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1661  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 10:59:42 PM
What he has been doing has been obvious to me (I think) and this supports it.  He has been trying to make "bitcoin" something that the state and the CBs could embrace.

Question: Would you prefer to prohibit any state actor from participating in Bitcoin?

Followup: If answer to above is 'yes', how do you square this with the mutually-exclusive attribute of 'permissionless'?

Absolutely not.  But neither would I work to smooch up to them with some sort of dystopian nightmare about "all your crimes will forever be recorded on the blockchain", which as I have followed BSV twitter has been a pretty strong narrative.  

Such has been a statement of CSW's, yes. However, it is a mere statement of fact. All of the Bitcoin forks form an immutable record of all transactions on the blockchain. Personally, I lean libertarian, and I feel that the fact that analysis techniques can deanonymize users within Bitcoin is a regrettable aspect of the system. But someone loudly pointing out such a state does not change it or make it more pervasive. BTC suffers from this weakness just as does SV.

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And CSW has been talking about how privacy is bad and the evidence trail for law is so important...  

Again, you will need to provide a link for me to understand that to which you are referring. I have heard him exclaim many times something along the line of 'anonymity bad, privacy good'.In the same sentence. You sure you're not just wrong about your belief of what he has been stating?

Do you disagree that the evidence trail is useful to law enforcement? Or do you maybe believe that all law enforcement is by definition bad? Or do you believe that BTC does not provide the exact same evidence trail as does SV?
1662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 15, 2019, 10:46:14 PM

Curious is that the delisting does not seem to square with Binance's stated criteria. Of course, CZ is free to do what he wishes with the exchange he owns. But is seems more virtue signaling than adherence to rational criteria.


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When we conduct these reviews, we consider a variety of factors. Here are some that drive whether we decide to delist a digital asset:

    Commitment of team to project
    Level and quality of development activity
    Network / smart contract stability
    Level of public communication
    Responsiveness to our periodic due diligence requests
    Evidence of unethical / fraudulent conduct
    Contribution to a healthy and sustainable crypto ecosystem

I would guess our opinions on this might differ but I would say it meets the bolded quite well.  They are calling for the doxing of an individual on the net.  No matter how wrong he may or may not have been to call names, that is an egregious move.= and significantly unprofessional *and* unethical.  And that is just one example.  There is a whole website dedicated to various fraud from one of the leaders.

The listed "factors" apply to "digital asset[ s]".
'They' in your statement (whoever 'they' are) applies to humans.
Certainly, you can discern the difference between digital assets and humans.
1663  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 05:40:07 PM
What he has been doing has been obvious to me (I think) and this supports it.  He has been trying to make "bitcoin" something that the state and the CBs could embrace.

Question: Would you prefer to prohibit any state actor from participating in Bitcoin?

Followup: If answer to above is 'yes', how do you square this with the mutually-exclusive attribute of 'permissionless'?
I differentiate between participation and taking over control, which is what was suggested during a Coingeek conference in which the blights of society were supposed to get sufficient tools to keep doing what they have been in a more efficient manner.

You would need to provide more info if you expect me to know what you are talking about. All I have seen from CSW as public pronouncements on changes to the protocol have been to restrict any such protocol changes to be to 'unfucken' (not his term, actually Shadders', I believe) it back to parity with v0.1. Any tools sitting atop such a protocol are just that - not base layer. Accordingly, I don't understand what that has to do with SV. If any public pronouncement has even been made.

I note also that you have not answered the posited question(s).

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If Roger hadn't teamed up with CSW and Bitmain (phony hash war)

Exactly what is a 'phony hash war'? As differentiated, I suppose, from a 'real hash war?
1664  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 15, 2019, 05:31:13 PM
Looks like sv is done for .

Haha. Based upon what, exactly?

Based on the fact that your idol dev keeps insisting on exposing himself as the retarded, amoral chump bitch that he is.

Just who do you suppose is my 'idol dev'?

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I wonder how long bcash has left

Bitcoin Cash? Generations.

Given your track record, I'll infer that to mean its got about 3 years, tops

Is that a hard call? Can I throw it in your face in three years? Or is it perhaps speculation? Or maybe just a personal hope?

Lindy says ten years and counting. And up 18% on the day. Not too shabby so far.
1665  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 15, 2019, 05:26:15 PM

The BSV sycophants will play this as:  This is not about exchanges... it's about utility. 

Well, one cannot deny that listing on the world's highest volume crypto exchange is pretty good utility. So the delisting is indeed unfortunate. Though CMC tells me that Binance is responsible for a just about 12.5% of SV Exchange volume. So not crippling. More damaging in optics than in any significant lasting effect.

Curious is that the delisting does not seem to square with Binance's stated criteria. Of course, CZ is free to do what he wishes with the exchange he owns. But is seems more virtue signaling than adherence to rational criteria.

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I bet CA and CW announce a fiat -> SV exchange soon.

Seems like it could be a logical move.

1666  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 15, 2019, 05:16:50 PM
Looks like sv is done for .

Haha. Based upon what, exactly?

https://www.coindesk.com/binance-delists-bitcoin-sv-ceo-calls-craig-wright-a-fraud

When coins get delisted from large exchanges there's real cause for concern. Don't you think?

Concern? Certainly. 'Done for'? Hardly. I see it as a buying opportunity,.

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I see bcash is getting a boost from sv's troubles lol

I would expect that SV's public flogging is in some large margin responsible for BCH's 18% daily gain, yes.
1667  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 15, 2019, 05:12:26 PM
Funny choice of words. In what way does the listing status on any particular exchange cause a chain to be -- and I quote your careless misrepresentation -- "a scam"?
Sorry about that, English is not my mother tongue, so I misunderstood the meanings of fraud and scam. I admited the misusage, and already corrected my post above, turned scam into fraud, as the article used. Thanks for pointing this out so fast.

Funny choice of words. In what way does the listing status on any particular exchange cause a chain to be -- and I quote your careless misrepresentation -- "a fraud"?

Incidentally, for a non-native speaker, your English is pretty good. With the possible exception of not understanding the words 'scam' and 'fraud'.
1668  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 05:04:35 PM
What he has been doing has been obvious to me (I think) and this supports it.  He has been trying to make "bitcoin" something that the state and the CBs could embrace.

Question: Would you prefer to prohibit any state actor from participating in Bitcoin?

Followup: If answer to above is 'yes', how do you square this with the mutually-exclusive attribute of 'permissionless'?
1669  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
I'm just going to leave this here :

Seasteader in legal troubles, platform to be removed......

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1661300/seastead-couple-in-crosshairs

Edit: He's possibly in very big trouble here if they proceed with the charges as mentioned.

Highly unfortunate development. I thought Elwar had tacit approval or acquiescence for the seastead. I wonder where the disconnect is.

i think he was counting on "flying under the radar" on this one.  might be wrong though. definitely sucks but without some sort of formal agreement in place it was bound to happen sooner or later.

easy enough to tow to top unit somewhere else but the spar would be harder. might be easier to just sink it. coral will grow on it (already has some i believe) and its just another part of the seabed ecology at that point, so it not pollution. i believe they would have to notify some authority or other that they sunk it with the details of what it is, where etc.

anyway hes proved the point that can be done. not many can say that abount a whole new tech. pioneers always expect setbacks. im sure elwar will take it in stride and move on.

that penalty. man. doesnt leave much room for negotiation does it. gotta look up that law, im sure its so draconian for a reason, at least back then when it was passed.

stay safe elwar! looking forward to updates.
I don't think they can kill or imprison him without fear of America stepping in. He was wanting to have a peaceful retirement but those corrupt countries wouldn't allow that.

Yeah, I dunno. I could see the state dept sitting this one out on 'challenge to any state authority' grounds. It's not going to be high profile stateside, so they can probably take a flyer without any public notice.
1670  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 04:17:19 PM
France Passes Bill to Allow Insurance Providers to Invest In Crypto & Tokens

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Known as “Plan d’action pour la croissance et la transformation des entreprises,” (Pacte) the act reportedly allows insurance providers in France to invest in cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin (BTC) with no limit on the amount of investment.

According FXStreet, a dual provision of the act enables insurers to invest in crypto through specialized professional funds, and allows them to offer life insurance policies exposed to crypto. The new measure will also impact professional capital investment funds.

Insurance endowments in crypto in unlimited quantity. Things that make you go 'hmmm'.
1671  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 15, 2019, 04:14:52 PM
Bitcoin SV has ended as a scam project. Binance, delisted Bitcoin SV, and other exchanges will do it in coming hours, days, or weeks.

Funny choice of words. In what way does the listing status on any particular exchange cause a chain to be -- and I quote your careless misrepresentation -- "a scam"?
1672  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 15, 2019, 04:09:34 PM
Looks like sv is done for .

Haha. Based upon what, exactly?

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I wonder how long bcash has left

Bitcoin Cash? Generations.
1673  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: The 94% Con by Jon Montroll on: April 15, 2019, 03:58:16 PM
Has been anyone here contacted?

I have not. I have just sent the FBI agent referred to above an inquiry as to whether or not the government considers me a victim. According to the source, I should have been contacted regarding sentencing. From an article linked within the quoted article:

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For those identified victims residing in the United States, the Government has sent written notice informing them of the April 2, 2019 sentencing proceeding and of their right to be heard in connection with sentencing. For those victims residing abroad, the Government has contacted the relevant foreign Government or provided notice to the identified victims directly. As of the date of the letter (March 26, 2019), the Government has not received any victim impact statements.


You should contact the resources listed here:

( there is also an Ombudsman whom you can contact if you feel your victim statement or filing has been overlooked or ignored )

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/programs/victim-witness-services

Good info - thanks. I note that that is the same contact info I provided a couple days ago upthread.

I guess I just assumed that my contact with the judge and with the FBI would have (i.e., should have) resulted in my being listed as a victim. Silly me, expecting logic from government processes.

I've left a message at the 866 number. We shall see.
1674  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2019, 11:22:51 PM
I'm just going to leave this here :

Seasteader in legal troubles, platform to be removed......

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1661300/seastead-couple-in-crosshairs

Edit: He's possibly in very big trouble here if they proceed with the charges as mentioned.

Highly unfortunate development. I thought Elwar had tacit approval or acquiescence for the seastead. I wonder where the disconnect is.
1675  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: The 94% Con by Jon Montroll on: April 14, 2019, 05:46:08 PM
Has been anyone here contacted?

I have not. I have just sent the FBI agent referred to above an inquiry as to whether or not the government considers me a victim. According to the source, I should have been contacted regarding sentencing. From an article linked within the quoted article:

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For those identified victims residing in the United States, the Government has sent written notice informing them of the April 2, 2019 sentencing proceeding and of their right to be heard in connection with sentencing. For those victims residing abroad, the Government has contacted the relevant foreign Government or provided notice to the identified victims directly. As of the date of the letter (March 26, 2019), the Government has not received any victim impact statements.
1676  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 13, 2019, 07:29:00 AM
Amiga had the blitter chip for graphics.
I have an IBM System 36 in the basement.

EDIT: and some of the fancy 5250 terminals. On Twinaxial hardware communication.
Hack that, and I'll eat my hat.

Decades ago, I made a backup device that talked 5250. To IBM System 36, 38 and AS/400. Had the lion's share of the market outside of IBM 18-track tape. Which is to say , many more installations than IBM's, much less total revenue.

Was quite clever, running a backup device as if it was screens of terminal data. Of course, my work was in the HW at that time, not the SW.
1677  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 10:33:02 PM
Also, the productivity tool is not just a laptop. Software, data, data processing (cloud computing) in the case of IT jobs are just some factors that the worker has no ownership of and thus can't be accredited with the increase in productivity that these provide.

Probably a bigger factor in productivity is the processes and procedures in place that have taken some firms decades to develop.

You mean the processes and procedures that the workers write themselves

Yes. FOr which they have received renumeration. For relationships between people don't write jack.

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because they are doing something completely different from what they were doing 5 years ago?

In part.
1678  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 09:27:49 PM
Also, the productivity tool is not just a laptop. Software, data, data processing (cloud computing) in the case of IT jobs are just some factors that the worker has no ownership of and thus can't be accredited with the increase in productivity that these provide.

Probably a bigger factor in productivity is the processes and procedures in place that have taken some firms decades to develop.
1679  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 09:13:37 PM



I am working on something like this, for the monthly statistics of the current year in this format, I will improve the presentation, and historical statistics in an quote format.

Ok?

Why asking for permission?
We are bitcoiners, we should be anarco-crypto-liberists (not liberals).
Just do it, worst thing it can happen, someone will scroll past your post.
I would also add a link to the most merited post  for every month!


If I know, but WO is not a thread of statistics, I think it's more ethical to ask if they like the proposal. I do not want to publish something that does not interest anyone.

The issue of merits will not be in the statistics, it is very controversial and in WO there is talk of BTC, not of merits.


I, for one, would think that such a tabulation would be very useful in regards to Bitcoin price movement. For several years now, 'subfora topic daily page count' has been one of the informal indicators that has factored into my sentiment analysis. Your thoughts seem to be another view into the same sort of sentiment analysis. I commend you for thinking about taking on such a task.
1680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: April 11, 2019, 07:51:13 PM
Someone tell me why BCH was splitted to two more coins bitcoin abc! bitcoin sv!   Huh

Two factions wanted to go separate directions. Strongly. Neither side yielded.

Unfortunate, but it is the world in which we live.
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