Yes I also wonder about this, if communication is going to be like this the whole time we better prepare. This is just bad courtesy.

Expect explaination.

I think we should be looking in this direction. There are several distributed marketplaces under development. OpenBazzars looks intresting. its beta release is at hte end of the month. https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar

also something based on OT might be the best option. http://opentransactions.org . they say they are going to implement voting pools which would essentially eliminate risk of theft. http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Voting_Pools

I would really appriciate some regular updates.. I have checked the official forum, but to be honest there is not to much activity their either.

https://twitter.com/TheAnonMessage had 83,600 followersuntil they got yanked yesterday.

https://twitter.com/Crypt0nymous has 94,300 followers.

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews has 1,200,000 followers.

And past articles like 2012 http://crooksandliars.com/diane-sweet/anonymous-beats-reddit-win-time-100-po show the collective has quite a lot of grass roots.

Are your friends put off by what exactly?

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/false-flag-operations-exposed-new-snowden-leaks-show-spy-agencies-disrupt-discredit-dissent/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/21/nsa-speculates-anonymous-could-cause-power-outages-with-cyberattacks/

A lot of people don't trust or respect the Anon branding.  My personal view is indifferent but I do admire some of their work.  Although there is a lot of uneducated and ignorant people waving that mask around even if it is with the best intentions.  Using official Anon branding may backfire, but it could also pay off if you get a lot of their hardcore supporters onboard with this project.  I've mentioned Anoncoin to a few of my hardcore crypto friends for a good while now and some of them are really put off by the fact that Anoncoin uses the official Anon branding.

Looks like the shilling in the Bytecoin sub-reddit hasn't stopped.

The clustering is fucking hilarious!

This is not quite correct; if there is a outdated version, we (Meeh) will publish a network wide alert informing everyone with version X or lower to upgrade.
Its not something new, it got invented by BTC

Well, the thing is, we don't want the daemon making non-p2p connections unless explicitly allowed by the user, so checking via the web is a no-go. What we *can* do is add functionality where if > 58% of connected peers (ie. 7 of the standard 12 max) are on a newer version, notify the user that a new version is available. Peers can indicate the last mandatory version, too, and if you're on a version < that version the daemon can pump out lots of warnings, and simplewallet can have an additional confirmation dialog for every transaction before sending.

Cryptonote started with bytecoin. We already know bytecoin released fake names as its key devs, along with probably fake bios. The release of that first cn coin has huge questions around it, including whether its early blockchain is even real. Some of the promotional material of that first cryptonote coin was done in a way that copied exactly the presentation style of government projects. Not one early buyer or miner has stepped forward.

I don't know anything about cryptography but I'd be cautious.

You raise 3 points, not one of which is valid.

1) Yes there is interest obviously in coins with anonymity. Nobody doubts that. So what point are you making? You are saying "there is an interest in privacy coins, therefore anoncoin is justified in..." what? Making that its only focus?

2) You don't perceive a loss in credibility of anoncoin? You think the devs gained credibility by not hiding behind a 'marketing gimmick'? Please. They considered the anon mask a liability, thought they might have broader appeal without it. Instead all they did was remove the one thing that distinguished the coin from dozens of others. They miscalculated.

3) Again you are distorting the argument in order to seem to win. The mask etc was dropped to help the coin gain popularity. It backfired. Now anc is losing ground. There is no longer anything that sets it above other coins. Whichever anonymous coin is the first to start looking at the global picture will succeed. At this point there is no indication that anc devs have any interest beyond "becoming the most anonymous coin", an endless pursuit.

Can you, or anyone, clarify the goals of anc devs? They dropped their one small globally recognized statement/symbol. Meeh is working with another dev on something that might or might not be useful, but which a truly anonymous coin should not need. Does anoncoin have any intentions or objectives different than the mass of other privacy coins?

Now of course you will say " the other ones are mostly scams, anoncoin is not" blah blah blah In other words there is no difference right now between anoncoin and lots of other coins except anc has taken steps to try to appeal to more people by softening any sharp edges it may have once had, in your words it dropped the "marketing gimmick". Is that right?

I'm no good at TA or anything like that, but I can tell you that price movements are part of the market, and so is market manipulation. It only takes a kitty of a couple of hundred BTC to control the XMR trading market right now, so you can't take price shifts as indicative of anything. I mean, let's not forget that Bitcoin's flash crashes have typically settled at 50% of the high before the crash, with the worse taking Bitcoin's value down by 80% in seconds in February of this year.

The only time one should pronounce Monero as dead is if we (the core team) suspend development and walk away. The price genuinely doesn't matter to the core team, and it shouldn't matter to anyone who views Monero as having long-term potential. That long-term potential will take many months to be realised, and it will require a lot of the current efforts to fall into place before utility and usefulness can grow.

I'm willing to commit 10,000USD towards building a darknet ANC marketplace/exchange once AnonCoin Implements ZeroCoin

Ecosystems, including in economics, are not koi ponds. Trying to manipulate an ecosystem into existence is foolish. Better to observe what is happening, what is going to happen by itself, then act.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei


Agreed. I have respect for people like scala and anoncointeamtwitter who go out on a limb solo. I do have a lot of websites already that I do not work on because of my current situation, i.e., limited electricity, mostly android etc. One more website to not be able to really work on is pointless at the moment. Soon I may get better opportunities.

As for zerocoin, there are a lot of anonymous algorhythms. Each says it is the best. At this point anonymous coins are a dime a dozen and more are being created daily. It would be nice perhaps if zerocoin were the only game in town but reality interferes, it's not. People need to be honest and admit no single algorhythm will be on top for long and depending on an algo to carry a coin longterm is not realistic.

As for the devs wanting to keep the coin apolitical, I have made my case for taking a stand. If you support not taking a stand please state your case, defend your position. The center of a highway leads to a cemetary.



No, that's not what I should do.

At the moment I am presenting a case for taking the coin in a certain direction. If you disagree then please argue points rather than childish silliness about what I should do. Do you disagree with my position? Then say so and explain why instead of trying to pretend to be the adult in the room.

As for utility and features, those things are closely related. Almost every coin has utilities and features, and what it lacks in them it can add easily. I am discussing a separate issue, whether the coin should represent or defend something beyond utilities/features. Its very obvious the developers tried to create some support for the anonymous political theme early on. The question now is whether they are going to retreat and start focusing only on the privacy feature or whether they are going to go with what attracted many people to the coin early on.

Anoncoin has declined sharply in interest since it has moved to bland conservative themes. People need to decide what anoncoin is going to do. If you disagree please do it with opinions or points.

Anonymity, or the promise of it, is no longer a super feature si ce more and more coins are offering it. Each coin will explain why their anonymity is better than the other guys anonymity. But at the end of the day any new tech can build a better anonymous coin simply by improving the ones that already excist.

In order for a coin to succeed at this point it has to appeal to people on a visceral level. A nice theme about their favorite animal, a catchy name, a naked lady on the wallet, whatever. Then once people move toward the coin and it vets scrutinized it must have the ability to withstand the scrutiny, i.e., good features, ethical devs etc.

One of the strongest themes in the online world, across the globe, has been that of standing up to government corruption, pushing back against predatory law enforcers and militaries, exposing mafia style bureaucrats etc.

Anoncoin should always try to build better algorhythms, improve whatever it can improve, but it would be wise to drop this obsessive bullshit with zerocoin, which few people really care about, and by few I mean very few, and focus on promoting something that a lot of prople really do support. Guy Falkes, generous links to progressive political sites, substance.

Some have asked to clarify on whether its Zerocoin or Zerocash. It's primary code that makes it so good and special is a mathematical equation called Zero-proof knowledge. A complicated but very effective way to make Anonymity features to work. It has issues as in the time it takes to do its job in a coin network. Zerocoin was an anonymous shuttle for transfer of bitcoins. BTC decided that it would invite too much US government anger especially after the Silkroad thing hit. They declined to use it in their network. In February Zerocoin folks decided to make it a stand alone coin. In may/june they rename the stand alone coin Zerocash to help people that where confused. The code for Zerocoin is made public in the libzero library for devs of coins to use. Zerocash is yet to be open sourced but should be soon. At this moment in time we are basing our feature on Zerocoin as that is whats open source. When Zerocash is published it will be looked at and if any improvements to its speed etc are made we may switch to it and rework our code to match. The main part is still the same zero-proof knowledge. When it is near tiem to release a white paper will be released so everyone can have a good understanding of what it is and how it works. So for now it's zerocoin but not 100% carved in granite stone certain. Any and all of these things are subject to change until its released. 

 

I'm pretty sure its the Zerocoin. Zerocash is the the same for the most part but will be their coin instead of the shuttle that zerocoin was to be used for bitcoin. the zerocoin was left to be public so other devs can use it. that why the published the libzero.  From thier site "Zerocash improves on an earlier protocol, Zerocoin, developed by some of the same authors, both in functionality (Zerocoin only hides a payment's origin, but not its destination or amount) and in efficiency (Zerocash transactions are less than 1KB and take less than 6ms to verify)". So far it's not nearly as easy as people thought or every coin would have it. the under lying code though does the same thing and its main portion that makes it so hard to trace is it's use of zero-knowledge proof.

Question for you lunokhod2 Your coin is named "ANONCOIN" what anon do you provide? Just wondering. And as a followup question when you launched "ANONCOIN" did you have working "anon" solution at launch?