It was 'full of garbage and idiots', it was 'tiresome at times' and 'disorderly' but all of those are simply opinions that vary member to member. The thread was locked because these opinions made it to the eyes of the admin one time too often. A hands off approach by a new moderator will land us in the same boat. The forum was locked because too many off-topic posts were being reported, quite possibly to cause disruption. This was possible because the open-topic nature of the thread was never properly addressed with respect to the on-topic rule. As for garbage and idiocy, those have never been criteria for deletion on this forum. One can live the life of Stig of the Dump here, so long as it is topical. So what is really being argued there is to merely shift trash from one forum receptacle to another. |
|
|
|
Here's to a new era in the thread's history. Let's see what this one brings, from Ediacaran oddity to Cambrian expressiveness.  |
|
|
|
Infofront tomorrow   |
|
|
|
I just hope you don't get any stylistic trainings .. or heading too much in that direction... I was thinking about nested quotes - wouldn't it be better if they were collapsible? The first level would be expanded by default and all higher levels collapsed. If a person needed extra context, they would hit a button or link to expand those higher levels. This could be achieved with simple CSS. |
|
|
|
Quantum computing update: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/quantum-computers-are-about-get-realTL;DR: 50 qubit quantum computer available commercially within a few years. Small versions (5 qubits) available to public via web access already. 16 qubit version available to beta test now. These are real quantum computers too - not just quantum annealing thingies like D-Wave sells. If this computer can be scaled up, though, Which has proven rather difficult afaik. Not saying it won't happen, but claiming you're going to produce 50 qubits commercially in a few years when you don't have anything close to a working prototype seems optimistic. |
|
|
|
If I end up with this thread I would... Sounds good to me (except killing the Monkey, chap would be a vote-winner with the ladies). |
|
|
|
when you use bitcoin price for analysis it is meaningful like that link
when you use bitcoin market cap then it is still meaningful but a little less
when you use altcoins' market cap you are decreasing the meaningfulness of your chart. and at some point it becomes useless.
market cap on its own should not even be used for analysis. and when you add coins like ether with 72+ million coins premined, ripple with billions coins locked away and all the smaller coins with billions and billions of coins that are contributing to the total market cap you are adding false data to your analysis.
The chart appears to be using cap by circulating supply rather than total supply. The billions in XRP therefore don't make any difference. As for pre-mining, the ability of this practice to inflate cap is limited to withholding supply from the free market at the expense of potential gains. This is easier when the sale is more secretive and restrictive, so that a single entity controls most coins, or several entities can collude. |
|
|
|
hahahahaha..
Better to be feared than loved.
There are several good candidates in the running - and probably any one of them would be acceptable and relatively tolerant to preserve the thread's seemingly laissez faire culture and history..
It is one thing talking in theory about no moderation or that someone is a tyrant... but when push comes to shove, it is likely that some posts need to be deleted to facilitate participation - at least in the shill account arena .. and also possibly in the arena that seems to be a pattern of purposefully spreading disinformation and/or seeming to purposefully engage in a means that diverts from the topic with a kind of ongoing trolling that also may have a tendency to purposefully and knowingly spread FUD.. ..
tough to figure out the line, exactly.. and maybe sometimes moderators go too far - but hopefully we end up getting a moderator who is tolerant and errors on the side of allowing post unless they are really obvious in the troll/shill category.
Yeah, some amount of moderation is unavoidable I think otherwise some bright spark is bound to flood it with countless pages of random characters. As for Lauda, he is a controversial figure. He was booted from the mod team after being involved in extortion on the forum. This is not the background I personally want for somebody who's modding the Wall thread. |
|
|
|
|
I haven't seen a statement from you, Lauda, on how you'd moderate the thread. Do you plan to impose on-topic?
|
|
|
|
I'm happy to carry on using this one.
** Edit: I don't see why we need to be moderated or moved to the off-topic section. The Wall Observer thread is well known for it's off topic and off the wall comments. It also well known as the most viewed and posted thread in the Speculation section (and possibly the entire forum).
The title says (Unmoderated) - Most people seem to like it. If anyone finds that hard to accept, then let them post in a different thread. There's probably been a temporary relaxing of the rules towards these threads until the original one is restored. Without any explicit grant of immunity from Theymos, you definitely shouldn't assume this thread has a future. Also, you pretty much have what you're asking for if you voted for one of the guys who promises light-touch moderation - I mean infofront is one of the freaking candidates. |
|
|
|
I recently withdrew fiat to my bank, for the first time @coinfloor. Appeared within 3rd business day. Nice.
Hey, thanks for the update. Good to hear it's working for you now. |
|
|
|
I love BTC and have what I believe to be a nice healthy stash. However, to suggest that the property market might crash seems a little bit optimistic to me. I also live in the U.K. And had a property that I sold sometime back and now wish I had held on to it since it value has since tripled from when I sold it. Everyone needs a place to live so I believe that there will always be a demand for property. Only scenario I envisage where property wont be needed is if there is a mass exodus from said country and I just can't see that happening in the U.K. Within the immediate future anyway.
Returns are, for the moment anyway, far better in BTC but the volatility of it makes me quite nervous at times.
Anyway, best of luck whatever you decide and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Demand by itself doesn't mean much if you can't afford something. If there were a credit crunch, prices would drop, as few can afford a house without a mortgage. Get the Lite to the Moon!!
Gotta say, the chikun is the most interesting thing I've seen for a month. |
|
|
|
|
Great tuts man. Had no idea you could use transparent colour for fixing the table glitch. I'd been using non-breaking ASCII space (alt+255 or %A0), but that wasn't retained when editing posts.
|
|
|
|
yefi - "I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though"
I'm going to bow out and pledge my support for lightfoot, infofront, arklan, Erkallys and empowering. |
|
|
|
If the thread's going to be restricted to member rank, I think another poll needs to be run on that. I'd probably be ok with the cut-off at full member. P.S.: Also, some organization is great but let's just take into account that we are not electing the next Pope  It does seem like trying to give a grandness to proceedings where there is none. So I created a Telegram group and PMd all you five. Now I will wait for you all to come so that we can discuss there.
Thank you for the invitation, but I'd rather not join a private group. If you're going to formalize some moderation policy for WO I think you have to base its values on those of its members. Maybe along the lines of: If a post is funny, informative, intelligent or interesting it should never be removed unless it meets the subjective test of being sufficiently hateful, disgusting, misinformative or disruptive by the members of the WO.
The moderators seek to act in the consensus of the WO by making judgments on behalf of its members. |
|
|
|
If you add yourself, bitserve, then that is six volunteers.
Maybe this group could share the job.
If a vote is needed (and it looks like option 1 is winning) then maybe the group stand as one entity and the vote can be opened up to anyone else who wants to stand against it, or anyone within the group who would rather stand alone, of course?
We can have a chat about some essential agreement on how we would moderate collectively - which we could publish (and then how we organise any rota, so there would not be too many moderating at the same time).
Also a loose system for sorting out any disagreements on collective policy / replacing a mod with a new one if needs be over time (majority vote of existing mods?).
If option one allows for a group to moderate the thread, I'd be happy to be a part as long as the permissive spirit of the thread is upheld. If option one doesn't allow for a group, then I was thinking the OP could employ a mod bot. Select members could pm the bot with a #postid to report or remove content. The OP could limit or revoke this right for a user if they were abusing it. Ironically I am sort of suspicious of anyone who would want to be 'The Candidate' as I have a distrust of anyone who seeks power, because they are usually just the sort of person who I don't want to have it.
That's part of the problem. Those best able to moderate may not wish to seek approval. I'd put forward a number of people like Elwar, Gentlemand, etc... |
|
|
|
Now is the time for someone to step up. Candidates required to be the new Adam... If we find a Mod we can put forward, we get our thread back
I think we can assume that all OPs of offshoot Wall Observers would be candidates. I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though. |
|
|
|
Yes a financial collapse is what instigated the birth of Bitcoin. If there's another one I expect Bitcoin to go parabolic because the next time the banks won't get bailed out by governments, they will bail themselves in using their own customer's deposits. It already happened in the 2012–13 Cypriot financial crisis, and it's going to happen all over the world if there's another worldwide depression like in 2008/2009. This thread was started by someone who had a fortune taken from him by his Cypriot bank in 2013. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160292.0The non-inflationary model should preserve wealth and increase its appeal during the next financial meltdown. However, in the immediate instance of a meltdown, there might be a sell-off. Part of that reason is the hot money, and part of it the stock-like value in alts tied to economic activity. That should depress prices until the store of value function predominates. |
|
|
|
The number of Wall Observer threads appears to be growing faster than Craig's patent claims. |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
