yes
and those guy demanding someone like me has to shut up or go hate the fact that etherfork has a lot of problems

not adressing them wont make them disapear.

just imagine there are critical people like me who own ETH and are pissed off about how the leading is done.

very bad decitions made

so again
the open questions
is the hacker a insider ?
and will they do something about it ?
what about the diff bomb?
and why on earth would someone do such a reckless thing and implement it ?

whos idea was it ?

a fork is always a risk so why this diff bomb ?

and what will they do about the replay attack ?

i know  some will call this trolling but i realy would like to  get answers.

About the diff bomb:
https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/guides/what-is-the-ethereum-ice-age/

Part 1 - What is the Ethereum Ice Age

The Ethereum Ice Age is a difficulty adjustment scheme that was put in place to ensure that everyone has an incentive to move to the new blockchain once the hard-fork is implemented. It was introduced on the 7th of September (2015-09-07), about 11 months ago and it's programmed to raise difficulty exponentially.

Click here to see a difficulty simulation of the increase in difficulty.

It's impossible for miners to keep up with the increase of difficulty which would raise block time and it would make the blockchain freeze, hence the name Ice Age.

question is the deadline for the diff bomb september 2016 or 2017?

 

sweety if you dont like critics dont read it its that easy


find the ignor roselee and be happy

like i said so many times
this is a free thread
it says welcome to the beginning
not:
and that is important
welcome only to those who are ok for frostminer

dear frosti
i am in grandmother age
are you realy guessing the eth bunch is older then that ? what are they then metusalem ?

and i guess your personal vendeta with bitpop influences your judgement ......

second why ? how did we act ?
strong? fast? building something in just a couple of weeks ?
already removing that stupid reckless diff bomb ?

the first ethereum classic meetup. yes it was ad hoc . but given the circumstances it was great.

i was wondering how far the ideas for a voting system are ?

the voting system for the fork was really not fair or good. or easy for every holder to find.
i wonder if a voting system which uses only the adress of an acount would be a option.
it is fair .  if not the quantity of coins you hold votes but sort of like in real life. one head one vote.

we can do one adress one vote.
and with the wallets or with mist you reach every holder fast.

wie stehst denn mit eurer wette wer hat nun gewonnen ?

https://youtu.be/OiZCNXG2dRY

this is realy worth watching

https://youtu.be/OiZCNXG2dRY

quote:

Vitalik‬ created Ethereum with stolen IP - Now I want to us to take it back with ETC!

big banking have taken over the  blockchain through vitalik

https://twitter.com/eth_classic/status/763720617912856577


We got something really important coming out at block 2,050,000. STAY TUNED!
whats comeing at this block ?
remove the diff bomb ?

china is strong with miners
and ETH did that diff bomb to kick the miners out of biz.

id like to know how that is going now


https://bitflikz.com/blogs/news/the-theft-of-a-1-billion-dollar-blockchain-community-legal-action-begins
 July 26, 2016
The Theft of a $1 Billion Dollar Blockchain -Ethereum/Slock.it Facing Legal Action

We have decided to launch legal action against the Ethereum foundation and the Slock.it development team. Please join us if you feel you have been effected in any way through the actions of the Ethereum foundation or Slock.it.

We are motivated by our crypto morals, ethics and the unspoken law within our culture. We are backed by the real word legal system and the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Not only do we challenge the foundation but we demand a full public Audit of the funds and transactions related to the Ethereum Foundation and developers.

Has there been a crime here?

Most certainly.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/07/26/case-ethereum-classic/

The Case for Ethereum Classic


The Ethereum hard fork to bail out the DAO Project was successful, but not without its consequences. Many assumed the old chain would simply die, however it has not only survived, but continues to grow under the name Ethereum Classic (ETC). This has forced cryptocurrency investors to make a choice on the immutability issue... here's why ETH fans should give ETC a chance.
Ethereum Classic Poloniex   

I am actually a huge fan of Vitalik Buterin’s. As a writer, when people ask me who I like to read and learn from, Vitalik’s one of the first name’s I mention. He helped shape my thoughts on the beauty of immutable ledgers.

That is why I was so upset when the DAO Project imploded. Because as intelligent as he and his fellow developers are, they are human beings, which makes them subject to normal pressures and biases. $50 million is a lot of money to most people, but especially for a young, grassroots group led by an inexperienced boy genius. That much money should never have been invested in such an experimental and community-backed project this early in the cryptocurrency game.

Unfortunately, it was; a brilliant hacker/not-hacker inevitably took the bait, and there was nothing Vitalik could realistically do about it. The DAO wasn’t his project. Disgruntled investors, however, would surely turn to him, and since their ranks included significant Ethereum miners—whose support the network needs—the hard fork was really a foregone conclusion.

It’s due to those extenuating circumstances that I still like the Ethereum team, and am sympathetic to their situation. Everyone makes mistakes. For better or worse, however, the cryptocurrency market operates on the principles of rational self interest, with game theory being a popular area of study, so mistakes have to have consequences. Otherwise, they will happen again.
Why It’s Necessary

Ethereum’s leadership cannot simply promise not to fork again because it will be outside of their control. The precedent here is that they will cave in the face of sufficient pressure, and they cannot prevent investors from making massive mistakes again in the future. The pitchforks will come out again, and if we’re not careful, it will start to be for gradually smaller and smaller grievances.

These consequences, therefore, are intended for the market—the developers are bystanders. In fact, everyone who owned ETH received an equal amount of ETC, so to the extent your ETH’s value was drained, you were compensated proportionally. The only people who really suffer directly from this are DAO token holders and developers, and to the extent that those two groups overlap, I do apologize.

But we still have to do this. Blockchains are not a democracy, where the majority can enforce its will. When a sufficient disagreement arises, the need for consensus requires us to go our separate ways. Our purchased coins contribute to the market cap and value of ETH, and we do not consent to the way it has been used. The value of ETH can only suffer in proportion to how much the market disagrees with the fork, which is entirely fair. Nobody is entitled to other people’s support.

DAO supporters hoped to ignore these criticisms, rendering them irrelevant for practical purposes. Now that Ethereum Classic is tradable on Poloniex, however, ETC cannot be laughed off as a valueless clone. In response, they have turned to attacking Classic’s merits, both figuratively and literally. While a couple of their arguments have some merit, ETC actually has a relatively decent shot at taking off and achieving massive returns for its investors.
A Good Investment?

Let me preface this by saying that this is not a low-risk investment. I did buy some ETC, but they amount to a small fraction of my cryptocurrency portfolio, which wasn’t that large to begin with. Please be cautious.

The biggest threat to Ethereum Classic is its relatively small P2P network and weaker encryption strength (hash power). In fact, one notable miner threatened to execute a 51% attack, but he later relented. That’s because while many cryptocurrencies on the market are weak enough to attack, doing so costs time and money and attracts retaliation. Major pools will certainly not find it worth the effort.

Still, it is a concern. Since Poloniex listed ETC, however, its hash power has doubled, and it spiked further in self defense when the 51% attack threat was initially issued. He no longer has enough hash power to carry it out, and the way things are going, it will probably stay that way.

Just in the process of writing this article, ETC jumped over 50%. Chinese exchanges, major pools, and OTC whales are now getting in on the action. If the price continues to rise, the mining community will be unable to resist lending Ethereum Classic their hash power—otherwise, the difficulty will be too low in comparison to the block reward. Free money never lasts long.

The essential problem is that unless you own DAO tokens, you have no reason to choose Ethereum over Ethereum Classic. They are basically the same thing with different recorded versions of history. The entire thing is open source, so if the Ethereum developers come out with new features, Ethereum classic will adopt them almost immediately (unless they’re similarly controversial). Any Ethereum developer with DAO tokens now works against himself.
Conclusion

Once you realize that ETH and ETC are equally functional, it becomes apparent that the network effect is all that stops the latter from gaining ground. Since neither has a competitive advantage, the market will choose ideologically.

The only way for Vitalik to nip this movement in the bud is to convince everyone that there is no way a hard fork like this will ever happen again. I would like to see that happen; I would like to see it happen for every blockchain, in fact. But the cold, ironic truth is that Ethereum Classic is the only way to do that. If and when ETC goes away, it will be because Ethereum has become pure once again.

yes thank you chandler guo

i watched some videos with chandler and he is a very thoughtful person i think

one that can see the whole picture.

very good he is with us .

in a way they make etc sound like the victim to be pitied. but
they forget the hacker that criminal mind is among those eth ethereum foundation guys. thats what i believe. couse they didnt give back that etc from the white hat hack .

so them are hackers . keeping what belongs to others.

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die tücke steckt im detail. menschen neigen dazu irgendetwas aus ihrem persönlichen bereich naheliegendes zu verwenden um z. bsp. die 12 wörter zu füllen.

das macht es angreifbar.
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hmm aber was wenn man seinen erben nur hinweise hinterlässt
wie z.b.
weisst du noch was ich dir immer bezüglich schule gesagt hab ?

da wirds dann für einen hacker schon schwer auf die 12 wörter zu kommen

mining for ETH seems risky the plan to switch to POS which will make big whales richer and there is no need for miners anymore.

and the diff bomb shows how reckles those guys are ,  didnt remove it with the last hf .

seems twitter took  care of it

any news on this ?

and this one
https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4x1443/white_hat_went_rogue/

thank you for the update greenuser
glad to see this