I'm not going to say this will make money, but people should realize they aren't trying to be BTC 2.0. It's a very different type of coin for a different purpose. I'm not even sure it'd be considered a cryptocurrency in the traditional sense.

Maidsafe has gone above IPO prices on Polo (not entirely sure where it is now), so I wouldn't say that was such a bad deal. I think it's one of those coins where patience will be a virtue.

Well, if you wanted to buy anyway, and had spare BTC, it wouldn't really matter either way... now or 14 days from now.

For myself, I basically want to know how long I have to scrounge up my BTC by. If no cap, we can even wait past the 14 days and take a little less Ethereum, if we are holding alts that aren't exactly at the best price to sell right now.

Tor anonymity will be fully working by Friday, if all goes as planned?

You should put it in the ann, header or something, if that is the case. The coin is cheap if it fully works.

I'm sure everyone has noticed that Polo has run zero ICOs (or they call them ICDs) after the instituted their new rules. Yet Bittrex has run several. Or tried to run several, I should say.

It's a lot easier for devs if they don't have to provide their real identities nor have to do stuff to get paid anything. I'm not even going to say this is a scam, or the devs won't be active, or any of that fuddy stuff.
For all we know they are on the level.

I am just saying the obvious ...

ICO devs are going for the big payout all at once, without providing their identities, nor any assurance they simply won't walk away from the coin.

They could provide these assurances by just offering their ICO on Polo instead. But they aren't. And that sort of tells you something right there.

I said it in the Arch thread, and will say it here... if devs want to avoid all the negativity as far as exchange-run ICOs go, use Polo's rules.

No giant sum payouts, identity provided to the exchange.

Apologies if this has been mentioned, but what is the max number of coins? And how many does each stake get?

Wondering about that too.

If there is some sort of Save Tilakum charity out there, I guess that could work. Or promote Blackfish with the coin somehow... that's also rather anti-seaworld.

I'd like to apply for the job of Pizza Tester. There is the rare chance it may not help the coin a whole lot, or have anything at all to do with crypto... and cost you money ... but I'm sure someone would benefit.

Well, that would be me... but otherwise I'm sure it'd be a very important and delicious job.

No cap on sales, I take it? Approx. 14 days at current price, regardless of how many sell between now and that 14 days, correct?

I wouldn't say they are killing the altcoin market as they basically just filled the niche leftover when cryptorush exploded. But they are doing a much better job at running an exchange than cryptorush, hence the increased volume. They should be pickier with what they choose to list, but if they weren't listing them, some other exchange would.

What they may be killing is their own ICO model, however. They have been running too many, too close together, with no safeguards in place besides making sure the wallet works. Their last one didn't even get off the ground as they ran it right after Iceberg tanked.

That's what I'd guess too. Thing is, he didn't need to actually implement anything he said he would. He just needed to return and pretend he knew what he was doing. Delays are normal in cryptoland, he could have easily doubled or tripled his money simply by making a forum post. Doesn't matter a whole lot what that post even said, just something that sounded reasonably competent.

The simple reason may be he wasn't especially smart about it. I mean, he basically reused the same logo for both coins, left enough evidence so it's pretty clear the same dev made both this and Vast. A real scammer would have milked conceal for all it was worth, then moved on. That's what confused a lot of people here. He was sort of too incompetent in his scamming to make sense.

I see the term shitcoin used interchangeably with scamcoin, and again, am curious how people define either one. Most of the coins people have called shitcoins, coingen stuff, coins with no devs, etc just die on their own. They may add noise to the forum and exchanges, but are pretty harmless really. The marketplace should take care of that issue over time.

How do you define a shitcoin? Should the goal be to warn people about scams and hopefully reduce their frequency, or to reduce shitcoins (simply defining one is highly subjective), just to minimize what they feel is a distraction from better coins? The former should be the goal in my opinion, as the latter will vary way too much  depending on what coins people hold.

True. I just meant that those coins were getting more attention, higher volume and pricing, even after they were confirmed as scams. A lot of that could just have been from bagholders though, who bought in on the early hype.

Devs need to do the multipool, to get volume up. And they need to release screenshots/info on all upcoming features.

I'm not big on fake hype. When I say they need to increase marketing/exposure, I first mean they need to do something. If people are skittish, memes, contests, people going on about how Apex will be worth $100/coin, won't help (and is frankly silly in my opinion).

Devs just need to be active here, release more info, and then they can worry about increasing volume + exposure in other places. Coinpayments, more exchanges, articles, giveaways and such can help ... which would logically make sense perhaps next week, if the devs have done stuff here in the meanwhile.

Could be right there.

Concealcoin, with an absent dev, was selling for more than Apex yesterday, and VastCoin, from the same shady dev, is current selling in the same ballpark as Apex.

If you can't get more attention than a coin with a fake dev, it means you are doing something wrong PR wise. Perhaps the multipool will help there, just to get volume up.

Cryptsy listed Apex to little to no fanfare, for instance.

This coin is a bit of an odd one. Price is lower than it should be, based on number of coins + planned features. If devs do any of the things they say they will, this could be a bargain.

I think the coin ran into bad luck as people may be overlooking this, or equating it with coins released around the same time (i.e. concealcoin). People may be getting skittish with all early coins that promise unique features.

Nobody should take this post meaning I am suggesting people buy, as I have no idea if things will pan out. Just, again, price is lower than it should be IF the devs deliver at all. There is always a big 'if'.

You may need to make sure your NXT acct is confirmed, or whatever they call it. You need to send NXT out of the account. Although I thought people were still listed after they got validated, just with a zero next to that confirmation area.

You can check out the link in my signature for info on coins. I don't get anything if you click there, nor think it'd make people great investors... just that it does provide info on a lot of coins.

When I started here, which really wasn't long ago, so I'm probably still considered a newbie, I thought everyone here was insane. I mean, they were pumping tons of money into projects based on a forum post, no real evidence that the coins would ever be used as a currency, nor in some cases that the coins would even be paid out. So I decided to not really invest real money into this... too risky.

Instead look for freebie coins, cheap ipos that look at least semi-decent, and start small. Things like Comm/Nem/ITC are examples of past coins that could be used as a stake. Just play with whatever you get for free... if you lose it, so be it, just wasted time, not money.

And the way I look at coins is that we don't invest in coins, but the developers. Unfortunately in many cases we have no idea who the developers are or if they are on the level. My first two targets when I started were Drk and Ethereum, just due to the fact their devs looked to be a cut above everyone else. Pick a coin with decent devs, and at least you have a shot.