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101  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Radical Feminism (continued from Capitalism) on: June 24, 2013, 11:43:13 AM
Are you male or female? your facebook is male
my facebook is a facebook.
I am a facebook.
102  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin or bitcoin, NOT BitCoin. on: June 24, 2013, 07:45:11 AM
congratulations! your post has been randomly selected as the douchiest post of the day. as the winner of the contest, you receive 50 free bitchCoins to do with as you see fit.
Umadbro?
The Bitcoin foundation exists partially to standardize Bitcoin and prevent people from making the kind of blatant error the California C&D made.

How did you get my bitchCoin address? I had't planned a release for the bitchCoin fork until next week.

Also, If you can't be assed to come up with a lulzy example of some noob saying some dumb stuff about "BitCoin," GTFO.

Dig this: 'The path to one world currency - BitCoin Digital currency'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cVFHl7aYuE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

nah, apparently you are the one thats mad. who gives a shit how its spelled. they can call it onomatopoeia for all i care, as long as it maintains value
If they called it that, We'd be hard pressed to tell that they mean Bitcoin.
Also, NO U.
Also, inb4 grammar nazi, words don't mean anything, continued trollolol.
Also, reported to mod, at risk for ignore button, now contribute or gtfo.

pics or it didn't happen



Happened.
Cannot unsee.

I know someone's got some hilarious FUD that uses the uppercase C bookmarked up just for a thread like this.
103  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 24, 2013, 07:07:51 AM
Quote from: Rassah link=t
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Try imagining everything that is, ever was, or will be as one giant unending chain of atoms. Imagine your birth, childhood, adolescence, and eventual death as one unbroken chain of matter that connects with everything before and after it. Every molecule of water, land, and life in one unbroken chain circulating our solar system as one giant linked whole with no growth or movement. Now scale this up to a galactic or universal level. Now you have a sliver of an image of what timelessness is. If you want to learn more check out some books on time as the 4th dimension.

Circulating, without movement? I can imagine everything up to that point. I'm sell aware of the concept of the 4th dimension and beyond. But just as a 1st dimension line has to expand from a single point, and the 2nd dimension, and the third, the 4th expanded from a single point as well. And what does this vast interconnected chain, existing in the 4th dimension, have to do with pre-time?

Getting really philosophical here, but how did time evolve?  I am of the mindset (as I am sure you already know from past discussions on this thread) that God created time when he put the sun, moon and planets in their perfect places relative to each other at the moment the universe was created by Him.  What is the explanation of how that just happened by chance?  

As we know it, time is a function of matter/energy and velocity. The faster you go, or the more matter you condense into a spot, the slower the time moves. At a certain point, be it speed of light or extreme gravitational cingularity, time just stops moving completely, so nothing happens, at all. We use this understanding of relationship between time, matter, and velocity in our daily lives now.
We believe the same rules applied during the birth of our universe. Everything in our universe is expanding in a way that suggests that it all came from a single point. With the amount of gravity that would have existed when so much of the universe was together, time would have moved very slow. If you had a time machine, and tried to travel into the past to the beginning of the universe, you would never get there, because the farther back you go, the slower the time moves. It's like trying to travel down the line of a graph that approaches zero but never touches it, in a futile attempt to get to zero. At  a certain point, which was the very beginning of our universe, the time was almost stopped. At the point just before the creation of our universe, there was no such thing as "before." There was no time to measure before, during, and after, because nothing moved. There was no matter and velocity for time to exist in. So the idea that someone could "exist" in the "before," make decisions, and carry out actions, is a bit absurd, as all those things require a "before," a "during," and an "after." The most god could do is create the universe in the same infinitesimal fraction of a second as when the universe itself was created.

What are the odds that everything could have happened so that the rotation of the earth, at the precise distance from the sun, could have just happened by some random evolutionary chance?

Imagine you have a six-sided dice. No, rather, imagine you have a 1 trillion sided dice. And you need to roll exactly 5 for Earth to have the precise rotation and distance. What are the chances you will get that on a first roll? Now imagine you had hundreds of trillions of rolls, as there are hundreds of trillions of stars and planets in the universe. What are your chances of hitting a 5 at least once, now? What was god doing, creating hundreds of trillions of stars and planets in our universe, most of which don't come close to being like our Earth? (Though some apparently are similar)

http://youtu.be/oKKw_QilTcQ

Is god in the seventh dimension?
104  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 24, 2013, 07:02:42 AM
LOL. Wrong word obviously. Note edit. And come on, you know that just blew somebody's mind.

Your face ain't even bovvered. Nothing bovvers you. That's not a sustainable condition. God loves you too much. He'll be there when you need him Smiley
Who loves/ will be? Eris?
105  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-23 Forbes - Bitcoin Foundation Receives Cease And Desist Order From Ca on: June 24, 2013, 06:53:30 AM
Ill be honest, they are really starting to clamp down hard in the U.S and is making me nervous.

With this exception of this California action, everything else in the US has been completely consistent with existing US law.



I am speaking of the recent developments with the IRS and FinCen along with this as well as the numerous services surrounding bitcoin that have gone down.

As am I.  Recent developments with the IRS and FinCEN are entirely consistent with US law as it has existed for years.  Ditto Mutum Sigillium seizure warrant. Tax and MSB implications were directly addressed years ago in my State of the Coin 2011 presentation, among others.  If you operate outside the law in your jurisdiction, the obvious result occurs... eventually.



Then I must be confused with the state of things then. I was under the impression that the recent IRS (or was it FinCen??) ruling/statement was that mining bitcoins will/may require an MSB/MT licensure.

I could be wrong and hope I am, I am not trolling I truly want to know.

My understanding is that if you mine bitcoins and then "use" them to purchase goods, no license necessary.

If you mine, and then "sell" them for fiat currency, then you need to be registered as a MSB.  However, if you go to an exchange, then I think that puts the responsibility on the exchange.  At least, let's hope so Wink

I've done a bit of research and everywhere I see it defined, legal dictionary or otherwise, Currency (synonym: banknote) seems to directly state, or infer the backing or endorsement of a government.  As such, Bitcoin is a commodity, and until I can walk into Bank of America and trade it for USD, like I can with my Mexican Pesos, Canadian Twoonies, or my British Pounds, I'm not going to consider it any more a currency than Joe Redneck would, my Peer on the Jury.  

Try telling a farmer he has to register as an MSB/MT to sell the carrots (commodity) he grew. (mined)  Or try telling a rancher he has to register as an MSB/MT to sell the calf (commodity) his cow just birthed. (mined)  You have to be pretty confused to think that creating/growing/birthing/mining a commodity then selling it somehow equates to being in the business of Money transmission.  (Money with a capital M, per Joe Redneck, my peer on the Jury.)

Now exchanging it as your sole business, I think that's a different ballgame, but mining it seems pretty cut and dry to me.

What am I missing?  And why does everyone seem to want Bitcoin to be a currency when it's far better off legally with an official definition in the realm of general commodity?  (oil, cattle, tulip bulbs)  No country in the world is going to be particularly receptive legally or otherwise to direct competition with their local Currency.  (with a capital C)

Cheers.
+1, however I believe FinCen claims jurisdiction over "replacements for money, money-like things" or something to that effect.
106  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-23 Forbes - Bitcoin Foundation Receives Cease And Desist Order From Ca on: June 24, 2013, 06:50:10 AM
I am aware of all the things people are saying. I'm just trying to say there are multiple ways to interpret the basis for the memo.

You mean if you have no clue how Bitcoin works, and you have no clue how open source development works....then this memo can be interpreted as having merit?

One would also have to have no clue about how cease and desist orders, the USPS, bureaucratic govt in general, and social media, works to interpret it as such.
107  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin or bitcoin, NOT BitCoin. on: June 24, 2013, 06:01:49 AM
B1TC01N

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108  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Men on Strike: Why men are boycotting marriage, fatherhood, & the American Dream on: June 24, 2013, 05:51:24 AM
http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm
<begin unpopular opinion>
Cismen are an obsolete evolutionary fluke, and are not strictly real people.
If I could pick a eugenic genocide, it would be the genocide of cismen.
Some of he half-ass feminism making its rounds these days is pandering to the inferior sex, and is as reactionary as this men's rights garbage that I've not bothered to consume.
"Womyn" is also reactionary. Chickenkind:rooster:hen::mankind:cisman:human
<end unpopular opinion>



Reactionary to say the least.. Do they honestly believe men work to prevent automation because without labor they're unneeded? My work is automation. It's not the flip of a switch fantasy land you've been promised here. My role is being a good father and husband, and I certainly hope you don't think much of that writer's grotesque libel against what makes a father tick. If you do, it's probably because you've been hurt. I get it, and it infuriates me, but that's not me.

You'd probably be right at home in a bee hive.. Just kill off the males when you're done with them.

Take a moment to think about this. The article is a case in point demonstration that "womyn" can be at least as bloodthirsty and diabolical as they accuse men of being.

<begin unpopular opinion>

Men are responsible for the responsibilities they take on. Just like women. There's no excuse for either to flake out.


<end unpopular opinion>

As a Luciferian friend once tactfully said, "it's not like we're all down here just to **** all over each other."

There is nothing at all wrong with you or any individual being an exception to the rule. I would argue that a tendency to not be evil makes one less of a cisman- which is a good thing imo.
109  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Men on Strike: Why men are boycotting marriage, fatherhood, & the American Dream on: June 24, 2013, 05:45:51 AM
http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm
<begin unpopular opinion>
Cismen are an obsolete evolutionary fluke, and are not strictly real people.
If I could pick a eugenic genocide, it would be the genocide of cismen.
Some of he half-ass feminism making its rounds these days is pandering to the inferior sex, and is as reactionary as this men's rights garbage that I've not bothered to consume.
"Womyn" is also reactionary. Chickenkind:rooster:hen::mankind:cisman:human
<end unpopular opinion>
 
Against men as Their "inferior" from studies completed done by Emotions and opinion!
I could say lets kill blacks,russians as they are "inferior" and pull studies out of my ass saying they are...

Opinions are like assholes. I'm not going to kill anyone, or approve of killing anyone.
I can admit that I might be going a bit overboard by "picking a eugenic genocide."
If I woke up and all cismen were suddenly gone- not neccessarily murdered, mind you- perhaps magically converted or something,  I'm convinced we'd all be better off for it.
"blacks, russians" is not equatable to what I'm calling cismen.
110  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 512-qubit Quantum Computer acquired, is bitcoin doomed? on: June 24, 2013, 05:31:44 AM
No.
By the time QC gets used for cryptocracking or mining, Bitcoin will be using entanglement cryptography.
111  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin or bitcoin, NOT BitCoin. on: June 24, 2013, 05:19:06 AM
congratulations! your post has been randomly selected as the douchiest post of the day. as the winner of the contest, you receive 50 free bitchCoins to do with as you see fit.
Umadbro?
The Bitcoin foundation exists partially to standardize Bitcoin and prevent people from making the kind of blatant error the California C&D made.

How did you get my bitchCoin address? I had't planned a release for the bitchCoin fork until next week.

Also, If you can't be assed to come up with a lulzy example of some noob saying some dumb stuff about "BitCoin," GTFO.

Dig this: 'The path to one world currency - BitCoin Digital currency'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cVFHl7aYuE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

nah, apparently you are the one thats mad. who gives a shit how its spelled. they can call it onomatopoeia for all i care, as long as it maintains value
If they called it that, We'd be hard pressed to tell that they mean Bitcoin.
Also, NO U.
Also, inb4 grammar nazi, words don't mean anything, continued trollolol.
Also, reported to mod, at risk for ignore button, now contribute or gtfo.
112  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-23 Forbes - Bitcoin Foundation Receives Cease And Desist Order From Ca on: June 24, 2013, 05:10:03 AM
If you ever read that FinCen guidance document, the fact that Bitcoin Foundation develops the software that is used for "making" Bitcoin makes them an administrator of such currency and according to "law" administrators are a subject for money transmitter regulation.

I think people might be making a mistake saying that "Stae of California has made a mistake somehow".

The Foundation is less about direct development and more about Public Relations and community building. The github group is more in line with what you describe.
The only administrators of the software and currency are the miners and nodes.
113  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin or bitcoin, NOT BitCoin. on: June 24, 2013, 05:01:32 AM
congratulations! your post has been randomly selected as the douchiest post of the day. as the winner of the contest, you receive 50 free bitchCoins to do with as you see fit.
Umadbro?
The Bitcoin foundation exists partially to standardize Bitcoin and prevent people from making the kind of blatant error the California C&D made.

How did you get my bitchCoin address? I had't planned a release for the bitchCoin fork until next week.

Also, If you can't be assed to come up with a lulzy example of some noob saying some dumb stuff about "BitCoin," GTFO.

Dig this: 'The path to one world currency - BitCoin Digital currency'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cVFHl7aYuE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
114  Other / Politics & Society / Radical Feminism (continued from Capitalism) on: June 24, 2013, 04:45:43 AM
The following is my theory of gender:
One's gender is neither static nor binary, but a shifting polygon in a matrix, identified by thousands of global subcultures, ie, butch, genderqueer, genderfluid, ciswoman, transwoman, ect.

Matrix- XYZ+ Time
X- Active - Passive
Y- Gendered - Neuter
Z- Androgyne - Hermaphrodite

X is a measure of dominance, a patriarchically male trait.
Y is a measure of visibility of cues.
Z measures the mixture of those cues.

I'm personally influenced by Judith Butler and the SCUM Manifesto and disgusted by the "Men's rights", (or whatever you call it) meme going around these days.

In this thread, I hope to open up a dialogue in the presumably cismale-populated Bitcoin community about issues of rape, sexism, and patriarchy in an anarchist world.
115  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitalism. on: June 24, 2013, 04:19:40 AM
Crumbs, I don't see anywhere in that post of yours where Lex Mercatoria was suggested for anything other than "To protect your property." Did you forget to quote something?

It's called context, sweety. 

"How does capitalism require a state?"
"To protect your property."
"If I'm happy to let lex mercatoria suffice for that, have you anything else?"

Now reread the thread, K tiger?

I reread the thread. New Liberty says he's fine with Lex Mercatoria providing protection of property. I pointed out that he isn't the only one, and that Lex Mercatoria is still alive and well, if under a different term, as the idea is being expanded and used for transnational trade by international businesses that don't have the option of submitting to laws and rules of a specific government. You erroneously claimed that Lex Mercatoria is dead, because it had a few amendments added to it by governments who adopted it and decided to defend it personally. A claim similar to stating that the biblical commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is dead because governments have passed laws making murder illegal. Upon reading that, I've come to a conclusion that you are an idiot. Anything else I missed?
Information cannot be destroyed. Practices become distorted, however.
It does not parse that any structure is "dead."
116  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitalism. on: June 24, 2013, 04:09:49 AM
Historically, the selfsufficient matrilineal community is the anthropogenic organisation before patriarchal paternalist collectivism (animal farming and men farming) was established 10'000 years ago. It will also be the organisation of the future, because monogamous, patriarchal, paternalistic, surplus producing collectivism is not sustainable.

So, are you saying that you're hoping that in the future, one type of sexism will be replaced by another, while the rest of us are working on making gender irrelevant in regards to pretty much everything?
Anti male sexism is a vastly misrepresented myth.
Misogyny is real.
We are not and have never been dealing with mirror images, but a varied amalgamation of cues, traits and norms.
In order to explain this, a full course in radical feminism would be needed.
Perhaps another thread.

Edit: here's the thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=241717.msg2563187#msg2563187
117  Other / Beginners & Help / Bitcoin or bitcoin, NOT BitCoin. on: June 24, 2013, 03:57:48 AM
Can we spread awareness about the unnacceptability this irksome faux-pas?
Is "BitCoin" even defendable as a spelling?
Is is just me or is this equalevent to TyPiNg LiKe ThIs?
Apparently Crayola or whateferhisface is from Cali does not know that the "c" in "coin" is lowercase.

What's your favorite example of the uppercase C in FUD and misinformation?
118  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-23 Forbes - Bitcoin Foundation Receives Cease And Desist Order From Ca on: June 24, 2013, 03:46:38 AM
Well, technically though the Foundation develops the software...
The Bitcoin Foundation does that.
The BitCoin Foundation does not exist.

Dat C.
Wow someone in California has been misinformed...

This makes about as much sense as sending a letter to the Salvation Army telling them to disband their unauthorized military forces.
Only if you sent the letter to the SalVation Army.

Ill be honest, they are really starting to clamp down hard in the U.S and is making me nervous.

With this exception of this California action, everything else in the US has been completely consistent with existing US law.



I am speaking of the recent developments with the IRS and FinCen along with this as well as the numerous services surrounding bitcoin that have gone down.

As am I.  Recent developments with the IRS and FinCEN are entirely consistent with US law as it has existed for years.  Ditto Mutum Sigillium seizure warrant. Tax and MSB implications were directly addressed years ago in my State of the Coin 2011 presentation, among others.  If you operate outside the law in your jurisdiction, the obvious result occurs... eventually.



Then I must be confused with the state of things then. I was under the impression that the recent IRS (or was it FinCen??) ruling/statement was that mining bitcoins will/may require an MSB/MT licensure.

I could be wrong and hope I am, I am not trolling I truly want to know.
Mining AND THEN SELLING for $ requires a license.

Edit: emphasis
119  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: June 24, 2013, 01:39:35 AM

It's impossible to get into discussions of time without dredging up determinism (like the universe is a series of unaided chain reactions).

Athiests are bothered that they can't see God within those chain reactions.

In order for God to be as revealed in the Bible, time must be such that it is only one of the dimensions involved in "solving" the requirements that he places on reality (Isa 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.)

How could Jesus be present with Moses and Elijah in one distortion of time? Only if the deterministic solution to that conundrum were to define the thousands of years between them. It's that solution which is referred to when it's said something was prepared "from the beginning," as it was done knowing the end also. If we have free will at all, it's in the finer details of our own choices; Our rebellion can do nothing to disrupt his end, but he can work with us or in spite of us. One is better.


120  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-23 Forbes - Bitcoin Foundation Receives Cease And Desist Order From Ca on: June 24, 2013, 01:32:18 AM
It's just some idiot government critter thinking the foundation is something like "Bitcoin Corporation".

Correct.

Quote
It would be fun watching the foundation be disbanded anyway.

Most of the forum idiots here do not seem to realize that the Bitcoin Foundation is taking slings and arrows on behalf of others, fighting for bitcoin acceptance.

When you fight for bitcoin, people fight back.

It would be a loss for all if the Bitcoin Foundation goes away.



You cant possibly make that assertion in an unbiased way as the foundation pay the core development team.

There's pros and cons.  The US conference I thought was fantastic.

But the foundation introduces a central point of failure.

It's way to early to say whether it is a loss or a gain, especially if they are breaking the law.


Failure?
From the foundation's site:
Quote
Our mission is to help people exchange resources and ideas more freely. We approach that mission with Bitcoin’s technology and community as our focus. There is tremendous potential in Bitcoin—from the opportunities it creates for entrepreneurs to the purchasing power it provides for citizens of countries large and small. Our goal is to help Bitcoin deliver on that potential. Bitcoin Foundation has chosen three primary objectives for fulfilling its mission. We believe that these activities will be of the greatest benefit to the Bitcoin community: Standardizing Bitcoin Standardizing Bitcoin As a non-political online money, Bitcoin is backed exclusively by code. This means that—ultimately—it is only as good as its software design. By funding the Bitcoin infrastructure, including a core development team, we can make Bitcoin more respected, trusted and useful to people worldwide. Protecting Bitcoin Protecting Bitcoin Cryptography is the key to Bitcoin’s success. It’s the reason that no one can double spend, counterfeit or steal Bitcoins. If Bitcoin is to be a viable money for both current users and future adopters, we need to maintain, improve and legally protect the integrity of the protocol. Promoting Bitcoin Promoting Bitcoin In the context of public misunderstandings, misinterpretations and misrepresentations, Bitcoin needs to be clearer about its purpose and technology. Allowing the community to speak through a single source will enable Bitcoin to improve its reputation.
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