying out of this, because I don't have a dog in this fight.  QS has always been decent and polite to me, so I have no personal grievances against him.  I've said it before; I enjoy reading QS's posts, and often find his contributions welcome and valuable.

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for; my unsolicited opinion about this apology:


At first blush, I was really impressed.  This is great.  Here's an apology for 5 year old dispute, long held grudges, and an obvious abuse of the community's trust.  There's even an a half-hearted acknowledgement that what we suspected is true; Panther52 is QS.  

It does take a lot of balls to own up to having made a mistake.  But wait, what's this:


Who cares where you got the idea? Is that supposed to absolve you of shady dealings?  I watched Ocean's 11 a few weeks ago, but I'm not plotting to rob a casino now.  WTF, over?  

And I'll be honest, the first thing that came to mind when I read the above paragraph was: who is this guy that gave you this shitty idea, and why haven't you exposed him for the scammer that he is?


Here you claim that you've never stolen from anyone, but I take issue with that statement.  You admitted that you were providing escrow for your own dealings, and by all appearances you were charging fees for the escrow service.  Claiming that you've never stolen makes me think that semantics are more important to you than actions.  Obviously you were charging for a service that was not provided.  Sure, technically that's not theft, but it's rather deceptive, and certainly fraudulent.  You may not have scammed anyone through your deception, but it was deception nonetheless.  A deception that earned you some marginal fees.  Didn't Wells Fargo just recently get run through the wringer for doing similar stuff?

You also claim that your reputation is important to you, and I have no reason to doubt that.  In fact, I believe you.  You've never let your red tags get in the way of being helpful to others, and I can't recall a time when you've blatantly lied about anything.  But there's a fine line between lying and not telling the truth.  For five years you've been omitting or manipulating facts, obfuscating the truth, and simply steering around accusations of sockputting without actually denying it.

Put all this together, and all of the sudden your claim of being "a very principled person" starts to sound a bit laughable.  Principled people don't do things they know to be wrong, they don't deny responsibility or accountability for having done things that are wrong, and they don't continue to do the wrong thing until they're caught.  They don't wait 5 years after being caught to apologize for their wrongdoings.  So now after having had time to really digest this apology, it comes off as rather contrite.

None of what I wrote above would prevent me from giving you the benefit of the doubt however, if you did actually start to act as if you are a very principled person.  I would suggest coming clean about all of it.  The sockpuppeting, the account sales, the self escrow, the doxxing, all of it.  If you truly care about your reputation, that would be a good place to start.  If you were to come clean, none of these gripes being aired out by Vod and Suchmoon would have any meaning.  They become just that; gripes.  Once you acknowledge and own them, they no longer have power over you.

Responsibility and accountability; traits of very principled people.  

A couple posts up.   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5303539.msg55969163#msg55969163

I've reported the post and asked that he be temp banned for using Theymos in his lie.

What am I supposed to do?  PM Theymos and ask him if I received the message?  Its in my frickin inbox lol.

Lol, I did say "blatantly."  I suspect more of QS's semantics games are at play here.

There are no semantics games. I had addressed a PM to Vod and received an error message saying it was not sent to him because he had blocked PMs from me. Prior to making that post, I checked my outbox and confirmed that Vods name was not on the list of people that were BCCed on the message I sent.

The only way what I said would be false is if I sent the message to a secret alt of Vods. 

So have you asked Theymos to verify it was sent to me?  I can't really ask him since I see it.  lol

This. We don't need contrived apologies, dramatic exits, cringy bragging, none of that shit really matters. Reputation is earned, not claimed or declared.

It seems that I am mistaken. I received confirmation that the message was in fact delivered to Vod, according to Theymos.

My apologies.

I have no alt accounts you idiot. 

I got one too, are you saying you didn't send this pm?

I said that I was mistaken..

It was supposed to explain that I did not have bad intentions. This was something that others did out in the open.

It was tomatocage. He was also caught (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938340.0;all) doing this, and no one seemed to care. He also left himself positive trust, which is something I have never done. The above, along with the experience I posted lead me to believe this was an accepted practice. I have since realized this is wrong.

So, if I were to give you a loan...

And I were to hold your collateral, you don't think that would constitute bad intentions?  What if I had taken every precaution to cause you to believe that you were dealing with two separate people?

Come on, man!  You know what you were doing was wrong, don't play that bad intentions shit.


Ah, I see.  Was that before or after you bought the tomatocage account?

Is there proof that QS bought the tomatocage account?

Honestly, that is not something that would bother me, as long as all obligations to me are followed. If I had reason to believe this had not been done to other people, I would privately warn you that your behavior is frowned upon by the community, and that it is ill advisable to continue that kind of behavior. I would not try to ruin your reputation over a single mistake.

When tomatocage was caught escrowing for himself, he was laughed at by haploid23 for getting caught, and no one batted an eye. This included scammers who were tagged by tomatocage who had an incentive to bring up any dirty laundry that might result in getting their tags removed.

You can say it is obvious to you that what I was doing was wrong, and that might be true. However I would honestly say I did not realize what I was doing was wrong at the time, and that is the truth. Tomatocage at the time was one of the most respected forum members, along with one of the most trusted. I don't think there is anyone comparable to TC today -- there are influential people, and people that receive a lot of merit, but these people in my view don't have the same type of standing that TC had.

What a load of BS. If it was a "mistake", or you honestly believed that it's acceptable, why would go to such lengths to deny it, fake a ban, attempt to discredit people outing your alts etc.

You should probably look up the definition of escrow and its obligations.

But nice try again to paint it as the only bad thing you ever did, oh and it wasn't really bad because what about other people. Your inability to genuinely admit any fault if quite amazing, possibly only exceeded by your masterful use of fallacies.

In my opinion:

• This is misleading because you charge for a service you're not providing. (I think we can all agree on that)
• Apart from the fee, the escrow isn't used because of being a third party, but because of having a trusted reputation. If the deal would be with the escrow directly, the other party likely wouldn't require an escrow. (I'm not sure if we can all agree on this one)
• There isn't any more risk than any other deal in which the escrow deals with 2 real parties instead of his own alt and someone else. (I think violating this deal would be the same risk and result in the same reputation damage as violating a deal with 2 other parties)

And this is mostly speculation but I wasn't arround at the time: did QS escrow this deal because he didn't want his alt to become known? AKA the main reason to do this was to secure his account farming at the time? Or did he knowingly suggest himself as an escrow to mislead the other party in pretending they are different people?

As I can see from your trust page, you were trusted, in my opinion you didn't really need to self-escrow funds to gain more trust. So why did you do it?

Oh, silly me, I forget to ask you when are you going to apologize to me for spreading lies that I was forced off DT1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5128907.msg50568194#msg50568194)?

I had stopped farming accounts earlier that year, and have not farmed accounts since then.

The purpose was to protect my IRL identity. Panthers52 was originally intended to be farmed when I created it, however it turned into an account I used to chat. I never took any steps to increase trust positive trust ratings on accounts I sold, although I did receive one DT positive trust rating because I pointed out a scam.

I predict Quicksy will come clean in Dec 2021 about PrimeNumber7 and apologize.  OG will continue to deny he escrow scammed with his alt Rmcdermott927.

It would bother me.  Even if the intention was not to scam, and in the example above I would be jeopardizing the reputation of my main account if I were to scam, it's the deception that's troubling.  One is left to question; why the deception?  

It wouldn't be wrong of me to insist on holding the collateral for a loan I granted.  I'd like to believe that I'm trusted enough that most of my clients would feel comfortable with that situation.  And if not, I'm not going to go out of my way to deceive them.

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I agree with you, and maybe that's not the best example if someone was looking to scam, but that's not what I suspect of QS.  


There's obviously something not right going on.  Surreptitiously bulging a the reputation of the alt is the only thing I can see as the benefit of doin the deal described above.

I think its great that you're exhibiting some humility and your acknowledgment of potential misdeeds is commendable. However,


https://i.imgflip.com/4s2est.jpg

People should be forgiven for past mistakes but you just refreshed your denial of what is obviously your alt being your alt. (Among other things,) PN7's first post on the forum was commentary on theymos' motivations. I mean, c'mon.

I'm sure he can come up with some sleazeball definition of "farming" that doesn't apply to his sockpuppeting.

Hmm... I think you're right here. Farming isn't the same thing as sockpuppeting. I guess QS was telling the truth after all.

I was answering your question specifically how I would feel about the situation. I also understand that others feel differently.

Maybe granting loans is different than trading physical items, which is what I was doing, and there would be less of a legitimate reason to hold collateral for a loan with a hidden alt. The transactions I acted as escrow for myself were transactions in which I had to disclose my IRL identity, or risk being forced to refund my buyer if something went wrong. One of the transactions involved me shipping something internationally, and I had to disclose my IRL identity on the customs form which is attached to the package. The other transaction involved me selling someone bitcoin via Western Union (it might have been a similar service), and if I didn't put my real name on the sending form (the information of which is available to the seller I believe), I would be unable to get a refund from Western Union if for some reason the buyer could not pick up the money.

As I said above, the reason I did this was because I wanted to protect my IRL identity.

You were the first profile that was caught escrowing for yourself, but that little scam has become tolerated now as some of the biggest sellers have also done it. 

But why are you apologizing for being sneaky when you are currently doing it with PrimeNumber7?   I hope no one takes your apologies seriously until you actually change your ways.  :/

Quicky

Apologising for the self escrow debacle & coming clean is very honest & noble, you didn’t have to do this. I would advise to lock the thread now though as the usual suspects are just trying to dig you out on other stuff.

It's like Trump apologizing for the riots while he tries to organize another one.  Quicksy runs alt accounts where he does what he apologizes for from this account.  There is no nobility here.   

I wish that I had seen this last year.

Quickseller, thank you for affirmatively dispelling my remaining doubts about you.  I think it’s big of you finally to come clean on the Panthers52 affair—especially when, sadly but inevitably, it could not but be expected that you would be met with a barrage of hostility from people who are more interested in humiliating you than in the truth.  It is just the way that things work on this forum.

If it makes you feel any better, my first thought on seeing this was:  Wow, I wish that Lauda were here.  I’m sure that it would have been a big moment for her to see this.

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A message to all of the people who have been attacking PrimeNumber7 on this thread:

I am >90% sure that Quickseller and PrimeNumber7 are different individuals, and the alt account accusation is totally false.  I cannot be 100% sure, without first-hand knowledge—or without at least knowing them both much better than I do.  But after having studied the question over a long period of time, I am almost sure of it.

You should consider that you are catching an innocent bystander in the crossfire of your animus toward Quickseller.  And for what?  Even assuming that the accusations presented on the flimsiest of evidence were correct, there is here no accusation of alt accounts being used to facilitate a scam.  You are risking damage to an innocent party if you are wrong about PrimeNumber7, for no reason but a grudge against Quickseller.

That is unconscionable and indefensible.  Stop it.

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By happenstance, I found this thread a few days ago.  I wanted to compose a proper response; but I have not had time to keep up properly with the forum and with other threads, so it kept being pushed down my list of things to do.  I should have made earlier such a simple response as the foregoing.

For the record, I note that last month, before Quickseller posted this thread, I intended to remove my ~ on him.  I decided to wait and watch for a full year since he removed trust feedback that I had found objectionable.  Now, I wish that I had done it before.  Anyway, I have done it now, thus resetting him to the default state.  I don’t have any negative feedback on him to review.  I have opposed the flag on him.  I am debating whether I should pull a TMAN, or keep waiting and watching.  :-)

Happy New Year, Quickseller—and good luck.

That's funny. That's exactly how I feel about your take on the subject. I think you are being intellectually dishonest for continuing to claim otherwise. Even removing the tons of evidence I have provided, you're still left with evidence suggested by hilariousandco about them using the exact same words while writing reports. And then you've also completely removed the aspect of common sense.

I don't care what kind of deal Lauda had with Quickseller to pretend they're not the same person. You should have just let Lauda's words on the subject speak for themselves instead of trying to re-interpret their legacy.

That's my final opinion on the subject.

With some necessary context restored to the internal quotation:

When my whole point is to stop the off-topic attacks on a person who is not involved in this thread, I will not be drawn into rehashing the details of the PrimeNumber7 accusation by the fantastical mischaracterizations of an overt promoter of LSD use (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55409631#msg55409631).

Quote from: nutildah on January 15, 2021, 02:07:17 AM

I don't care what kind of deal Lauda had with Quickseller to pretend they're not the same person.

Your such accusation against Lauda is false, malicious, and defamatory.  I will tag accordingly.

There was no “deal”, and Lauda did not “pretend” anything.  I have direct knowledge whereof I speak, because I had extensive private discussions with Lauda about both Quickseller and PrimeNumber7 at the pertinent time last January–February.  At the time, she concluded exactly what she said publicly:

Quote from: Lauda on February 03, 2020, 10:26:09 AM

I've given this a great deal of thought, considered the possibilities and their related probabilities:

• Case 1: They are alts, and he's trying to correct his ways - I will not damage his attempt.
• Case 2: They are not alts - I do not want to damage PN7.

Which case is the correct one, I do not know. I think he is not proved innocent and not proved guilty. I believe this does not require a long explanation, and will not give one publicly either. Therefore, hereby, I retract my rating.

If you indeed aren't alts, I am sorry PN7.

Signed,
Queen of Cats (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098579.0).

I hereby said, for my own part, that I have concluded, to a high probability, that PrimeNumber7 is not Quickseller’s alt.  Because you are a drug-addled liar, you conflated what I said to Quickseller about how Lauda would react to his apology with what I said for my own part about PrimeNumber7.

Quote from: nutildah on January 15, 2021, 02:07:17 AM

You should have just let Lauda's words on the subject speak for themselves instead of trying to re-interpret their legacy.

To uphold the honour of Lauda’s legacy, I must note that Lauda was very strongly opposed to drug abuse.  It is what made the “pills” false accusation so funny, in a twisted way; that became a running joke between us, until Quickseller ruined it by apologizing to her.  Thereafter, I had to satisfy myself with poking fun at her witchcraft.  Lauda never did drugs, but she definitely did witchcraft!

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Quickseller, I am very sorry for these ugly off-topic flamewars on your thread here.

Can you do an ELI5 for people who don't have time to read WOTs... what exactly was the alleged "defamation" against the dead cat that made you a high-risk in a trade?

Awesome. I'm particularly intrigued how you managed to damage the no-longer-relevant reputation of a user account that left this forum with such a fanfare... maybe nullius wasn't aware that Lauda is no longer with us. You should apologize and blame Tomatocage, that will make it right.


I don't have such qualms. It was cringy AF.

And there I thought, that I was the troll.
But it's OK, everyone and their mothers can tell that nullius has owned you both - on more occasions that you'd like to admit.

I hope you girls re-al-ize, and learn to live with that. :-*

Lol, so chivalrous of you to appoint yourself the custodian of "Lauda's Legacy," and take it upon yourself to determine how it is to be honored.  Good job, you lifeless cunt.  Maybe consider spending that kind of energy finding a female with a pulse rather wasting it on fake internet "pussies?"

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Self escrow for physical items doesn't seem any different to me, and certainly just as deceptive.  The other party was expecting a neutral, third party to be involved incase there was a dispute that need mediation.  You deceived them into a false sense of security.


That excuse may have worked at first, but the continuation of all your sockpuppeting seems to suggest there's more to the story.

nutildah, you are slippery.  Too bad for you that brains permanently addled by LSD have trouble keeping stories straight:

With “they” referring to Quickseller and PrimeNumber7:

So, what do you “retract”?  The allegation that Lauda cut a “deal” (impliedly with some exchange of consideration) to “pretend” something that she impliedly knew to be untrue, based on your alleged secret “sources”?  (Perhaps you were told by the same person who told Quickseller that Lauda had a drug addiction?)  —Or the allegation that Lauda and Quickseller publicly “came to some sort of understanding through forgiveness”?  Please clarify, so that I can understand what to make of your “retraction”.  ::)

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You removed my inline hyperlink to what I am talking about, so that you can pretend that I am spouting nonsense.  That is deeply dishonest of you.  Here is the proper quote:


The subject of drug abuse promoters in DT is one that I have been intending to raise for months, with appropriate tags and a public call for exclusions.  It needs to be done, and it needs to be done right, and I simply have not had the time for such a thread.

Whereas it is funny that hereby in this thread, your position is being supported by someone who has a history of reporting people to the IRS and the FBI—who knows, maybe the DEA, too.  As an anarchist, of course I do not advocate such a thing—#justsaying.  Anyway, lawman Vod, why do you give such credence to crazy rumours fomented primarily by nutildah, a hallucinogenic drug abuser and advocate, and suchmoon, who uses source merits to reward the blatant advocacy of doing drugs?  You are believing conspiracy theories peddled by the forum’s Timothy Leary, who has told me that I am ignorant about LSD and psilocybin because I have never had the “educational” experience of frying my own brain with the stuff (!).

Stereotypical drug-abuser rationalizations.  Hey, Vod, hasn’t every law-and-order type seen these clichés a thousand times?  ::)


Merited by suchmoon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771) (4), strawbs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=126778) (2), vapourminer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33156) (1), 600watt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=88912) (1), sirazimuth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=372243) (1), P_Shep (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=47656) (1), soullyG (http://) (1), OutOfMemory (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249859) (1)

(Don’t bother deleting anything.  I have been keeping evidence all along.)

Frankly, I cannot believe that anyone trusts the judgment of someone so delusional that he thinks that tripping on LSD is in any way whatsoever analogous to taking a trip to France.  —Or that anyone even wants to talk to such a person.

Anyway, Quickseller and PrimeNumber7, I am very sorry that both of your respective reputations have been damaged by nonsense peddled by some addle-brained scum who actively tries to drag others into his acid-dropper lifestyle (see above quotes), and by his playground-clique pals.  Yes, I saw nutildah’s “evidence” last year; the attempt at linguistic analysis was unscientific bunkum, nothing like what tspacepilot did.  (Unfortunately, not many Reputation regulars have the technical expertise to understand what tspacepilot did, and why it was significant.)  As for what hilarious said, well—he is the one who has been sowing rumours that Lauda will return with an alt.  Yes, I recently compared hilarious alt theories to QAnon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282911.msg56075357#post_hilarious_q); I thought that it was funny.  His uncorroborated statements should be taken with a grain of salt.

Overall, especially when you haven’t actually been accused of doing anything wrong (!), all of this is just another smear campaign.

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cryptohunter, are you transforming into nutty nutildah!?  :(

I am surprised that you would buy into this, CH.  Objectively, the QS/PN7 alt accusation is a case study on how rumours, gossip, and peer pressure amongst suchmoon’s little lunchroom clique can produce groupthink “facts” that everybody just “knows”.


You know what, CH, I am in the mood to take you up on that.  I won’t debate nutildah, because I don’t like to argue with the self-made crazy of acid-droppers; it is a policy that I have learned by experience, to avoid wasting my time and, frankly, to preserve my own sanity.  But you are more reasonable than nutildah—or at least, you are less unreasonable, relatively speaking.  (Admittedly, that is damning you with faint praise—sorry for comparing you to nutildah!)

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There was no “deal”.  I spent days arguing the PrimeNumber7 case with Lauda.  I debated her about it intensively—I debated her publicly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216961.msg53653110#msg53653110), and much moreso in private.  She kept trying to convince me that he was Quickseller, and her tag was justified.  I kept trying to convince her that the case was at best weak as hell, and she should untag him.  I am thus reasonably sure that her reason for untagging him was that I won the debate.

We regularly debated a wide range of topics.  Usually, neither of us could persuade the other; usually otherwise, she prevailed.  The PrimeNumber7 case was one of very few instances in which I ever convinced her of anything; I will take that as an indication of the quality of arguments on both sides.

And I was not only debating Lauda!

Let us step back for a moment, for context.  Quickseller, I don’t like to dig this up; but the following litany of quotes needs to be assembled in one place, so that people can see what really happened.

Merited by Vod (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747) (2)

CH, how is this for “objective standards”, “being fair to everybody”, and “not having a double standard”:  At a time when I in DT, when I had strong anti-QS biases and an admitted tendency to treat QS alt accusations with a presumption of guilt, I acted against my own biases.  I applied the same standard to PrimeNumber7 as I had applied to my dear friend Lauda.  Compare the above quotation with the following:


Topic subject:  @PrimeNumber7 is an alt account of @Quickseller
Post subject:  I am not Quickseller.


Given the timing of events, I reasonably infer that my above-quoted “I am not Quickseller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216961.msg53650036#msg53650036)” speech in PrimeNumber7’s defence must have moved Quickseller to a soul-searching moment.  If he is not PN7, then he has first-hand knowledge that he is not PN7; and he thus had first-hand knowledge that an innocent bystander was being smear-attacked by people with an anti-QS grudge, using exactly the same “he did not deny it!” argument that he himself had used against Lauda.  In retrospect, I can see how that must have left him burning with shame and remorse.

Before now, Quickseller was always unmoved when people attacked his Panthers52 alt.  He either ignored it, or counterattacked in epic flamewars.  The above-quoted discussion evidently got to him in a way that nothing in the Panthers52 case ever did.  I thus weigh his reaction (—what I reasonably infer to have been his reaction—) as evidence that he is not PrimeNumber7:  If he had been PN7, the rational reaction would have been to play it cool while I was accidentally defending his selfish interests using the same arguments that I had previously used to attack him.  His reaction was too altruistic, too laden with guilt—exactly how he would feel if PN7 was an innocent bystander.

Evoking his remorse was not my intention—sorry, Quickseller, I didn’t expect that you would be so reasonable, let alone conscionable!  I simply thought that it was the perfect argument to induce some soul-searching by the people attacking PrimeNumber7—sorry, I expected that such characters as suchmoon would be more reasonable (and conscionable) than they turned out to be.  But Quickseller turned out to be the good one.  About 47 hours after I started that line of argument, he suddenly and unexpectedly apologized to Lauda.

I know that Lauda’s reaction to Quickseller’s apology was utter shock, because I was in active discussion with her when Quickseller posted it.  I got her contemporaneous private reaction, before she replied.  She did not see this coming.


Thus after almost two years of keeping silent in the face of a totally baseless false accusation, Lauda finally denied it.

In 2018, I myself had urged her both publicly and privately to keep her silence.  For if people can be made to deny accusations so weak that there is anyway no probable cause to believe the accusation, then it would set a horrible precedent:

• suchmoon, a friend of a friend told me that you torture cute kittens for sadistic pleasure.  Do you deny it?  WHY DON’T YOU DENY IT!?  Very interesting:  suchmoon does not deny being a sadistic kitten-torturer.
  
  (Oh, and if you do deny it, then tomorrow, the question will be if you admit or deny that you are a cannibal who eats babies kidnapped by space aliens.  WHY DON’T YOU DENY IT!?  You see how that works.)
• Quickseller, I saw in a thread somewhere a theory that you are theymos’ alt:
  
  
  Quote from: Timelord2067 on June 19, 2019, 04:35:31 PM
  Quote from: killyou72 on June 13, 2019, 01:59:51 PM

  (That would be fucking nuts if quickseller was an alt of theymos)
  

  
  There's an admin who in a PM to me claimed he is an alt of quickseller... after my posts started getting deleted... [...] I can accept one of quicksellers' alts is an admin.
  
  
  Quickseller/theymos has never denied this!  WHY DON’T YOU DENY IT!?  Very interesting:  Quickseller does not deny that he is administrator of this forum.
• In 2018, Quickseller accused me of being Lauda’s alt:
  
  
  Quote from: Quickseller on February 17, 2018, 03:29:54 PM
  nullius is lauda. That is very clear. Anyone who does not see this is simply closing their eyes.
  
  I have never denied it.  WHY DON’T I DENY IT!?  Very interesting...

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Thank you for showing your true face.  Usually, you are more skilled at fooling people...


...or at least, you think you are.

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Edit:  Obviously, this was posted while I was writing—quoted for the record:


Reprehensible.  Beneath reply, except that I must laugh at the Internet wannabe Sherlock Holmes types who find conspiratorial connections everywhere—and yet, who fail to notice that, among other things, Lauda took her final avatar and personal text from things that I made for her.  So much for your pathetic attempt to distance me from her legacy. 😼


CH, why are you transforming into DireWolfM14?  :(

Everyone knows that I dislike the willing scam facilitator for pay loser ( prior stake nem holder and dash adopter,  now peasant begging for 0.02btc loans and spamming for dust) trust abuser nutildah.

I think nullius is a genuinely better person than most of the others here.  Clearly they love lauda and admired them strongly.
I will hold no animosity to his actions connected to anything lauda related here. Even though I view them as incorrect on each and every point. Including the scamming and deliberate plagiarism.

I note also nullius is not greedy and the sole motivator appears to be loyalty and admiration. I accept lauda could show a side that people could appreciate.

I have also previously considered QS as okay. I feel they were bullied over a small issue for far too long and far too harshly comparitively. Certainly what they did is nowhere near as bad as .. willing scam facilitating for a price or auction scamming by deception with clear intentionion to push bidding above its natural organic level. But they were DT and praised whilst QS was a pariah? Both could be scamming but

I will say that there can never exist incontrovertible proof of control of 2 accounts even with server side data. With all of these deep fakes even the moronbozo aka zorrobeck ? Zorroback?/suchmoons standard of " video evidence " is not sufficient.

However, there can be observsble and reasonable connections pointed out.

I must confess that due to becoming rich beyond the confines of needing to be at all careful with all manner of personal treats ,  there are  limitless distractions that prevent focus on bct. So the time spent here will naturally be reduced. Sad news I know.  Also the more time spent absent,  the more the mind seeks to reduce the stain that DT1 via the brilliant and ingenious system theymos sharted over the once great forum. The brown misty haze covers the once clear details one was able to clearly focus upon and pull out at will.

I currently believe that quickseller and lauda et al ( the lauda gang aka tman, owl etc) cut a deal..
Suddenly mutually set aside years of being convinced each other were among the most dangerous scammers here on bct due to uncovering independently verifiable truths or evidence that was hidden from them up until that exact moment.
To redacting chunks of text, changing thread titles and even removing URLs for trust feedback which in turn was converted from red to neutral. Basically an instant, mutual and clear 180 from both sides at the same time right after the lauda tagging PN7 event?

Two sides, both convinced the other is a serious scamming threat to the forum for years do not stumble upon evidence that nullified those beliefs at the same time. A deal was cut in my opinion. What other sensible explanation is there?

This suddenly took place after PN7 got a tag from lauda. The trigger.

This is not taking into account any linguistic analysis since. However, unless you are deliberately intending to give the impression the accounts are connected then those similarities are notable. Who can speculate on the motivations of anonymous accounts

The fact that when PN7 started criticising lauda , lauda openly threatened them with " you are starting to sound like QS again" from which PN7 started grovelling around saying " oh I don't mean you lauda" is again notable and telling.

This is not agreeing with anyone here. I certainly would detest to be on any side with nutildah or suchmoon et al

I don't care about any linguistic correlation. That was not the basis and I'm not sure I even knew about that before I started to notice events that said to me a deal had been struck between qs/pn7 and lauda et al.

This is not something I'm set in stone over, the timeline of events I've mentioned could be debunked as sloppy investigative work but I've not had the time or enough inclination to really bother thrashing it out.  I am reasonably confident the objective observer would take my view but as ever I'm open to transparent public debate and investigation and would of course remain open minded.

I would expect most people with any history here would trust QS with their trades and money more than most of DT1 due to many factors and one of which is they are known in RL.
I have to say the constant apologies and overtures to DT1 are nauseating and repulsive.
They serve no real purpose. Other than to reveal what a snivelling pathetic weasel you are. I have no idea why you are still grovelling about debasing yourself further for merely the chance to sig spam for dust.

Suchmoon is the key here for QS. The only thing about suchmoon you can enjoy other than her enormous bust is that it doesn't do being slimy and making up. It actually derives pleasure from being caustic and doesnt appreciate being doxed. It also hates sneaky worms saying anything to weasel back into favour with her group, she knows full well QS hates them with a passion. Of course suchmoon is thoroughly detestable and easily defeated in open debate from which it runs away from.

I seek only the truth. I don't think you can trust anyone here on this thread (excluding myself). Each are corrupted by different driving forces that prevent them being anywhere near objective. Some forces are less distasteful than others. Some are hardwired in as a need, others deliberate and calculated greed or narcissism. The reader should trust only my words and go therefore and research for themselves the events I have described.

Someone who wanted to could detail a full timeline of events and analyse them thoroughly and transparently. That would be more revealing.

Anyway even if QuickSellout7 is thing I guess it does not take away entirely from his apology. I find it nauseating, some may appreciate it.
I'm not sure what the motivation is. I suspect a gradual creeping back into favour with those he considers have insurmountable control and power here, others may say it stems from real regret and remorse.

Pathetic.


Please elaborate on the "conspiratorial connections" alluded to in my post.  Are you implying that I'm implying you are Lauda?  Don't flatter yourself, I know you aren't that clever.


You made an avatar for her?  ROFLMAO, okay fine, have it your way.  I hereby declare that Lauda and nullius are forever intertwined.  He made her an avatar, ffs!  :D :D

Both parties in question actually said at the time that they would have sent first to me if they had known they were dealing with QS.

The below definition of a "sockpuppet" from urban dictionary is very close to how I would describe "sockpuppeting:
I have not used any alt account to support my own point of view, or my side in a dispute after the self escrow incident.

There was no deal with Lauda. I simply wanted to stop the fighting and bickering with Lauda (and other forum members), and wanted to move on. My presumption is that Lauda felt the same way.

The urban dictionary's definition of sockpuppeting most likely doesn't account for the monetary value of Bitcointalk.org accounts.  So, like I said: there's more to the story.  To be blunt; my suspicion is that you were using this method to develop accounts, probably to sell at a later date.  

Did you also use them to hide your identity?  Probably.  Do I believe that was the only reason?  No.  Sorry, just being honest.  That's not to say that my mind could not be changed, or that my disbelief would prevent me from forgiving* you.

*I have never been affected by your shenanigans, so I use the word "forgive" in a general sense.

And OgNasty has never lost anyone's money.   ;)
Quickseller (your alt) and I were on good terms.
PrimeNumber7 (your alt) disagreed with something I wrote about Quickseller (your alt).
Quickseller (your alt) now agrees with PrimeNumber7 (your alt) not to be on good terms with me.

So I agree that you use your alts interchangeably to keep both relevant.  

Quicksy has most definitely used multiple (not owned up) accounts to post in the same thread so that's a lie up there. I'm sure he would like to reduce the sockpuppeting definition to explicitly saying "I support Quickseller's opinion" with the PrimeNumber7 account but that's bullshit like most of his pseudo lawyering. If you use multiple accounts to peddle some idea or opinion making others think that it's two different users supporting it - that's sockpuppeting by any sane definition.

Panthers52 was associated with my IRL identity. If I had sold that account and the buyer did bad things with it, such as scam someone, my IRL identity could have been associated with those bad things.
When I was farming accounts, I was not farming trust in any way, and was not attempting to increase the trust ratings of any of my accounts that were for sale.

I used poor judgement that was influenced by someone who was also doing things he shouldn't be doing, but whom I trusted. This is a mistake that I am not going to repeat, and I am not involved in any business in which I would even have the opportunity to repeat a similar mistake.