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1381  Economy / Marketplace / Re: WANTED - Bitcoin Sellers! Many Open Orders Needed to Be Filled on: February 01, 2012, 08:23:07 AM
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In USD adjusted rates:
Sell cryptoAUD @ 5.54, buy Gox USD @ $5.55 = loss 0.01 per coin
Buy cryptoAUD @ 6.16, sell Gox USD @ $5.50 = loss 0.56 per coin

No what I mean is, you can sell at cryptoxchange for anywhere in the range 5.55-6.16 USD. Even at 5.80 people will still probably buy. Then take that money to MtGox and buy at 5.54 there.

ATM the gap in price is too humongous.

Doesn't work like that, but sometime you get lucky.
1382  Economy / Marketplace / Re: WANTED - Bitcoin Sellers! Many Open Orders Needed to Be Filled on: February 01, 2012, 01:25:42 AM
Currently price on mtgox is 5.55 USD and lowest sell order on cryptoxchange is 5.8 AUD which is about 6.16 USD. That's at 11% difference. Surely somebody wants to take advantage of this and sell some bitcoins.. Doesn't anyone want my money?  Shocked

In USD adjusted rates:
Sell cryptoAUD @ 5.54, buy Gox USD @ $5.55 = loss 0.01 per coin
Buy cryptoAUD @ 6.16, sell Gox USD @ $5.50 = loss 0.56 per coin

1383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: On the Solidcoin Economic Changes on: January 31, 2012, 05:51:40 AM
Fascinating

So the cost of production is going to equal it's price.  Then, the consumer surplus will tend to (price - cost) => zero.  

From an economics point of view, I thought the previous change from 32 to 5 with bonuses was "interesting" and it had all died down a bit.  This one is micro-cosmic monetary policy experiment worth watching.

Wonder if I can sell my 70 virgin SC1.0 coins as collectibles yet?

Idiot.
Your grade = F.
You know nothing.
You are mis-educating the other idiots.
This only intensifies the already intolerable level of idiocy here.

yes, what a great response

looking at your post history you are not adding anything of value - why did you bother trolling here?
I'm avenging your econ 1 teacher.

producer surplus = ∫0_q (equilibrium price - marginal cost(q)) dq
consumer surplus = ∫0_q (demand(q) - equilibrium price) dq

Much better - thanks.  Smiley
1384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: On the Solidcoin Economic Changes on: January 31, 2012, 03:11:56 AM
Fascinating

So the cost of production is going to equal it's price.  Then, the consumer surplus will tend to (price - cost) => zero.  

From an economics point of view, I thought the previous change from 32 to 5 with bonuses was "interesting" and it had all died down a bit.  This one is micro-cosmic monetary policy experiment worth watching.

Wonder if I can sell my 70 virgin SC1.0 coins as collectibles yet?

Idiot.
Your grade = F.
You know nothing.
You are mis-educating the other idiots.
This only intensifies the already intolerable level of idiocy here.

yes, what a great response

looking at your post history you are not adding anything of value - why did you bother trolling here?
1385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: On the Solidcoin Economic Changes on: January 31, 2012, 02:57:19 AM
Fascinating

So the cost of production is going to equal it's price.  Then, the consumer surplus will tend to (price - cost) => zero. 

From an economics point of view, I thought the previous change from 32 to 5 with bonuses was "interesting" and it had all died down a bit.  This one is micro-cosmic monetary policy experiment worth watching.

Wonder if I can sell my 70 virgin SC1.0 coins as collectibles yet?
1386  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Why do you mine on deepbit? on: January 31, 2012, 02:40:14 AM
Solution to the 10% PPS. Mine proportional, it's what I have always done.

I have switched back to Deepbit because I don't think BIP 16 and 17 are ready for the real world bitcoin network.

What is mildly depressing is that I looked at the advanced settings and apparently I have found 1 block. I only received 6BTC as payments since that's all I earned proportionally at Deepbit while I was there before. I was extremely lucky but it looks like that luck went to the users and operators of the pool. If I were to attempt to solo mine now it would be months before I found a block. Sigh.

One of the other mildly depressing things is looking at the alternatives.  Some other pools charge 7% and then progressively to zero.  Proportional is lower, but then you have other factors like the reward system and size of pool.  I popped over to Eclipse and their current block was up to 14 hours (6 million shares), and that's one of the larger 2nd tier pools.  Even smaller pools have even more (in my opinion) stupid rules or features. 

Evaluating a pool takes different factors into account.  For me (and just me), it has good stability, availability, discourages large hopping rip-offs through hash stability, moderate fee (they take 0.001 coins per block from me).  For others, those might not be good characteristics.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools
1387  Economy / Lending / Re: 4.88 BTC loan needed on: January 31, 2012, 12:46:01 AM
Funds sent.  Smiley
1388  Economy / Lending / Re: 4.88 BTC loan needed on: January 31, 2012, 12:20:28 AM
If you can pm me your receiving address, I can send the coins.  I will confirm with the repayment address.

Patrick
1389  Economy / Lending / Re: 4.88 BTC loan needed on: January 31, 2012, 12:13:06 AM
the account post timing is are better than the other hacked posts

Do you have an interest rate in mind - my published rate is 5% for small/short loans.
1390  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Why do you mine on deepbit? on: January 30, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
Lying is bad and that thing about decentralization of a decentralized currency.
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Also, if a user of any service doesn't bother to find out what it costs, is that always the supplier's fault?  Maybe people should change to cheaper ISP/telco/insurance/gas providers - obviously anything above minimum would be unreasonable in some people's eyes.
Ok, now, That thing about False advertising.

False advertising - that's the use of the term "slightly" right?  I thought (generally) that advertisers were professionals at over-reaching the limits of words.  Out of interest I went to the deepbit front page and noticed they have changed the words since I first signed up.  It used to be clear the fee was 10%, now it's just the BTC/share.  I'm not sure how much a share is worth (presumably 50/difficulty) and not especially interested as mining is only a part of what I do.

I feel inspired to make a pool that charges a 20% or 50% fee, as I'm sure there will be some people that might stupidly sign up.  I could write all sorts of crap over the front page that might not be strictly false, but could be misleading.
1391  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Why do you mine on deepbit? on: January 30, 2012, 09:35:29 PM
Why annoyed?  How about envy?

Deepbit has created a site that allows it to generate income where other pools struggle and fail.  Their success is therefore a target to some.

No one is forcing you to mine there, or pay a huge fee.  Same as no one is forcing you to play roulette and lose 3% (european) or 6% (american) of your stake on average.
Lying is bad and that thing about decentralization of a decentralized currency.

Edit : WTF ? Did you just say the other half of hashing power (pools) struggle to generate incomes ?

BTW : Extremely low variance is moth as an argument because nobody actually need their 0.00001 bitcoin every next minutes.

I didn't say anything about any other pool.  I was observing that someone making money (or doing something well) attracts attention.  I find the emotion tied into the arguments entertaining.

Also, if a user of any service doesn't bother to find out what it costs, is that always the supplier's fault?  Maybe people should change to cheaper ISP/telco/insurance/gas providers - obviously anything above minimum would be unreasonable in some people's eyes.
1392  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Why do you mine on deepbit? on: January 30, 2012, 09:12:27 PM
Why annoyed?  How about envy?

Deepbit has created a site that allows it to generate income where other pools struggle and fail.  Their success is therefore a target to some.

No one is forcing you to mine there, or pay a huge fee.  Same as no one is forcing you to play roulette and lose 3% (european) or 6% (american) of your stake on average.
1393  Economy / Lending / Re: In need of 9.58฿ on: January 30, 2012, 09:04:13 PM
No, i gave you his adress...

I have now learned that you gave me copumpkin's address.  It wasn't clear from your pm and had assumed it was yours.  No matter - the debt is still as agreed.
1394  Economy / Lending / Re: In need of 9.58฿ on: January 30, 2012, 08:35:40 PM
I funded 12 coins to SirChiko yesterday so he could pay back copumpkin.  I discussed with copumpkin and Sirchiko if I should pay back to copumpkin direct, then he could forward the change.  Due to timing and who was online at the time, I paid direct to SirChiko.

I understand the sirChiko has asked for a loan from BurtWagner and "confirmed" that he has no outstanding loans as of today.  Therefore, let me record that he has a 12 BTC debt due to me on 28th Feb paying back 13.2 BTC.
1395  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: First Pirate Savings and Trust on: January 30, 2012, 07:28:53 PM
Different days, and sometimes different times - check you lending web for the payment date.  I mixed up timezone a few days ago and P@40 responded promptly.  Also, if it's a lower priority trans and a long block, that might slow it down a bit.  Just as observations.
1396  Economy / Lending / Re: Want to lend 9 BTC, READ POST on: January 30, 2012, 06:50:02 AM
If it was me, the answer is no (would it end up in Pirate's fund) - deposits at Starfish are separate from my own funds I put there.

Second, I'm too stingy to give that much interest - the project I'm looking to invest in has a 10% payback, not 15%+.
1397  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Why do you mine on deepbit? on: January 30, 2012, 01:52:42 AM

Currently (this week) doing risk management software audit for a retail company (it's a bit dull) and advising on risk parameters/policy for a wholesale company (more interesting).  Next week - don't know.  Maybe I could rub your tummy for you?


So, in reality, you bill at $250/hr, are self employed and have plenty of overhead wrapped into that figure. Maybe I am arguing semantics, but as a small business owner, I can confidently sat that isn't the same as a wage of $250/hr.

What's the ticket on a belly rub?

Quite right, I actually work for someone else and my deal is I get 60%.  I would prefer not to work, but it helps fill in the day and pay for my hobbies.

I'm actually quite honored to have elicited such an interesting response from you.

As for the belly rub?  Probably about the same as when I had to cut my father-in-law's toe-nails.

Edit: sorry this has gone off topic.  Why deepbit?  It'll do for now
1398  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Why do you mine on deepbit? on: January 30, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
I mine at deepbit - so what.  It works so it saves me pissing around and spending my time making other things work.  My time is worth something.

If I pay 3% on a couple of coins/day for the last six months that I've been mining (on and off) that's 11 whole coins ($50-$60) - I'm unexcited by that as it's trivial.

Making other things work? Are you fucking kidding? So, fifteen minutes to set up an account and point miners at it isn't worth $60? You really value your time at $240/hr? I would bet my life that you have no skill worth that much, save maybe whoring yourself out to fat chicks. Even that is a stretch.

Thanks Randy.  Actually, for the work I do my charge rate is 250.

I should have also observed that keeping computers running well on something for six months or a year takes more than 15 minutes, I found that in terms of what i spend my time working on, it wasn't a huge overhead.

What do you do for $250/hr?

Currently (this week) doing risk management software audit for a retail company (it's a bit dull) and advising on risk parameters/policy for a wholesale company (more interesting).  Next week - don't know.  Maybe I could rub your tummy for you?

1399  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Why do you mine on deepbit? on: January 30, 2012, 12:16:45 AM
I mine at deepbit - so what.  It works so it saves me pissing around and spending my time making other things work.  My time is worth something.

If I pay 3% on a couple of coins/day for the last six months that I've been mining (on and off) that's 11 whole coins ($50-$60) - I'm unexcited by that as it's trivial.

Making other things work? Are you fucking kidding? So, fifteen minutes to set up an account and point miners at it isn't worth $60? You really value your time at $240/hr? I would bet my life that you have no skill worth that much, save maybe whoring yourself out to fat chicks. Even that is a stretch.

Thanks Randy.  Actually, for the work I do my charge rate is 250.

I should have also observed that keeping computers running well on something for six months or a year takes more than 15 minutes, I found that in terms of what i spend my time working on, it wasn't a huge overhead.
1400  Economy / Lending / Re: [BITCOIN LONDON] Looking for an 150 BTC loan! on: January 30, 2012, 12:11:29 AM
First inter-bank loan in the history of Bitcoin was done right here, I believe. Smiley

Please pay 57.5 BTC to 1LgJfyNohgkyzogxksENpNTy1vafZP9T6 by 3/6/12.

If the only requirement to be a bank is to call yourself one, then perhaps.  Otherwise, there have been many other non-public discussions and then group investments made in loans.

True enough.
Kluge and I had discussed inter-lending a few days back and how that would work, reserve requirements and pre-agreed arrangements including rates.  When we (four of us collectively) were organising how best to meet DoubleIcrus's need, Kluge asked for a short term reserve loan from myself.  Call it a loan, inter-bank, or a favour - I don't mind which.
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