This barbaric anarchic system of yours... I'd like to understand your point of view. Why do you call it "barbaric"? It may have been a poor and hasty choice of a word, frankly. Rereading your posts, you say that "defense companies" are for defense only, not attacking. Here is the problem: says who??Think about it. We may agree on more than we both realize. I agree with you that violence is a poor way of reaching a solution. But violence is also the ultimate trump card, and as long as that trump card exists (as long as violence is possible), it will happen. People want power. |
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Anarchy just isn't going to happen. People naturally consolidate power and impose their will.
People said that powered flight was impossible, too. In fact, people tend to think everything is impossible, right up until someone goes and does it. We call those people "wrong". People also said that perpetual motion is impossible, because it is. Much closer to the same kind of impossible that is this misinformed anarchy you propose. No, we call those people normal. If "it" happens, then generally people will happily change their minds. This barbaric anarchic system of yours is about as plausible as governments being run by newborn babies. That is also impossible. Feel free to prove me wrong on either count. Until then, I consider myself justified in my position. |
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I also had this error displayed, but the transaction still appeared as "sent" and unconfirmed
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I see it like this: we live in a state of anarcho-capitalism. The entity that calls itself "government" in the U.S. is simply the long-standing business of democracy, majority rule, and public interest. It is also a heavily armed and vengeful business. And of course, it is also a corrupt business, like many other businesses. Calling for an end to government (misinformed anarchism) is naive. There will always be people with power over other people. This is an unavoidable fact for any ideology. Pacifism, communo-anarchism, etc. miss this point. "Government" is a meaningless and arbitrary word. A goverment is a business with lots of guns, support, and power. There will always be governments, there will always be businesses, no matter what you may choose to call them. Personally, I am glad that there are businesses that favor majority rule. I think anti-trust laws are a good and necessary thing. Otherwise, businesses with a necessary product and a very high entry threshold (think: power companies... lines, plants, etc) can become fascist monopolies if unregulated. Government is the entity that formally speaks on behalf of the people and prevents these things from happening.
I disagree that there will always be governments. The government NEEDS the consent of the people to function. That's why we are so heavily propogandised in government run education centers and government backed media about the importance and virtue of the state. Once people understand that the government is an immoral institution and isn't actually necessary, it will inevitably end. It's a battle of ideas and the internet is turning the tide. I think this is a false assumption. What do you mean by "government isn't actually necessary?" Somebody is always, always, always, going to be in charge. To ask whether somebody "needs" to be in charge or not is a meaningless question. Regardless whether it was actually his idea, Nietzsche got a lot right about the "will to power." That power is the number one driving force behind every human action. People will always find a way to rule over other people. |
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Now of course AnCap can "work" but will it be better than our democratic systems? Not unless human nature changes.
In 415 BC a democratically elected government attacked a neutral island that refused to join its military alliance and killed all of the men and enslaved all of the children. Even in the context of a war, such an action would be considerably less likely and less successful in modern times. If not human nature, what did change? Going along with the assumption that the likelihood of these types of events occuring in respective time periods can be guaged and compared, would it really be less likely? Very similar things have happened in the past 100 years. What has changed... -News travels faster -People with guns and nukes get more pissed off now at people conquering conquering/enslaving peoples -For a territory to be called "neutral" now either impossible or dishonest (save for, say, uncontacted tribes, etc). Everyone has ties. |
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But, in a sense, having the "bitcoin community" come up with business ideas is somewhat arse-end-first. That's why I get more excited about existing small businesses offering to take BTC.
My thoughts exactly. |
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I think anti-trust laws are a good and necessary thing. Otherwise, businesses with a necessary product and a very high entry threshold (think: power companies... lines, plants, etc) can become fascist monopolies if unregulated. Government is the entity that formally speaks on behalf of the people and prevents these things from happening.
Great. Let's turn those anti-trust laws on this business you call government. Life would be a hell of a lot nicer if that trust were broken up. I completely agree. |
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I see it like this: we live in a state of anarcho-capitalism. The entity that calls itself "government" in the U.S. is simply the long-standing business of democracy, majority rule, and public interest. It is also a heavily armed and vengeful business. And of course, it is also a corrupt business, like many other businesses. Calling for an end to government (misinformed anarchism) is naive. There will always be people with power over other people. This is an unavoidable fact for any ideology. Pacifism, communo-anarchism, etc. miss this point. "Government" is a meaningless and arbitrary word. A goverment is a business with lots of guns, support, and power. There will always be governments, there will always be businesses, no matter what you may choose to call them. Personally, I am glad that there are businesses that favor majority rule. I think anti-trust laws are a good and necessary thing. Otherwise, businesses with a necessary product and a very high entry threshold (think: power companies... lines, plants, etc) can become fascist monopolies if unregulated. Government is the entity that formally speaks on behalf of the people and prevents these things from happening.
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I am definitely interested!
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Good luck... I am still missing $10,000 and it's coming up on a month now. There's very strong evidence that MTGox does not have much in the way of USD and those with large withdrawals deposits are actually funding the smaller withdrawals.. the large withdrawers are going to end up shafted.
FTFY that sounds pretty ponzi-like.. If true, yes. However nobody has any real evidence, it's all just hearsay. Here's my logic: What reveals a lot, is that wire transfers are lagging same as DWOLLA. If DWOLLA was the problem, but nothing else was, and the funds we gave to MtGox were [safely] stored in the bank, the wire withdrawals would be very fast. But since the wires are lagging, it is not unreasonable to say that there is a FRN shortage. Under which circumstances could the FRN shortage occur? Exchanges are supposed to accept currency from actor A and bitcoin from actor B and match them up with each other, and take % from a trade. Not spend deposits, keep them as-is, even when at times it seems a good idea to use them, because they DO NOT BELONG TO EXCHANGE, exchange is holding on to them for their own safety and that is the only reason and purpose. If that was the way exchanges worked, there would be no circumstance under which either bitcoin or FRN shortage would possibly happen. Then, how could FRN shortage occur? a) if funds were embezzled in some speculation. Or, b) if some sizable amount of FRNs was sized/frozen. If there was a seizure, I would see no reason why exchange would not publicly say so. It's not their fault - bank or government took the money. Personally I would be screaming about it on every corner. Do we hear that? I don't. And the reason why is likely because it never happened. That's my chain of thoughts on the situation, take it or leave it. Agree completely. I would never advise anyone to sell their btc on mtgox at this point in the game. I have never even tried to withdraw usd from mtgox, I have only bought btc. But just by reading the various threads about this issue on this forum, it really blows my mind that people are still returning to this exchange site to withdraw. |
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Will IPO on 2012-06-18 @ 20:00:00OBSI.ABMO - Asset-Backed Mining OrganizationShare release is as follows: 1 Million Shares @ 0.1 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.2 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.3 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.4 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.5 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.6 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.7 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.8 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 0.9 BTC 1 Million Shares @ 1.0 BTC I may be looking at it wrong, but this just screams "pyramid" to me. |
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What's with all the sub comments?  Anyway, after some thinking it's probably just an address collision due to my own stupidity. People don't know they can click "Notify" at the bottom right to subscribe to the thread. Wow, why didn't I figured this out earlier? Thank you. No more subs from me. |
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Yeah this sounds like a waste of time to look considering i don't know what this has to do with turning in a paper
The paper is on commitcoin implementation, which this double spend is a part of. If this is what I fear it is it might uncover a vulnerability in the protocol that authors shrug off as being practically unexploitable. Anyway it's not like someone could do this by accident so if you don't know you did it don't bother checking. sub sub |
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i am buying (trying to buy) broken n64 controllers and broken wii controllers for btc.
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Just what I've been looking for. I'm in for the long haul. looks promising.
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01010111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00111111 10010111100101101000101010001011010100101111000100100001101110 10 01 01 11 10 01 01 10 10 00 10 10 10 00 10 11 01 01 00 10 11 11 00 01 00 10 00 01 10 11 10 you do realize that you are speaking gibberish, don't you? |
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Looks like words. Some kind of cipher if it's a real message.
There are many more more than 26 characters used. This draws us to thinking some kind of rotating encipherment with a large alphabet, or "leet speek" using numbers or many capital letters in unexpected places if this is a substitution cipher.
Drink more ovaltine? |
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