But are Lightning nodes = banks? Do the users surrender all control of their Bitcoins to open a channel? Is there a fractional reserve?
There is no fractional reserve on the Lightning Network. Opening a channel means locking up bitcoins in a multi-signature address. Both parties have the same level of control as long as they are online - you can get your coins back any time you want except when the other party is offline. Anyone can set up a Lightning Network node so even if banks attempted to hijack the network, it would be possible to exclude their nodes from routing your payment.
i might aswell interject here
when people use mobile apps for LN. they are not checking the blockchain. they are not even going to get to view the raw TX, all they get to see is a balance.. so many many things can be played about with behind the scenes.
and because the LN locked funds. and the separate unconfirmed transactions are not validated by anyone. they can be manipulated.
i know people believe in utopian peace of perfection. but in the real world greedy people will abuse a system of no outside validation.
and with factories. the factory gets funded onchain. the factory then channels to a hub and the hub channels to a user. so again the user only see's funds it presumes the other party actually has. based on what the hub provides as proof.
after all. i could lock funds into an address and then from my factory show one transaction paying starbucks hub to then open a channel.. while also showing a tx paying a walmart hub who who could channel to me.
the more jumps(layers) between the real funds shown onchain vs the end use. and the less the end use has access to checking it, which allows for more chance of manipulation.
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Channel Factories
As our main contribution, we introduce a new layer between the blockchain
and the payment network, giving a three layered system. In the first layer, the
blockchain, funds are locked into a shared ownership between a group of nodes.
The new second layer consists of multi-party micropayment channels we call
channel factories, which can quickly fund regular two party channels. The re-
sulting network provides the third layer, where regular transfers of currency are
executed
also wind_FURY
banks are counter party. you cant just throw funds at anyone. you need your bank to be open and the destinations bank to be open to send a payment and you need them to agree to send it. why do you think banks say 3-5 days payment. because funds have to jump between many hoops.
LN is not a system of paying a destination any time of day using just one lump of funds thats guaranteed to reach the destination day or night. in milliseconds without anyone elses signature.
P.S what i actually was addressing was the fortknox. of locking funds in. not the fractional reserve
you know ... thunderdome.. 2 may enter. but none may leave, if you survive. you exit one thunderdome and realise you entered another thunderdome.. just like how gold got locked into fortknox by making it harder to just get back what you put in
it was you and only you that mentioned the fractional reserve thing.. not me. i was debating fortknox fed reserve.. FEDERAL reserve. not FRACTIONAL
but if you want to talk about fractional reserve. then please take some time to learn about factories first as its better to explain something once you know about what im talking about. so learn factories run some scenarios. but dont run utopian scenarios. run critic/greed/theft style scenarios. then we can talk
and to Doomad
utopian praising and kissing ass something with flaws. (even the devs say things are broke) helps no one
actually being critical and pointing out failures does 2 things: 1 warns people 2. kicks devs ass to fix them
no point with utopian adverts when people use it, see it has issues, gets disappointed and thinks they have been lied to creates more negative adverts and conversations. than to just admit there are issues and limits.
its about not over promising and under delivering.
but hey you call it tinfoil hat. but id love to see you actually rebut how a statement is wrong using lines of code and actual content. and not insults. insults dont disprove or fix the issue.
have a nice day