if there is something you do not comprehend about that comment, please post your question and I would he happy to answer it.

Incorrect. We have birth rights, Creator-endowed rights. God-given rights, however you wish to label them and they are not written down, although the important ones have been codified and ratified "officially" and affirmed "on paper".

We are born unto the land and have no constraints upon us so long as we hurt no one else. We can otherwise do whatever we want. Nothing connects us with any "authority" other than people who force their will upon us at the point of a gun or though threat of force.

Our problem is that we obey them through our blind obedience ... the real foundation of misplaced power ... the cumulative force of a cowardly and compliant citizenry.

Laws, orders, and commands are inconsequential if completely ignored, or if we all stand up and say NO - I SHALL NOT OBEY.

Separated from the citizens that have been trained to obey them, even the most oppressive and tyrannical government officials are no more dangerous than a petty thief, so they are not the ones I fear...

I fear the indoctrinated, manipulated, and conditioned masses who would assault, sieze, imprison, or murder me in a heartbeat if the right "order" is given from those they believe hold authority over them. I fear the herded sheeple who believe that "written law" is to be followed at all costs and "authority" figures are to be obeyed blindly and at all costs ... even at the expense of self-evident rights, liberty, and morals and values.

Throughout history, citizens of the world have been indoctrinated, conditioned, and manipulated into following others instead of leading themselves and their families, and standing up for themselves and their families and communities when needed.

Throughout history, no oppressive and tyrannical leader would have succeeded without compliance of and by the citizens, and by citizens I mean every person in their control structure ... you, me, our families, and neighbors, cops, district attorneys, attorney generals, judges, and even the legislature ... all being pressured to comply and obey.

The problem is not the ones who think they have authority over us. The problem is us obeying them when we are only governed only through CONSENT of the governed.

Its time we remove that consent for a total system reset.

We are the only change we need.

We are the only ones that can make it happen.

Remove all the justifications and excuses, and what you are left with is taking what some have worked hard all their lives for, at the point of a gun, by force, and giving part of it to someone else, while a 3rd party siphons most of it off the top for their own use. All supposedly for the greater good of humanity.

Its saying your rights are irrelevent, because in reality, you have no rights.

Its me coming to your home and taking what you have earned at the point of a gun, through threat of force, because some 3rd party said its legal on a piece of paper someone else signed.

Its saying you have no rights... just benefits and privilages other people regulate with a force greater than your own.

Its saying you do not have the right to do anything you want so long as you cause no loss or hurt anyone.

Its saying you have to do what more powerful people tell you to do, when they tell you to do it, only in the manner they allow you to do it in, while those people do whatever they want, whenever they want, in any way they wish to do it in, because they are more powerful.

Of course, you are told its all for the greater good (of the collective).

Its for your own good because you can not be trusted. Only they can be trusted.

right ?

Now, I am not the brightest crayon in the box, but this reminds me of something ... Yea, its called slavery... serfdom. Get out of line and Massa's overseer's cracks the whip, cuts off your foot, puts you in stocks, hangs you on a wall in chains, puts you in a cage, steals everything you have, rapes your women and daughters, executes you for hearesy, or just murders you in the name of the king, the pharoh, or ruler.

... all for the greater good of the collective ?

... or for the greater good of the real powers in the world behind it all ?

You know, conspiracy is illegal. Are the legislators crazy too since its obvious conspiracies dont exist ... right ?

Is it safe to say that extremely rich, ambitious, righteous, and self-serving people might have a plan and lists they are executing ?

If what they are doing is illegal, wouldnt it behoove them to lobby, bribe, indoctrinate, and manipulate for legislation changes making their illegal wants and desires, legal ?

Does legal equal lawful ?

Does illegal equal unlawful ?

Does the government derive their power and right to rule form the consent of the governed ?

If not, where do they get that power and right ?? By pure force ?

If so, do the people not hold the supreme authority, ability, and responsibility to remove it when its being abused ??

Its happening all over the world. Industrialized nations that have enjoyed many decades, to a century, of prosperity are being trampled by oppressive legislation, globalist interests, and are being tied down with world trade treaties, allowing unrestricted free trade, allowing multi-nationals to import goods made by people being paid a bowl of rice and a poke in the eye, killing those previously industrialized nations manufacturing infrastructure, employment, and economies. Look at the state of the euro and european economy. Its just as bad as America. The globalist interests are buying up governments all over the world to institute the treasonous legilsation and treaty ratification allowing it all. To bring up the 3rd world and bring down the industrialized nations so everyone is lower class serfs who need the government to take care of them. Next is World War 3, the spark of which has probably already been lit in the middle east.. They want everyone to be so beat down, scared, unhappy, and disenfranchised that we will accept world government and have a one world oppressive, tyrannical, totalitarian police state. Believe it.



Please debate the message that you disagree with instead of irrational ad-hominem attacks against the messenger, unless you have nothing of reason and rationale debate them with.

good points.

No one is born a great parent. Its a learn-as-you-go process, bringing along all the stuff we learned growing up, and we make alot of mistakes along the way. We cherry pick and create what we think is best for our kids to best succeed in life, relationships, and business/work. Morals and ethics are a huge part.

Dont forget, as Fathers, we also have the responsibility to correct the "education" they receive from sources outside of our Domain.

media, schools, groups, orgs, relatives, neighbors, friends, associates, or anyone else "teaching" our children anything.

I have found that to be one of the hardest parts about Fathering my children.

so how does a child learn that s/he is not entitled to the use of their parents property without the parents acting responsible, teaching them that, and disciplining them for infractions ?

does that no go against your "free and independent" theory ?

there are literally millions of other things than what we mentioned by the way.

edit: ok so now you are saying the child is only free and independent to the specific points of reading, association, and thinking. Ill agree with the thinking. kids should not be free to associate with whoever they want while under the age of 18. Peer influences and all. Also I disagree with freedom to read anything someoen throws in front of them. I should have the choice in what they read while they are under 18. Take some school materials parents are allowed to opt out of.

So if my child wants to use my chainsaw without my express permission and education and without knowing the rammifications of that action, its perfectly all right with you when he cuts off his arm or leg ? It was  a learning process... right ?

My power tools ?

My car ?

My knife and gun collection ?

Playing outdoors without my instruction on the dangers ?

Walking across a busy street ?

Playing in the water (lake? pool? stream? river? at the base of a dam?) without rules and instruction (or swimming lessons or knowledge about the dangers) ?

You are proving my points for me when you state food, shelter, and opportunity.

You are basically saying, "sure parents have some responsibility, but the kids should be free to do whatever they want in a learning process", when its totally contradictory to your food, shelter, and opportunity argument.

Kids need boundaries, structure, parental education, and discipline. You cant rationally argue that they should be free and independent, then in the same breath say parents should be responsible for the food they eat, their housing, and opportunities in life.

You sound like a youngster who wants what he wants with no limitations or boundaries, but want his parents to be responsible for him in other ways. No offense intended. No ad-hominem intended.

I could not disagree more.

A child needs valuable life tools to make educated life decisions. Their enviromental upbringing supplies a basis for this (this means structure, rules, and most importantly, discipline). A child can not make an educated decision because they lack education, experience, and are irrational as to wants and desires versus needs (a child is irrational and wants what they desire no matter what the rammifications of that want and desire are - as parents we administrate over this and millions of other things FOR them).

Just one of millions of possible examples is: A child can not understand that eating junk food for every meal and snack every day will perminently harm their health, decrease their life expectancy, and harm those descendents they teach this to in the same ways. They simply want what they perceive as tasting good (they want what they desire).

Now compare that to a child parented and taught responsibly, eating only nutrient rich foods and drinks, with a treat once in a while. Hell, my kids dont even like candy and cakes. They like good food. Their treats are fruits, nuts, veggies and dips, etc. They learned this through our good parenting skills. Exponentially less chance for obesity, illness, disease, much higher energy levels, more fun in life being active, living longer and healthier, and a much better relationship through active lifestyles and time spend doing active things between child and parents. Of course they can certainly make their own decissions once they are 18, but with the basis provided to them by their parents and enviromental upbringing, its much less chance they wil lstray far from the healthy path.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QuSc_U5VqDQ#!

we do need government.

we do not need the government we have though.

Apparently, there is more history and connections with pedophilia and government in Pennsylvania and higher.

http://www.yardbird.com/DA_seeks_FBI_probe_of_Corbett_security_contractor.htm

So, now we have at least 1 security consultant/firm owner, 2 District Attorneys, 3 Judges, 4 high ranking Penn State Staffers, and 1 Governor in question.

Now, this made me look back to the DA Gricar that disappeared in 2005 who decided not to prosecute Sandusky and his protectors at Penn State. He disappeared shortly after deciding not to prosecute. His car was found 65 miles away. His laptop computer was found in a river with the hard drive missing. The files on Sandusky went "missing" from his DA office. The files went missing from the little boy honeypot Sandusky created called the Second Mile. Donors who support the Second Mile were told there wasnt a problem. No police records had shown McQueary every spoke with police about the previous incident, let alone filining a report.

The security contractor involvement is making me think about the previous lives of most security firm owners. Their previous occupations are usually military or CIA. You know, those black bag wetwork things. Traned killers and assassins. Now, what better way to stop someone that may have incriminating evidence on you than to have them wacked, and even if they decided not to prosecute, they may still have incriminating evidence they could use in the future.

And why is the York, PA District Attorney going PUBLIC with his request to the FBI instead of pushing it up the ladder to the PA State Attorney General or the Office of the Governor ??

I thinks thats a very important question.

He is either scared shitless and needs to bring this public to save his skin, and/or he sees the corrupt connections to the PA AG's and Governor's office, so he is taking it federal. Can you remember the last time you seen a district attorney talking to the public about their investigations ??

I cannot.

Then I remember a documentary I seen some years ago, called 'Conspiracy of Silence that explains the history of Boys Town as a honeypot for the rich and elite sexually abusing children, going right into the halls of congress: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3395321338401208062

It was supposed to air on the discovery channel,, and apparently due to congressional pressures, discovery channel shelved it and got reimbursed (bribed).

talk about your chilling effects.

I think this is just the beginning ... unless its quashed on the federal level and the FBI decides not to investigate, but then we would have to ask ourselves why if they decide not to investigate. After all, is it not their duty as public servants to investigate all claims? If the FBI does investigate, and the corruption goes higher, will they act like they did in the Boys Town scandal and protect the elite and powerful, instead of serve and protect the public ??

Anyone else remember the scandals where male prostitutes were allowed in the white house in the Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush administrations ?

Remember Barney Frank and others scandals with their pages ?

Is the second mile, boys town, and other supposed philanthropic organisations that "help" at-risk youth really honey pot gardens of children the rich elite can pick and choose from for their sick and twisted endeavors ?

It is illegal to lie to a grand jury, with hefty prison time and fines.

It is not illegal to lie to people, to the press, or in emails.

I think he is saving face in the court of public opinion for doing nothing after witnessing a child being raped.

I believe the sandusky defense is using the court of public opinion to sway/taint the jury pool.

Hard to tell how all of this will eventually unfold, as it seems to be dynamically changing a little every day.

It makes sense to you, because you are conditioned to think that way.

It makes sense to you, because you are conditioned to think that cops are authority figures.

It makes sense to you, because you are conditioned to believe you do not have equal rights under the law.

Its about fear ... its about control.

Even in the slavery of the blacks there were blacks who were given weapons, special privilages, better food, better clothing, special "rights", more freedom of movement, less work, authority over other blacks, even some education, and a badge, hat, or symbol so they could be recognized as ENFORCERS, so the other blacks would fear them in order to control them, and the slave masters could tell them apart.

They were still slaves, but they facilliated, participated, and most importantly, ENFORCED their own enslavement and the enslavement of their people by this conditioning.

Quite often, a slave got uppity and needed to be disciplined. After obeying for a time, they got special privilages, like being LICENSED to drive the horse and wagon (the vehicle of the time) to town to pick up deliveries or to chauffer a friend or family membr of the slavemaster. However, the slave master wanted INSURANCE in case the slave damaged someone elses property in the course of their duties using the conveyance, so that the slave master was not personally liable for any damages. The slave had to adhere to a strict set of RULES AND REGULATIONS (the vehicle code of that time) handed down by the slavemaster and insurer.

Not only blacks but slavery throughout history where an elite ruled over the people.

Major plantation owners (slavemasters) and their descendents became our financial, corporate, and political elite families we recognize today. This is not by accident.

You have been indoctrinated, manipulated, and propagandized. We all have. We are slaves unless we are a member of their families and friends power structure.

All we have to do is stand up and say NO and claim our rights, but we dont do that. We fight amongst ourselves enabling them to divide and conquer us. Control us. When its us who should be controlling them.

When a few actually figure this all out they go into depression. When they come out of their depression, the reality hits different people differently. Some educated others. Others strike out at their oppressors. Others rebel and revolt when infringed upon. Some, like those are Waco and Ruby Ridge, do all of the above and are crushed when they try to live free, then the powers in "authority" propagandize them and mow them down to teach the rest of us what happens when Toby The Slave gets uppity, while trying to use it to manipulate us into thinking militia, constitution, and sovereignty are bad. Ancient relics of a long expired past that should be burried and forgotten.

History constantly repeats itself. Throughout history, oppressive and tyrannical leaders have fallen to the will and power of the people. Throughout history, ALL civillizations have fallen.

You can not regulate a right. That turns a right into a privilage and/or a benefit metered out by authority.

Why do you think there is such a war against personal sovereignty, militias, and the constitution?

Why do they have us fighting each other, so we do not concentrate on the real issues plaguing us and fighting them.

They would rather us fight each other in civil war than to fight them, so they will always hold the power, influence, and control, and guide us on the path they wish us to go down. This is why they created and gave us political parties and stupid meaningless "kitchen table issues" to fight each other over, all the while those political parties are completely identical and synchronized at the top and on the major issues plaguing and affecting us daily.

"... None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free ..."
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

have you taken a look at the world around you lately ?

Because knowing beyond any shadow of a doubt that you are awesome is more than enough, unless you are insecure, and in fact, not awesome, thus have something to prove.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?list=PL1CCE3A409DDABD02&hl=en_US

its a playlist so they will play one after the other automatically.

Traditionally, law enforcement were to serve and protect the people and the constitution of the united states. That tradition is evaporating as cops are being taught to do as they are told and trained. They are being transformed into enforcers for their superiors and government. They are being taught that the people are their main enemies. To secure the control grid. All wrapped up in the term "domestic terrorism". People are waking up, getting fed up, and thumbing their noses at authority, when its the people who are the supreme authority. See the problem ?

You do not have to tremble to be fearful. I fear law enforcements and government ignorance and totalitarian tactics. It is wise to be fearful of those who can affect your existence. Most animals strike out of fear, including us humans. Some tremble, but others use that fear as a catalyst to facilitate change. Meaningful change.

We should be free and safe, but we are not. Therein lies the rub.