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141  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: After Effects Of Gambling In Your Health And Pocket on: July 20, 2024, 11:57:50 AM
So I ask each and everyone What are the other bad effects of gambling that make you stop or limit how you play?
For sufferers some diseases such as heart disease are not recommended to try to play gambling because the effect can make it close to death.
What makes me limit myself to gambling is financial matters. As long as the money is still there, there is no intention to stop because gambling is not to find wealth.
Because I am not a person who experiences symptoms of the disease, there is no effect that makes me stop other than money. If the money runs out, that's when I stopped.

That's right, that's one of the bad effects that gambling can cause when someone has or suffers from heart disease, and it's been proven, maybe you've read one of the topics that we recently discussed on the gambling board where someone suffers from it. heart disease and managed to achieve a very big victory which made him make an unusual response due to shock at the result and ultimately died. This means that winning or losing can really be a disaster, for example those who suffer from heart disease are susceptible to shock.

On the other hand, this means that if you really have a disease like that, then of course it's better to avoid various activities that could shock you, whatever they are, but if you don't suffer from any disease at all, then yes, there's no harm in gambling as long as you can manage your finances properly. well, in the sense of not gambling or not forcing yourself to gamble when you don't have money to gamble.
142  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you understand entertainment? on: July 20, 2024, 11:32:26 AM
And I would say that one of the reasons why the intention to seek entertainment is always more recommended than earning is because of course they will be able to control themselves more easily, especially finding time to stop when winning is not the main goal, and also usually they will not treat the activity gambling in a way that tends to be excessive, such as in terms of risking money for example, because usually these various actions will only be carried out or are likely to be carried out by gamblers who come to make a profit.

Abstractly, dependence on entertainment leads to addiction. It stays uncertain to line up every entertainment gambler as responsible or addiction proof. I admit that that compulsive behavior controls a stronghold of every single player's brain. Entertainment without gambling is incomplete for millions of sport men. And gambling must come with slightly imaginable wins to keep the fun rolling. However, with zero doubt, it's admissible to acknowledge players who carefree on the outputs emerging from their predictions; strictly on fun. Unfortunately, they all belong to a minority group, and if it wasn't for this challenge, the entire gambling community wouldn't have consisted of too many troubles.

Yes, and for other types of entertainment that are not risky, for example, maybe that is not a problem, but if it turns out to be gambling then of course the impact of the risk is very large because it involves money and risk. As I said before, when someone comes with the intention of looking for entertainment then there is little chance of ending up with an addiction, but that doesn't mean it's impossible either, because in gambling anything can happen, especially changes in perspective that can occur over time when a gambler's awareness starting to weaken.

But on the other hand, yes, as you believe that gamblers who come by ignoring the thought of "doubling up" are really a minority in gambling, because most of them dedicate themselves more to always trying to make money in it, I understand that gambling does provide every gambler has the opportunity to win but when they continue to focus on that goal then of course it could be a disaster in the future.
143  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What makes a gambler becomes addicted? Lose/winning? on: July 20, 2024, 11:03:23 AM
It varies from person to person. I have seen both cases: when a person is winning, he becomes addicted, and when a person is also losing, he also becomes addicted. But in the long run, the winning isn’t constant. You have to face losses only; hence, in these cases, as the gambler has tasted victory and winnings, the addition develops more to gamble and convert the loss into a win. Generally, gambling addiction is seen in rich people, and they gamble to defeat their egos and hence get into addiction. Addiction is really bad, and each person has different reasons to get addicted.

Yes, it varies, I also believe that defeat can make a person addicted, but usually defeat is an annoying situation which means it takes up more emotions due to the inability to accept results that are not in line with expectations. And overall, in my opinion, the biggest trigger for addiction is winning, as you said, when gamblers experience victory after victory, their addiction will grow.

One of the reasons why addiction is most likely caused by winning is because it is certain that winning is a very encouraging situation which will indirectly make gamblers increase their hope and confidence that in the future they will be able to win again in even larger amounts, and so that in the end they become dependent on these activities, but on the other hand, in terms of addiction, to be honest, I cannot exclude poor people here, because whoever you are, if you are involved in addiction, it does not mean that it is impossible for you to end up with an addiction.
144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: July 19, 2024, 04:11:23 PM
And now it is official, Morata is back in Italy.
It will be not in his usual city, Turin.

He just signed a long deal with AC Milan and at his age he cannot probably find anything better if he wanted to stay in Europe.
For sure he could find something in Saudi Arabia but he wanted to stay here.

He will wear the number 7 Jersey.

https://x.com/acmilan/status/1814254164119261641

Yes, AC Milan officially announced its new player on its social media page, namely Alvaro Morata. In fact, I also expected that there would be a big announcement when the Euro was over and we saw that from one of the players who helped lead Spain to become champions at Euro 2024 in Germany, namely Alvaro Morata.

Previously there were many rumors about Morata's move after Atletico Madrid said they would let go of this player. And it didn't take long for AC Milan to immediately move to approach this player and now they have managed to get him. Starting his career at Juventus, he will now be a player on the team competing at Juventus. His statistical record while playing for Atletico Madrid is also quite good, so he will be widely expected to provide fresh air for AC Milan's front line.
145  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 19, 2024, 03:56:38 PM
After losing Lukaku, As Roma had to immediately look for a replacement player, but until now As Roma is still having difficulty bringing in a new striker. It is true that As Roma's target is player Youssef En-Nesyri, but unfortunately this will most likely be difficult to materialize because according to the news I read, striker Youssef En-Nesyri accepted the offer from Fenerbahce more than AS Roma's offer. The reason is that Fenerbahce offers a bigger salary than AS Roma. I think AS Roma must have other options in looking for a new striker so they cannot just focus on Youssef En-Nesyri but must have other options. If Youssef En-Nesyri fails to bring him to As Roma, they could target another striker.
AS Roma must be able to move quickly to target a new striker because currently there are many big teams who are also targeting players for the striker position so the players will consider bigger offers rather than simpler offers. Apart from that, AS Roma also has to look at young players for this position so that AS Roma's own strength can increase sufficiently next season because players of Lukaku's age actually don't need to be targeted anymore because their sharpness in playing in any match has started to decrease. Although not all players are like that, a team like AS Roma really needs some front line players who are young and sharp in their finishing.
I am quite skeptical when they are asked to move quickly to bring in new players to replace the players who left, they are a very relaxed club in the transfer market, they will look for players who are not expensive to bring in or in other words they are not ready to spend big money during the window transfer opened. And that could happen again in this transfer market, actually this is a little detrimental to the coach's performance and I think De Rossi feels that now.

A coach will want full support from management, including in recruiting players and now De Rossi is feeling that difficulty. I haven't heard that De Rossi is proposing something, maybe he is aware that As Roma management will not move quickly so he prefers other options than having what he proposes rejected. because De Rossi has been at AS Roma for a long time, so he knows the character of this management.
146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: July 19, 2024, 03:40:36 PM
The success of winning the FA Cup has paved the way for Manchester United to appear in the Europa League, this opportunity must be utilized as best as possible to reach an even better level. Ten Hag has a big responsibility this season after he failed to make Manchester United appear consistently in the EPL, the team's shortcomings must be immediately patched to make the squad he leads appear even more solid. Appearing in the Europa League makes Manchester United's match schedule even more busy, the players must be prepared to anticipate the worst possibility.

The arrival of quality players will really help Manchester United perform even better than their performance last season. There is still a possibility for Manchester United to win the Europa League, but on condition that they have to perform consistently since the competition started. The competition in the Europa League is very competitive, making Ten Hag have to formulate his team with a strategy that can reach the level shown by Atalanta last season. The players have to cover each other's weaknesses and maintain unity in all lines.

In the midst of a busy schedule there is bound to be something that ends up being a problem for all teams, it could be a storm of injuries and so on. So they must be able to ensure that the depth of the squad they have is very good, so that if something happens to the players they can quickly make a rotation whose strength is not much different from the main squad. Usually this is a fundamental problem for several clubs, they experience a decline because their squad suffers from many injuries.

I'm sure as a club they have anticipated this, but in practice many things are far from what was expected. Erik Ten Hag was lucky because he was not fired after failing in the Premier League, and he was still lucky because he could play in European competition through the place they got in the FA Cup. But to be honest, they still have a lot of work to complete quickly before the league starts again.
147  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season on: July 19, 2024, 03:21:21 PM
If all predictions were accurate then there will not be any need to watch the games, and that is what makes sports interesting, however casinos are experts at calculating those odds as that is the most important part of their business, so chances are that one of the teams at the top will get the championship, however at this time the overwhelming favorite seems to be Real Madrid, and if its players can remain healthy, it is going to be a real challenge for other teams to beat them.
There is no prediction that has a perfect level of accuracy, football is a game played by two teams with the aim of beating each other, so predictions are only a sweetener to make bettors feel interested in placing bets. In football there are always surprises that make predictions makers feel stupid, the unseeded team can beat the favorite team and this happens very often in matches.
Currently only Real Madrid is one of the strongest teams in the UCL, prediction makers will always place Real Madrid as the most favored team in every match. However, Real Madrid cannot always win every match, there are times when they also lose and bettors must be able to calculate the odds based on the condition of the team and the opponents they will face.

Football is the most difficult sport to predict in my opinion. The reason is that every season they have different squads and strengths, they also change coaches which makes their game different and there are many more. The strategies derived will be different based on the opponent they will face, not to mention the problems that can occur in the game, including red cards and injuries to their mainstay players.

We can only base this on their previous performance and also what kind of squad depth they have. This is one of the factors why we can draw a conclusion about which club has the highest chance. In relation to Real Madrid, we can see the squad they have now. They have many potential young players who succeeded in bringing Real Madrid to become champions previously, plus the signing of new players who have also become the most talked about players recently makes them considered even stronger.
148  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Premier League 2024/2025 Discussion Thread ⚽ on: July 19, 2024, 03:07:21 PM
I think that's just an excuse for the club owner so they can fire him, basically Mauricio Pochettino was fired because he failed to meet the targets that Chelsea wanted. Every coach who fails to meet the targets will definitely be fired and Chelsea has always done that in the last few seasons and didn't give the coach a second chance.
And if Enzo Maresca also fails to meet the targets that Chelsea wants next season, in the end he will also be fired like Pochettino. I just hope that Chelsea management always thinks carefully before making a decision because it will have an impact on the club. Every coach has his own way and they too takes time to adapt.
In my opinion, changing too many coaches in a very short time is also a problem for a club. The reason is that in a short time the coach has just started his journey because they also need time to make everything good. In a short time there is nothing a coach can do, unless they are very lucky at the same time so they can make a significant change. I myself rarely see coaches being successful in their first season, they will only show the truth in their second season. So Chelsea must start giving second chances to their coaches.

Whoever comes to be Chelsea coach and the management sets high targets, I think all coaches will fail. Because they have to build a foundation first and get to know each player's character. Not to mention the pressure they get will affect their performance. Chelsea should see a club succeed after giving their coach a second chance, except after they have given him many chances but nothing has changed, they can sack him.
149  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you understand entertainment? on: July 19, 2024, 02:54:56 PM
In the topic of gambling, I often see the word "entertainment". Nevertheless, each user means some meaning by this. Many people believe that entertainment is the main driving force of any gambling. And many even believe that entertainment is a much more physiological need than, for example, a desire to get rich. If you initially set yourself the goal only to have fun, and limit the amount that you are ready to take a chance, then you play for the sake of entertainment, and not because of the thirst for profit. You risk less. But if you ask you what entertainment is for you, then this question will be at a dead end. They do not know what entertainment is. Wikipedia writes that this is activity for pleasure.
 But I see in this a certain cognitive activity, only with poorly formulated goals. For example, you play in order to understand the laws of the game over time and learn to win more often.
 Or maybe entertainment for you is something else?

      -      Not all gamblers are entertainment in their purpose, because most of them are sure to get a gambling profit in the casino. And it is common for others to be the only casino online at this time of their cast resource, and it is even different from their hope of lifting life.

So the entertainment is just for gamblers who ignore them, and only limited is the only amount to gamble because their intentions are just entertaining.

Gambling with the intention and purpose of entertainment does not mean that you will only get entertainment and will not get any wins as long as you are involved in the gambling activity, because of course gambling will always be an activity that leads to two possibilities at the end of the session, either winning or losing, meaning There will definitely always be certain times for you to win, but it is also clear that defeat will be something you will definitely experience too.

And I would say that one of the reasons why the intention to seek entertainment is always more recommended than earning is because of course they will be able to control themselves more easily, especially finding time to stop when winning is not the main goal, and also usually they will not treat the activity gambling in a way that tends to be excessive, such as in terms of risking money for example, because usually these various actions will only be carried out or are likely to be carried out by gamblers who come to make a profit.
150  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Never gamble in front of your kids. on: July 19, 2024, 02:34:07 PM
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Yes, small children are really like sponges, they don't care about whether it is good or bad, the point is that when they see adults, especially their parents, doing an activity, they will most likely always approach you to see what you are really about. do, especially since this is gambling where I am sure that every gambler will make a certain response or reaction when they experience a loss or win and that is what will make a child feel even more curious about the activities you are doing at that time.

In real life, I think that directing a child to everything that is good and forbidding them from doing or saying things that are not commendable has become a common thing that is done by both parents, especially by a mother who is usually someone who dedicates herself more to taking care of children. her children while her husband works. On the other hand, I think there is absolutely no reasonable reason for gambling in front of children, most likely it is done intentionally because they don't really care about their children, or it could also be because they don't pay attention to various potential bad possibilities. that could happen to their children.
Dude, you really are right: kids are like sponges. Every movement we do is watched by them. So yes, maybe avoid gambling like a degenerate in front of them. Its like imparting to them the knowledge that money vanishes magically. But we now possess technology. Surely there must be games or applications modeled by gambling. Show your children about odds, about how the house usually wins, about how losing your shirt doesnt look good. Boom, you made a vice a teaching tool for life. We are not cavemen these days. With the tools we acquired, lets create wiser, more conscious children.

Yes, because I think there may be some people here who have experienced things where they saw or heard something said by their child that they shouldn't have said because it was a dishonorable word, I often hear my brother's child say rude things to other people. even though their parents never taught them that, it means that a child has very intelligent abilities in terms of learning various things without us realizing it. On the other hand, showing children about the bad things about gambling might be reliable, but I think it's better not to tell them anything at all that has elements of gambling. This is because it cannot be denied that in the end there is a possibility for them to try it when you are careless in any way, because of course usually a child has a very high level of curiosity, so even though you explain in detail to them about the bad things about gambling, that doesn't mean it was impossible for them to try.
151  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Being hesitant could make or break you. on: July 19, 2024, 01:55:31 PM
When you gamble with the amount that you can afford to loose, it drastically reduces the level of uncertainties that you will have. You will bet and not worry much whether you will win or lose because it is gamble and nobody is 100% sure of the outcome of a match. It's only when you plan to bet with the amount that you cannot afford to loose, that is when the feeling of uncertainties will be very persistence and the indecision can affect your peace of mind. It can also cause arguments among friends like in the OP, every one of them were agitated and uncertain of where to place their bets, probably because they tend to bet with reasonable amounts that they could not afford to loose.
Betting not with our money or with borrowed money also gives us anxiety when we want to place a bet. This can be more careful, but it can also be worse because of the pressure when you want to bet.
The situation can indeed affect our ability to make decisions. and there are many more gamblers who end up regretting betting with indecision because the results will definitely not be pleasant.
It will definitely be different when we can bet freely without any pressure. Even though we will still hope to win, we will not have any pressure after the bet is finished even when we are losing.

That's right, I think that's for sure, or what it means is that gambling using other people's funds, including borrowed funds, can really make us feel doubtful in making decisions, because of course we most likely won't want it if in the end we experience defeat, where we will lose the money and also have to pay it back to the borrower.
But regarding the results, I think it depends on what type of game you play. If you are gambling on a type of game that is purely based on luck, such as a slot machine, then in my opinion there is no significant difference in the results, even if for example you experience a lot of doubt in making decisions. at the beginning, because in the end it depends on your luck at that time. But if you are betting on a skill-based type of game then yes, of course the borrowed money will disturb you in terms of analysis which will make you feel doubtful in making decisions.
Pressure will always be something that will definitely be felt in the process of betting, therefore of course this is the reason why gambling using borrowed money is completely unfounded, because apart from causing pressure, it can also increase feelings of regret when it turns out to be true - really lost.
152  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What makes a gambler becomes addicted? Lose/winning? on: July 19, 2024, 01:35:43 PM
That is gambling for you,  just one particular thing can cause someone to be addicted that is why one needs to be very careful with gambling not to fall victim of addiction. Just having the mindset if making money from gambling all the time can even cause one to be addicted, to avoid addiction in gambling it is better never to take it serious, just gamble to have fun. Winning or losing can really make a gambler to be very addicted more.

Having the mindset of making money from gambling will not just make you to be addicted because there are many gamblers that are only doing it to make money but they are not addicted. Addiction comes from your mindset of not accepting defeat when you have one and retiring to try again another day. Addiction come from not being satisfied with your wins, addiction come from having greed as any money you win will not be alright for you. If you do not know how to control your emotions you are going to get addicted. Anybody can gamble for any reason that he wants and if he has everything under control, he can gamble for many years and still not get addicted. Just know you can not always win and become comfortable with the small wins  that you are receiving and with time you can win more money or hit a jackpot.  Do not be too concerned about winning  aways and just be enjoy yourself.

It makes a little sense, but I think when someone has the intention and purpose to produce then the potential for addiction can be greater than when you don't have the intention to produce. As you said, addiction comes from a person's inability to control himself and addiction also comes from someone who always uses greed. But I think we can imagine that when you have the intention to produce then it will certainly be very difficult for you to ignore the greed within you.

That's different from when you gamble for entertainment and not money, because there will be no greed if your goal is not money. I would say that actually the meaning of addiction is that you are addicted to always doing an activity because of a certain goal, meaning that even though for example you are able to be satisfied with small wins and not apply greed but when your goal is to make money then I think that is considered an addiction too, and on the other hand I am sure that over time you will become dependent on these activities when your goal is to earn.
153  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Double your money and quite on: July 19, 2024, 01:10:49 PM

In essence, their inability to limit their gambling activities and restrain their desire to gamble is because what they have in mind is winning, or meaning they have come to make money, so of course it is difficult for them to really find a point to stop, because usually gamblers are already the addiction will only stop when they have exhausted all their money. I would say that gamblers who are addicted are those who when they win will be greedy and when they lose they will chase their losses, so of course there is no stopping other than when they run out of all their money.

We often hear ideas from other people, especially those here, that in any case, before we engage in this activity, we must first know what we are actually doing, especially what and how the activity actually is, especially understanding the overall positive side and the negative, because with this I am sure that it is less likely for them to take various actions outside their control that could potentially harm them.
Once your mind is really that fixated on things then it would really be that something that you would really be needing up at least to look upon whether its ideal or something that wont really be putting you in harm or potential problems. Sometimes people do really get that delusional on the moment that they would really be dealing up with gambling on which on the moment or time that they would be finding themselves having those kind of approach and ideas towards gambling on which they do believe that it is really just that easy to make up some wins or simply doubling their money and would get rich. On the moment or time that you do make yourself having these kind of mindset then you are eventually making yourself that puts up into that potential disaster on which we should really be that needing to look for. This is why it would really be that important that on the moment or time that you do find yourself having this kind of approach or mindset then better to reassess and realize that this couldnt really be that possible all the time. This would really be just that making you desperate on which we know that desperation would really be always leading up to disaster. This is why we should really be that careful and take gambling as form of entertainment and not really be that going after with money making thing because it would really be bringing out such disaster.

In my opinion, it is still quite difficult to really make themselves aware of the mistakes they have made in responding to gambling activities, and maybe I think this is a matter of time, or what I mean is that as time goes by there is a possibility for those who misunderstand what In fact, the gambling activity will be aware of the real facts about gambling, and most likely this will happen when they experience a downturn that really makes it difficult for them to continue living, such as losing a very large amount of money which makes it difficult for them to meet their living needs. .

On the other hand, of course, the biggest mistake is that from the start they don't see and assess the overall nature of the gambling activity, it is very likely that they are interested in getting involved in this activity because they are tempted by the opportunity to win, in which case the scenario could be that this happens because they see a win. The success achieved by other people ultimately makes them tempted to try it, and it is clear that when someone comes with a focus on winning, it is quite difficult to realize the negative impacts of this activity until they end up falling into addiction without realizing it.
154  Economy / Economics / Re: Should there be a limit to investing in your children? on: July 18, 2024, 10:56:53 PM
It is not always good to invest money excessively in the development of your child. I don’t know what it’s like to raise my own children yet, but I have friends who have been raising children for a very long time. 
And they often say something strange to me: you need to live for yourself and not for the sake of your children. I think they mean that many people forget about themselves and do not spend money on themselves, but they need to keep their style and property at a high level.
Pampering children is one of the obligations of parents, but if you do it too much, it's not good because I think when parents pamper their children too much or invest excessive money in their children's development, they are afraid that the child will become dependent. Where many things have to be resolved with their parents, whereas in general it is better for us to be independent. Even though it is their right, there will be a lot of unpleasant talk if they are still dependent on their parents. I myself don't think about depending on my parents even though my parents are rich.

Different people's attitudes are a given, there are people who maintain their own level of style even though sometimes it is forced. And it's natural because I think everyone has an attitude of prestige that has been there since birth. However, the point is that anything done excessively is not good and is not recommended, so limiting everything regularly is something that must be done.
155  Economy / Economics / Re: It's better to invest now than to regret it in a hospital bed. on: July 18, 2024, 09:08:09 PM
It's better to invest now than to regret it in a hospital bed Ture and investing in health is also not about money, well is still number one tho but prevention is better than curing some wise man said like that. So as long you healthy now invest in two thing one in insurance and two invest for yourself avoid high sugar high cholesterol and etc.

I don't have insurance apart from the government but right now I'm trying to control of my body.
However, you need to know that not everyone can invest, even though investment can be said to be important, there are people who already have a stable income but they don't invest and of course that's because they may not be interested or don't know clearly what investment is. However, even though there are people whose income is stable but don't invest, I think they have their own way of maintaining their finances and their economic situation to remain stable, such as saving consistently. Not everyone does investing, but by saving, I think everyone has done it.

It is true that wise people say that prevention is better than cure, therefore apart from the things we do we must pay attention to, but we also need to pay attention to our own health, lest we pursue our desires or needs but that causes our health to decline. Pampering yourself is necessary to reduce mental stress or stress, and taking care of yourself is just as important. And it all depends on us.
156  Economy / Economics / Re: How to improve your condition? on: July 18, 2024, 06:37:20 PM
Time and energy are more valuable than money. A dead-end career costs you life, not just money. Every hour you work is another chip from the old block and won't be returned. Though we all age, losing potential is a pity. Man, you're talented. Do something with them that makes your time count

Like a muscle, your brain needs exercise. Lack of challenge in your career shrinks you. Should you sacrifice mental and emotional growth for a solid paycheck? No way! Risk, experiment. Make money and feed your spirit. Life's too short for ruts. Embrace turmoil, be bold. Show your abilities!
Everything needs to be considered carefully and there must be a balance between each other, firstly we need money to survive with the current circumstances and developments and apart from that we also need to pay attention to time and energy including our health. We must be able to make the best use of our time because we need to remember that time cannot be turned back, so we should be able to make the best use of time and opportunities. Many people regret because they have wasted time and opportunities, but when regret occurs it will not change the situation for the better.

Earning money is a must, but it is not recommended to sacrifice things that are not necessary, such as working without knowing the time, even though it is good, the bad side is that health will be affected and when that happens, of course performance will decrease, including emotionally, which in my opinion is if we lack it. Taking a break may make it easier to get emotional because you do feel tired, but these unstable emotions become very sensitive.
157  Economy / Economics / Re: The Higher the capital the higher the returns on: July 18, 2024, 06:09:16 PM
The hardest thing about wealth is not to earn it for the first time, but to save it. And this task requires a person to be flexible and keep up with the times. Conservatism will lead to decline, because it does not allow you to see new, more profitable opportunities. If a person managed to earn a fortune 30 years ago, but now does not turn to new investment opportunities, then after some time he will simply lose it, because what worked 30 years ago is no longer effective today. This is why I do not believe in the conservatism of rich people (if they remain rich, and have not lost their capital). Conservative people remain where they started, without moving forward.
I agree with that, but getting it is not easy, it requires persistence and hard work as well as a strong determination so that you don't complain easily and then give up. Apart from that, saving it is another challenge and not everyone can do this well, there are people who are not smart in this matter so they experience financial problems. If we keep up with the times, I think it will follow naturally. Even if they politely refuse, I think there will be a strong urge for them to follow developments as time goes by.

When they have an income and are successful, I think there is a definite possibility that they will think about how to manage their finances better, even though there are people who cannot manage their finances well, of course every once in a while they have thoughts about managing their finances better, this must be taken into account because It is indeed impossible for the wealth that has been obtained to last long unless the person was born into a royal family.
158  Economy / Economics / Re: Lessons learned after striving to save money at the age of 30. on: July 18, 2024, 05:40:05 PM
Whether we realize it or not, we will actually continue to gain new insights from every experience we have every day we live. It's just that there are those who really use their time well and there are those who don't. Investing can be in many ways. Whether in finance, insight or exploration to gain experience. But because we focus on financial matters, we must realize that to build good finances it must be based on good self-discipline. Both in work consistency and consistency in financial management. Starting to invest and save must be done as soon as possible when we are aware of the importance of maintaining and building financial stability. And we will start to be grateful one day for being a disciplined person in terms of finances and life.

I agree, but the pattern and technicalities are of course different, one thing is certain that always have an umbrella ready before it rains and everything must be prepared, especially if we are over 50 years old and of course our physical and mental condition will not be as strong as when we are 30 years old, of course.
If you are talking about 50 years old it is time to enjoy the results of your investment journey in life at a young age, it is too heavy to think about investing in old age like that, it will only burden you yourself, investment must be done while we are still prime in working or doing business to enjoy in old age, yes maybe polarization is different but it does not become an excuse if we want a much better old age, yes we must be able to work on what we have to get and collect as financial provisions in old age.
There is no denying that when you reach the age of 40 and above, it is time to enjoy old age, enjoy the results of the hard work you have done when you were young. That's why it's important for us to work hard when we're young so we can enjoy a comfortable old age. Apart from that, it's not just old age, of course even when we're young we want comfort and that can be achieved with hard work, even though there's no certainty, but what's clear is that it should be. We have to work hard to be able to have a comfortable life and also get the results we want. Other people may not require us to be successful, but of course we ourselves have to be aware that if our economic situation is middle to lower, usually the views we get tend to be unpleasant to the heart, so we have to silence those statements by working hard.

Working hard at a young age is a must, currently I don't think many young people or people at a young age can work hard, let alone invest, because they tend to just hang around in their comfort zone, namely their social circle. That's not wrong because each has their own rights, but we have to be able to think about the future because our future is in our own hands.
159  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you understand entertainment? on: July 18, 2024, 11:59:42 AM

Yeah most people that usually gamble for fun are the rich, because they don't actually need the money that much and they are not eager to hit the jackpot. Most time some Rich people feel like they can do alot of things as they are wealthy, but so they always think of things they can't easily control , like for instance gambling which is base on luck, so they will take it as a form of entertainment to while away time , and putting some money on the line make it fun 
Are you sure they don't need the money? They might need the money but they are not desperate for the money and they can live their lives well and happy without the money. Despite that, the winning from gambling taste differently and they will be super excited to hit the jackpot. Everyone love to be successful in whatever they do and that includes the rich gamblers. Therefore, they may not only be gambling for entertainment but to also win money because, like I said before, money from gambling might taste differently to them.

Maybe what @I_Anime above means is that rich people don't really need money, but they know which is the right place to make money and which is the right place to use it as entertainment, that doesn't mean they don't want to win, because no matter what and anyone will. will be happy when they get free money regardless of whether they are rich or not, but what is certain is that rich people do not make gambling a priority to make money but just for entertainment.

On the other hand, Anad said that everyone likes to be successful in whatever they do, and maybe I would say that does not include gambling, because how can you possibly pursue success like chasing and looking for bigger wins somewhere that depends on luck? ? think about this. So as I said before, everyone loves winning, but that doesn't mean they will do various things to pursue victory, rich people know how to manage money, meaning they won't make an activity that depends on luck to make money.
160  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Never gamble in front of your kids. on: July 18, 2024, 11:35:08 AM
Gambling in front of children or gambling openly when you are with your children is the same as you opening the door to various bad disasters in your child's future. I am not saying that this is something that will definitely happen, but if we Talking about possibilities then of course it cannot be denied that it could happen in the future and happen to your children.

On the other hand, I am sure that all parents always want the best for their children and they certainly don't want their children to experience bad things that they don't want. We can see the nature and behavior of someone who is trapped in addiction. Although there is no certainty that your child will become a victim of addiction in the future, it is of course very important to pay attention to this problem as early as possible, one way is if you are. an active gambler and if at any time you want to gamble then try and make sure that you are far from the reach of your children, I am sure that you will always have time for yourself and the children will definitely have their own activities such as studying or sleep, and that's when you can dedicate yourself to gambling.

I agree, because children often imitate their parents and absorb knowledge like a sponge.  They may try to repeat something after their parents without even thinking that it is wrong.  And it’s important not to forget about this, even if we were the same, we just don’t remember ourselves as children.  And why even engage in gambling in front of children?  You can put them to bed and then play casino on your phone.  And children will not see their father's different emotions.

Yes, small children are really like sponges, they don't care about whether it is good or bad, the point is that when they see adults, especially their parents, doing an activity, they will most likely always approach you to see what you are really about. do, especially since this is gambling where I am sure that every gambler will make a certain response or reaction when they experience a loss or win and that is what will make a child feel even more curious about the activities you are doing at that time.

In real life, I think that directing a child to everything that is good and forbidding them from doing or saying things that are not commendable has become a common thing that is done by both parents, especially by a mother who is usually someone who dedicates herself more to taking care of children. her children while her husband works. On the other hand, I think there is absolutely no reasonable reason for gambling in front of children, most likely it is done intentionally because they don't really care about their children, or it could also be because they don't pay attention to various potential bad possibilities. that could happen to their children.
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