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1041  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: January 24, 2024, 05:00:04 PM
Real Madrid's domination is just enormous though. The year is 2024 and they are still competitive in the Champions League as always.  Smiley  They are the most consistent team here. However I wonder whether this can change in the future. Because there is especially a threat like Manchester City for the upcoming years including this one. They became the champions for the first time previously and they are going for a back-to-back now.

What do you think about Real Madrid this season? Can they stop Manchester City from a back-to-back title? Or do you have another favourite in your mind to win the title?
The most interesting fact is all of the favorite teams e.g. Real Madrid, Manchester City, Bayern Munich and Inter Milan are currently not stand in the first position in their respective domestic leagues. I guess it will be unpredictable, but both of Manchester City and Bayern Munich have a big gap points difference, unlike Real Madrid and Inter that are behind one point.

Since I want to see a new name, I hope Inter will become a champion lol.
It is possible that Inter Milan can exceed what they achieved last season, last season they became runners up because they had to lose narrowly to Manchester City, this season they have the opportunity to surpass that and become champions. This season Inter Milan are also playing better than last season, I think we all here feel the same way about the development of the performance of Inter Milan, so that makes them very likely to win the Champions League this season.
But we cannot deny that the journey to get there will be very tough, they have competitors who are no less good, especially big names like Real Madrid who have a very good mentality when in the Champions League.
1042  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: January 24, 2024, 12:21:41 PM
Yes people who have jobs and have weekly or monthly income spend all that income on gambling but in this case they destroy their careers they don't do any unethical things with people. Here are those gamblers who participate in gambling by borrowing from people who are unable to earn money. They become addicted to gambling in such a way that if they do not get money from someone to gamble with, they misbehave with them or commit suicide. And all these gamblers are made up of uneducated people.
It is a mistake if they spend their income to gamble because they will not have any more money and will have difficulty meeting their daily needs. Those who want to gamble should be able to allocate a certain amount of money to be used for gambling so that they still have another amount of money to use for their daily needs. That is to avoid gambling addiction because we know that people who gamble have the possibility of returning to gambling another day. And if they can allocate some money, they won't try to take part of the money for other purposes. They will still have a chance to win from the amount of money allocated for gambling, but when they win, they should immediately stop gambling to avoid things that could make them gamble again. But if they decide to gamble again and lose, it will make them frustrated.
Outcomes and results would really be that determined whether you would really be doing bad or good into the things that you have done. If you do let yourself that being too engaging with
gambling and make those kind of spending on an impulsive manner then expect on what would be the results on which it would really be that negative. If you are really that mindful about those good things and bad things on which it would really be just that right that you should really that know on what to do. You cant really just that make yourself that let to those negative things to happen into your life. There are people who could really be able to make themselves get out and there are ones who do let themselves getting wrecked with it.

It is true, sometimes we can know and conclude whether the person has a good or bad approach to gambling from the final results or what impact they experience, we can see this especially in their current finances, if they often experience problems with their finances such as not being able to meet the costs of their needs then obviously we can conclude that he has a bad approach to his gambling involvement. On the other hand, gamblers who always act impulsively in gambling I believe they are one of the gamblers who misunderstand what is meant by winning opportunities, they think that it is easy to get, when in fact it is very difficult unless they are really in good luck, but still the name of luck will only come occasionally and there is absolutely no consistent element in it. Because they have a wrong understanding of gambling, this really makes them act out of control or act impulsively so that over time the amount of defeat is even greater without them realizing it. So in my opinion for this problem what must be corrected is the mindset, understanding and point of view on gambling by understanding the real facts about gambling, because otherwise this cycle will continue.
1043  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Advice when you are going a bit far in gaming and betting on: January 24, 2024, 11:53:31 AM
It is clear from what you say that all gamblers should have a limited amount to gamble in a casino or online. This is the frequent problem of a gambler, which is why it always leads to big losses in gambling. Those who don't know how much they will lose gambling in a casino.
I think many of them known or have an idea on how much they're going to lose but they just turn their eyes blind when they're already losing.
Ego is hard to beat and recovering is much easier to think of than accepting the big losses that someone might have.
Those that can't track their losses or don't really track at all, many gamblers do that. They're having hard time in figuring out how much budget they will do to gamble.
Understanding our personal self would be an advantage to us since we can do things that would always profit us to earn more. Once we understand ourselves as a gambler, there are some certain decisions that we don't have to neglect because they could help us become a better gambler. Ego have destroyed man to people due to there over confidence that they are going to make so much money in a particular bet. Once we understand what to do and how to do it, it would strengthen us to achieve more when we bet because we can always make profits when things falls to our fall when have gain superb experience.

Honestly I'm not too sure if indeed by understanding ourselves it will be able to make us make a lot of money in gambling, you need to be more assertive in the direction of which advice you give and in my opinion what you say is more directed at preventive measures or to minimize all possible risks so that they are not too significant, in gambling any result can occur and not just victory, Even as we know that the percentage of risk is much greater than the possibility of winning opportunities, and there is a lot of evidence that most gamblers lose more than win, I understand that it is because they cannot understand themselves which ultimately makes it difficult for them to reach a point of awareness when the situation is getting hot and this is usually what makes gamblers take actions beyond their abilities which ultimately have an impact on the number of losses that are getting bigger.

For the ego problem, yes I agree with you that this can make the situation even worse when someone is too confident that he can get a win, as I said above that they seem to override consciousness, whereas this would be very useful to remember the fact that gambling is just a game of probability that does not have any certainty for the final result, in my opinion all this is because of the hope they put on winning.
1044  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? on: January 24, 2024, 11:21:21 AM
If someone is forcing you to bet, then it's really valid to blame them but it's really up to you if you will follow them, right? but if we are talking about the person who introduced you to gambling, you don't have to blame them if you have any bad experience because they didn't force you to do that thing. Becoming addicted to gambling is your own decision so you only have yourself to blame for it.

Sometimes many people learn gambling from friends. I think gambling on your own will lead to some problems and if you start gambling on the advice of others, you may face many problems. If you waste extra time in gambling.  If you want to gamble you can gradually get addicted to gambling. So I think it is best if you stay away from this game as much as you can and enjoy gambling during good weekdays.

Right, I think these days most of the new gamblers who come in they start their involvement by learning about gambling from some of their friends who have already learned about gambling, I think whether you gamble because of your own will or on the advice and invitation of your friends still for the problem of possible adverse effects that will occur is the same, meaning that you still have the possibility to suffer adverse effects if you have the wrong approach to gambling, meaning that it cannot be denied that there will always be a possibility for you to end up with addiction.

On the other hand I have experienced a situation like this where one of my friends who has never gambled at all he asked me to teach gambling with easy adaptation steps such as how to deposit and make withdrawals along with how to play, honestly it is a confusing situation for me, logically if I don't teach it then there will be a bad impression in the sense that he will think that I don't have good solidarity in a friendship relationship until I don't want to teach him how to gamble. but on the other hand what I think is, first I am afraid that he will experience the bad effects of gambling even though on the other hand I give very good directions, and of course in the end it is very possible to end up blaming me when he experiences a downturn, But on the other hand what I think is, first I am afraid that he will experience the bad effects of gambling even though on the other hand I provide very good direction, and of course in the end it is very possible for him to end up blaming me when he experiences a downturn or defeat, even though basically he himself asked me to teach him but still "blaming me for the losses he experienced someday" is possible, and at that time I prefer to refuse and change the conversation to take his mind off gambling.
1045  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What You will do in this situation? on: January 24, 2024, 11:00:36 AM
To be honest, both slots and soccer game are games of luck, I just like that the casino isn't in control of the soccer matches, it depends on the performance of the footballers, this make it feels more exciting compare to Slots games that's from casinos, provably fair? We really can't say.

@Nrcewker, you consider sports betting a game of skill, are you the one playing on the field? That's a no, so you can't call this a game of skill if you are not the one in total control, can you count how many times your favourite sport club have disappoint you?

Ask yourself why it's then very hard to win when betting on sports? I know not one but more people that have been betting on sports for years, since college days and they don't make any significant amount that could do anything life changing for them, it's completely a game of luck still.

Slots are game of luck, random and script. But soccer or sports are games of skill and a lot depends from the situation. To play slots, you dont need any special skill to have, you dont need any special chair to sit on for example, special mouse or finger to click on spin. With sports it is different, gambler might have special skills to evaluate situation on the field, predict possibility of a goal in football for example, if one of the teams are pushing. I might say that slots is more simple way of gambling, while sports betting require attention, concentration at least. So in situation like OP has, when someone is gambling lightly, going and trying to drag into more complicated gambling, might be not the best.

What you say is exactly right buddy, it is true that this slot is a type of game that is purely about luck, there is absolutely nothing like a way or strategy that can make you win because for the problem of winning there always depends on how lucky you are at that time, as you say there is absolutely no skill needed and gamblers can only surrender and wait for what the results are at the end of the session, so gambling with the aim of having fun and relieving boredom in the middle of leisure time is really more advisable if you are involved in this type of gambling like slots.

There is obviously a difference between slot gambling and sports betting, you have said what is needed if you are involved in sports betting, knowledge, understanding and also skills are very useful for analyzing a team that will / is competing, but honestly in sports betting I will not rule out the aspect of luck because in any gambling luck is still very important to determine the final result, even though for example you have very good knowledge and skills but still you will not be able to predict who will win at the end of the match with 100% accuracy, of course anything is still very possible there.
1046  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: January 24, 2024, 10:30:31 AM
This question really sounds ridiculous, is gambling a job? Please it's very wrong to treat gambling as a job, because by doing so, all your hopes and attention will be on it, and it's just a matter of time that you get addicted, which to me is the end game of every gambler.
One thing I have observed about gambling is that, when you make it as your source of income, it put you in a very difficult situation whereby you start chasing, and when you start chasing, that when you lose more, it's really wrong to think you can make a  career out of gambling, the only thing you will achieve by that is to get addicted, nothing more.
Not really, because there are people who try to make gambling their job, and they think that gambling is something they should prioritize. They will gamble more often and will use more money even though that doesn't guarantee they can win. Yes, they can become addicted because they often gamble, and it will be risky for them, so they should rethink making gambling their job. There are still many other things that can be used as their work and they can still look for jobs that can make money. It will be better for them because they can get a good career in their job so they can earn more money. Those who want to make a career in gambling can think about becoming an employee at a casino so that it can provide income for them.

Yes that's right, and people who make gambling as a place to earn are those who have absolutely no correct understanding of gambling, or have a misunderstanding of what exactly the chances of winning are there, they think that the chances of winning are greater than the risk of losing when in fact it is the opposite, people who try to make gambling a place to earn will usually suffer a lot of downturns, instead of earning income but the opposite happens where they run out of a lot of money slowly and unknowingly due to the many experiments they do just for the sake of pursuing something uncertain.

On the other hand, I am sure that if one day they calculate the number of wins with the number of losses they have  experienced then the number of losses will definitely be greater and maybe you will also agree with this idea if you understand what gambling really is, the randomness that determines the results makes it difficult for us to win. and after all, this is business for the casino, which means it really doesn't make sense if we as gamblers come with the intention of earning, this violates the rules set by the casino where a gambler will get two things at the end of the session, namely either winning or losing and another reason is that there is absolutely no element of consistency in the final winning result, this will only happen occasionally. As you said and it is true, it is better for us to look for a job that is certain - of course one that promises to produce results, this is better.
1047  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you blame someone for your gambling losses? on: January 23, 2024, 12:41:45 PM
We should not blame anyone for the loss that occurs during bets since it's something decided by an individual, not by another one who forces them to keep gambling and lose money that is actually needed for something else. If someone is forcing you to bet even against your will then its a crime and you won't actually blame them because you were compelled to obey the person for some reason.

If someone is forcing you to bet, then it's really valid to blame them but it's really up to you if you will follow them, right? but if we are talking about the person who introduced you to gambling, you don't have to blame them if you have any bad experience because they didn't force you to do that thing. Becoming addicted to gambling is your own decision so you only have yourself to blame for it.

Well the logic is like that, as you said that if someone else forces us to gamble or follow some methods or strategies that he suggests and then it turns out that the end result is not at all what was promised in the sense of losing then obviously I think it is natural to blame others especially if they force us, but if they are just saying and not at all forcing you to try it then obviously it is ridiculous if you lose then you blame them, after all all all decisions come out of yourself and of your own accord.

We are mature enough to be able to distinguish between good and bad and therefore we should be able to consider every suggestion or invitation that comes in, you need to question everything from many sides to the person who offers or introduces gambling to you, I am sure that they only focus on introducing the winnings but not really explaining the possible risks, And I think it's your job to question what's behind the chance of winning, I mean you should also ask if there are possible risks or not, and if it turns out that you already know about it then of course it's all up to you and it's the fault of your own decision if it turns out that later you experience a lot of bad effects.
1048  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do i handle my first gambling experience on: January 23, 2024, 12:07:48 PM
First of all I would like to say start with small amount when you are doing your first attempt on gambling. And choose the games where you are skilled it can be casino games or the sports betting. And then make start with small wager. Set a leave it for your first winning or loss like the limit will break the gambling for that day. And do not let the greed that awakens inside your mind grow

Yup, It's very advisable to spend at least minimum amount only on your first try game because there's a huge possibility that you will get the winning amount, not all the time but still always spend small amount and try to allocate that amount for the rest of your gambling session. You just have to limit yourself and your finances so that you will never experience any losses and huge debt in the future.

It is good and indeed highly recommended, but honestly I would advise you to do it continuously, or I mean always use a small budget amount when you want to gamble, none other than because it will make you a responsible gambler, or I mean with a small amount then this will make you not feel upset or disappointed when you finally lose. In gambling the budget amount is not at all to make you win or get closer to winning but this approach is more of a precautionary measure so that if you lose you don't suffer too big a loss. As we know that in gambling there is absolutely no certainty and any guarantee for the final result, especially victory and therefore putting a small budget amount is the recommended idea, and also in addition to the right understanding along with self-awareness really must be maintained, do not let you be careless in making decisions just because you see something that seems tempting because it is very likely that it is just a temptation.
1049  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A brief advice for the newbie gamblers. on: January 23, 2024, 11:48:51 AM
Gambling discipline should really be practiced so that people won't fall into addiction. It's common for people to fall into the trap of having bad gambling habits because oftentimes, they get past through their set boundaries. They keep on saying "just this time, it won't happen again" or "one last time" so they can ease their guilt. But little did they know that they have been going out of their limitation for a long time that it starts to harm their fund and time allocation, as well as their behavior. Once it becomes a continuous act, it becomes a habit that can be hard to eliminate. Hence, it's essential to watch over yourself to avoid this from happening.

Self control and discipline works together and all newbies picking interest in gambling need to have them. Self control and discipline can be learnt, it takes time but as you continue practicing them they'll become a part of your life and you would practise them without knowing. When you have self control and you're a disciplined gambler, you won't get addicted to gambling as you'll be watchful of how you're gambling and not gambling uncontrollably like most individuals.

Newbies shouldn't think that gambling is an easy way to make money as they'll be disappointed with the results but instead become addicted to gambling as they'll always try to win back their losses when gambling but revenge gambling doesn't work as you'll keep losing money instead of making money. Newbies should consider gamble as a form of entertainment and they won't be disappointed when they don't win.

Beginners are one of the stages of gamblers who are usually vulnerable to various temptations that come and this stage will also determine what their approach to gambling will be like and the impact that will befall them, and of course this means as you said that self-control along with some limits are really recommended and must be owned by every beginner. I know it's not easy to make it a habit but I don't think there's any other reason if you want to be a safe gambler because by continuing to do it you're obviously saying that over time they'll get used to it, which will make you less likely to get addicted.

Well rightly so, the idea of gambling to earn is indeed carried more in the mindset of beginners when they come, not least because it seems that the reason they come and get involved is because they see some big wins achieved by others or some of their friends so that indirectly it encourages them to gamble to get the same victory. The lack of understanding about gambling actually makes a person gamble on the wrong path which in the end as you said that they will even suffer a number of significant losses, after all gambling is just a game of chance, there is no certainty and guarantee of anything so this is the reason why we should not make gambling a place to earn.
1050  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What You will do in this situation? on: January 23, 2024, 11:16:40 AM
A few days ago, my house was being cleaned. Three people are cleaning the front and back yards of the house. One of them was playing slots and I saw him. Actually, I wanted to suggest he try sports betting because I often see the guy watching football matches and he does have knowledge about many teams. So I was wondering if I could introduce him to sports betting so he could use his ability to predict every game he knows about.

Besides that, I just feel that if he deposited $10 = IDR 150,000 into a gambling site just to play slots, he would probably suffer a complete loss. But if he can place bets on sports betting, there is a possibility of him winning some money on small bets. Wouldn't that be an advantage for him?

If you were in this situation, what would you do? Introduce him to sports betting or let him stick to playing slots. Yesterday, I just let it go but we still often meet at other activities.

This type of online gambling like this slot has an algorithm that is very difficult to conquer, the randomness in it often makes someone always get the final result that does not match what he wants, but besides that, on the other hand, the slot also has something that looks very tempting because in this type of gambling there is such a thing as maximum winnings, especially in games that are in pragmatic, I have one friend who is also quite active in online gambling, especially this slot and one of the reasons he often gambles is that he wants to feel the maximum winnings which are quite large but that is the wrong mindset that gamblers have.

It is not at all advisable for gamblers to put their hopes on winning especially if you are involved in types of gambling such as slots, and if I were in the OP's position I would probably approach the person and advise him to switch to sports betting only if he really has knowledge in this field, because obviously as we know that with knowledge and skills, it will be able to get closer to victory, such as combining skills with luck to get pretty good results. With this, I think they will not suffer too much from the number of large defeats as always happens in the type of slot gambling because in sports knowledge and skills can help them to get a little closer to victory, but of course risk management must still be applied because after all this is still a form of gambling that always has risks.
1051  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: January 23, 2024, 10:46:28 AM

I'm not so sure that you can win at a casino all the time, even with the best discipline in the world. The casino has a lot of games in which little depends on you, and you have to rely only on luck, in which case I am almost sure that in this case the casino will win more often, because the player will need to fight with his emotions, and the casino will just wait. I’m not sure that the words career and gambling can be correlated with each other, gambling is entertainment, and a career can be built at work, the difference here is quite significant.

One of the reasons is because after all gambling has no certainty and guarantee to always manage to get a win, this is nothing more than a profit - profit activity that involves risk which means if you are lucky then you will win but if in the session you do absolutely no luck then obviously the result you will lose again, and also on the other hand it is very difficult to be able to get lucky in a row and this is the reason why we gamblers always lose more often than win. Gambling is a business for casinos/brokers to make a profit and how can you get a lot of winnings while on the other hand the bookie creates gambling just to benefit them? this is the big question and here is also the logical reason why gambling is called an activity for profit.

On the other hand, it is clear that it is the casinos that manage everything, they decide who wins and who will lose, and if you lose more often then that means you are one of the people who are victims of the casinos for the profits they get. Therefore this is why we must always have good risk management in gambling, because otherwise you will only waste money and time, and this is also the reason why we should make gambling an entertainment activity to fill spare time or boredom.

A successful gambler who possesses such qualities as risk management and self-control may be able to get along with gambling challenges without failing in the process. It seems very difficult to achieve the goal of becoming a successful gambler, but it's possible. Especially in the offline settings. Not sure for the online users who have many disadvantages as false provably fair. Who still has to depend on the house edge for everything. Coupled with the fact that no compliments are offered to the players. Even if gambling has not certainty the player who belongs to a comp club may be certain of his comp points being able to cover for some of his bills in the casino hotel.

He'll only have to bother about his bankroll and how it may suit the house edge. That way the gambler wouldn't have a hard time gambling for a long duration. However, it's a boring career, gambling every day without any other activity the person gets doing. Sure, there is nothing as profits, but one can earn few moneys, before he gets a big win. It's hard for a gambler who participates often not to get a win. The trouble with it, is battling with compulsiveness and managing the money meant for gambling. If one is able to take care of all that, he may not fail as a professional gambler.

I think that even though they are one of the successful gamblers in the sense of professionals who have good risk control and management, they will still not be able to fully overcome the possible risks that are very likely to occur, but they have a better approach than some other gamblers, especially gamblers who always act aggressively, which means that it will be able to make them a little avoid the possibility of excessive risk. On the other hand it's obviously very difficult to be a successful gambler and I think it's a pretty impossible thing for gamblers to achieve because there's absolutely no element of success in gambling to win a lot of money to become a rich man for example because you've also said that there's absolutely no certainty and guarantee of anything which means there's absolutely no consistent results in gambling winnings, it will only happen occasionally when you're lucky.

Yes that's right, financial management in any case is very important especially in gambling involvement, they must be able to maintain their awareness and self-control so as not to be easily tempted by things that look tempting because if not then obviously one of the impacts is that their gambling session will not last long because it is likely that they can increase the amount of bets when they see the temptation in their gambling session. But the problem is that you have also mentioned that it is not easy to manage ourselves in gambling engagements, most gamblers are tempted and fall into the wrong path until finally they only spin on the cycle of chasing wins to break even.
1052  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: January 22, 2024, 02:05:54 PM
Greed is one reason why one will continue to loose even while others are winning, been greedy and desperate to win especially big amounts, jackpots and the likes of it, is one reason most persons lose their funds all to gambling while some other persons out there on a daily basis are winning more often than others are winning.

If one can be more careful to limiting their picks to a few ones and not hunting or piling up big odds with accumulator, its very possible for such a person to win almost all the time but most times greed will not let you want to be patient enough going through such process but will make you think you can be too Smarter than the casino and get it all at ones because you have got a good idea what the possible outcome of most games could be so why not just pile up all the games and stay at the odds advantage and win big, that's how the mind tricks you into losses.
I'm not so sure that you can win at a casino all the time, even with the best discipline in the world. The casino has a lot of games in which little depends on you, and you have to rely only on luck, in which case I am almost sure that in this case the casino will win more often, because the player will need to fight with his emotions, and the casino will just wait. I’m not sure that the words career and gambling can be correlated with each other, gambling is entertainment, and a career can be built at work, the difference here is quite significant.

One of the reasons is because after all gambling has no certainty and guarantee to always manage to get a win, this is nothing more than a profit - profit activity that involves risk which means if you are lucky then you will win but if in the session you do absolutely no luck then obviously the result you will lose again, and also on the other hand it is very difficult to be able to get lucky in a row and this is the reason why we gamblers always lose more often than win. Gambling is a business for casinos/brokers to make a profit and how can you get a lot of winnings while on the other hand the bookie creates gambling just to benefit them? this is the big question and here is also the logical reason why gambling is called an activity for profit.

On the other hand, it is clear that it is the casinos that manage everything, they decide who wins and who will lose, and if you lose more often then that means you are one of the people who are victims of the casinos for the profits they get. Therefore this is why we must always have good risk management in gambling, because otherwise you will only waste money and time, and this is also the reason why we should make gambling an entertainment activity to fill spare time or boredom.
1053  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: While placing bet what comes your mind on: January 22, 2024, 01:47:14 PM
Yesterday was trying to place bet and during the process something in me keeps telling me to increase your wager do you know if you would hit something you never won before.. I was like is this how other people are being controlled by gambling or is it how it works? I said, no wonder some people gamble and finishes their allocation for the week or month. This can even lead someone to also go borrow if this feeling is not killed and stop, you can also see that this attributes in gambling addiction.

I think such feelings are no longer strange if they arise when you are running a session, but in my opinion it depends quite a lot, I mean depending on what exactly your goal is to come to gamble, feelings like that must be there but it depends on you, if indeed your goal is to gamble in order to get a number of wins then it seems like there is a great potential for you to be influenced by such feelings that end up being tempted and do it, even though it is nothing more than a temptation that arises because of the hope in you so that it indirectly creates an illusion in the mind that seems to encourage yourself to try to increase the amount of bets.

I think the point of the problem is in the purpose of your arrival, because this is very much related to the expectations that exist within themselves for an end result that is in accordance with what is desired and also on the other hand this is the feeling that addicts have where they always think and feel confident that there seems to be success in getting a big win if they increase the amount of bets. when in fact all of that is nothing more than a temptation that will only trap themselves in the end result which is usually disappointing, which is why it is always not recommended to put hope in gambling.
1054  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: January 22, 2024, 01:15:08 PM
When you are a player like Mbappe, a good, even great player but with a great team and end up winning the world cup at very very early age, even before you win UCL, you sort of think that World Cup is great, but it is not as special as some other players make it out to be, because you won it when you were like what 19-20 years old? It doesn't feel like it's that important, you do not grasp the value of winning something like that properly, even though he is probably aware how much it worths, he can't fully understand it like Messi can.

Messi won EVERYTHING before he won world cup, that dude has won everything he could ever win, he was the best player for a whole decade, even more, and of course when he finally won the world cup after winning everything else, that must have felt a lot better.

Been the best player for over a decade? I would say that you exaggerated 10 times, but I’m not at all sure that there was a year in which Messi was the best. Messi is a PR project that stole all the achievements of such players as Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Puyol, etc.
And it’s always funny for me to read how Messi fanboys praise him for something (for example the World Cup) but in the case of other players (for example Mbappe, Iniesta, Xavi, etc.) these same achievements are suddenly not so important  Grin
I prefer to say he is one of the best players who can last for a decade or more. I agree that saying he was the best player in a whole decade is an exaggeration, I mean many other players also played well during that decade, one of them is Cristiano Ronaldo, so it's more accurate to just say one of the best players.
He has got it all now, most recently he was able to win the World Cup title which is a complement to everything he has achieved and the most was when he was at Barcelona. One thing that many people say is Messi's weakness, yes, many of them say that Messi is only good at playing at one club, namely Barcelona, while for other clubs he cannot meet the expectations placed on him. But that's just a difference of perspective in my opinion.
1055  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: January 22, 2024, 01:00:38 PM
I agree with you that Ligue 1 cannot be a benchmark to see how Paris Saint Germain performs, because in terms of quality they are far superior to other clubs here. I prefer to measure their performance in the Champions League, because there they have competitors who are even better than them.
The competitive level of a league is very influential, and we can see that from Paris Saint Germain. They can be said to be the only candidate in Ligue 1, so it is not surprising that they have such high dominance. We'll see when they were in the Champions League, they were like an ordinary club and had no special features apart from star players, which this season they no longer have because two of them have left. Not to belittle, but that's what happened.

I agree with you. Just how strong PSG are this season  cannot be gauged just by  looking at their performances  in Ligue 1 matches. Because  Ligue 1 teams are much weaker than PSG. So in almost every match PSG players are able to perform very well, and win.

We haven't had a better  performance than PSG in Champions  League group stage matches. They were lucky so the team qualified for the round of 16. However, PSg's overall performance seems to be somewhat stable now. But whether they can do well in the Champions League is not certain. I don't even consider PSG as favorites for the Champions League title.
no one can guarantee that, because their track record in the Champions League is not very flashy and even as one of the clubs that is considered a giant they have never won a title until now, so it is natural that they always make the Champions League their main priority. At the time they still had 3 labeled stars, they couldn't show anything extraordinary, now those players are gone, so I really doubt they will be able to get further in the Champions League this season.
I don't see them being more stable this season, it's just that their internal problems have now subsided unlike previous seasons. Their coach has to work hard to be able to talk a lot in the Champions League, because their opponents are no longer clubs at the Ligue 1 level, but the clubs that are their competitors are clubs that can provide something special.
1056  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀-Sportsbet.io-🚀 Official Partner of Newcastle United Football Club on: January 22, 2024, 12:41:03 PM
Not sure if anybody watched the game but very impressive performance by Liverpool today at Bournemouth. I didn’t expect it to be as easy as 4-0 as believe it or not, in recent times, Bournemouth are the form team in the PL.

We open up a 5 point lead at the top of the PL but there are still so many games to play. Man City will not go away easily and Arsenal are still right there.

I’ll enjoy the rest of the weekend and look forward to the EFL Cup semi final 2nd leg on Wednesday. All our injured players are coming back soon and Salah will be back from AFCON too. It’s nice to be in a title race again.
Liverpool managed to steal the full 3 points with a landslide score too, they managed to answer the doubts of some people who previously questioned M Salah's absence in the squad. The key to their game was in the second half, because in the first half they were not very effective in building attacks. Every time they came out to attack, that many times they found themselves deadlocked and had to end the first half without being able to establish a lead.
However, in the second half they were able to play more effectively, opened by Nunez's goal in the 49th minute. In my opinion, this was a goal that ultimately made Liverpool's self-confidence even better. On the other hand, this goal was a goal that made Bournemouth lose concentration, which in the end made Liverpool can score the next goal.
1057  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: January 22, 2024, 12:23:38 PM
2-0 after a few minutes Vlhavic scored his second goal.

He is also no second in the scorers' leaderboard.

This way we dont move away from our enemy Inter and remain stuck at -2
This is important, it makes Inter understand that they cant make mistakes otherwise we are very ready to take advantage of it and overtake!
ahah we are here
Now Juventus is at the top of the standings and has succeeded in overtaking Inter Milan, but Inter Milan still has 1 match and if they can secure victory then they will be able to regain their previous position which is now occupied by Juventus.
Juventus' victory was already predicted, because the club they faced was not a very strong club. However, it seems that this week several leagues have seen their favorite clubs not being able to score goals in the first half and that also happened to Juventus. In the second half they appeared more agressive because they knew that if they played like the first half it would benefit Lecce because their strategy in the first half could be matched by Lecce, at least Lecce could defend well. They didn't miss it in the second 45 minutes and managed to score 3 goals and managed to take home full points.
1058  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: January 22, 2024, 12:07:33 PM
A team that I consider a favourite today may perform poorly after a while or my favourite player may change. Also, since I have personal freedom, I can keep any club I want on my favourite list. If a team is good I will definitely support it. I'm also not in favour of supporting a team emotionally while people enjoy the game and are there for entertainment. I think my own preferences may change over time. No team should be emotionally supported for entertainment or betting purposes.
This is also what I do, I analyze and determine who will win because I will also include it in my betting list. If later it causes me to lose, that is the risk of a bet that must be prepared to lose. IN the Champions League I am always neutral and judge based on their overall performance, apart from that I will look at the mentality of a club. Because I see in the Champions League the mentality of being one who takes part in the results that the club will get in the future. Because usually a club with a high mentality will be more comfortable in playing, and in a game comfort is something that can bring victory.
Manchester City, Real Madrid are the 2 favorites, Inter Milan is also in my category, apart from that a club like Bayern Munich is also actually one of them, but I personally put a smaller chance.
1059  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: January 22, 2024, 11:51:55 AM

Ligue One are birthright trophies to Paris Saint-Germain, they continue to win matches without having a solid trace of weakness. The Ligue One title, we're acquainted with the club that will take it home and they're clawing for bigger major trophies. It's time PSG upgrade their game to standards, no story but actions speaks. Paris Saint-Germain are strong enough to withstand the heavy pressure exerted on their path but it will definitely take lengthy period of time before things finally get in shape. Luis Enrique just have to put more hardwork to ensure things get better for the club.

Ligue One cannot be a benchmark for PSG for their performance and their quality. This is because Ligue 1 has been theirs until now. There is no team that can be compared in Ligue One. If PSG want to see their quality then I think the Champions League is the answer. If they are able to compete all the way to the semifinals then we can say that PSG's level is the same as other strong European teams such as Madrid, City and Arsenal.
I agree with you that Ligue 1 cannot be a benchmark to see how Paris Saint Germain performs, because in terms of quality they are far superior to other clubs here. I prefer to measure their performance in the Champions League, because there they have competitors who are even better than them.
The competitive level of a league is very influential, and we can see that from Paris Saint Germain. They can be said to be the only candidate in Ligue 1, so it is not surprising that they have such high dominance. We'll see when they were in the Champions League, they were like an ordinary club and had no special features apart from star players, which this season they no longer have because two of them have left. Not to belittle, but that's what happened.
1060  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: January 22, 2024, 11:36:13 AM
It was really unexpected that Bayern Munich lost this match for many were expecting them to win because they are in a crucial situation right now and for sure because it is another loss and this time to a team that is in the 13th position, this is really now unbelievable for Bayern Munich to tie or even win against Leverkusen for sure it seems that the Strategy for Bayern Munich is not really enough or going anywhere Thomas Tuchel seems to having a struggle on how he can get back from this kind of lost,

Unexpected win in matches is what makes it more interesting to watch and keep anticipating for the next one to come. Yesterdays loss will still be a shocking loss to Bayern Munich as they would have never expected that a team that is on 13th position will stop them from getting all full three points in the match. With one more match for Bayern to complete their number of matches as same as that of Bayern Leverkusen; even though they win the match, they will still be behind Leverkusen with four points difference. Bayern Leverkusen will be in joy now to see their closest rival losing points as the season is getting furthered. I just hope they make very good use of this opportunity to maintain the point gap between them. It will be of help very soon for them when things get tougher towards the end of the season.
I don't think anyone thought that Bayern Munich would lose in this match, how is it possible that with the superior quality they have and playing at home they can lose like this? this is very surprising. They attacked throughout the match, but none of the opportunities they created resulted in a goal. On the other hand, Bremen, which only relied on counter attacks, was able to use it very well and managed to score 1 goal which was the only goal scored in this match.
This result is a result that Leverkusen has been eagerly awaiting, yes with this result they are now more comfortable at the top of the standings because their points gap is now widening. However, Leverkusen cannot be complacent considering that there is still a long way to go in the competition, they must maximize the advantages they now have as best as possible.
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