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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin arbitrage, quite profitable BTC investment, make 1-3% ROI per day
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on: August 29, 2014, 10:01:19 AM
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Couple things:
1) Show me one single piece of evidence which proves they are ponzi and I ll immediately close down this thread. Just 1. But real proof, not your opinion. Cause you see, I think a lot of things about you, but this does not mean this is true.
2) Show me a single person which has been harmed by BT so far, a single person which suffered due to them not respecting what they have stated on the website and I ll close down the thread immediately. In the meantime I can show you hundreds who have profited so far from them.
One thing: Please come up with arguments which haven't been refuted many times already.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: August 28, 2014, 07:49:01 AM
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I'd have to keep a record to even hope to show the pattern. But this is the first time looking at it
You can get the numbers from Bitcoin Charts by using load raw data on the charts page.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: August 28, 2014, 07:15:07 AM
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It's not much of a change, but it is a noticeably predictable cycle. I emphasis cycle because the change is so small, that I usually see it go back up above the point I had initially looked at in the morning on CoinWarz.
Unless you can prove it with numbers you are probably just seeing what you want to see. The mind is great at seeing patterns that aren't really there. This is just the kind of speculation that Pirateat40 encouraged among his followers. No need to explain what you're doing if they already think they know.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2014-08-26] Why Warren Buffet and Peter Schiff are Wrong on Bitcoin
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on: August 26, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
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there is no value in a worldwide, free and borderless, instant, global payment system? okay... ! Most of the alt coins provide the same thing, which means their fundamental value is the same as that of Bitcoin. The problem isn't Buffett's claim, it's that a lot of the Bitcoin advocates don't understand what the expression fundamental value means.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: August 25, 2014, 07:25:27 AM
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I suggest you invite someone to bet you. A few weeks ago, there was a guy willing to bet $1000 that Bitcoin trader will not be here in 4 months, when the next round of shares mature. I am sure Bitcoin trader would accept that bet, implement it via escrow. This is an excellent way to silent skeptics among BTC community.
Of course they would. It's a great deal for them to pay $1000 if it gives them an extra $2000 in deposits.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: August 23, 2014, 12:45:07 PM
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That is like asking KFC for the Colonel's recipe or asking Rolex for their blueprints. At the start there were a few days that the results fluctuated like that,and that caused panic. John then adapted the strategy to make the results more consistent while trying to maintain the average monthly growth. So exactly the thing that makes you skeptic made others nervous at an earlier point.
As anyone who have tried doing some serious trading knows, you can't just adapt away from the drastically varying Bitcoin market conditions and keep the profits. Of course if you're just making them up it's much easier to give the customers the numbers they want. I'm sure that in the next ponzi he starts he'll incorporate some of the criticism he's gotten while running this one. It's just too hard to do it now and still pretend to be a real business. For instance I'm pretty sure next time he'll say he's running bots, because claiming to do it manually is just silly.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: August 22, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
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bitcoin-trader stated somewhere (I don't remeber where) that they do not use arbitrage bots.
Which is just one of many claims which makes no sense. If they're not using bots they will be eaten alive by those who do. Any order they put up which would make a profit would be undercut or outbid in seconds or less. If the price changes quickly their orders would lead to arbitrage opportunities, which the bots would exploit before BT had a chance to cancel them. As for the representatives; Sorry, but they clearly have no other information than what they're fed by someone they have never met and have no idea who is. That's just the same as everyone else.
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Local / Skandinavisk / Re: Bitcoin sensur på e24.no?
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on: August 20, 2014, 09:56:56 PM
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Vel, Google driver vel ikke å forringer deres egen tjeneste på den måten.
Jo, det er en kjent sak i bransjen at søket man får på google.com er bedre enn Google-søket de lar andre nettsteder implementere i eget skin. Custom Search er i tillegg helt uavhengig av det vanlige søket. Det virker ikke som den har indeksert akkurat den siden, men man kan finne mange andre Bitcoinartikler ved å gjøre spesifikke søk, f.eks. bitcoin virtuell. For øvrig bruker jeg http://e24.no/siste, mye mer oversiktlig.
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Local / Skandinavisk / Re: Bitcoin sensur på e24.no?
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on: August 20, 2014, 09:06:27 PM
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E24 bruker Google Custom Search til internsøket, så grunnen er nok at søket Google tilbyr eksterne å bruke gir mye dårligere relevans enn det de bruker selv.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: August 09, 2014, 10:06:26 AM
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Well from those links there are persons that can be easily found, on social networks and other ways...
Sure, but none of the people that turn up for these events are actually involved in the running of BT, they are just people hired to represent them. The fact that BT makes so much effort to appear legitimate without actually showing their faces just makes it more suspicious.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: July 28, 2014, 09:17:47 PM
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That's the impression that they should PROOF it's wrong
If they could they would have done it a long time ago, but they know that if they try to be too specific in their lies they will be exposed by people who actually know the business. Instead they settle for those who will continue to believe in them and send them money as long as there is no definitive evidence to prove they are a scam.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: July 25, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
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Grinder, you must be sure than that digitalbtc.com is a ponzi as well? Despite the fact that they are listed on the Australian Securities Exchange, they are claiming trading desk revenues with returns of 34% in May, up from 31% in April, about 10-15% more per month than Bitcoin Trader. "Banks don't make anywhere this much money in a predictable way."
The differences between DigitalBTC and Bitcoin-Trader are so large it's ridiculous. Did they more or less promise this revenue in advance, and can you get a part of it by just sending them money? Will it all be paid back in a predictable way as a dividend after a short time? The answers to all the questions are of course no. Their stock price have been very stable since the issuing of stocks, and the stock price is much higher than their balance sheet. They also have outstanding options which dilutes the potential value even more. Real stock markets, companies and profits just don't work the way those who believe in things like Bitcoin-Trader think they do. Also, the price of bitcoins went from about $450 to about $620 in May, which turns out to 37.7%. You need to really mess up to not make money in those conditions. In their quarterly financial statements they don't tell what their trading desk (which they have renamed Liquidity Desk) have made at all.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz
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on: July 25, 2014, 11:42:29 AM
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Post a full quarterly report and I will be happy to point the relevant entries to you. Sorry, I didn't see this the first time. Any bank listed on any stock exchange post their financial statements every 3 months. You can just take your pick.
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