simone says that HCQ is a cure for the 'disease BEFORE infection'. not the disease due to infection

meaning before you get infected you can supposedly be pre-infected with covid and sick with covid symptoms before you even have covid. and she can cure you of this
this is not logic or even realistic.
but when you then get infected and get a real disease not her fake 'sick before sick' thing. she will say you will get sick due to something not related to the infection. thus any real symptoms you are suffering from are not covid
thats not logic. or even realistic either

but hey, all badecker cares about is advertising scammy con artists that just want people to buy their chemicals while risking peoples health. stupid part is he doesnt even realise what he is promoting. or why

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as for highlighting idiots.
well. when someone punches you in the face your reality is that your special because your the only one feeling the pain. and somehow you think that makes you have some glamorous status..
you think your getting attention and ineracting with people with every punch you get

what your not realising is other people do get punched aswell and other people feel their own pains. thus what your feeling is not unique, special and not worthy of any high notoriety, its not making you famous.

i have called out many people as being an idiot. there are milions of people that actually speak sense and i dont bother them. but there are some idiots that are idiots and i call them out.
it doesnt make them special it just means that they are idiots and not unique

if you think being an idiot is your claim to fame because people are giving you an idiot title. its not a title. its not a noun that comes with any awards or benefits or prizes.. its an adjective that simply shows that people shouldnt listen to you. because of how wrong you always are

thus my actions are saving loads of people from your stupidity. because i save them time trying to work out if they need to bother calling you out on your crap. or just not give you a second look

its boris's way of 'passing down' the benefits its giving to businesses by having customers benefit from it rather than businesses just reaping the benefits

also as jetcash just revealed instead of just ordering a coffee now and again he is now actually tempted to buy coffee more, and is even tempted to add a poached egg and avocado to his order.
which also stimulates restaurants to buy more produce from farms which stimulates farms to get going again

i think this is better than just paying mcdonalds/morrisons cafe to just stay open by subsidising 50% of the restaurants costs with no secondary benefits for customers/farmers

and the idiots believe there are actual intelligent biped reptiles forming a new world order

reality is just a curse word for the west to insult asian people for their 'cold blooded' motives, slanted eyes, different skin tone, and bad teeth

its a insulting metaphor not a noun

just like people say trump is a over ripened orange.. he is not actually a fruit. he is a human and insulted using a metaphor of a fruit

trump openly loved china pre2020
now he still loved china. but pretends to hate them

FDA has not banned it for everything

and here is the thing you dont get.
if someone told you that you if you sunbathe for 2 hours you wont die from drowning,
you will say that it shows that vitamin D cures drowning

yet the reality is that during the 2 hours of sunbathing. you obviously were not in water.

so when someone gives a healthy person a drug and says it can cure many things. and then comes back to them the next day and asks did you die from anything. and obviously not.. you again would think its proof of cure
but reality is that you have yet to be exposed to anything nasty to really test it out

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actual doctors facing actual patients with covid have tried it. and those people still got sick for days.
there are better therapies such as plasma transfusions. and other medications too

but your an idiot when soemone cant breath and needs oxygen will give people a couple HCQ and then make them drink bleach and if they die you will blame it on saying they must have had other issues.
if they survive you will say see it works.. not realising the survival rate compared to those who dont take it

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emphasis more people are having a better outcome due to having a plasma transfusion. which is basically getting a supply of antibodies from someone that already recovered.

strange thing is . this is the most 'holistic' natural therapy. and yet stupid people dont want to advertise it because it goes against their cultish conspiracy product advertising preference
you cant exactly bottle up plasma and send it in the post for $50 to idiots who visit stupid sites. and thats why yo avoid even thinking about blood plasma as a better treatment
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anyway.. i still laugh how you think that HCQ studies from 2019 and before has any impact on proving effectiveness on covid. more so than actual treatment in 2020 of covid patient s using HCQ that has not shown the results you hope

if you read the article then it would tell you that your method of research is flawed.

so its not about reading the article to be told not to read the article.
its to read the article from a different unbiased viewpoint where your actually looking for information. and not excuses to carry on being ignorant

that article was saying how peoples 'searching methods are not actually going to get them the truth. its just going to get them an answer that fits their pre-set narrative of what they want an answer to be

badecker for instance. you are a prime example
your not interested in finding facts. you have already set yourself an opinion months ago. and you research articles that support your opinion. and only want to link stuff that continues your wrong opinion

you do not do unbiased informed fact finding research.
you have been seen many many times preferring to dig yourself deeper into your stupid hole rather then accept you dug yourself a hole and want to get out of it.

you fear admitting you got things wrong so you just find more articles from idiots to support your stupidity. this is not finding the truth this is just you finding more idiots

you have so many times ignored avoided and just forgot about the many times people have given you real info. you have avoided even learning the basics to even start knowing the real facts. all you seem to want to do is find more stupidity to back up your existing stupidity.

EG
an alcoholic that likes alcohol. might be informed by someone else that alcohol can damage their liver and cause many other things. but the alcoholic will just google pro-alcohol info that says alcohol is good. totally avoiding the science, just so they can have an excuse to keep drinking by saying that loads of websites they found said its ok to drink alcohol..

just like your cultish websites have stupidly said its ok to speed down a road because you wont get arrested.
you stupidly believe that. you have not even bothered to look beyond your cultish sites at the actually reality of what happens when people speed on a road

thus your 'research method' is flawed and your too stupid t realise it

HCQ is a doctor accepted and FDA accepted treatment for years .. for malaria
when you realis that covid is not malaria. covid is not ebola. but covid is a new virus. then you have to look at the new studies involving the new virus and the illness it causes.
then when you look at the studies done for covid specific patients and HCQ you see that it has not given any worthy benefit. so doctors wont use it, as its a waste of time
its like your pretending that tomato ketchup prevents death because the FDA has allowed it to be consumed for decades. your not understanding that although ketchup is allowed for consumption for decades. does not mean that it then cures new things


its like you are trying to say that vit C helps with scurvy so vit C will solve gunshot and car crash victims
you have not realised the common sense that a car crash injury is different to a gunshot and different to scurvy, different to covid

if you think that vitamin C and HCQ are the only two treatments people should have. then you are not realising that the salesmen that are offering you your script are the ones trying to get you to buy their stuff

look at the silly 'american frontline doctors' simone has been debunked. and another one was has not been patient facing since last year and beleives that peoples sickness is due you people being abducted by aliens from another planet and fertilised with alien semen which causes illnesses.

and it makes you laugh that you think those type of people are credible

doctors are under their medical oath to do no harm and to uphold some level of moral and ethics

so if the crap they say is the cause of them being ousted by the medical board.. then you have to accept that what they are saying will harm people and is immoral/unethical.. in other words harmful lies

simone did not come onto this forum to post her crap..

but YOU did
i know your now playing the 'its not my opinion, i dont beleive it im just repeating/linking others' card
but your words outside the link reveal YOUR opinion matches the crap you link. thus i poke at you and debunk YOUR opinion and your posts because you are making the posts not simone

and you have memory loss again because i do link stuff.. actual science studies.
your links are just silly blog opinion pieces from crap sources

many other people post many things. but when i se idiots posting crap and they are trying to say its real. i call them out on their crap.
so if you feel victimised by me poking at you and calling you out so much. its because your always posting crap

atleast put an effort into researching the stuff your going to link. dont just be a faithful flock follower. actually read, learn understand and research what you think you should link. actually understand and really check it out first.

not all heart issues are scurvy
not all ailments are scurvy
not all ailments are helped with vitamin C

by the way
your memory loss. if its true memory loss where you cant even remember conversations recently.. proves that your not a healthy,fit, immortal person
maybe its now time you actually look at your own illness. because all your so called supplements have not helped with your memory issues

as for your nonsense thinking 80% have already made natural immunity..
well. now your just being stupid

there are many many factors at play of why there is a 50%-70% non-symptomatic
sorry but your in the 50% risk category
firstly thats not 50-70% natural immunity its more like half or quarter of that immunity based and the rest is viral load based on how much you lick face(high load) or social distance(low load)

also yes if we go into the 'natural immunity' of the lower % its things like
having have blueprints for previous viruses. but this is not an exact match for new viruses. so not instant guaranteed immunity.
good working immune systems use old blueprints to then make some lucky dip random antibodies that are variants to the blueprints as a just in case random luck match to a new strain popping up.
but emphasis this is more luck than psychicly knowing the future match requirement
also those with less healthy immunity are making less random luck antibodies and less varients. and making less antibodies in general

less antibodies in general even when they have a match is why the virus can linger in peoples systems and keep them sick for a couple weeks before their body wins the battle vs only lasting 24 hours

even if you think you are healthy to have fast reacting and fast replicating antibody immune system and enough immuno strength to make a multitude of varient pot luck... you cannot tell if you have a fast replicating feature that can fight it fast. or if you have a healthy system to have lots of random luck antibodies based on the old strains to defend from an attach even before it battles your lungs

you can make a guess. but you cant just tell by looking in a mirror
here is how you can make a guess
your immune system has 2 forms offensive and defensive(proactive and reactive)
if you feel you never had a runny nose or a cough then you have good proactive(random luck production defense) however if you do get a runny nose and a cough but it only lasts a day. then you have bad proactive but good reactive
and if you have stuff that lasts more then a day. then you have bad pro and bad reactive
in which case this new virus will hurt you most.

i can tell that by your other posts you worry about food poisoning where even local fish, and even burgerking have giving you a bad tummy.
if this has resulted in just a loose bowel(liquid poo) your body is healthy. if however your getting stomach cramps and pain and sweats lasting 48 hours.. your not as immortal as you may think

so truly start actually thinking about your health and not the health a conspiracy site pretend to tell you that you have.

people do get sick and cough it out and can pass it on even when healthy.

there is clear info about this
take june in the UK
with an average daily cases of symptomatic people being ~600
the number of daily hospital admissions was 150 for just covid

that means for every 4 people with symptoms 1 will need to go to hospital because they cant cope at home

so with there being studies on the age distribution where those over 65 are like 50-60% symptomatic and those 20-65 are 30% symptomatic

well
if a group of young adults playing a game of football in a group of 10. 3 of them will have symptoms hopfully lucky no one goes hospital(hopefully).. but yea 3 are coughing enough to pass it on further to others they come into contact with(if they dont stay home using common sense)

if a group of elderly adults in a pub in a group of 10.. 5-6 will have symptoms and may then pass it on
and maybe 1-2 will need hospital care

now here is the thing. unless everyone in the group knows each others medical issues, problems,history. you wont know with of the group might get sick. and which might get sick the most.

so if your one of the idiots that pretends you are immortal. think about the others around you who are not immortal

so dont think that young adults cant then pass it on to others.
the risk is lower. but the risk is not low
jetcash we know your age is over 60 and i find it funny how you play games with a 50% risk of having symptoms and a 10-15% risk of needing hospital care.
i know you want to pretend your in the healthy 50% no risk category. thus you dont think its a coinflip. but think about others around you not so lucky stop pretending everyone is immortal


yes this is why they say elderly should isolate and younger adults should only congregate in groups of 5-6 people(below 10) so there is only a chance that maybe 1 already sick person might make only 1-2 person transmittably sick
EG
keeping the R at 1 if 1 person only makes 1 person sick

just laughing at the "america's frontline doctors"

"theres 2 phases of the disease. theres the covid disease before your infected and the covid disease after your infected. there is treatment for the covid disease before you get infected"
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you cant have a covid disease before having covid.
she just wants to sell people snake oil to cure the "before infection disease"..
absolutely stupid

simone gold is not even a emergency practicing doctor that has actual frontline first hand experience with covid patients
her registered 'practices' are housing addresses. not hospitals
https://www.sharecare.com/doctor/dr-simone-gold-2wsfq

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come on badecker atleast spend 10 minutes doing background checks on the idiots you link
i found all this stuff out in 2 minutes so im suggesting you should have 5x longer to atleast work out a few basic stuff

just because she uses a brand 'frontline doctors' or a trademark. does not make it a description
EG
greek yogurt is nt made in greece
danish bacon is not from denmark
american cheddar cheese is no actually from cheddar

you cant even read english that i dumb down to your childish level.
even when i have broken it down for you. heck i even linked you many times before, about the process and even linked you pictures of the mice and hamsters used to pass the koch,rivers,bell.
but you just played the ignorance and the amnesia card and then went back to your scripts pretending it was never said

how about.. if you cant read or understand medical stuff, stop pretending that you being an idiot is the proof that there is no proof. and realise your just an idiot

there is no covid proof award
no one has made a ceremony/party that has invitees and nominated people

instead there are THOUSANDS of proven documentsation and hundreds of thousands of proven cases
if you just look outside our antivaxxer sites and look

heck just go to your local hospital and speak to a doctor that works on an ICU ward
i dare you to tell him that you know best that you know there are no deaths. and watch him explain to you the truth of what he actually first hand observes and has tests and scan results for

you can play armchair ignorance. and pretend no deaths are proved because no one has personally handed you any papers while kissing your ass.. but that does not mean they dont exist it just means you have avoided looking for them

your sounding more like badecker every day
if someone got shot. you would say its not murder because the bullet does not have a brain. your being very ignorant about the causal relationship of the man holding the gun that had motive and intent to kill and that the bulet would not have caused damage without the mans actions triggering it

same with covid. it causes respiratory issues. i know you wanna play mingames that people die of 'lack of oxygen' but your forgetting the cause.

heck maybe you need to go ask a doctor how death certificates work.. because they explain the causal relationship and have a separate area for impactful but not causal co-mobidities

EG the diabetes didnt kill someone but the respiratory distress caused the blood oxygen mix to get worse causing organ issues which didnt help the blood to circulate or filter. which because the persons blood was sticky due to diabetes made it even worse thus they had a blood clot and died.
where by not having the respiratory distress caused by the virus. bu still having diabetes. that person would have lived that day

learn some common sense causal relationship stuff
the cause of an issue

just watching 5 minutes.
she is not a qualified immunologist nor someone that sees or treats patients she is a blogger
she has a mentor she been following for years
her mentor made a $100k bet in 2015 that a measles vaccine does not exists... HE LOST
so she is being mentored by an idiot

funny part is they are saying that 'there is no virus because no one has found a virus by dipping a sample in sugar and spinning it around (sucrose centrifuge method)
its funny because this method this silly women thinks is the only way.. is not a gold standard. its not

as for saying even her chosen method has never been done.. it has
google has many results
heres just one for sars 2002https://jvi.asm.org/content/81/10/5423
heres one for sars cov 2 https://thenativeantigencompany.com/products/sars-cov-2-purified-viral-lysate/

but there are many more
oh and yea badecker this was from before march.. so you really are out of date with your research
maybe this will help you realise there is more than one way
https://www.epigentek.com/catalog/methods-of-virus-purification-n-41.html

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real funny part is
she says "its crucial in science to do control experiments. .. the scientisits never dont control experiments"
so if no scientist ever done any control studies. the control studies are not part of science.

or reality is
they do control studies. as thats what scientists do.
and she is just too silly to actually research way from her mentors spoonfeeds

whats next.. computer viruses dont exist. they are just badly programmed good programs.

nope.
there is a big difference between a good program thats buggy and a virus that is programmed to specifically do damage on purpose

ventilators are specialist equipment
and yes when american hospitals ask a stupid ER doctor to spend a week in a ICU department and he does stupid stuff he gets reprimanded for it and told to get off the ward. (badecker referenced that stupidity in march)
but thats where hospitals should be better equipped and better staffed
as for the rush to buy/design new ventilators for the pandemic. they are not of low grade.
the reason for the redesign is because some of the usual ventilators are patent protected and can only be sourced from certain suppliers meaning expensive and limited supply.
so the government got companies like Dyson to look at the patent and then make certain tweaks that dont break the quality but do atleast get out of the licencing deal of the certain supplier.

the equipment is actually tested to higher standards in the UK than say other countries. so dont even try making it sound like the new vents are crap

however covid doesnt just drain people of oxygen due to clogged up lungs. it also causes other organ damage due to the strain the virus ravishes on the person. EG stresses the heart kidneys and liver. causes blood clots and all the bad stuff that comes with all of that.
meaning people need other treatments too not just oxygen therapy. and thats why the 'temporary' nightingale hospitals were not much success because they only consisted of a bed and a vent. so when patients bodies were strained with other issues triggered by the virus the vent by itself would not be good enough. so patients were redirected straight to proper hospitals for multiple treatments for all the stuff triggered by the virus
ecmo, dialyses, heart monitors, medications, nebulisers. and all the rest
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yes people already with heart conditions will have a strained heart even more when covid triggers. but even healthy people can strain their heart. yes diabetic people can get blood clots more due to covid. but even healthy people can get blood clots.
also emphasising venitlitors is not the first/only treatment
usually patients start by being given nebulised oxygen therapy via a cpap machine or just non-pressure oxygen through a mask/nose cannula. but yea if things get worse more treatment and more extremes are given.

but anyway.
hospitals should be better equipped and better staffed.
in 1989 there were 300k hospitals beds. but now there are way under 200k. yep less beds=less patients can be managed at once
the nurse to patient ratio has changed
the gold standard in 1967 was one nurse per patient. but this has changed alot
these days a general ward of 24 bed has just 2 nurses and 3 support staff =12:1 bed:nurse ratio
some specialist wards do have the 1nurse 1bed. but even doing the math of 2 shifts(night and day) the amount of nurses vs beds per shift is just too low to cope with any high peak situation

as for the nurses that are trained to a high enough standard to be 'multiskilled' and able to be reassigned to different wards when a need arises. this has fallen to just 60% of registered nurses. meaning

in 3 wards of 73 patients at peak. with 6 nurses(2 per ward) only 4 of them can be reassigned to the ICU ward to take care of the 24 most critical leaving only 2 nurses to look after the other 48 less critical patients
.. and its this that needs addressing the most

as for your playful admission of you not knowing anything
if you just stop loitering around cafe's looking at antivaxxer sites. and actually use your internet time wisely to search proper sites with proper information. you can find the real info.
it took me one google search to fact check the hospital capacity and staffing levels.. and just 4 minutes.
its not rocket science

america invade the middle east and kill hundreds of thousands.. and 'pfft' oh well thats just america
china invade india and kill 20 .. and the world goes nuts

america take over and destroy military bases around the world.. oh well america is just being america
china claim a wildlife sanctuary as theirs.. and the world goes nuts

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in other news. china and india actually have a good relationship. they are forming the brics afterall
its america that want to cause drama between the two and try to drum up hate between the two countries

imagine it 2 countries with both 1bill pop each. uniting against america with only 320m
2bill vs 320m. i think america are scared if china do unite with india
america dont get as much electronics or fashion. but then have a adversary thats over 6x more populated and self sustaining than america

1. presuming everyone 'came from home so virus free' is not logical or even common sense
people might have just finished work at a hospital where they had sick people coughing on them. many might have got off a plane and restocking their fridge after being away, many might have been home but have a sick person at home and the one going to the store is the only one available after being coughed on
heck they might even be supermarket tourists like yourself and its not the first shop they been to that morning

2. when a cafe has half as many tables as it usually does they they have to be more careful about loiterers just using up the space especially if its one person taking up a 4seat table. it doesnt matter if at that precise instant the cafe was quiet. they dont know when a sudden rush of people wanting a breakfast might come in. and they dont want to suddenly have to rush around trying to get you to move while also having the sudden rush to handle aswell. so yea they are pre-empting a rush and handling it while quiet
they would rather have an empty table for 4 potential patrons to buy 4 breakfasts. than one loiterer not even buying a coffee

3. its still good advice to only go to shops when really needed and not be a shop tourist jumping from one shop to another to another just for internet, i mean, your on a mobile phone. you dont need to be sat down especially in a cafe where you are not even buying a coffee. thats just pushing your luck
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come on
for someone that says that people should help the economy. your hijacking free internet and not buying a coffee.. not very inspiring to tell others to do things you dont even do yourself

for someone that wants other people to go around and hug strangers. why be so helpful to your friend by doing things for them instead of motivating them to get their own cat food and hug random people
again. why are you saying to do things you are now revealing you dont do yourself

it seems you love to shout out scripts of stuff anti-vaxxers are campaigning for. but without understanding what they are campaigning for and without actually doing it yourself. heck its like your on autopilot just repeating conspiracy sites without thinking

so here is a plan
before trying to get the rest of the world sick. if you think the virus is so fake go get your friend to risk her health first
before telling others to risk getting sick for the economy. how about you buy stuff first
or
come to your senses when suddenly your own advice impacts your own close friends.. where you suddenly accept that your advice is bad advice.. and realise that we know your all mouth and deep down you know the virus is a real health risk. but ur just upset that your lifestyle has to change to adapt to the risk

welcome to reality. everyones lifestyle has changed. even mine. i used to travel alot. but i aint even gonna risk going on a plane in a closed cylinder of hundreds of people breathing the same air for hours.. i aint that dumb. i adapt, skype is way cheaper then a plane ticket anyway