The same way that cars allowed us a move on from the horse and cart, or how telephones enabled us to move on from posting letters.  

You missed out a lot of the meat from that paragraph so I will assume you agreed with those sentiments . True they are willing to have the hearing though, I would hope that their idea of informing themselves goes beyond talking to a select group of people however.


Consider for a moment the United States Constitution and how it has changed since its conception. The banking system once had a useful function of value which has eventually eroded into the corruption that we have today. If you put any idea into the wrong hands then don't expect a positive result. I cannot forecast into the future obviously, but history I feel offers a good indication to where the foundation could potentially lead.

So the idea is for the advisers(The Foundation in this instance) to inform government who will then in turn inform the general public? So we expect no misinformation or propaganda in this chain of events? Anyway I did not say that advising is bad, or that lesser of them is a good idea, in fact here is a direct quote ("Advising is great"). Obviously sharing information is always a good idea, the Foundation however act as more than mere advisers by not just acting as facilitators of knowledge, but as the voice itself. Big difference.

I guess an important question to ask before arguing my point any further would be...
Do you feel that the foundation have, or intend to establish themselves as an authority on behalf of Bitcoin?
If so do you not see any potential for that authority to lead to negative outcomes?

If you say no to either of those then that is just a difference of opinion and time will tell.

OP I think you need to make your sale a little clearer? Are you selling the domain, website, the chairs? I am not interested but I figured some detail would help others lol.

Apologies if my thread has made your service sound any less reputable. For the record I have not tried out all4btc.com, nor had I heard anything bad about them before creating the thread.

My issue is that the foundation, in my opinion, is just repeating the same system that I was hoping Bitcoin and other new innovations might eventually free us from. Advising is great, however I don't believe we should conform to a dated political system when the "authority" is not willing to inform themselves. Think about how long human civilization has appointed representatives to speak for the people, even in a supposed democratic system the results are always inevitable. Even if the foundation has Bitcoins best interests at heart today, tomorrow those interests will shift until eventually the core philosophies have been eroded. Sometimes new definitions need to be invented, thats how innovation works. Law, politics, education and economics should adapt to new advances.

Honestly though, I have not yet considered what I "want to do" on these matters, that is something the entire community would need to reflect upon. I do however feel with the advent of social media and so on, there is a far lesser need for advisers. The general public need to be informed, not the dinosaurs who will only care if they can somehow control and manipulate it.


That in my opinion touches at the root of my dislike for the foundation, I don't believe such an extreme set of views can ever be represented by a small group of people. Doing "what it can to be accepted" is not always a good idea, the US a doing what it can do prevent terrorism and look how that is turning out. This is one example of many.


Politics as a system is fine, it is the way we choose to go about conducting politics that I feel needs to change. We cannot keep looking to the same broken system hoping for acceptance and answers. I don't just see Bitcoin as a potential alternative to making transactions, but rather an opportunity to use our intelligence and creativity to reinvent how we live and our roles in society. My views are perhaps Utopian, I just look at the current political/financial systems as extra weight, while we are willing drag the excess behind us we are giving a select few a free ride at our expense.

Finally, I agree to below except one small correction:

So what the *community* need to do is show the potential for Bitcoin to expand the wider economy, to benefit US businesses, that it is a technology. Conversely, that making it difficult to use could push it more towards the black market, other countries may massively benefit to the US' cost, and so on.

Foundation mission...

I dislike the concept of the foundation as ulimiately they are promoting their own views and not that of the entire community. In my view they are essentially functioning as politicians and when was the last time you heard of a politician who actually looked out for those they supposedly represent. So much for the principles of "non-political economy, openness and independence".

Yes, once I start getting visitors (paid advertising) I could also point some visitors your way. Creating a project on multiple services seems like a great way to reach a larger audience. HumbleIdea is not totally focused on Bitcoin though so not all visitors will be aware of Bitcoin. Feel free to add Bitcoinstarter if you want some funding for your crowdfunding service lol.

I did not say all non weed smokers want to call the cops, many are reasonable and understand the true value of freedom and what it represents. Anyway, I meant the same kind of people who would call the cops when they see some kids playing in a field with a "no ball games sign". In Asia many like to eat "Stinky Tofu", they love it, and it is one part of their culture that the typical Westerner would avoid in ignorance and even disgust. "Who cares though, I don't like the smell so lets ban it!" If a smelly druggy can grasp these concepts I really hope you can see the immaturity in your own responses. I will conclude with this quick lesson for you to imbibe, sometimes things smell, things look ugly, things don't work out as expected. Life is a strange thing and sometimes strange things are worth appreciating.


Well I used to play basketball a lot so I guess that makes for a perfect match. To be honest, all I can say is that I am a very healthy guy, I am in very good physical shape, I meditate and my degree results to-date have topped the class (full of non users). I have not been sick since secondary school and although I would attribute that to meditation I would argue that smoking has some health benefits too, providing you still bother with trying to live a healthy lifestyle. I certainly do not feel like I am in any way at a disadvantage physically, mentally or spiritually.

I bought these a while back, they were very nice and I ate them way to quickly.

"Call the cops! Those guys are smoking a (smelly ) plant that media propaganda tells me is evil."

Caffeine is far worse, yet we are encouraged to consume it all day just so we work harder and longer work hours. In my opinion I should be able to do whatever I want, providing no one else is negatively effected. People say they want freedom, yet they are always happy to take it away from others.

I already have domain but thanks anyway, also Google have been penalizing EMD (Exact Match Domains) so those would not be great for SEO anyway. 

Hello everyone, I have launched a new crowd funding service called "Humble Idea". The aim is to cater to the Bitcoin and the crypto-currency community although projects in any niche areas are welcome. The site is already partially setup although projects cannot yet receive backing. The aim is to setup the Bitcoin payment system very soon which will allow backers to help contribute funding to projects using Bitcoin, until then I will be running the testing FIAT payment gateway. I am happy to just run a standard FIAT/PayPal system but I figured you guys/girls would prefer the Bitcoin option?  

At the moment I would like to offer some positions for beta testing. Although you won’t yet be able to receive funding this is a great opportunity to get in early with a free account. Once the system is fully setup your project will then go live. If you would like to help test then please visit the site and click on "create" and you will be able to list your project for review. I have already set up a few basic sample(dummy) projects although ideally a good mix of quality image, video and text would be ideal to showcase your "idea". I will set up some guidelines and the FAQ over the next few days. Please PM me, comment below or contact me via the site if you have any questions or feedback.

Oh that makes sense, thanks.

For some reason I am not able to change my avatar, I have tried numerous times over the last few month and now I am getting a little tired of it. I have tried all the basics such as different image formats, sizes and deleting cookies etc. So any idea how to fix this?

I guess torture is also out of the question? Thanks anyway.

How much experience do you have as a hitman? I would like someone taken care of.

Who cares? The best way deal with an arrogant person is to just ignore them (and don't do business with them), he seems like the kind of guy who craves attention so don't give him what he wants. To be honest he could even be trying to attract more exposure to BFL by being controversial. As people distance themselves from him others will become more loyal, that is the same retarded psychology that feeds the "console wars" (& politics ).

Thanks for all most of the input, I will take a look into Timecoin. Also I wont be cloning Ripple from what I have read it has some issues. I don't really want to make another pointless coin so it would need to bring something new to the table.

I have added you on Skype, I look forward to hearing your idea.

Sound coin  , but seriously is raw computing power necessary?

I would like to find out if it is possible to create an alt-coin that uses an alternative method to mining? Perhaps a coin that is time based or one that is mined in relation to a users activities. Mining to me seems a like a waste of energy so I would like to get an idea of the potential possibilities. Also out of interest where could I go to find a alt-coin developer? I realize there are a few tutorials about but I would rather find someone who knows what they are doing.