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361  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 10, 2011, 10:03:12 PM
More Silk Road Accounts for sale.

2 BTC is the price.

PM me to purchase.

Some of us Silk Road regulars saw the closing registrations coming and prepared accordingly.

I have confirmed positive feedback for some of these purchases on the BitCoinForum > Marketplace > List of honest traders if anyone questions the validity. Of course not everyone on this forum who purchased left feedback for anonymity reasons.

I will be online all everning checking the PM's periodically.

Thank you for your interest.
362  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 10, 2011, 09:26:36 AM
ONE Silk Road Account left.

PM me reasonable offer.

thanks!
363  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Exchange Bitcoins for Paypal safely (starting in a few days) on: June 10, 2011, 07:58:52 AM
Bad thread title.

There is no way to exchange bitcoins for cash through paypal safely.

It's really as simple as that.

It is not just fraudulent buyers you have to worry about.

You also have to worry about paypal taking in upon themselves to cancel and reverse transactions, which is already ocurring. Heck, even if you gift it, paypal can cancel and reverse it even if the buyer doesnt want it cancelled or reversed.

Lastly, you complain about fraud, yet quite joyously and entheusiastically want to commit fraud in the process of attempting to prevent others from committing fraud, all for the sake of convenience and transaction fees you charge, and trying to talk everyone into not only doing it, but paying you to do it, and put them at a very high risk so you can get more transaction fees.

Hello?

Is there anyone home ?

364  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Beware of scammers! on: June 10, 2011, 05:42:45 AM
I really wish Paypal will be a safe way to trade BTC in the future. Its just soooooo convenience.

oh me to but until paypal and credit card companies trust bitcoin and adapt their code to confirm transactions, it wont happen.

BitCoin is such a direct threat to them all, for both being an ecurrency and a method for trading goods and services worldwide.

Its really scarey when you think about the potential of bitcoin.

I mean the powers that be want a one world government, military, currency, and court.

BitCoin is a real step in that direction.

yikes !
365  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Recent Events At Bitcoin Market on: June 10, 2011, 05:35:19 AM
I am posting here not to be a pretend lawyer, but to advise people to shy away from trust services who have shown no regard for the protection or safely of their customers, and offers no reimbursements when, through that trust services own fault and apathy, the customer gets burned.

Yes my posting history is low but I am already listed as a reputable trader in the Marketplace > List of honest traders.
366  Economy / Marketplace / DO NOT ACCEPT PAYPAL FOR BITCOINS YOU WILL GET BURNED on: June 10, 2011, 04:47:15 AM
I know many of you already know this, but everyone needs to be aware, so I post the following....

Paypal has "outlawed" the purchase of bitcoins with their service.

This means that if you attempt to purchase bitcoins with paypal, paypay can terminate the transaction, reverse the transaction, the buyer can dispute the transaction, and/or the buyer can initiate a dispute and chargeback process with their credit card issuer even if its a "paypal gift".

No matter what happens you can lose your bitcoins and get no money because there is no means of delivery confirmation recognizable by the credit card issuer and paypal.

I know like me, many of you have had successful transaction with paypal for bitcoins, but please do not risk it unless you really really really trust the person you are doing business with.

Sorry if this have been beat to death elsewhere, but it is important information.

367  Economy / Marketplace / Re: List of honest traders. on: June 10, 2011, 04:43:44 AM
+1 to Bind
Made a purchase paying with BTC and am 100% satisfied. He had excellent communication throughout the transaction.

Thank you and it was my pleasure to do business with you =)
368  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Play BlackJack with Bitcoins! on: June 10, 2011, 03:05:55 AM
yea not being able to see it before we upload bitcoins is a real turn off
369  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 10, 2011, 03:02:06 AM
More Silk Road accounts available.

PM me with your BTC offer.

Thanks.
370  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Buy and Sell Mt Gox USD on: June 10, 2011, 02:45:30 AM
Do not use paypal.

The BTC buyer can reverse the transaction or paypal can terminate the transaction and revers the funds.

ecurrency purchasing is against paypal rules.

you will get burned.

371  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Recent Events At Bitcoin Market on: June 10, 2011, 02:40:52 AM
What Dwdollar suggestion?!
If you don't know the history of BCM why you come here to bash it? It was never a suggestion and risks were well known and advised.
Too bad PP remains as the best thing to buy BTC from the real world (unless you live on US, but NOT the whole world lives at US).

I do know the history of BCM. I have successfully traded on BCM. By him placing that other Paypal option on the website and choosing to act as an escrow service for it without advising people of the known risks, he approved its use, condoned its use, and advised its use.

How do you define "well known"?? The risks were NEVER displayed on the BCM website. Were you born with this knowledge? Of course not.

You trust the person you are doing business with. BCM is a trust service. Dwdollar violated that trust and all he says is sorry instead of fixing his mistake. Instead, the customer lost out because of him and his service. Thats the facts.

I agree paypal is certainly the most convenient, but I think we define the term "best" differently.
To me the term "best" in regrds to online financial transaction are inclusive of safe, fast, friendly, and secure.

Paypal is NOT safe, friendly, nor secure in regards to any btc transactions, although it certainly is fast.
372  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Recent Events At Bitcoin Market on: June 10, 2011, 01:07:19 AM
Bind, some things you do not understand.


And if BCM resumes PP support, I will resume using it. I have no other option.

I understand completely.

If you choose those risks that is one thing.

But if you do it without knowledge of that risk at BitCoinMarket's suggestion, then its quite another.
373  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 10, 2011, 12:10:18 AM
I know some people are selling accounts, but it seems like a dick thing to turn around and sell them now
Your moral indignation and outright disparagement and alienation of those with surpus accounts certainly wont help you get an account when you have no ability to register one.

Entrepreneurs have an uncanny ability to recognise a financial opportunity when one presents itself.


I would love to be invited to silk road.
there is no invitation process.
374  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 09, 2011, 11:29:10 PM
I was making alternate accounts up until the day they closed registration, and they all work.

375  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 09, 2011, 10:52:51 PM
Hi there everybody... I had an account on silk road before it closed but I can't access it anymore. Just want to know if its been deleted or not (I didn't have any bitcoins on it yet but still  Embarrassed) IF I can't get my account back I'd still like to keep up with some members via SILC or IRC. If someone could pm me with help on connecting to the SILCroad chat please do so  Wink.

another shameless color post to stand out from spam

Unless you did something to get banned, you can access it the same way you always did.
376  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Recent Events At Bitcoin Market on: June 09, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
The owner ... put paypal up as an option and it was a very valuable option for many of us.

and its against paypal terms of service ... it should never had been an option suggested by bitcoinmarket to begin with knowing they would terminate sales ... additionally bitcoinmarket never stated using paypal was against there tos when he knew full well it was agains the payal tos, which is why bitcoinmarket specifically chose not to perform those transactions itself, while never advising their clients they were suggesting it to that it was indeed against the paypal tos ... I believe bitcoinmarket holds a fiduciary responsibility and liability here.


what is Paypal's issue with it?  I presently have some open cases with Paypal's large business engagement ghosts trying to find answers to these very things.  So far they have been useless, but I'm persisting.

We can speculate until the cows come home, but the fact remains its against the tos. If people did not know it was against the tos we must ask whos fault it is then. The user who lost because they did not read the tos daily, or the one who suggested its use ? Or the ones who knew but went ahead anyway and took a chance. You wont win a paypal dispute concerning bitcoins. Its automatic refund.


Yup, got scammed by b4rrydoyle (5184) too. It's just 20 BTC but still... Hopefully dwdollar can publish the payout address for those scammers so we can start collecting all addresses they're using and start to track them.

How are you going to prove you got scammed and didnt receieve the funds without someone "trusting you" and your word without any official confirmation from paypal? Alterable text or screen shots? Your good word Huh


I know there were new people who didn't fully understand the risks involved.  I'm sorry about that.  I will make it very explicit if I continue with PayPal.  

Thank you for admitting you liability and responsibility by your failure to advise your members that the conduit for exchange you suggest by placing on your site is 100% untrustable, just so you can make a profit.



... yet he is not taking the moral and ethical high road and proper reputable business strategy by refunding your money or bitcoins ...

He might as well be saying, "... sorry folks I caused you to get ripped off, but oh well thats the breaks ..."

My oh my - what a wonderful way to run a business and add reputation to the BitCoin system. /sarcasm

Until he does start acting like a real reputable business and refunds peoples losses caused by him, please avoid dwdollar and BitCoinMarket at all costs. He doesnt care about you or the BitCoin System ... he cares only about the BitCoins and cash he can skim off of you. Please use a reputable exchange.

377  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 09, 2011, 10:02:43 PM
Silk Road is NOT an illegal drug market.

Silk Road is an anonymous market.

There are hundreds of legal items up for sale on Silk Road.

Much like anything else, Silk Road can be used for both legal and illegal purposes, like peer to peer file sharing, cryptography, proxies, the INTERNET, the telephone, fax machines, gun shows, guns, knives, perscription drugs, and my pencil (I can write a letter or stab you in the eye with it) ... and to many others to mention.

378  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 09, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
To the naysayers,

Due to all the hype, rampant speculation, media attention, need of anonymity, and yes even fear and paranoia, some of us at Silk Road saw the closing of registrations coming days before it ocurred.

Given that, survival and preparedness-minded folk indeed do create back-up contingency plans for any and all possible outcomes for whatever we are involved in, so of course some have created alternate identities over at Silk Road.

Now that access is limited, we would like to help others get in using those.

That very access now has a value asssociated to it, like it or not, because it is now a closed club.

I am sorry if you disagree with that aspect, but it's just the way it is.

379  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 09, 2011, 10:27:03 AM
Yes there are gernam and eu sellers.

Category sales can be paginated by seller feedback, newest listed, lowest price, and highest price.

Generally shipping is very discrete.

You have to have some address to ship to. How you accomplish setting that up is up to you.
380  Other / Archival / Re: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) on: June 09, 2011, 07:36:45 AM
3 accounts left.

PM me with your offer if you want in Silk Road.
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