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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: IOTA on: April 17, 2016, 04:01:30 PM

Good update!

That's a freaked out looking coin max though,

2,779,530,283,277,761

has any previous coin had quadrillions before?

IOTA amount in trillions not quadrillions, don't freaked out there's extremely important reason for this.  

It's quadrillion, as in the size of the world derivatives market. (see my previous posts for links on the banks OTC derivatives)

If we stick with SI prefixes, there will be no mixing of short/long scales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

Bitcoin has 21 million units, divisible to 8 digits. 1 satoshi = 1 sat = 00000000.00000001 BTC
21000000/0.00000001 = 2.1 x 10^15 units = 2.1 quadrillion units

Bitcoin supply:
21000000.00000000 BTC = 2.1 peta-satoshi = 2.1 Psats

IOTA supply:
2779530283277761 IOTA = 2.779530283277761 peta-iota  ~= 2.77 Piotas

A 32% larger supply and no decimals to monkey with!
+IOTA
122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: IOTA on: April 16, 2016, 10:59:09 PM

Nice optimization, selecting 111111111111111111111111111111111 ternary is more appropriate for the non-humans. 

https://oeis.org/A096053
http://numbermatics.com/n/2779530283277761

Ternary is the integer base with the highest radix economy, binary is next.

"Most economical radix for a numbering system is e (about 2.718) when economy is measured as the product of the radix and the width, or number of digits, needed to express a given range of values."

"Most economical integer radix is almost always 3, the integer closest to e. If the capacity of a numbering system is rw, and the cost of a representation is rw, then r=3 is the best integer radix for all but a finite set of capacities. Specifically, ternary is inferior to binary only for 8,487 values of rw; ternary is superior for infinitely many values.

https://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/third-base/3

2016 - the year IOTA will bring a renewed interest to ternary computing. Cool
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [IOTA] IOTA Speculation on: March 31, 2016, 03:33:08 AM
Barring some fundamental flaw with this technology, IOTA will definitely be a top contender.

Blockchain-based designs are numerous. The use of a DAG is a creative solution and puts us in an entirely a new category.
Other blockchains will use IOTA as a complement, our features will fix their deficiencies.

We are in a unique position, IOTA is unlike anything out there. Once our potential is recognized, the smart BTC and ETH whales will wisely diversify.

Overall the conditions look very good:

+The IOT space is wide open.
+Ethereum is trading in the $10 range.
+Big VC's coming on board.
+Quantum resistance
+Scalability
+Zero fees
+JINN
+...

 Smiley
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [IOTA] IOTA Speculation on: March 31, 2016, 02:25:36 AM
Could you please be more clear about the content of the post... I hate these types of posts. You give the impression that FORBES mentioned the project directly and when I look through the article there is nothing there about IOTA but only about IoT more generally.




http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmarkman/2015/12/09/4-best-internet-of-things-stock-buys/#31bee9fc3b2e

''But it’s still incredibly important and could represent one of the most lucrative investment opportunities of our lifetime.''

The internet of things is a business in counting in trillions and will keep rising.

when IOTA succeeds, we can easily see a marketcap in many billions.

With the post I just want to say that IOT is the next BIG thing, its already big, but its going to explode!! when IOTA succesfully operates and makes deals with big company's we can see a huge succes.

Oh and by the way, there is actually a article on Forbes where they mention IOTA  Wink

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2016/03/14/can-bitteasers-blockchain-ad-network-disrupt-pay-per-click-market/
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: March 27, 2016, 10:55:52 PM
Almost $1M trading volume!

This is just the start. Across the crypto landscape (especially with platforms like NEM) there is so much room for expansion.
The market cap of all crypto currencies is minuscule ($8B with ~$100M daily volume).
The market cap of all stock markets is $70 trillion, even the tiny Bermuda Stock Exchange has a $1B value. 

http://money.visualcapitalist.com/all-of-the-worlds-money-and-markets-in-one-visualization/
http://money.visualcapitalist.com/all-of-the-worlds-stock-exchanges-by-size/

Fiat-XEM-BTC exchange (Crypto Apex), remittance payments (Dragonfly), blockchain-bank hybrid (Mijin), steady growth, relatively low beta coefficient,...
Considerable higher trading volumes and market cap for NEM is to be expected. The long term is of course astronomical. Smiley



126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: March 27, 2016, 10:49:39 PM
i think u should never forget the power of zero inflation
this is why longterm price will have to go up with demand

limited supply for the win!

This is fact. Our fixed supply has no inflation, only 8,999,999,999 XEM in existence.
Quantitative easing=bad, BTC mining=poor/questionable, XEM harvesting=good! 
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: January 09, 2016, 01:23:34 AM
On the forum there is some talk of branding. https://forum.nem.io/
I agree with rb2, the name NEM is fine with or without an acronym.

We can redefine our NEM acronym where the original New Economy Movement is simply replaced
with a new phrase that has better meaning.

Examples:
DVD - Digital Versatile Disc (originally Digital Video Disk)
GAO - Government Accountability Office (originally General Accounting Office)
GPO - Government Publishing Office (originally Government Printing Office)
RAID - Redundant Array of Independent Disks (originally Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks)
WWF - Worldwide Fund for Nature (originally World Wildlife Fund)
TWA - Trans World Airlines (originally Transcontinental & Western Air)

NEM - New Easy Multisig
NEM - New Economic Markets
NEM - New Engineered Money
NEM - N?---? E?---? M?---?

Another option is we can go with a recursive acronym, an acronym that refers to itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym

Examples:
cURL - Curl URL Request Library
GNU - GNU's Not Unix
LAME - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder
MEGA - MEGA Encrypted Global Access
Nano - Nano's ANOther editor
PHP - PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor (originally Personal Home Page Tools)
PIP - PIP Installs Packages
WINE - WINE Is Not an Emulator (originally WINdows Emulator)
XBMC - XBMC Media Center (originally XBox Media Center)
Saab — Saab Aeroplan AktieBolaget (originally Svenska Aeroplan AktieBolaget)

NEM - NEM Easy Multisig
NEM - NEM Experimental Money
NEM - NEM End of Money
NEM - NEM Ez Money Tongue
NEM - NEM ExtreMe
NEM - NEM EMpowers
NEM - NEM E?---? M?---?

*not serious about any of these, just some examples, you get the idea

(owon's NEM is Now Entirely MOSAICS or nemoto_v2's New Economic Machina aren't too bad.)

Words starting with e and containing m
http://worddetector.com/q/e*m*/

Some of the very big companies are known just by their abbreviation.
AAA.com
ABC.com
ADM.com
AMD.com
ATT.com
BBC.com
BMW.com
BYD.com
CBC.ca
CBS.com
CNN.com
DHL.com
DOW.com
HTC.com
IBM.com
ING.com
JAL.com
JVC.com
NBC.com
NEC.com
NHK.or.jp
TBS.co.jp
TCL.com
UBS.com
UPS.com
YKK.com
ZTE.com.cn

Most of the acronyms are derived from their initials.

The company BYD is an acronym derived from the phrase "Build Your Dreams".
http://www.byd.com/aboutus/profile.html

A reverse acronym or backronym is where the phrase is chosen to fit the letters.

The new AMBER Alert meaning is: "America's Missing: Broadcast Emergency Response".
(the term originally referred to the girl Amber Hagerman http://www.amberalert.gov)

The official title of the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 is a ten-letter backronym:
"Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism".
Public law 107-56
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ56/pdf/PLAW-107publ56.pdf
http://legislink.org/us/stat-115-272

Some companies, like AT&T and IBM dropped their original formal name and go only as the acronym.
The formal name of the SAT exam was Scholastic Aptitude Test it now goes only by the name SAT.
https://sat.collegeboard.org/

NEM doesn't necessarily need to stand for anything, yes originally it was new economy movement but
now it can be simply the brand name. If we can find a good phrase for the N.E.M. or the E.M. then great,
otherwise we can just be NEM without any particular meaning.
128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: December 23, 2015, 12:42:24 AM
Top Ten Tech Predictions for 2016

1. Virtual Reality - a watershed year.
2. Consumer robotics becomes a reality
3. Wearables go to work
4. The race for 5G begins
5. Many devices, one platform
6. Blockchain technology embraced by financial institutions
7. Hybrid console & cloud gaming gathers pace
8. eSports delivers significant new revenues for the games market
9. New security models emerge
10. Crowdfunding Fires StartUp Growth*

http://www.juniperresearch.com/press/press-releases/top-ten-tech-predictions-for-2016

*SEC adopts rules to permit equity crowdfunding to the general public.
http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-249.html

Bitcoin is no longer the only game in town.
In the media, "Bitcoin" is slowly (and correctly) being replaced by "Blockchain technology".
NEM will be the hot ticket.
Good days ahead for the NEM platform.
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: December 09, 2015, 03:33:54 AM
NEM did have the best distribution of any Alt IPO. Unfortunately, I just don't see the Alt market going anywhere. Everyone is looking at Bitcoin and features like Rootstock will make many Alts useless. A business isn't going to integrate with an Alt when they can integrate with the largest Blockchain ecosystem (Bitcoin).  Right now, companies don't even know what to do with Blockchain, by the time they do, Bitcoin will have the features ready. Most people won't have the stomach for Alts beyond speculation. The only Alts that will survive (in my opinion) will be those that can directly interact with Bitcoin.  It sucks, but the Alt coin boom is over and dead.

On the contrary, the boom is imminent. We are at the beginning phase of Blockchain technology.



Blue - successive groups of banks/companies/consumers adopting blockchain tech.
Yellow - market share will eventually reach a saturation level.





* http://www.juniperresearch.com/press/press-releases/bitcoin-users-to-approach-5-million-by-2019
According to Juniper the BTC forecast is a little cloudy.

My forecast for NEM: Warming trend and clear skies through 2016.  Grin
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - New Update 0.6.42 - Please Update Your Nodes on: August 03, 2015, 01:54:39 AM
@jabo38

Also, the $1.5 quadrillion figure is a rough estimate. The size of the unregulated derivatives market is really unknown, some say it is ~$1.2 quadrillion others
say it is about half that at ~$600 trillion. Infographics are not normally academic, but its good to at least have some sources.

Big Risk: $1.2 Quadrillion Derivatives Market Dwarfs World GDP
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/09/risk-quadrillion-derivatives-market-gdp/

Here's What $1.2 Quadrillion Looks Like
http://moneymorning.com/2013/09/18/heres-what-1-2-quadrillion-looks-like/

Why Derivatives May Be the Biggest Risk for the Global Economy
http://business.time.com/2013/03/27/why-derivatives-may-be-the-biggest-risk-for-the-global-economy/

World Derivatives Market Estimated As Big As $1.2 Quadrillion Notional, as Banks Fight Efforts to Rein It In
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/03/worldwide-derivatives-market-estimated-as-big-as-1-2-quadrillion-as-banks-fight-efforts-to-rein-it-in.html

Naked Capitalism and the $1.2 Quadrillion Question
http://www.theotcspace.com/2013/03/26/size-matters-naked-capitalism-and-the-1-2-quadrillion-question/

Bank for International Settlements - Derivatives statistics
http://www.bis.org/statistics/derstats.htm

"Total notional amounts outstanding of OTC derivatives amounted to $630 trillion at end-December 2014."
Bank for International Settlements - OTC derivatives statistics at end-December 2014
http://www.bis.org/publ/otc_hy1504.htm

"Compression has reduced notionals outstanding by a little over $200 trillion, including some $120 trillion in interest rate derivatives and $80 trillion in credit default swaps."
International Swaps and Derivatives Association - The Stats Tell the Story
http://isda.derivativiews.org/2012/06/07/342/

JPMorgan Chase had a notional value of $69 trillion (12/31/2012). JPMorgan Bank, not the holding company, had a Total Credit Exposure to Risk Based Capital ratio of 228%.
Quarterly Report on Bank Derivatives Activities
http://www.occ.gov/topics/capital-markets/financial-markets/trading/derivatives/derivatives-quarterly-report.html

Office of the Comptroller of the Currency
http://www.occ.treas.gov/

How Big is OTC Really?
http://www.theotcspace.com/2013/03/22/how-big-is-otc-really/

A good infographic on bank exposure in derivatives.
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html

9 Biggest Banks' Derivative Exposure - $228.72 Trillion
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/03/derivs%20by%20bank.jpg

No surprise here.
Bank of America blocks employees from reading Zero Hedge blog
http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/blog/mass_roundup/2012/12/bank-of-america-blocks-zero-hedge.html

The sooner we transition away from fiat, the better off we'll be.
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - New Update 0.6.42 - Please Update Your Nodes on: August 03, 2015, 01:27:44 AM
@jabo38

Here are few more notes and stats that may be useful.

MasterCard debit purchase volume: $448 billion in the United States for the full year of 2012.
Visa debit purchase volume: $1.10 trillion in the United States for the full year of 2012.
MasterCard debit transaction volume: 11.3 billion transactions in the United States for the full year of 2012.
Visa debit transaction volume: 29.5 billion transactions in the United States for the full year of 2012.
Total number of debit card transactions in the U.S.: 47 billion in 2012, vs. 15.6 billion in 2003.
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/credit-card-statistics-industry-facts-debt-statistics-cm21786

Stock analysis
https://www.trefis.com/company?hm=V.trefis
https://www.trefis.com/company?hm=MA.trefis

Charts & Graphs Archive
http://www.nilsonreport.com/publication_chart_and_graphs_archive.php?1=1&year=2014

Visa's network is a star-based system.
http://usa.visa.com/download/corporate/_media/visanet-technology/visa-net-booklet.pdf
http://usa.visa.com/download/corporate/_media/visa-fact-sheet.pdf
http://investor.visa.com/

MasterCard's Banknet is a peer-to-peer mesh network.
http://www.mastercard.com/us/company/en/docs/virtual_private_network.pdf
http://investor.mastercard.com/investor-relations/default.aspx

MasterCard and Visa use ISO 8583 Financial transaction card originated messages protocol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8583

Visa handles on average around 2,000 transactions per second with a daily peak rate of 4,000 tps.
http://usa.visa.com/about-visa/our-business/visa-transaction.jsp

Visa has a peak capacity of around 56,000 transactions per second and 19,000 tps during peak shopping periods.
(removed, only available in yahoo or google cache)
http://www.visa.com/blogarchives/us/2013/10/10/stress-test-prepares-visanet-for-the-most-wonderful-time-of-the-year/index.html

PayPal handles around 10 million transactions per day for an average of 115 tps.
https://about.paypal-corp.com/

The Bitcoin network is restricted to a sustained rate of 7 tps due to the bitcoin protocol restricting block sizes to 1MB (anti-spam).
7 tps is the theoretical maximum, the practical maximum is about 2.4 tps. 
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability
https://www.quora.com/Bitcoin-is-limited-to-7-transactions-per-second-Other-than-increasing-miner-fees-for-the-processing-power-needed-what-other-viable-solutions-are-there

Side-chains can increase Bitcoin's transaction rate.
http://www.coindesk.com/could-the-bitcoin-lightning-network-solve-blockchain-scalability/

"If  all  Bitcoin  transactions  were  on  the  blockchain,  to  enable  7  billion  people  to  make  two
transactions per day, it would require 24GB blocks every ten minutes at best."
http://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper-DRAFT-0.5.pdf

One Bitcoin negative you may want to include is that it is susceptible to the "51% attack".
And actually with less than 50%, the same kind of attacks are possible, but with less rate of success.
Someone with only 40% of the network computing power can overcome a 6-deep confirmed transaction with a 50% success rate.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses
http://en.bitcoinwiki.org/File:Bitcoin_weaknesses.jpg

Bitcoin is more centralized due to large mining pools.
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-detente-ghash-io-51-issue/
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/9402/mining-pool-centralization-crisis-levels/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1uk690/ghashio_just_mined_6_in_a_row_again_no_big_deal/

Bitcoin hashrate distribution
https://blockchain.info/pools

The Bitcoin network has ~5800 reachable nodes (8-2-2015).
https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/

Bitcoin Network Speed 8 Times Faster than Top 500 Supercomputers Combined
https://tradeblock.com/blog/bitcoin-network-8-times-faster-than-top-500-super-computers-combined/

Global Bitcoin Computing Power Now 256 Times Faster Than Top 500 Supercomputers, Combined!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2013/11/28/global-bitcoin-computing-power-now-256-times-faster-than-top-500-supercomputers-combined/

Tianhe-2, the world's fastest supercomputer has a performance of only 33.86 petaFLOPS compared to 4,831,951 petaFLOPS of the Bitcoin network (8-2-2015).
http://www.top500.org/featured/top-systems/
http://bitcoinwatch.com/

PoW is wasteful, every second about 400,000 trillion SHA256 computations are being performed by the Bitcoin network.
The current Network Hashrate is at 389,815,294 GH/s (2-8-2015).
https://blockchain.info/stats
https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate

Bitcoin Miners Are Racking Up $150,000 A Day In Power Consumption Alone
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/13/the-cost-of-a-bitcoin/

The Impossible Trinity: Security, Environment Protection and Decentralization
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/10829/impossible-trinity-security-environment-protection-decentralization/

Think Tank Reignites Debate Over Bitcoin Mining's Environmental Effects
http://www.coindesk.com/think-tank-debate-bitcoin-mining-environment/

Under the Microscope: Economic and Environmental Costs of Bitcoin Mining
http://www.coindesk.com/microscope-economic-environmental-costs-bitcoin-mining/

Under the Microscope: Conclusions on the Costs of Bitcoin
http://www.coindesk.com/microscope-conclusions-costs-bitcoin/

Virtual Bitcoin Mining Is a Real-World Environmental Disaster
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-04-12/virtual-bitcoin-mining-is-a-real-world-environmental-disaster

Bitcoin's carbon footprint is out of control.
http://bitcarbon.org/
132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - New Update 0.6.42 - Please Update Your Nodes on: July 28, 2015, 11:24:34 PM
How much is one XEM potentially worth in the future? Huh

If the currency is as good as the blockchain then it's probably the best. If it becomes the reserve currency then something around 10 000 dollars per 1 XEM in today's values. 1 dollar per XEM would do me though.

Awesome  Smiley yeah 1 dollar would be nice, I am not too greedy  Cheesy

Well that would mean 9 billion marketcap. BTC went to over 12 billion marketcap and honestly , BTC has nowhere near the pedigree of NEM. These are still early days........people , don't listen to that loser dannac.....get yourselves some XEM.

This is exactly right. "These are still early days."

PayPal processes $240 billion worth of transactions a year and has a marketcap of $45 billion. https://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=PYPL
Visa processes $4.8 trillion worth of transactions a year and has a marketcap of $181 billion. https://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=V

A $9 billion marketcap is nothing for a technology that will most likely compete with all current financial institutions.

Bitcoin has first-mover advantage and is the top brand, but NEM will have second-mover advantage being more efficient and feature-rich.

Bitcoin
-Has inflation (14,437,800 btc in circulation, that leaves 6,562,200 btc still left to mine). https://blockchain.info/charts/total-bitcoins   https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply
-Energy hog Proof-of-Work block reward algorithm. (PoW a.k.a. Proof-of-Waste)
-PoW mining causes monetary inflation.
-Slow 10 minute transaction confirmation.
-Poor initial distribution.
-No asset exchange.

NEM
+Zero inflation (fixed supply, all 9 billion coins released at launch).
+Energy efficient Proof-of-Importance block reward algorithm. (PoI is environmentally friendly and rewards only the most active nodes.)
+PoI harvesting, no monetary inflation, coins are earned solely from transaction fees.
+Fast 1 minute transaction confirmation.
+Relatively large egalitarian distribution.
+Delegated harvesting.
+Encrypted messaging.
+m-of-n Multi-signature.
+Eigentrust++ peer reputation management.
+One-click install client.
+Ninja releases!  Cool
future:
  +Business rules.
  +Decentralized asset exchange.
  +Mobile wallet for Android and IOS.
  +...

NEM is built 100% from scratch (not a fork of Bitcoin or Nxt). The devs engineered NEM for the future with 9 billion* XEM.
*actually 8,999,999,999 XEM (Burning 1 XEM gave us that "fortunate" eight at the beginning.)

Estimated population, based on current growth trends, to reach 9 billion in 2040.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth
World population to exceed 9 billion by 2050.  http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/wpp2008/pressrelease.pdf

Bitcoin: 21 million/1 satoshi = 2.1 quadrillion units.
NEM: 9 billion/0.000001 = 9 quadrillion units.

The unregulated derivatives market is ~$1.5 quadrillion dollars. http://moneymorning.com/2014/10/01/taking-profits-in-a-1-5-quadrillion-bubble/

NEM is designed to accommodate our entire global economy.



NEM has great potential. In the future I can easily see 1 XEM being valued at 1 fiat dollar.
133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What cryptocurrency do you have the most faith in the long term? on: January 08, 2015, 04:49:47 AM
Definitely not bitcoin with it's PoW (Proof-of-Waste). I believe in NXT and NEM. NXT has a great platform. NEM is launching soon with it's PoI (Proof-of-Importance) algorithm.
Our global economy has room for both NXT and NEM.

My vote is for the New Economy Movement.
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards - Nominate an Individual! on: November 20, 2014, 02:23:15 AM
I nominate patmast3r. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.0
135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is almost here[Updates & Discussion] on: October 19, 2014, 09:03:31 PM
4 billion has been advertised from the beginning and changing it now so close to launch may not produce the desired results.

The handout states NEM will be created with a maximum of 4 billion units, divisible to 6 digits. 4 billion/0.000001 is 4 x 10^15 units.
Bitcoin's satoshis is 10^-8 BTC units. 21 million/0.00000001 is 2.1 x 10^15 units.
In this area, NEM already has the advantage, 4 quadrillion is more than enough to accommodate a global economy.

The unregulated derivatives market isn't even that big. http://moneymorning.com/2014/10/01/taking-profits-in-a-1-5-quadrillion-bubble/



In the Chinese culture, 4 is an unfortunate number and 8 is a fortunate number. Multiplying our coin supply by a factor of two is a little on the
extreme side, especially on the basis of this superstition. I can see more analytic and logical minds being interested in NEM, not the superstitious
types. I like the idea of burning 1 NEM to remove the "bad" 4. It is a good compromise and the simplest solution. When generating the NEMesis
block the devs can burn that 1 NEM, then marketing can advertise that at the birth of NEM exactly 3,999,999,999 coins were created.

If we want to take that a step further, burning 2 NEM would give us 3,999,999,998 with a "lucky" 8 at the end, or burning 112 NEM would give us
3,999,999,888 with the "lucky" 888 at the end.

Even though doubling the amount of the coin supply will double the market capitalization, the effect is that it may lower it's worth. 8 billion means
greater abundance and 4 billion means greater scarcity. A lower coin supply may be perceived as more valuable. There are many factors that will
influence the value, but ultimately NEM's valuation will be determined by the concept of supply and demand.
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is almost here[Updates & Discussion] on: October 16, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Do you really want the number 4 billion?  4 means death in a lot of cultures.

It's true.
Especially in China, 4 is the worst number.
It equals to the 13th Friday in Western.

Edit/I basically agree to investment fund.
But it may have a problem of a lawsuit by stakeholders who did not receive coins in the future when NEM value is incredibly high.
Burning them erases this problem in advance.
Burning them will prevent this probable lawsuit and also result in investment fund increase in the end.(by the scarcity of NEM and high value of each NEM.)

what about 3,999,000,000?  we could just burn one stake, or maybe even burn one NEM, and have it be 3,999,999,999.  I personally would volunteer 1 of my NEM to be burnt pre-Genesis block, just to make Asians happy.  I do know that this is serious.  I once lived in a building with no 4th floor.  Really, the elevator went 1, 2, 3, 5, 6..... People take this seriously. Not exactly the mark of the beast for Christians, but many Asians really don't like 4.  

Are we considering changing the total to something other than 4 billion units?
 
What about 3,888,888,888?

It has three triple 8's in sequence. In the Chinese culture this would be very fortunate.

"In Chinese numerology, 888 has a different meaning, triple fortune, a strengthening of the meaning of the digit 8. For this reason, addresses
and phone numbers containing the digit sequence 888 are considered particularly lucky, and may command a premium because of it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/888_(number)

Lucky numbers: Eight
"The number 8 is viewed as such an auspicious number that even being assigned a number with several eights is considered very lucky."

Unlucky numbers: Four
"Number 4 is considered an unlucky number in Chinese because it is nearly homophonous to the word "death". Due to that, many
numbered product lines skip the "4": e.g., Nokia cell phones (there is no series beginning with a 4), Palm PDAs, Canon PowerShot G's
series (after G3 goes G5), etc. In East Asia, some buildings do not have a 4th floor."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture


The number 4 is omitted in some Chinese buildings.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/ShanghaiMissingFloors.jpg

China= 19% of the world's population.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population

We would need to subtract 111,111,112 NEM (~111 stakes).

If we want to keep it closer to the original 4 billion, a couple more choices:
3,999,888,888 double triple 8's (-111,112 NEM)
3,999,999,888 single triple 8's (-112 NEM)

Or preferably just keep with the original 4,000,000,000, it's easier to remember.


Yes 3,888,888,888 is a good number and it wouldn't take much to discard to reach.  You wouldn't see that number on coinmarketcap but it's something which could be mentioned in media articles for sure.  

I'm not really sure what's happening in mainland China in regards to digital currencies.

  We know elsewhere that digital currencies are becoming popular in Hong Kong and Vietnam.   NEM is something that could thrive in those two locations but also mainland China and island of Taiwan.  Eventually South Korea and Japan will get into digital currencies as well.  

Despite MtGox being located there, Bitcoin hasn't really seen much adoption or usage in Japan itself - the emerging trend in Japan is Mona coin (that was $8 million at one  point and almost entirely located within Japan) and maybe NEM could get popular over there.



Creating 8 billion NEM might be good, too. 8 is a good number and everyone's stake could just be doubled.

8 billion NEM is also good, representing 8 billion humans.

"According to the most recent United Nations estimates, the human population of the world is expected to reach 8 billion people in the spring of 2024."
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/#milestones

In 10 years there will be 8 billion humans, that's around the same time when NEM is predicted to totally replace the worlds fiat system. Smiley
137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is almost here[Updates & Discussion] on: October 15, 2014, 12:32:04 AM
Do you really want the number 4 billion?  4 means death in a lot of cultures.

It's true.
Especially in China, 4 is the worst number.
It equals to the 13th Friday in Western.

Edit/I basically agree to investment fund.
But it may have a problem of a lawsuit by stakeholders who did not receive coins in the future when NEM value is incredibly high.
Burning them erases this problem in advance.
Burning them will prevent this probable lawsuit and also result in investment fund increase in the end.(by the scarcity of NEM and high value of each NEM.)

what about 3,999,000,000?  we could just burn one stake, or maybe even burn one NEM, and have it be 3,999,999,999.  I personally would volunteer 1 of my NEM to be burnt pre-Genesis block, just to make Asians happy.  I do know that this is serious.  I once lived in a building with no 4th floor.  Really, the elevator went 1, 2, 3, 5, 6..... People take this seriously. Not exactly the mark of the beast for Christians, but many Asians really don't like 4. 

Are we considering changing the total to something other than 4 billion units?
 
What about 3,888,888,888?

It has three triple 8's in sequence. In the Chinese culture this would be very fortunate.

"In Chinese numerology, 888 has a different meaning, triple fortune, a strengthening of the meaning of the digit 8. For this reason, addresses
and phone numbers containing the digit sequence 888 are considered particularly lucky, and may command a premium because of it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/888_(number)

Lucky numbers: Eight
"The number 8 is viewed as such an auspicious number that even being assigned a number with several eights is considered very lucky."

Unlucky numbers: Four
"Number 4 is considered an unlucky number in Chinese because it is nearly homophonous to the word "death". Due to that, many
numbered product lines skip the "4": e.g., Nokia cell phones (there is no series beginning with a 4), Palm PDAs, Canon PowerShot G's
series (after G3 goes G5), etc. In East Asia, some buildings do not have a 4th floor."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture


The number 4 is omitted in some Chinese buildings.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/ShanghaiMissingFloors.jpg

China= 19% of the world's population.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population

We would need to subtract 111,111,112 NEM (~111 stakes).

If we want to keep it closer to the original 4 billion, a couple more choices:
3,999,888,888 double triple 8's (-111,112 NEM)
3,999,999,888 single triple 8's (-112 NEM)

Or preferably just keep with the original 4,000,000,000, it's easier to remember.
138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Moderated Thread - Logo Voting Has Begun[Updates & Discussion] on: August 05, 2014, 11:22:44 AM
The fan logo looks like a pair of Y-fronts  Smiley

I like the cube logo though, and the colours are good

Had to google what y-fronts are, never heard of this term. Now all I see is mens underwear. Shocked
It would be hilarious if we found one in tri-color!
http://www.coatsindustrial.com/en/images/Illustration-Underwear-Y-fronts_tcm35-8824.jpg


Prototype of fan-briefs.


 Grin Grin Grin

How funny, we may have performed our own kind of Rorschach test.
A committee could not possibly see the fan logo=quark logo=underwear=phallus=praying mantis head=who knows what else.
This is exactly why NEM's symbol should be vetted and chosen in a decentralized way.



All NEM members, please vote!

Inactive members (lurkers this means you!), take this simple step and do something for NEM.

Voting closes soon
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582

Follow the Voting procedure:
Every voting stakeholder will have to send a PM to both rockethead and kodtycoon specifying the chosen option(i.e. "option 1" or "option 2").

Fan voters guide:
Send a PM
To: "rockethead", "kodtycoon"
Subject: Logo vote
Message: option 1

Cube voters guide:
Send a PM
To: "rockethead", "kodtycoon"
Subject: Logo vote
Message: option 2

My campaign for the Cube logo.
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Reasons for Selecting the Cube as the Symbol of NEM.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7729767#msg7729767
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7993975#msg7993975
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7995429#msg7995429
=====================================================================

The new logo is "flat" compared to the 3d appearance of the cube, especially at the size of a 16x16 pixel icon.






Bump.
Login and vote. Voting is about to end.
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582


Bump. This is the final push of the Cube logo campaign.
Login and vote. Voting is about to end.
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Moderated Thread - One Click Install Is Here[Updates & Discussion] on: August 05, 2014, 11:21:23 AM
Some observations of the new logo candidate.

It is too similar to the Quark logo.



http://www.qrk.cc/quarkbrand/

It also resembles the triskelion logo of Ripple.



https://dev.ripple.com/img/ripple-triskelion.png

tris·kel·i·on [trih-skel-ee-on] noun, a symbolic figure consisting of three legs, arms, or branches radiating from a common center.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Triskelion

The new logo explanation says: "Decentralization of NEM is represented by 3 lines coming from the centre."

By using the word centre, it implies centralized. Ideally a logo that represents decentralization will not have a center.


The 3 radial lines represents the centralized characteristics of a star network (hub-and-spoke).

Another sentence in the new logo explanation says: "Imagine this is a fan, it can spin...".

A spinning fan is another circular reference and demonstrates this centralized nature.

The new logo is "flat" compared to the 3d appearance of the cube, especially at the size of a 16x16 pixel icon.





The cube represents the decentralized and distributed characteristics of a mesh network (peer-to-peer).



I will not re-quote my previous post, but if you are curious why I believe the cube is better at representing NEM, read this:

Reasons for Selecting the Cube as the Symbol of NEM.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg7729767#msg7729767

Loi does very good work and his new design is big improvement over the tomoe, but the cube better represents NEM.



My vote will be for Loi's cube design.

Bump. This is the final push of the Cube logo campaign.
Login and vote. Voting is about to end.
Logo vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8163582#msg8163582
140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Moderated Thread - Logo Voting Has Begun[Updates & Discussion] on: August 05, 2014, 11:14:29 AM
The box is not really recognizable as a symbol of NEM and other coins use a box, too.




Hundreds of coins (~450) are disks or some other flat 2-d object, whereas the cube is a 3-d object and its shape is shared with one other coin.
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/
That is a really good ratio and qualifies it as unique.
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