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1081  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 09:06:23 PM
Your name calling gets us nowhere either.

Also, you put yourself in league with "everyone."  I was not antagonizing "everyone."  I was not even antagonizing "YOU."  If anyone is doing antagonizing, it is you.
May not get you anywhere, but it does me (see you have shut up now)!
And stop deluding yourself that you are not antagonising anyone, those tablets were prescribed for a reason. Now, unless there is something of substance from you, I shall not be responding to your trite anymore in order to maintain the civility that was prevalent here before you reared your ugly head. (Mr Ignorant can safely ignore anything after this line)

8hrs+ on this block ..... our luck's gotta turn!
1082  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 08:09:58 PM
Talking of bloody luck, 28+hrs then 10+hrs then 7+hrs and now 6+hrs and counting ... that is 3 blocks in the last 51hrs!
I really needed to know how that pool luck is computed, but now I think I have better things to worry about. Thanks Mr Teal, JT and Mr Ignorant for all the answers (I have laid that to rest).

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR "Mr. IGNORANT' AS WELL.

IT DOESN"T SMELL GOOD THERE.  PUT IT THAT WAY.

Can't read between the lines here ... are you loosing your rag over the Mr Ignorant bit? Hope not since you tagged yourself so (and gave me exclusive rights too)!

Still, the luck at slush hasn't changed since my last, now just notching up to 7+hrs!

Your language and attitude is the issue.  Like the "rag" bit. 

Yes, I figured you would come back with the "Ignorant" bit as well.  I should have known you would anyway from your attitude.

Hmmm! Know what, I like this forum for one thing, it has the ignore button and since you detest my attitude you can simply push that button on me. Enough said.

Nope, will not do it!

I LOVE transparency!!
Then do not whinge and whine at me, Mr Ignorant.
Without me asking, you said I could call you Mr Ignorant, and the very first time I do, you throw your toys out of the pram. Now you stand on your pulpit preaching transparency. Man, if you need tablets, make sure you take them before antagonising all and everyone.

I am off to watch apprentice, but will be back in a couple of hours (just so you know you twat).
1083  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 08:03:34 PM
Talking of bloody luck, 28+hrs then 10+hrs then 7+hrs and now 6+hrs and counting ... that is 3 blocks in the last 51hrs!
I really needed to know how that pool luck is computed, but now I think I have better things to worry about. Thanks Mr Teal, JT and Mr Ignorant for all the answers (I have laid that to rest).

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR "Mr. IGNORANT' AS WELL.

IT DOESN"T SMELL GOOD THERE.  PUT IT THAT WAY.

Can't read between the lines here ... are you loosing your rag over the Mr Ignorant bit? Hope not since you tagged yourself so (and gave me exclusive rights too)!

Still, the luck at slush hasn't changed since my last, now just notching up to 7+hrs!

I remember when the Slush forum was just people whining about luck  and asking how to setup miners and various other needs for help...
Now its people whining about luck, crying about what others said and general off topic gabbing, and ones needing help get washed away....

Those were the days ... (ahhh! with lovely sunsets .... warm evenings .....WELL, its winter now!)
1084  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Talking of bloody luck, 28+hrs then 10+hrs then 7+hrs and now 6+hrs and counting ... that is 3 blocks in the last 51hrs!
I really needed to know how that pool luck is computed, but now I think I have better things to worry about. Thanks Mr Teal, JT and Mr Ignorant for all the answers (I have laid that to rest).

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR "Mr. IGNORANT' AS WELL.

IT DOESN"T SMELL GOOD THERE.  PUT IT THAT WAY.

Can't read between the lines here ... are you loosing your rag over the Mr Ignorant bit? Hope not since you tagged yourself so (and gave me exclusive rights too)!

Still, the luck at slush hasn't changed since my last, now just notching up to 7+hrs!

Your language and attitude is the issue.  Like the "rag" bit. 

Yes, I figured you would come back with the "Ignorant" bit as well.  I should have known you would anyway from your attitude.

Hmmm! Know what, I like this forum for one thing, it has the ignore button and since you detest my attitude you can simply push that button on me. Enough said.
1085  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
Talking of bloody luck, 28+hrs then 10+hrs then 7+hrs and now 6+hrs and counting ... that is 3 blocks in the last 51hrs!
I really needed to know how that pool luck is computed, but now I think I have better things to worry about. Thanks Mr Teal, JT and Mr Ignorant for all the answers (I have laid that to rest).

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR "Mr. IGNORANT' AS WELL.

IT DOESN"T SMELL GOOD THERE.  PUT IT THAT WAY.

Can't read between the lines here ... are you loosing your rag over the Mr Ignorant bit? Hope not since you tagged yourself so (and gave me exclusive rights too)!

Still, the luck at slush hasn't changed since my last, now just notching up to 7+hrs!
1086  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 07:41:29 PM
Talking of bloody luck, 28+hrs then 10+hrs then 7+hrs and now 6+hrs and counting ... that is 3 blocks in the last 51hrs!
I really needed to know how that pool luck is computed, but now I think I have better things to worry about. Thanks Mr Teal, JT and Mr Ignorant for all the answers (I have laid that to rest).
1087  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 07:08:43 PM
May I just say, I am of that generation where we used to do calculus on paper and were banned (in exams) from using calculators. in the same breath, the link to the site does not reveal how they compute their numbers, simply plug in a few numbers and you have a result ... ! As such, I still am at a loss as to how pool luck is calcullated!

If you want a quick check, you can look at Eligius.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blocks.php
The luck number listed for each block is just Difficulty/shares

You can also look at Organ of Corti's blog.
http://organofcorti.blogspot.com.au/
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"Luck" is the usual difficulty 1 equivalent shares per round / mining difficulty,  or (equivalently) accepted shares / expected shares.

Right, I shall cease asking difficult questions ..... that's it.

Whatever...

I think you just enjoy trying to criticize someone you don't like for whatever reason.

Now what did I say that's got you up in arms againt me?
EDIT: Like I said, I asked how to compute luck and all I got was how to get the luck. We have all the numbers that we believe make up the calculation of luck, but NOT the formula (well, just a link to a page to plug the numbers in!).
1088  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
May I just say, I am of that generation where we used to do calculus on paper and were banned (in exams) from using calculators. in the same breath, the link to the site does not reveal how they compute their numbers, simply plug in a few numbers and you have a result ... ! As such, I still am at a loss as to how pool luck is calcullated!

If you want a quick check, you can look at Eligius.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blocks.php
The luck number listed for each block is just Difficulty/shares

You can also look at Organ of Corti's blog.
http://organofcorti.blogspot.com.au/
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"Luck" is the usual difficulty 1 equivalent shares per round / mining difficulty,  or (equivalently) accepted shares / expected shares.

Right, I shall cease asking difficult questions ..... that's it.
1089  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 06:44:47 PM
May I just say, I am of that generation where we used to do calculus on paper and were banned (in exams) from using calculators. in the same breath, the link to the site does not reveal how they compute their numbers, simply plug in a few numbers and you have a result ... ! As such, I still am at a loss as to how pool luck is calcullated!

EDIT: I just hit upon a plan, I'll rephrase my question: How do I find out what a pool's luck is?
1090  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 05:39:27 PM

tl;dr - Luck or hashrate at other pools makes no difference in the short term. The only thing that matters is the current hashrate and difficulty.

Do you care to throw some light on how Slush computes their pool luck then? Surely, network hash-rate is a factor (not mathematically speaking, but could also be!).
1091  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 05:35:55 PM
Offsubject, anyone else experience very slow transaction conformation times in the last couple of hours? I've made 3 purchases from 2 different wallets and none have confirmed at all. SLOW today!!!

Actually, that happened to me 2 days ago from my last payout from slush. I did eventually confirm, but it took unusually long to.
1092  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
Of course not, just like I can't guarantee with 100% certainty that Slush wasn't fiddling with his new quantum computer module the week before when we were at 200% luck for the week.

Shifting the goalposts to be about professionalism aside, the original observation remains valid. Every time there's a long block pages of posts pop up talking about how something must be broken, or Slush is playing games, or whatnot. It won't change of course, I imagine this conversation will die down soon until the next time we get a 99%+ block, at which point new people will be talking about how Slush broke the pool or is stealing everyone's money.

For those who have seen it all and got the t-shirt, I suppose it would be in order to simply ignore those "annoying" posts accussing Slush of everything under the sun for the sake of their sanity. Barring which, be prepared to batten down for the storm if you talk down to the ignorants ...
1093  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Help antminer s3 on: October 15, 2014, 03:04:02 PM
All those who have 3.12.0-1

no thats the linux kernel version (btw - 3.12.0.1 is vulnerable to dozen of attacks..).
can you please run cgminer -v on the ants to check the versions..


I tried to send the command cgminer -v but I do not get an answer.

I did the following:
open putty
login root
root password
cgminer -v sending

no reply.

How should I do?

2 are s3.
S3 plus 1

what makes less among all is s3

open putty and login, then enter and press return:

/usr/bin/cgminer-api

then look for status (should look like below) which includes the version in the description.
1094  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 01:25:14 PM
you find a block you are pretty damn lucky ... More people means more resources means the 'luck' is shared among contributors and more consistent. This scales too.
Your perception of luck or what it means is conceptually flawed. There is no such thing as shared luck in the context of bitcoin mining, let alone that you can scale that luck.

My understanding of pool luck is that it is a simple percentage calculation based on hashing power (EDIT: that of a pool over the entire network END EDIT:) as a factor of blocks released by the bitcoin algorithm. Sometimes, weights are factored into that calcullation based on bands of hashing power (of a pool), but in my opinion, this is simply eye candy (aka smoothing). If that is what you refer to as "scalable luck" then you are confusing one thing for the other.
1095  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: October 15, 2014, 12:39:04 PM
Hopefully it will remove the cost of shipping for those who have ordered previously......although I doubt it!

Still don't understand the cost though i.e. Batch 11 v Batch 9

2 units (delivered to UK):-
Batch 9   cost 1.160 Btc, at $500  =  $580
Batch 11 cost 1.663 Btc, at $397  =  $660

So, they are making more money today per S3 than they were over a month ago despite the fact that there product has lost value (gone from being slightly profitable to loss making for the majority of users).

Cost should be a maximum of 1.46 Btc ($580/$397) assuming same dollar equivilent cost.

BITMAIN - any explanation?
+1
Hear! Hear!
1096  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 12:32:16 PM
... extrapolate that variation over the number of miners/pools we currently have and it's only natural the variation is going to be exacerbated.

As far as pool luck is concerned, thanks for agreeing with the ignorant mob (or for that matter counting yourself amongst the ignorant mob)

It becomes repetitive. Simple as that. .... The issue is not with what people are (or aren't) astonished about but rather that they keep flogging a dead horse.

What is the harm in that? The bloody thing is dead anyways!
1097  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
... particularly those new to mining - will spout off as though it's unusual and crap on about it being 'fishy' among other things ..

I agree with him. Ignorance is no excuse under the law, nor should it be on here ...

If, as you insist, pool luck is just that, then surely it can not be demonstrated to be otherwise. Unfortunately for you, it has, and that by the ignorant mob you so detest. (EDIT: and by-the-way, ignorance may not be an excuse under the law as you say, but neither is it a crime under any law!)

... with several hundred previous pages of which maybe 5-10% are people utterly astonished that luck can go down as well as up.

Bitcoin mining may be a collective of sorts, but individuals make REAL fiat investment(s) to participate in the collective and have every right to question your very own take on the definition of luck. I personally think in bitcoin mining (as in life generally), one makes their own luck, given everything else being the same for everyone; So, if someone is astonished at how un-lucky (or vice versa) a pool is, so what ... !? (EDIT: that's nothing to write home about)
1098  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 10:36:10 AM
Have you noticed how nobody complains when we have a run of good luck, but when it goes tits-up for a couple of days all the accusations and conspiracy theories start coming out of the woodwork?  Happens every time - so does the return to normal performance, if there is such a thing.

If somebody complained of good luck, that would be strange; on the other hand, it is perfectly normal to complain of bad luck (and that in any field of life, not just bitcoin pool luck!)

Now if you care to take some time and explain to me what exactly your point was, that would be nice (lucky if you like).
1099  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 15, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
dmwardjr,
You really need to read the latest posts in the S4 thread as the PSU's are crap and are catching on fire. Would not put into my house at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if bitmain pulls them for now they know they have some serious problems that could potentially hurt someone.

THX FOR THE HEADS UP!!!

Still will be 2 to 4 weeks before I start getting those.  Maybe they will have that issue worked out by the time I get to thinking seriously about getting 1 or 2 of them.

I need to look at the thread on them.

Seems like they have sorted that out.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330665.msg9207615#msg9207615

Still, I'll wait for user reports after they ship the "new" S4's (by which time they may actually not be worth it in terms of ROI !!!)
1100  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 14, 2014, 09:16:07 PM
Part of me likes long blocks. It gets some of the jumpers to go away to other pools making my shares worth more.

Go away and stay away jumpers.

LOL

I'm telling you, majority of my time is with Slush.  Seriously.  The last couple of days pissed me off.  Had me paranoid.  So, I switched for a bit before coming back.  I'm not a hopper!

You can call me a "Jumper," that's fine.  At least I made a good luck decision.

Yes, you are right about your shares being higher WHEN a block is found.

dmwardjr - not sure why you feel the need to justify an otherwise brilliant decision. There are no flukes in bitcoin mining, and seeing you have invested quite a bit in your hardware, I am (with hindsight) glad for you as clearly it has worked wonders on this occassion. What is perplexing me is why you'd want to switch back to slush when you are clearly doing better than you would at slush! I've got an account with the evil empire as well, and often switch over en-masse to them (not in the last few months though).
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