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1001  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTCMine - mining pool (zero fee, long polling, SSL, JSON API) on: May 30, 2011, 08:32:20 AM
Anybody getting a grip load of stale shares? I'm at 1.4% stale shares with around 6000 shares submitted.  Huh
I switch to btcmine last night when Deepbit was down, but I switched back this morning when I discovered that I had ~155 stale shares after 3700 submitted (4.1%). So far I have 2 stale shares after about 1100 submitted on Deepbit. I use the guiminer.
1002  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Who is buying Bitcoin? Why do they buy it? on: May 26, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
They buy it for the same reason people bought tulip bulbs - they expect others to value them even higher in the future.
1003  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 20, 2011, 09:23:02 PM
What are the odds of getting the next block, and being able to prevent transactions that you don't approve of for ~10 minutes?  51%
You don't get it. If you have more than 50% of the mining power you can just continue searching for a valid block even after somebody else has found one before you. This way you can make sure that you control every block. This is listed in the weaknesses on the Wiki. Yes, you can technically still add transactions, but there's not much point if they'll never get confirmed.
1004  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Risk of mining rig catching fire? on: May 20, 2011, 05:10:58 PM
I have seen several stories about PSUs literally going up in smoke with flames shooting out. You can probably reduce the chance of it happening significantly by using quality PSUs, stay well under the rated wattage, and make sure it's not full of dust. Also don't have anything flammable too close to it.
1005  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Anyone have AMD ADL 3.0? on: May 20, 2011, 08:38:31 AM
This is the direct link: http://download2-developer.amd.com/amd/GPU/zip/ADL_SDK_3.0.zip
1006  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 20, 2011, 07:48:17 AM
Are you sure they are on?  I can't see a noticeable bump in total network power.  The increase is steady within normal variance.  Perhaps a lot of GPU miners shut down their systems at the exact same time?
If so they have become really good at turning them on and off at the same time:
http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png
1007  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 20, 2011, 07:29:57 AM
With more than 50% of the hashing power, you can hide a double spend for a few minutes, and only from funds that you have legitimately.  You can not counterfeit anything.
With more than 50% you can just define every transaction that is not in one of your blocks is invalid, by not validating the blocks found by others. There's no need to double spend or counterfeit.
1008  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 19, 2011, 09:03:23 PM
Why?  Just because mining won't be as effective for the average person doesn't mean that it cannot still be used as a currency.
Sure, as long as you accept any demands they set to have your transfers be included in the official block chain. Blocks that are found by other miners can just be ignored, because they will be voted out eventually.
1009  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 19, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
Does anyone here think the original creator(s) of BitCoin ever forsaw this happening?
If not, how do you think they feel about it?
I, for one, welcome our new miner overlords.

This is the beginning of the end for bitcoins. Those who control the mining control the coins. If you're a big enough fan you'll probably be able to convince yourself that it's still better than normal fiat money, but the average person won't.
1010  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Welfare is deforming children! on: May 19, 2011, 06:36:34 PM
If you are among those who think state welfare is fundamental in helping those in greater need, you should consider watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwTDKt_k9kQ
Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing.
1011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Anyone have AMD ADL 3.0? on: May 19, 2011, 01:35:02 PM
It works for me using Opera.
1012  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 19, 2011, 08:28:29 AM
FPGAMiner, what else would explain the difficulty jump?  I'm thinking I ordered my 5850's at exactly the wrong time.
You've pretty much answered your own question. There are probably a thousand other aspiring miners in the exact same position. It happens after every large increase in price, and combined with a Slashdot front page it's a disaster for difficulty.
1013  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What is a normal stale share rate? on: May 18, 2011, 09:32:30 PM
66 out of 18229 = 0.36% at Deepbit atm.
1014  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: You are threatening Bitcoin’s security on: May 18, 2011, 08:22:30 PM
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Yet another straw man.
Born from the very stats your pool officially advertises?
If you were as smart as you think you are it would be really interesting to continue discussing with you. I just had to mention that I checked the variance on BTC Mine for the last 24 hours, and the equivalent number would be about +40%. A bit more than the numbers you'll see on Deepbit...
1015  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: You are threatening Bitcoin’s security on: May 18, 2011, 04:18:23 PM
The goddamn fee...
The goddamn utility bills...

It would be because of the accumulated hashrate of people like you who swarm one pool and will perpetuate that practice even if the pool has been compromised, all this for no good reason.
With Deepbit it would very quickly be noticed if it has been compromised, exactly because of the features I appreciate. You on the other hand could not know, because for all you know it could just be a particularly long round. You're really not very good at making up claims about what I would do.

No you won't deal with the consequences.
It will be impossible not to.

I'm not the one endangering the network, you are.
If you are using a pool you are endangering the network.

If you can't put it in your head with this that Deepbit has consequent variance, then there's nothing I can do for you.
Yet another straw man.

Here comes the irony. Score based pools defend against Raulo's attack, Deepbit doesn't.
Deepbit doesn't really need because of the high hash rate and 1 hr delay. It would probably be just as profitable and much easier to jump between BTCMine and Slush's pool to take advantage of particularly short rounds.
1016  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: You are threatening Bitcoin’s security on: May 18, 2011, 03:01:46 PM
1) You're not sacrificing anything. As a matter of fact, by mining elsewhere, you're increasing your profit.
And if you sell your house and sleep on the street you'll save a lot of money too.

2) Your own good. If Bitcoins crash due to an attack, you lose money...
If Bitcoin goes down it wouldn't be because my measly hash rate was at Deepbit and not another pool.

Mindlessly catering to the biggest group, expecting others to deal with the consequences... who's the socialist again?
I'll deal with the consequences that concerns me. Demanding that I do something I don't want because you are afraid of losing your benefits is what socialists do.

No. Even right now Deepbit has variance. Tycho even provides that data on the statistic page. What Deepbit is missing in a day is what other pools are getting as extra. You really want to beat variance? Spread out.
If you don't even understand that the only important factor in lowering variance is total hash rate there's really no point in discussing it with you.

2) This is EXACTLY why people need to move off of Deepbit, because people like you would still be mining there a week after the pool gets infiltrated and starts being used to attack the network.
Yeah, I guess I have to be really slow to disagree with your truly brilliant arguments...

Regarding the fee, you have to include what I just call the sucker fee in the smaller pools. It's the income you loose because some people are pool jumping. If you monitor the hash rate, you'll notice that it will go down on in the rounds that last a long time. All in all I'm probably earning about the same as Deepbit as I would in the other pools. If there is a difference it's neglible and one I accept to pay for the convenience.
1017  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: You are threatening Bitcoin’s security on: May 18, 2011, 02:13:13 PM
No. Simply no. Unless you intent to mine for ridiculously short period of times, every pool will provide you with the same payout minus fee in the long run. The reward for mining is to secure the network. To brainlessly jump into the biggest pool because you like the pretty numbers is a mistake, effectively using the very tool that secures the network to harm it. It's like saying human beings need water to survive and then trying to drown the guy.
What kind of socialist argument is that? I should sacrifice getting a regular income to make a neglible impact on the security of the network, just for the greater good?

If your interest is indeed lowering variance, then you should be spreading your mining power evenly among ever possible pool.
That would increase the variance, because Deepbit is larger than all the other pools combined. It would also be a lot more work to set up and maintain.
1018  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: The Psychology of Pooled Mining on: May 18, 2011, 01:34:39 PM
The way hashing works, there's never any "catching up". All there is, is the probability that the next hash might be a winning one.
We're talking about the profit, not the hashing. Average payout minus 3% both when the difficulty was 25 000 and when it is 250 000 easily beats bad luck when it was 25 000 and a lucky streak when it is 250 000.
1019  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: The Psychology of Pooled Mining on: May 18, 2011, 01:06:19 PM
But in the long run, one will always make a little more by solo mining than by joining any pool that charges fees.
That's not necessarily true. The difficulty is rising so fast now that if you have bad luck in your solo mining early on, you will probably never catch up.
1020  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~800 Gh/s Mining Pool] SSL,INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP+0.8% for no failed blocks on: May 18, 2011, 11:09:29 AM
If Tycho was going rogue anyway, all he'd have to do is DDOS Slush and maybe BTC Mine. Then a lot of those users would either be offline or even move to his pool (like last time), making his hashing power well above 50%. It's strange how bad you guys are at coming up disaster scenarios for bitcoins, considering how you excel at it for fiat currency.
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