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1601  Economy / Speculation / Re: LOWEST PRICE BITCOIN WILL GET TO on: September 19, 2017, 08:31:20 PM
2000$, it did not happen. Although it can happen in the future.

In fact... it was just around 1000$ some months ago and the rise from that was too fast. I won't be suprised if it came back to that price at some point.
Of course it will dump to $1,000 in someday, but not now. It needs have a reason can makes us feel reasonable, then its value will auto drop down normally, does not by someone, it dropped by all traders on the market.

I don't think your dream will become true some days or month. According to me bitcoin price will never drop below 2500$ here after. Therefore you can damn to invest on bitcoin. When I entered into this forum that time bitcoin price was around 450$ alone and not more that but hitting peak value every month.

That is a fact, Bitcoin have now many more adopters than it had attracted back then and more adopters simply means, much more demand for Bitcoin and by extension, more valuable the coin becomes. Ultimately the coin becomes greatly decentralized as more people adopt it and that can be a reason, overwhelming drop in price would no longer be all said and done.
1602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Btc drop near 2k? on: September 19, 2017, 05:54:32 PM
I felt like I missed a great opportunity at selling high and buying low when it reached 5k and drop to 4k a couple of days ago. Now it happened again from 4k to 3k. You think it will happen a third time, from 3k to 2k?


Nowbody can really know this but I sure hope it does and even below 2k. This way all the weak handshake will be shaken out of the system.

We are seing this "China ban" again and again and always with the same result. Slowly, but shurely, the market will be mature enought not to overreact on news like this.

That is not a good prayer and should it come to pass, a number of people especially noob would be devastated and may leave the crypto-world to never come back. At any rate, I don't see the market dropping below the $3000 price level anytime soon until the November hard fork imbroglio sets in and possibly upset the market, though that too would be short-lived. Until then, do relax and make some money by buying low and selling high from the daily swing.
1603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoin reach $5000 again without China ? on: September 19, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
I think 5000 dollars is a very distant target, it is very difficult to reach this level until the end of this year, maybe we will find our chance in 2018 Smiley
No, I think we might be able to see $5000 by end of this year. China has definitely caused a major setback in it, BTC was going to cross $5000 in August itself but it didn't because of China. Now since it is recovering, if it continues this up trend we should be able to see $5000 by end of the year.
I don't see what setback you are talking about here, if there was one, we won't be talking about over $3500 per Bitcoin only few days after such an announcement. The fact that the market was able to bounce back from under $3000 is a clear testimony to the fact that still without China, Bitcoin is still posed to get to where it was headed. The rest of the world are behind Bitcoin and they are in the majority and that is all that matters.
1604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin (BTC) back to $2749 on: September 18, 2017, 10:36:11 PM
This is just bonus dip for us and the dump is already expected because there is a lot of FUD in different places and the people are like believing all those FUD and look what bitcoin did and it shows that even there is a lot of FUD, it can still fight back and bounce back for a higher price and give profits to the real holders of bitcoin.
Something worthy of note from all that, is that notwithstanding that the overall market bias suggests price would rally, it should not be taken for granted how low price may drop before plummeting eventually, actually FUD happens for some reasons and technical analysis can come handy here to spotlight what range one should be looking at.
1605  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are We Dead Without China? on: September 18, 2017, 08:40:08 PM
China holds 20% of total btc. Bitcoin won't die from one move itself l, but if China can ban it soon other countries will try to ban it aswell. So if more countries get motivated by this move by China and impose a similar ban then Bitcoin will soon go down.
You might like to recall that China also tried to ban Bitcoin and even though Bitcoin wasn't half as popular as it is today, yet they only ended up popularizing Bitcoin the more. This time around, I think they are fighting a losing battle because Bitcoin was created with situation like this in mind. Bitcoin is fast maturing and demand for it can only remain on the increase, because it meets specific financial challenges.
1606  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Small investors now is your time! on: September 18, 2017, 08:50:49 AM
Small investments or large investments - all is the same. They all multiply over time in Bitcoin.
Of course they are not the same thing! Small investors need to be more meticulous of what price they end up buying because their small amount can so easily be wiped out by market volatility unlike whales, who can afford to wait out the market until a green light is finally on.
1607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoin reach $5000 again without China ? on: September 17, 2017, 11:12:25 PM
China is a major player, but most of the trades are distributed around the world. In addition, Chinese people can still buy and sell Bitcoin through p2p trading.
The good thing is that now no one can complain about China manipulating the price.
Yes the community ought to be celebrating because it is actually a good thing happened to us. On a number of occasions in the past, the market have had its soar punctured by China Acupuncture needles because they are afraid of Yuan losing it to Bitcoin and yet there not much they can do to stop Bitcoin, as a matter of fact, they are already late the revolution across globe already started in 2009.
1608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chinese Investors to Trade Bitcoin Over-The-Counter Via Telegram on: September 17, 2017, 10:52:38 PM
Another goodnews for bitcoin community.. After the shutdown issue on china it is now proven that bitcoin cannot be stop as china release news for bitcoin to be done with permit.. This shows that china only want taxes to be paid for bitcoin earners...
They are of course fighting a losing battle and their experience way back 2013 ought to have told them better, but no, they keep underestimating Bitcoin and the revolution it has unleashed. I think they had better learn from their past that attempts made anywhere in the globe to eclipse Bitcoin ended up making it more popular and in high demand. History is repeating itself one more time!
1609  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China vs BTC? on: September 17, 2017, 10:33:23 PM
Can someone explain to me why china is trying to ban bitcoin.?

Try to do some more research about this latest news. China is not banning bitcoin, nor does the country ban altcoins for that matter. China is banning ICOs. Perhaps some regulations will take place about ICOs. Crypto exchanges are also being treated with very strict measures, even closing some.

Yes, some of the exchanges are perpetuating money laundering and the government wants to get strict on the ICO's and if possible the exchanges with whom these illegal moneys are converted into the Chinese yuan and vice versa.
You're sounding more like the spokes person for China, so where are thou evidence to support all those claims? Are you aware that China also attempted to ban Bitcoin way back 2013, which resulted in taking the wind out of Bitcoin's sail back then and now in 2017, they are still lost what to do with Bitcoin
https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/5/5177550/bitcoin-banned-from-chinese-banks-amid-fears-of-laundering
1610  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin - time to buy or sell? on: September 17, 2017, 09:06:18 PM
Right now I think bitcoin is in a bit of a sweet spot at 3600. I am expecting the price to fall slightly to around 3300 at some point but eventually to rebound back above $4k, so really right now you could go either way, sell and look to buy back in if the price falls (riskier) or hold and wait for it to recover some more.
now is the time to buy Bitcoin. spend all your money to buy Bitcoin now. see the price is so cheap. if you want to sell Bitcoin please wait 1-2 months. surely you will profit.
One problem with the suggestion above is that if you spend all your money to buy Bitcoin, you would be hard pressed to sell them off after a few days to meet your needs and then the whole essence for the purchase would have been defeated. Best to always buy as much coins as one can afford to hodl and forget until when they are quite profitable and you think the time is right to sell.
1611  Economy / Speculation / Re: China is buying - Something's coming up on: September 17, 2017, 05:39:03 PM
Nothing is up ~ whales are just making use of this situation to shake the market up and down. It's now more than ever an easy job to drive the market into a certain direction since people ar but e easily pushed into buying or selling.

I am still having the prediction of Goldman Sachs in mind, where they pretty accurately predicted the peak, and maybe also the bottom that sits far below the $3000 mark.

I rather have enough fiat aside for when the market is plummeting further from current levels. Currently the market seems to be in a calm state, but there isn't much needed to trigger another round of heavy panic selling.
They obviously did not envisage Bitcoin could be this tenacious and had probably looked forward to its abysmal crash, but the market instead gave them the fit of their lives and now they're trying to lick their wounds. Bitcoin we must realize have spread far and near and is now far more decentralized and more formidable than where it stood couple of years back. That is a dream come through and actually one of the goals Satoshi had in mind - a currency not manipulable by the governments or financial institutions like Goldman Sachs.
1612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Can be $5,000 Again? on: September 17, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Just days ago, predictions and projections were pointing to the possibility that Bitcoin can be able to clobbered the $5,000 mark and it did happen. But what followed was a big correction due to massive sell-off (profit-taking is the possible reason here which is nothing alarming actually) and so we are now back almost at the $4,500 - $4,600 range.

However, since Bitcoin had already broken the $5,000 wall, it would be now easier for it to do it again this time. We just don't know when can that be...will it be tomorrow, next week or just within the month of September?


Did it really reach the 5000$ mark already? I'm not awared with that. But looking back on what happened in the segwit last month of august, after the fork it reached the 4000 dollar mark from 2500$ in just a month. And it was already issued that there'll be another hardfork that will happen in the month of November. Which means there's a possibility that it will reach the 5000$ mark if the hardfork will succeed.
It almost reach $4900+ before the month start. Knowing it already reached auch amount possibility is that it have abilities to reach that amount again and will be able to make it higher soon. Maybe by December.

After this recovery November can be month that will be next in line for bitcoin to hit 5k after this drop. Dont expect that it will be sooner just that it will happen in November, by end of this year we will be sure on 5k margin maybe little bigger but this will be end line price for this year.
I also agree that having tested the $5000 level once, it won't be long before that level is finally breached and now that the market have fully contained the upset from China, hopeful this week would see Bitcoin recovering all lost grounds and $5000 price level stands to be retested. After that, I would expect a pull back as November approaches and the talks of a hard fork takes center stage again. Soon as that is discounted by the market, then all roads would be clear for Bitcoin to leap as high as it could.
1613  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Small investors now is your time! on: September 17, 2017, 03:24:59 PM
maybe this is a good time to buy bitcoin but my suggestion don't buy all of your money but make split in 3 order buy in different price for example you can buy at $3963, $3933, $3910. the amount of btc you want to buy is up to you but remember don't put all buy in a single buy order because this can prevent you from a big loss if the price is getting down more deep.
That would be a nice and effective approach to buying Bitcoin amidst uncertainties. In forex trade, it is known as averaging and it was premised on the fact that the price of an asset never continues indefinitely in anyone direction. However the choice of values as above is faulty, they're too close, it would more or less be like buying at one and same price thrice. For an effective buying range, one has to put Bitcoin's ATR (Average  True Range) into consideration and that would ensue one would not be compelled to take more than a handful of positions before the market reverses.
1614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin (BTC) back to $2749 on: September 17, 2017, 01:53:21 PM
This is just bonus dip for us and the dump is already expected because there is a lot of FUD in different places and the people are like believing all those FUD and look what bitcoin did and it shows that even there is a lot of FUD, it can still fight back and bounce back for a higher price and give profits to the real holders of bitcoin.

It is unlikely that the FUD will stop in the near future. The upcoming November hard fork could potentially lead
to crazy price action - in both directions. It could be a non-event where new money is generated out of thin air
just like during the Bitcoin Cash hard fork. Or it could lead to trouble and huge hashrate oscillations, which
could cause a transaction backlog on one of the new chains. Even more crazy outcomes like Bitcoin Cash
taking over are a non-zero possibility.
In as far as humans are involved here, FUD is here to stay. For some people, that would mean, leaving their money on the table and running as far as their feet could carry them, while for some others, FUD is an invitation to make some good money. As for Bitcoin Cash taking over, well evening at Bitcoin's weakest moments, that would be a tall order because Bitcoin community is still the one to beat, we're resolute in seeing Bitcoin's moon landing.
1615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin below $3000: "Good buy" or "Goodbye"? on: September 17, 2017, 12:45:39 PM
Goodbye in my view.

I do not expect BTC to  cross 2500 already: there will be probably be another leg up to the 3500-4000 USD range, before the real bear enters the game and confirms the bear market at 2500 USD.
It is not uncommon for the market of any asset to be bearish at one time or the other and yes in the coming month, as a result of the proposed hard fork by proponents of Segwit2x, the red line in the image below may be breached, but beyond that a huge rebound as always should be expected.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2177120.msg21909403#msg21909403

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People here are consistenly underestimating the risks they are running with respect to their investment. Relevant questions like the ones I am about to pose aren't even answered in practice:

- How much Chinese BTC can Western markets absorb?
- How many dedicated crypto investment funds will keep BTC in their portfolio long term?
- How will Chinese miners pay the energy bill, when they can no longer easily exchange their BTC for RMB?

There needs to be way more attention to such questions here.
Obviously recent goings-on in the community and market already have answered all your questions and just in case you still want more:

1. it is the global market and not just the western market that are out and already absorbing every Bitcoin China is letting go;

2. Bitcoin is now legal in Japan and South Korea and companies are springing up, by the time China wakes up from their slumber, they would find themselves miles behind.
1616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin @4500$!!!! on: September 17, 2017, 11:34:34 AM
bitcoin prices will continue to decline until the end of the year .. so wait for the lowest price and buy as much as possible. next year will be hard to find bitcoin because the price is very high
I think you had be prepared for the disappointment that is sure to come your way, because the price of Bitcoin is not going to be declining for the rest of the year as you hinted. Already you can see how it has been able to contain China's tantrum like water poured on the back of a duck. Sometime in November though, we shall be making a decision on Segwit2x's proposed hard fork and we might experience a drop in price, but upon bouncing back, it would be a leap to the moon. The Bitcoin we see today is more resolute and tenacious you can't hold it down.
1617  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China vs BTC? on: September 17, 2017, 09:09:01 AM
Can someone explain to me why china is trying to ban bitcoin.?
No they are not trying to ban Bitcoin or altcoins, rather they are working at centralizing the activities of exchanges in China, so that they could control and manipulate Bitcoin and other coins as they do with Yuan. That is however going to be their undoing because Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general is beyond China. Interestingly, Japan and South Korea have positioned themselves to fill any void that would be created by China's shortsightedness.
1618  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is this for real? I could be a millionaire? on: September 17, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
They're the same bitcoins you don't  need to worry about it about your 200 btc. Of course you'll become millionaire if you have 200 btc. The question is why we use bitcoins. We buy it low and sell high. Once we buy it, We hold the bitcoins until the price goes up and if i am not wrong you're going to do the same thing.

I think the right question to ask is what is making Bitcoin price to always want to go up after every fall, because that is where the possibility to making millions would emanate from. Something in Bitcoin boosts people's confidence  to buy and hold it regardless of what is going on in the market! That must be the secret people are tapping into to become rich through Bitcoin.
1619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin (BTC) back to $2749 on: September 16, 2017, 08:36:40 PM
Where you get information rate bitcoin $ 2749 ? I bought Bitcoin last day in price $ 3250 that floor price.
I think to many people confuse and panic sell about news from China Will be stop market place cryptocurrency .
Hey guys , cryptocurrency not just on China but cryptocurrency all country can be do it make a market place.
In Japan , bitcoin legal and have regulation from government.

I wonder that too, where did you get 2749$ price? Haven't noticed that value. Anyway, it seems that the price begun to recover, we are about 3600$ now, which is good news. And don't pay so much attention to China, they are a big player but not the only one and not everything related to Bitcoin is depending on them.
I see where that is coming from, see red line in image, but technically the $3000 price level is more of a psychological level and interestingly the bulls were lying in wait for it to be tested, to jump into the market and they did just that as the $3000 price level is sitting right on the 61.8% Fibonacci level!

1620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China just commited the funniest Technical suicide of the 21st century on: September 16, 2017, 08:04:32 PM
Remember the Great wall of China? Yeah, China have age long history of building fences to separate its people from the rest of the world and that is not about to change even now as this is something that started way back 7th century BC and their goal back then - fortification and control is nothing changed from their present day, "Anything for Yuan stance!" Can someone please tell them that protectionism no longer serve its purpose in today's world! That the best way to bring out the best out of anything is to allow it the breathing space to compete with others!
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