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Do we need some sort of foundation (purely administrative) if so how would be the structure: can we achieve that in a decentralized way?

-   Chairman (multisig)
-   Secretary (multisig)
-   PR
-   TO (technical officer)
-   DEV
-   Member(multisig)
-   Member
-   Member

Yes, we do need this.  Yes we do yes we do yes we do.  

Salsacz has outlined in another thread a similar committee just for marketing, and we need that too.  

But IMHO we also need a purely administrative foundation to think about the organization and deployment of NXT in the months to come.  This will be especially critical since CfB has said recently he is only going to work on NXT core software itself until April, then he is going off to work on another feature for NXT called Project K.  BTNext and JeanLuc hardly post here at all,  certainly not to the same degree CfB does, and that's fine - they are doing an amazing job turning out new code versions.

NXT did not exist in any form before Sept 28, 2013.  NXT has made spectacular progress from one guy's idea and original post to a functional system with hundreds of deployed nodes and a widely held coin valued at 0.00004 BTC per unit in less than four months.  Organizing a foundation is the next logical step to keep this momentum going.

Let's do it.

Ahahah exactly. I sometimes want to contact BCNext and say "You know what...great idea....but take it back, we aren't ready for it"

People become tired to be guided and restricted by authorities.
         If some one gives the people freedom and the connected responsibility, people say "yeeeh, we are free!!!".
         After a while, say get lost in there degrees of freedom and say "yeeeh, we need a leader".
         And the cycle starts again ;-)

At the very least, why aren't there multiple topics on nxtcrypto about individual project discussion as opposed to everything discussed in a single thread here? This seems like a simple organizational fix that could be implemented immediately.

Since everyone wants a leader and someone to make decisions for them about project direction and goals and what not,  I nominate myself. I will lead NXT into the future!! You may all call me NXTGeorge.

You can trust I will have everyone's best intentions in mind!

What I don't get is people want all these things and no one seems to put effort into making these things happen. We need an easy client, ok sure, fine, someone program one, if you don't program, reach out to people who do. Find the people who are already working on native clients and offer to beta test. The API is well documented on the wiki. Parse through this thread and the others and fine people who are working on things or have won bounties. Create a wiki page for it. Create a thread here for it, post it in your signature, whatever.

The whitepaper needs help sure, but I count only 10 of us working on it Sad Add, contribute, research, learn!

Projects need leadership and direction.

We are less than two months into this project. The initial funding BCNext asked for start in October, it's only been 4 months! since then. This stuff takes time, we are charting new territory here.

How can we contact JeanLuc?  For me, everything hinges on this.

You click to that little tab at the top of the page that says My Messages, you click on the tab that says New Message, and where it says "To:", you type in "JeanLucPicard"...

The tech is not a paradigm breaking leap into the unknown.

The social organisation side is, again, nothing new.....u ever tried to get a bunch of anarchists organised ? I have....

We don't need features yet, we need plain vanilla user-friendly functionality to hold and transfer coins.  We need a one-click client that Joe Sixpack can install and use.  We need a dead simple API that other exchanges like Cryptsy can easily plug into and get us in the ability to trade with ease.  We need a whitepaper that focuses with laserlike intensity on NXT's (1) PoS forging, (2) mini-blockchain (c) 1 minute transaction time and (d) 10,000+ transaction per second capability promoted as MAJOR SOLUTIONS to the looming disasters that are about to befall Bitcoin over their ludicrous PoW mining arms race, bloated 16GB blockblockchain, sluggish 10 minute transaction time and maximum 7 transaction per second limit.  And we need a stated deadline for when full open source code will be released.

I vote for centralized leadership and vision and effort to get us to that launch point.

I've been following Nxt for the past couple weeks with my considerable spare time, and I still don't understand WTF the vote about the clients is about.

Is it a vote on how to disburse bounty funds?
Is it a vote on what client to adopt?
Do I need to download each client and try them out before voting?

This client vote thing is one of the more important votes (based on how much I see it mentioned around here) and I still have no clue who is allowed to vote and what the result will be.

I'm sure I could figure it out if I took some time to weed through posts, but I'm choosing to be rationally apathetic.

This pattern will accelerate if you start polling everyone for every decision until only the most hard core Nxters with time on their hands will be able to vote intelligently.

Someone (BCNext?, CfB?) needs to step up and unify this project under a single vision.

Both refuse to do so. Sorry guys.

NXT's single vision is decentralization and community involvement, imho . If i am not wrong, I share this vision with BCNext and Cfb. So you plan to count on BCNext or Cfb to make decisions for you, I think you would be disappointed.

But if some points, this venture become too disarrayed and too fragmented that BCNext has to appear and decide everything then I will leave because because all my efforts have been fruitless. Up until that point, if you care about NXT, then giving up the habit of looking up for a leader and actually doing something. You yourself could actually shape the vision for NXT.

Marketing = more exchanges, more substance, more &unique features.

Could any Devs offer full support to any exchanges looking to add next?

Just pondered the whole voting discussion a bit, too.

There is one thing about democracy that is frequently forgotten.
Democracy in all it's known forms always has rested on a foundation that is inherently nót democratic: the first constitution (as written by founders).

This circumscribes the boundaries that democracy has. Some things cannot be voted into law, because they are against the constitution.
This is a failsafe to protect the democracy itself.

Having a totally "fair" voting system is impossible, but one thing that any constitution tries to do is protect minorities against the rule of the majority.

I feel a lot of debate that has been had over the last days revolves around this fear.

Of course this starting point is centralised (or at least oligarchic) in nature, but the aim of the centralised limits that have been put in place should be to protect the decentralisation that comes after it. One way of making sure of this is that the rules should limit the power of the initial rule-makers.

+1 You have said  a lot of sensible things so far. The issue is very complicated and it is getting even more. I would suggest someone to sit down and write a solid first draft proposal for voting  and also first draft proposal for funding. I am working on papers for the asset exchange so no time now.

I am asking this for the entire NXT community. A referral program to reward websites proportional to the number of new NXT stakeholders they bring in. It does need to be funded.

Anything that costs money can be mapped to a "product/service".

Are you saying that you don't want current NXT stakeholders to get a bounty proportional to the number of new NXT stakeholders they bring in because that would be perceived as a scam? We just went through an entire thing about giving bounties to different websites and social media and the consensus seemed to be that the ones that were more successful at getting people deserved more.

I am just pointing out that there is a standard way in the internet to do this. Referral marketing. I think amazon did a little of it. people are already calling NXT a scam due to is PoS origins. Referral marketing will not change that either way.

Why do you say it won't work? Wouldn't a person who is on the fence about spending a lot of effort on their NXT promoting website be more likely to do that much more if he knew that there would be some sort of bounty?

If referral marketing won't work, then bounties won't work, so we should stop all bounties for everything.

It will take time to fine tune a landing page that leads to new NXT stakeholder. Should we wait until decentralized exchange and peer review to start the process?

Should we wait to determine if we want to fund this?

I am raising this now, because I sense we are within a month from having all the cool tech we need.

attach an affiliate payout so ALL website owners big and small can make money by linking to the NXT landing page.

This is internet marketing 101.