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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: January 04, 2017, 07:34:27 PM
$ETC -geth v3.2.3 is out. Replay protection, exp reprice, and diehard fork ready(bomb defused)YIPPIE KAY YAY… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/813453420648656896



102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 04, 2017, 07:33:02 PM
$ETC -geth v3.2.3 is out. Replay protection, exp reprice, and diehard fork ready(bomb defused)YIPPIE KAY YAY… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/813453420648656896



103  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 04, 2017, 11:55:49 AM
wie stehts eigentlich mit segwit? ist das schon aktiv ?
104  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 04, 2017, 11:51:00 AM
wow was macht der kurs den da lol
105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 04, 2017, 07:39:49 AM
is vitalic and EF selling ETH to buy bitcoin?


https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/816247394496983040


 CRYPTO CO฿AIN @CryptoCobain

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1PkqK7UUAEZAHc.jpg

TwitterToday at 12:38 PM (185KB)




Yawn, yawn and yawn.

Old news re-written by a Troll LOL

It has been known for ages, that the Ethereum Foundation remains well financed for future development work.


I think VB has more ETC than the ETC shills. So he might sell these coins first.

The Ethereum Foundation has it's own funds, these are the funds are what is discuss in the public domain by the crypto community.



So the ETC price rise will benefit the ETH Foundation?
dont think so
here a link
https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/816459511343017985
vitalik said they sold 90% of there ETC in the last 6 month.
they also sold 1 mil of there eth and they have now there value in btc
they seemed to bet on btc rather  then on eth or etc
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 03, 2017, 12:53:08 PM
is vitalic and EF selling ETH to buy bitcoin?


https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/816247394496983040


 CRYPTO CO฿AIN @CryptoCobain

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1PkqK7UUAEZAHc.jpg

TwitterToday at 12:38 PM (185KB)


107  Other / Archival / wie erspare ich mir das syncronisieren der blockchain mit paragon manager on: January 03, 2017, 06:49:45 AM

solved


108  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 03, 2017, 04:18:05 AM
weiss wer ob der film im kino läuft
banking on bitcoin ?
soll ja am 6.1.2017 ins kino kommen

hat du die Frage selbst beantwortet?

Mich würde interessieren ob der Film in ein Kino in meiner Nähe kommt und wenn ja: welches.

bei meinem kino ums eck ist er nicht auf der filmstart liste.
109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: January 03, 2017, 04:05:52 AM
Hmm how far is ETC with developing its governance model?

Still wondering..
smile
the governance model is the most complex project etc faces. they did a lot of discussion about the monetrary cap or no cap of suply sorted how to fix the inhired problems replay and diff bomb.
i think there is now a consensus on the monetary there will be a cap. and a halving like there is in bitcoin. as i recall there are abut 200 mill total planed. but dont nail me on that info .

charles company did a study on goverance in dash but that system has some bugs too

all parts of the comunity have there own interests. investros, miners, users, traders, each group needs to have a say but none should have  to much say. to find a system to fit tht isnt that easy. id rather have it take its time then to rush and fail.
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 03, 2017, 03:58:15 AM
did vitalik realy say miners are disloyal ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/5lfugz/eip_186_modified/?sort=top
quote from reddit:
[–]vbuterinJust some guy 14 Punkt

    Another point is; Can we please see the results of any simulations studies on such issuance reduction? What is the expected effect in best case and worst case scenario?

IMO miners right now are fairly disloyal and fungible creatures [EDIT: see my post here for a qualification of this comment]; they're very willing to jump between chains to maximize their profit, we saw this with ETH and ETC. Right now, ETH and ZEC both offer ~$3 per second (ETH is bigger, but ZEC is in a very rapid-inflation early phase). If issuance goes down to 2 ETH, then ETH starts to offer $1.2 per second. If no action on the ice age, including delaying it, is taken, then block time will increase ~4.5x by the end of the year, which will make ETH offer $0.7 per second.

111  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 02, 2017, 05:29:27 PM
weiss wer ob der film im kino läuft
banking on bitcoin ?
soll ja am 6.1.2017 ins kino kommen
112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: January 01, 2017, 09:18:25 PM
happy new year
113  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 01, 2017, 07:45:25 PM
haha ich habe grad mal 0,31 BTC.bin aber auch ziemlich neu in der Branche  Grin
herzlich willkommen im club.
114  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 01, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
haha ich habe grad mal 0,31 BTC.bin aber auch ziemlich neu in der Branche  Grin

naja bei  300.000,00 USD bist du schon ser glücklich oder? Smiley
ich wäre auch schon bei 50.000 € sehr glücklich


Geld macht das Leben einfacher, aber nicht glücklicher. pass auf dich auf

Wenn das so wäre, das Geld glücklich macht, wären alle Stars (Sportler, Schauspieler, etc) die glücklichsten Menschen.. Sind sie das?
Geld kann man benutzen, in dem man bescheiden lebt, trotz viel Geld, damit bewahrt man natürliche Ressourcen/Umwelt und ist im Kreislauf der der Bewahrung von Werten. Ganz nach Kneim
mit geld sollte man sich nur sicherheit schaffen. nicht  sinnlosen konsum.
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: December 31, 2016, 07:37:30 PM
That is entirely fine with me, but I'm purely interested in primary function as a crypto-currency.

Why would anyone be interested in a crypto-currency that has unlimited supply and can be easily forked at the will of a limited group of bagholders?

lol thanks to you you get it . its not the difficult to understand isnt it .
a unlimitied currency easy to fork and plans to go pos.
sure it will fall in price.


That is a naive statement - this is 2nd biggest crypto-currency network.

Any network that suffers a 51% attack will require a remedial fork to clear up the mess - so you've not really research your opposition to forks, because they are compulsory in certain situations.

From what Vitalik Buterin published 15 hours ago, he listed costings at:

1% issuance equals $50 million costing on the remedial fork

0% issuance equals $5 million costing on the remedial fork.

From these costings for Ethereum Network at the current market valuation $700 million the Ethereum community will probably choose an issuance below 0.5% to minimise the security theoretical costings.

This annual increase of coinage, will be below 45,000 Eth. As opposed to the current production of 12 million Eth.

Then, there is the current electricity bill for the entire Ethereum Network that can be costed at $0.10 at eye-watering amount of $28 million!

Ouch Grin

This is being funded by investors and miners who are accumulating Ethereum.

Annual production at issuance 0.5% equals $360,000 of costings, assuming these are sold off by investors.

Nearly all of metrics say: the investors in Ethereum are going too have plenty of spare cash through the $28 million saving on electricity too achieve a higher price than the current POW price.

Yelp, the Casper POS is a win and win situation for the Ethereum Network and investors - no-one who does the Maths is going to say a saving of $27.6 million is going to cause falling market prices.

Finally, there are a whole sweep of businesses under development expecting to be deployed in 2017 and 2018, which will further increase the market price of Ethereum.

lets agree we disagree
wish you a happy new year
116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: December 31, 2016, 04:59:28 PM
That is entirely fine with me, but I'm purely interested in primary function as a crypto-currency.

Why would anyone be interested in a crypto-currency that has unlimited supply and can be easily forked at the will of a limited group of bagholders?

lol thanks to you you get it . its not the difficult to understand isnt it .
a unlimitied currency easy to fork and plans to go pos.
sure it will fall in price.
117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: December 31, 2016, 10:28:11 AM
The problem with ethereum is that it is not even in a beta stage. Too many people throw money into it and it opens up a lot of problems. Such a platform that ethereum are should be developed under 2-3 years time before anybody should invest in it. Peoples greed makes them jump into projects like this and they hope to become rich quickly. Ethereum are also faulty by design.
fast and break it. just to make a world computer work. its not at all a store of value. thevictemof... does not understand what ethereum is. he or she thinks its a investement and a little guy can get rich with it. but vitalik and co dont look out for everyday people the daofork showed that .
i think a world computer would be a great idea but only if it makes the world a better place for every one not just for a small elite.

Well, Ethereum primary function is as a crypto-currency. Therefore, discussing it's current valuation, as to whether it is underpriced, is completely legitimate.

However, most people are quite bored about discussing the primary functions of crypto-currencies and they prefer too spend their time discussing the many secondary purposes that Ethereum could or can be used for.

That is entirely fine with me, but I'm purely interested in primary function as a crypto-currency.
gosh it  is a world comupter not primary  a currency.....
just go to youtube and put in ethereum for dummies and listen  dr. gavin woods did a good one  vitalik did one
118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: December 31, 2016, 10:25:30 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/5l4z2j/so_alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_white_hatrobin/
119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: December 30, 2016, 06:21:57 PM
The problem with ethereum is that it is not even in a beta stage. Too many people throw money into it and it opens up a lot of problems. Such a platform that ethereum are should be developed under 2-3 years time before anybody should invest in it. Peoples greed makes them jump into projects like this and they hope to become rich quickly. Ethereum are also faulty by design.
fast and break it. just to make a world computer work. its not at all a store of value. thevictemof... does not understand what ethereum is. he or she thinks its a investement and a little guy can get rich with it. but vitalik and co dont look out for everyday people the daofork showed that .
i think a world computer would be a great idea but only if it makes the world a better place for every one not just for a small elite.
120  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: December 29, 2016, 05:06:26 AM

Well, it appears you simply want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

I am often guilty of this particular transgression, however it is not the case here.

And, you've used the proxy argument of "being confused" by the original post.

The original post, is factual assessment of ROI on buying GPU rig versus buying Antminer S9 and PSU - these cost nearly identical amounts of money.

However, the GPU rig takes 330 days to achieve a ROI on mining Ethereum. The Antminer setup takes 190 days to achieve a ROI on Bitcoin.
Your original post, as written, is an assessment of ETH pricing versus BTC, not of ROI on miners. You claim that ETH is underpriced because it takes longer to achieve positive ROI.
Convince me there is a causal link there, because it would be a nice tool of assessing market values of altcoins.

The way I see it, SHA ASIC units are priced with BTC price somewhat in mind. Naturally, as their only purpose is to mine BTC - so perhaps their pricing is in a way indicative of BTC value (wild speculation on my part).
The same cannot be claimed with regards to GPU rigs. To put it bluntly, AMD and Intel don't give a rats ass about ETH.
Using your argumentation, I could pick any random GPU mineable shitcoin and then claim it is wildly underpriced as I'd never ROI mining it.

Additionally, what about POS coins? How can we value those, as there is no hardware to mine them.

Now, you are using the proxy argument of not seeing the connection, which has been published many times by other people.

When, I first got into crypto-currencies over, 2 years ago - it was written out that when the ROI is close too 365 days on mining hardware you're better off buying the Bitcoins from the exchanges, when the ROI is close to 180 days you are better off buying mining hardware.

Turning too, pricing on POS.

It is a simply calculation - how many businesses are being built on it, which will meet the supply of any POS output (the POS rate being low is beneficial).

Ethereum has the highest number of entrepreneurs building new businesses on the network, which is going to get rid of any POS output of Eth.

The simply fact is: a lot of smaller crypto-coins, that had POS implementation have never had any businesses built onto their networks.

Therefore, most of data people quoted about POS is merely written out by Trolls!

It is irrelevant to Ethereum, because there are regular updates from people building these businesses that will use Ethereum's facilities for smart contract technology.
you never heard of bitshares but anyway.

you pointed it out right this coin is for bussines and bankers not for everyday people. every day people like you just pay for them to gorw and hope the coin will make them rich.
and id guess those biz will be happy if the price stays low once there project runs on the chain.

dont get me wrong i like the idea of ethereum. but i say the coin is overpriced it will fall and be used as suposted. its not a get in and get rich coin.

and i would not invest a tousend to mine gosh there are faster and easier ways to double my money
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