The sum history of capitalism is the history of a group of men building a new mechanism to oppress and use to death
That's the history of the State, not of free enterprise. The State is the tool used by capitalists and communists (and other window dressing terms) as the means to oppress and kill the rest of us. Please don't confuse free enterprise and human ingenuity with the oppressive ends of the State. Totally agreed. Semantics and the language of words is relative. Free enterprise decoupled from state protection is another term for human ingenuity. Capitalism proper requires that masses of people are physically kept by the threat of tax funded violence out of control of the means of production. Statism both complicates in terms of legislation and allows for capitalists to centralize ower into their own hands. Pardon the seemingly communist rhetoric. Anarchists used those terms too. State Communism in practice is an even more violent evolution of capitalism. With bitcoin, the means of production is anyone, by hook or crook, able to get their hands on a mineworthy computer. |
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Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try.
By that, I assume you mean the smartphone you're using right now? You didn't get that for free, you bought it with a pretty pebble. Citrine, if I remember correctly. The gift economy is a really neat idea. It was less that I bought, and more like a gift, then I gifted the rock as a thank you. You say poe-tay-toe, I say poe-tah-toe. The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity
As does capitalism. Free trade. Every time someone says capitalism relies on consent, I die a little. Capital is accumulated wealth. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. The ideology that accumulating limitless personal wealth is the goal of trade is an ideology that is to blame for more than a few really bad things, namely the disparity between the elite and the rest of the earth- enforced by institutional violence, supported by taxes. The sum history of capitalism is the history of a group of men building a new mechanism to oppress and use to death, millions of real people by taking advantage of the fall of serfdom to convince folks that its possible to buy their priceless and irredeemable time and labor in exchange for wages. /anticapitalism micro-rant. |
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Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try.
By that, I assume you mean the smartphone you're using right now? You didn't get that for free, you bought it with a pretty pebble. Citrine, if I remember correctly. The gift economy is a really neat idea. It was less that I bought, and more like a gift, then I gifted the rock as a thank you. The interesting thing about the gift economy is that it works on the principle of consent, satisfaction and reciprocity rather than the far less materially effective "gimmie or Ill shoot you unless you go to jail" tactics coupled with refund incentives currently used by the IRS. ALSO, I admire you, that armed cat in yer picture, your writing style, dedication, and top tier bar none nextlevel trollskillz. |
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'Cancer research' on the whole may not be a scam, but mostly it sure seems to be.
The application of distributed computer power is not as strictly appropriate to astrobiology or medicine as it is to the pure number world of finance accounting.
The term greed actually does have linguistically negative connotations, and therefore is not a technically fit word to describe the motivations behind abstraction of trade.
A better word? Mutual Aid? Idunno...
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All they want to do is open the door of acceptance by bowing to the naked emperor. I am sure they are having a good laugh about it behind closed doors as should the OP.
Do what you want. It doesn't matter. Governments will attempt to regulate Bitcoin no matter what anyone says. They will fail no matter what anyone does. It's like catching a cold, you just chill out and let it run its course.
Agreeing hard. I'm smolderingly new, but it makes sense for an org as by design yuppy and libtard friendly seeming as that to be sending a lobbyist to washington. It makes my stomach turn, but while these powers still exist, what other lip service fake white flag could be put up to attempt to delay or prevent raids on miners? I can tell you from experience that when you occupy land the state doesn't want you to occupy, they truly will riotcop your ass and equipment into the ground. If playing the dumb game as a strategy succeeds, perhaps fedreserve patriots will simply look away instead of literally bombing us. |
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I for one decided a few years back to experiment with opting out of the whole scheme. The idea of seeing human beings as walking dollar signs makes me ill. This has caused several things to happen. General bum type things, mostly- chronic homelessness, incredulous stares, that sort of thing. Freeganism prohibits me from ever touching or spending federal reserve notes, especially on the uselesa consumer goods you can get for free if you try. I cannot and will not pay taxes because I have no dollars, and no desire to feed the giant blind eating machine we call the state.
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Self interest over total gain- precisely my criticism of the trappings of what amounts to a purely capitalist impulse. So, you want to change human nature, then? Then you're doomed to fail. We figured that out as early as Plymouth Colony: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard130.htmlThe experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato's … that the taking away of property and bringing community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing…. For this community … was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labour and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense. The strong … had no more in division of victuals and clothes than he that was weak and not able to do a quarter the other could; this was thought injustice…. Upon … all being to have alike, and all to do alike, they thought … one as good as another, and so … did … work diminish … the mutual respects that should be preserved amongst men…. Let none object this is men's corruption … all men have this corruption in them…. (William Bradford, Of Plymouth Plantation, New York: Knopf, 1952, pp. 120–21.) I'm still waiting for my troll toll tip. You had fun, admit it. Pay me!
I don't pay trolls to keep trolling me. From the top and for the win, to close out today's troll market, the troll index hit a new high with trolls reqursting payment from trolls trollng trolls about trolling in a troll thread. So the pilgrimz werent eeevil imperialist proto capitalists?!?!?!?!? Human nature was perverted by the state enforcing remote property claims.Mutual Aid is human nature. I bet you have a bank account, or pay taxes. Way to pay troll tolls. |
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Self interest over total gain- precisely my criticism of the trappings of what amounts to a purely capitalist impulse. I'm still waiting for my troll toll tip. You had fun, admit it. Pay me! Actually, you owe me. Should we be using ripple for this? Lawl. |
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What are they playing ...soccer , baseball , tennis?
If it's about horse racing I bet on the horse.
Awesome. In a world now full of a variety of monopoly money for different reigions, we'll see rising a much smaller world full of different cryptocurrencies for different applications with trade between them. |
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Self interest over total gain- precisely my criticism of the trappings of what amounts to a purely capitalist impulse. I'm still waiting for my troll toll tip. You had fun, admit it. Pay me! |
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Ever heard of the creative commons? Number of users isnt important, utility is. Tell me, how do you cc license a plot of land? Or did you forget that was what we're talking about? You should tip me for all this edjakayshun imma layin on you. A full btc to keep playing.
If I don't, will you stop spreading your Proudhonite idiocy? 'Cuz that sounds like win/win, to me. I traded a pretty rock for this phone, which was given to me secondhand. Capitalism at work, baby. Google "commons" and tell me if you see land or not. Tip me or read moar. Also the correct term is Proudhonian idiocy. Personally I prefer Kropotkinite idiocy, but Proudhon, who influenced every single theorist after him wrote a really neat book pertaining to property and early capitalism. As to the other post, scientific developments that benefeit the public happen in spite of capitalist profit obsession, even though public school teaches otherwise. Hitting ignore unless I get paid for this particular brand of foolishness. |
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It's unfounded because it exists without someone owning it, it can be utilized without someone owning it, and a capitalist owning it always results in waste. The irony that you're posting this on a smartphone is not lost on me. First: Yes, it exists without something owning it. Thus "unowned property." Not a good justification for calling property unfounded. While something can be utilized without someone owning it, that likewise a poor justification for calling property unfounded, because it cannot be utilized by two people at the same time. And finally, Capitalism does not "always result in waste." Waste is loss. Capitalists don't like loss. They like profit. Capitalists avoid waste like the plague. Roasting alive in a troll bread. Unowned property is an oxymoron. Ever heard of the creative commons? Number of users isnt important, utility is. Waste of profit, yup agreed. Waste of every single other factor? People's lives? I traded a pretty rock for this phone, which was given to me secondhand. You should tip me for all this edjakayshun imma layin on you. A full btc to keep playing. |
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Capitalism requires unfounded remote ownership a la Property is Theft. Define "unfounded." I'll give some examples. Grain rotting in a silo. A field left unplowed. A castle waiting for a soon-to-return-noble in the crusades. A locked dumpster. These are examples of wasted property needlessly accumulated and consolidated for the supposed purpose of private wealth to the detriment of public good. Proudhon is pretty cool. We could also go into the idea of stocks in things that involved anything from fraud to genogide to obtain, like the entire US. We can also think of unfounded as unfair or unjust. Now the real crazy part comes in during a consideration of wage slavery, human beings and other animals as property, and labor as a commodity. all this will be irrelevant if we remove the right to own stuff, the very foundation of any capitalistic society. See, these folks be confusing private property with private posessions. So, can I take your land, your lawnmower, or your wife, or that nice statue on your lawn? Sheesh! Priceless. I liek how you slipped "wife," in there. |
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Capitalism requires unfounded remote ownership a la Property is Theft. Define "unfounded." I'll give some examples. Grain rotting in a silo. A field left unplowed. A castle waiting for a soon-to-return-noble in the crusades. A locked dumpster. These are examples of wasted property needlessly accumulated and consolidated for the supposed purpose of private wealth to the detriment of public good. Proudhon is pretty cool. That does not define "unfounded." Plus, some are very poor examples of waste. The castle is like saying "an empty home waiting for it's owner to come home from work," and fields sometimes need to be left unplowed to recover nutrients. Not gonna pander to dictionary copypasta. Examples of waste are examples of waste. Fuck affluence. Squat the burbs. An unoccupied house, unoccupied because the resident is off being a dick to muslims should get squatted. A field =/= nurtient depleted field. -until capitalism, that is. Muslims are dicks to each other, and infidels, and women, and are antithetical to freedom, at least when they are given free reign. And now we all know where you're coming from. You may now join the ranks of blablabla and kokjo. Have fun, but not at others expense! Did you just out-troll yoursef? |
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unowned land they own Maybe you don't see the logical contradiction here, but I do. But if it's an illiterate sheep-herder who has been using the land for pasture, like is father before him, etc? In that case, I would consider the land as owned. But I can still make a deal with him. Hmmm...arbitration companies representing indigenous peoples, ensuring that they don't get fleeced, for a return on the profits of those who exploit those assets? Yes, AnCap can promote justice for them too, like a "Charitable Arbitration Company". Thats how kings and judges were invented. I love judge-kings... Only the groovy ones though. Not the OTHER KIND. |
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Capitalism requires unfounded remote ownership a la Property is Theft. Define "unfounded." I'll give some examples. Grain rotting in a silo. A field left unplowed. A castle waiting for a soon-to-return-noble in the crusades. A locked dumpster. These are examples of wasted property needlessly accumulated and consolidated for the supposed purpose of private wealth to the detriment of public good. Proudhon is pretty cool. That does not define "unfounded." Plus, some are very poor examples of waste. The castle is like saying "an empty home waiting for it's owner to come home from work," and fields sometimes need to be left unplowed to recover nutrients. Not gonna pander to dictionary copypasta. I don't want you to. I want you to explain why it is unfounded. What makes property an unfounded right? 'Cuz Proudhon said so? 'Cuz you're poor, and fuck the rich? It's unfounded because it exists without someone owning it, it can be utilized without someone owning it, and a capitalist owning it always results in waste. Yes. I have been paraphrasing his book this whole time. Also yes. Also fuck formatting on a tiny touchscreen. |
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That's not a very anarchist thing to say.
Hypothetical situation A:
I grow grain and sell it to a foreign customer. A drought causes starvation in my local area, but my techniques of farming render me immune, and the foreign buyer has contractual rights to the next 6 months of my output. the locals are starving, and try to take my grain, and I kill many in self-defense as they storm my grain silos. Am I a criminal?
Hypothetical situation B:
I have full silos of grain, and I choose to let it rot, and the locals are starving, and I kill many when they storm my silos. Does that make me a criminal?
Criminal? Anarchist, remember? No state, no crime, no institutionalized demonization. I will try to assess the ethical implications of your situations, however. A. The foreign buyer is not sympathetic to the people who now depend on your technology. You would be foolish to let yourself be obligated to the foreign buyer in order to keep your techniques out of the public domain. B. Nope. |
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Capitalism requires unfounded remote ownership a la Property is Theft. Define "unfounded." I'll give some examples. Grain rotting in a silo. A field left unplowed. A castle waiting for a soon-to-return-noble in the crusades. A locked dumpster. These are examples of wasted property needlessly accumulated and consolidated for the supposed purpose of private wealth to the detriment of public good. Proudhon is pretty cool. We could also go into the idea of stocks in things that involved anything from fraud to genogide to obtain, like the entire US. We can also think of unfounded as unfair or unjust. Now the real crazy part comes in during a consideration of wage slavery, human beings and other animals as property, and labor as a commodity. all this will be irrelevant if we remove the right to own stuff, the very foundation of any capitalistic society. See, these folks be confusing private property with private posessions. |
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Capitalism requires unfounded remote ownership a la Property is Theft. Define "unfounded." I'll give some examples. Grain rotting in a silo. A field left unplowed. A castle waiting for a soon-to-return-noble in the crusades. A locked dumpster. These are examples of wasted property needlessly accumulated and consolidated for the supposed purpose of private wealth to the detriment of public good. Proudhon is pretty cool. That does not define "unfounded." Plus, some are very poor examples of waste. The castle is like saying "an empty home waiting for it's owner to come home from work," and fields sometimes need to be left unplowed to recover nutrients. Not gonna pander to dictionary copypasta. Examples of waste are examples of waste. Fuck affluence. Squat the burbs. An unoccupied house, unoccupied because the resident is off being a dick to muslims should get squatted. A field =/= nurtient depleted field. -until capitalism, that is. |
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You think markets can be bought and sold, and markets of markets, ad infinatum? Idiot.
I might hesitate to brand someone an idiot for seeing fractals. 10thdim on youtube http://m.youtube.com/#/user/10thdim?&desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2F10thdim has a lot of really solid ideas that put a limit on that ad infinitum. For example, a state facilitated market, containing markets and submarkets, requires a market to run, itself- a coerced taxbase, and a market to support that- third world slave labor.. and so on. I am not an anarchocapitalist. I am an anarchist. Capitalism requires unfounded remote ownership a la Property is Theft. A market is what the macrocosm and the microcosm do. When a force presuming to micromanage and manipulate it uses coersion to delete agency and circumvents consent with violence, you get... well.. you get it. Right? Wall st. Many problems with Wall St. arise from the fact that they use the medium of exchange as a commodity, as if it had inherent value in and of itself. I think I see what you're getting at, though: I find a copper deposit on un-owned land in Africa, and I hire locals to exploit it, but what effect on the agrarian or hunter gatherers nearby? Is this the gist of your assertion? The medium of exchange would rightly be a commodity if it were bitcoin, or at very least something remotely sane. Theyre trading in debt fiat. Literally a whole different sort of way worse than any slimy trash either of us can name. I disagree with your assertion that the source of any of wall st's problems is using X means of exchange as a commodity. The inner manipulations fiat iself are to blame, along with a host of problems too numerous to exhaustively point to involving fraud and so on. If you hire locals to exploit the unowned land they own, youre exploiting locals. Which is buisiness as usual in Africa. |
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