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201  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why bitcoin price is falling ? on: September 19, 2014, 12:56:50 PM
The price will never be stable. The reason why most people buy bitcoins is that they think the price will continue to go up. When it stops doing that for a while they think it will go down, so they sell. After a while most people who wanted to sell will have sold, and then there will be a new bubble. Unfortunately that can take months or even years, and in the mean time the price can fall a lot more.
202  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 16, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
How are the results of the audit that was supposed to be done by the end of August coming along?
203  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 12, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
BTW maybe this is off topic, but what do you think about ZenHashlets?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.msg8698723#msg8698723
204  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 12, 2014, 12:32:46 PM
all i know is that they are about to do some thing called "audit" what that means and what is it about i dont have an idea, but they say it is the proof that they are legal, it should be ready soon.

They've talked about it since early spring, and in July they said it would be done by the end of August.
205  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 12, 2014, 12:28:57 PM
No one knows whats there, but thats an option to invest, even if it is, many people already did return their investment and now can safely use earned money, so that even if they collapse you will not be in trouble...

Sure they can, but as more and more people do this, the required inflow of new funds to stay afloat will increase exponentially.
206  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 12, 2014, 11:03:39 AM
Does bitcoin-trade.biz arbitrage in Vachs way or in blackhathasher way?

Neither, it's a ponzi.
207  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 10, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
what Vach is saying here (and getting wrong btw) is that he is alluding that arbitrage traders NEVER move funds between accounts and that's just patently wrong.

It's not. Your way will probably work every now and then, but because it's expensive and slow and the price difference between exchanges is small, it won't be very profitable. Vachs way is better, you just don't understand what he means.
208  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 06, 2014, 10:05:24 PM
I don't know if you guys noticed, but the founders of this, Andrea Ciceri and Mike Walker, were briefly interviewed on the Bitcoins and Gravy podcast from about two weeks ago: https://soundcloud.com/bitcoins-and-gravy/episode-30-the-bitcoin-car-the-tennessee-bitcoin-alliance

They are only representatives paid to give the impression that this is not a shady anonymous business. They have never met the person or people who actually control BT.
209  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 06, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
i personally know people that have bought shares and cashed them out after the 120 days. and coupled with the fact that i havent had a single issue with withdrawing funds daily... the question is... how long do you have to wait before you consider it "legit"?

It's a ponzi today and it will still be a ponzi tomorrow, so never. Unless they drastically reduce the payouts they will fold this year or the next, though. Madoff only paid about 10%/year, which is part of the reason why his ponzi lasted for so long.
210  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 06, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
@grinder
quick off-topic:
hashlets - scam or no?

I haven't looked into it specifically, but my impression is that mining offers are either not based on actual mining, or unlikely to be profitable. I'm guessing that some of them are gambling that the difficulty will increase enough that they will have to pay less than they got paid for the contract. Question is what happens if it doesn't.
211  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 05, 2014, 11:44:10 PM
Why is that nearly everyone in here is paranoid and assumes that everyone else is lying?

I'm significantly less paranoid than the average bitcoin user, but I'm probably also less naive. Of course, when the topic is a ponzi there will be much more lying and ridiculous stories than there are in most other topics.
212  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 05, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
My Mom is not good with money, so, instead of just letting her suffer in poverty I help her out. But, I don't just hand her money, I make her invest. She gives me $100 of her money, I hold it for a week, and then give it back to her with 10% interest.

To sum it up, you're trying to convince us that BT is for real by telling us a story that is extremely unlikely to be true.
213  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 05, 2014, 08:54:35 PM
You are constantly trying to invent some kind of reason why BT is going to fail, since you cant find a definitive proof, you get creative. Little bit consistency in your posts would be very nice. Anyway, I am done, I will not be posting about BT anymore, there are other things to discuss in this forum. Good luck.

A little honesty in your posts would be very nice. You had to cut away the next line just to be able to pretend I was inconsistent. I don't need to invent a reason why BT will fail, it's the nature of ponzies that they will fail sooner or later.
214  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 05, 2014, 03:17:19 PM
Ok, if is the case, why would they put $50 000 cap on each individual account. What possible explanation can you provide for this cap, what kind of ponzi would actually limit the amount of money they can get from their clients and why?

What kind of real business would limit the amount of money they can get from their clients, and why? Why would they prefer to have to deal with lots of people when it's so much easier to just deal with a few? When real businesses ask for money they only encourage small investors when laws require them to have a minimum number.

Most people who have more money would understand that it's a ponzi. If they could find a clueless rich guy who would send more than $50 000 to someone he doesn't know who is, they would probably find an excuse for increasing the limits. When they fold they're much safer if they've only scammed people who can't afford to hunt them down, though.
215  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 05, 2014, 07:29:13 AM
Thanks crazyivan, good to know they have thought about it and set limits. I haven't seen that on their site but if you notice it again could you post it here. Cheers.

They haven't actually set any limits, they just say they have. Of course, even if they give you a number they would make sure it's not possible to check if it has been reached. It's like this audit, the only thing that has verifiably happened so far is that they've avoided paying you for one day and managed to convince you it's a good thing.
216  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: September 03, 2014, 07:25:15 AM
b-t.biz cant be a ponzi or they put their own money inside, because of the payouts and expired shares.

There's a third option: You don't know how a ponzi works. In your case reading the first sentence in the Wikipedia article should be enough to clear up your confusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
217  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin arbitrage, quite profitable BTC investment, make up to 1% ROI per day on: September 02, 2014, 10:47:11 AM
If not, fine again, find something which is 100% safe and please do let me know so I can invest as well.

I don't want risk free, I just want a positive expected return. For ponzies the expected return is negative, particularly this late in the game.
218  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin arbitrage, quite profitable BTC investment, make up to 1% ROI per day on: September 02, 2014, 09:08:32 AM
Yup, they ve promised to provide more info today or tomorrow. According to the last info from their page, today or tomorrow should be non trading day to allow audit to be performed. Results should be presented couple days after that. These are quite specific promises, let us wait and see.

The promises to announce who would do the audit and having it done by the end of August were quite specific too.
219  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin arbitrage, quite profitable BTC investment, make up to 1% ROI per day on: August 31, 2014, 08:48:50 PM
BT has just entered its 11th month being online, everything in order, payouts on time, according to their Facebook page - they have over 8000 clients.

And I assume they will release the result of the audit that were going to be done by the end of August, tomorrow.
220  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin arbitrage, quite profitable BTC investment, make up to 1% ROI per day on: August 29, 2014, 02:16:35 PM
Has anybody actually lost anything?

Nobody loses anything in a ponzi until it's closed, and then everybody usually loses everything.
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