No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe." Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically.  First of all ''being outside the universe'' is not known to be true, there might not be anything outside of it and it's a vague term. If it simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way (which it doesn't) it still doesn't mean it was god, like how do you go from, we don't know what it is, it's just something that doesn't fit our universe to, it's obviously a god? Where is the evidence? ''The complexity of everything'' Define complexity. The fact that the term "outside the universe" does not fit whatever it is that is outside the universe, shows that there absolutely is something outside the universe, and that whatever it is, is way more different that anything within the universe that we can understand. Sure but how does that show it's god and not something else? ''The fact that the term "outside the universe" '' No the fact is that, ''outside the universe'' are words just like a ghost or a troll are words, it doesn't mean they exist, we don't know if there is such thing as ''outside the universe'' Actually, we DO know that something outside the universe exists. The fact that there is nothing in the universe that exists without being made by something else, shows that there had to be something else that made the universe. Nothing makes itself from scratch when it does not exist in the first place. God is the something else that you talk about. If there were not enough complexity in existence for us to reason and have personal identity (artificial as it might be), maybe we could say that it wasn't God. But the fact that we can speak and write and think intelligently, and use our intelligence to recognize the complexity of the universe, shows that God would have to have such and even greater, just to make it all. The word "God" fits, and especially because we don't understand what God is. Again, you keep talking about complexity without defining it. ''The word "God" fits, and especially because we don't understand what God is.'' The word Zeus also fits, all the other god names also fit, aliens also fit, super intelligent being from outside the universe also fits, and so and so on, there is no evidence that points towards god. |
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Getting desperate for someone to comment on your thread? |
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No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe." Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically. First of all ''being outside the universe'' is not known to be true, there might not be anything outside of it and it's a vague term. If it simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way (which it doesn't) it still doesn't mean it was god, like how do you go from, we don't know what it is, it's just something that doesn't fit our universe to, it's obviously a god? Where is the evidence? ''The complexity of everything'' Define complexity. The fact that the term "outside the universe" does not fit whatever it is that is outside the universe, shows that there absolutely is something outside the universe, and that whatever it is, is way more different that anything within the universe that we can understand. Sure but how does that show it's god and not something else? ''The fact that the term "outside the universe" '' No the fact is that, ''outside the universe'' are words just like a ghost or a troll are words, it doesn't mean they exist, we don't know if there is such thing as ''outside the universe'' |
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I wonder how they fit in Noah's ark, the giants I mean. Noah had to take 2 pairs of each, must have been a big ass boat. |
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You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.
Well, no. That's not all. The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking. Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself. This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe. What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside." Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside. My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One. Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday. But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe. Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed. Was that like a game of words or ? ''What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it.'' ''We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside.'' ''My particular God is the God Who started the universe.'' Extremely conflicting statements right there. You say we don't know anything about what's outside the universe (in fact science doesn't even know if there can be something outside) but then you claim to know your god is the one that created the universe, do you not see the flawed logic in this? A kid would. No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe." Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically. First of all ''being outside the universe'' is not known to be true, there might not be anything outside of it and it's a vague term. If it simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way (which it doesn't) it still doesn't mean it was god, like how do you go from, we don't know what it is, it's just something that doesn't fit our universe to, it's obviously a god? Where is the evidence? ''The complexity of everything'' Define complexity. |
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That is a problem with infinities. It is hard to imagine them. "infinity + something = infinity"
Some things are not intuitive. When Feynman first presented his diagrams, Dirac and Bohr told him he is an idiot and walked out of the room.
This universe is amazing, we all should be glad the supernovae created atoms in our bodies.
We should indeed be grateful for the stars and supernovae that allowed heavy elements to form and spread. We should also be grateful for the light called into existence at the beginning of time that eventually made those supernova possible.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universeThe early universe, from the Quark epoch to the Photon epoch, or the first 380,000 years of cosmic time, when the familiar forces and elementary particles have emerged but the universe remains in the state of a plasma, followed by the "Dark Ages", from 380,000 years to about 150 million years during which the universe was transparent but no large-scale structures had yet formed
Before decoupling occurred, most of the photons in the universe were interacting with electrons and protons in the photon–baryon fluid. The universe was opaque or "foggy" as a result. There was light but not light we can now observe through telescopes. The baryonic matter in the universe consisted of ionized plasma, and it only became neutral when it gained free electrons during "recombination", thereby releasing the photons creating the CMB. When the photons were released (or decoupled) the universe became transparent.
And most importantly we should be grateful for the infinite creator who willed it all into existence and sustains it still. Genesis 1-3: 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. Muslims claim the Quran says that too, they also claim the Quran measures the earth and universe to be billions of years old unlike the bible (6-10k years) I think you should be a muslim. |
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^^^ It's cloudy, still not uniformly lit.  Source: CRROW777edit: LOL that ball in that image, it's a Titan mudfossil!  Research the Dinosaur Hoax! edit2: That ballard photo you got is epic. Yeah lol, how didn't I notice? OBVIOUSLY it's a titan's mudfossil. Fucking giants dude, they are everywhere. |
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It should be easy to prove then.   |
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BADecker, surely you of all people can answer this riddle:
If the Moon is a sphere illuminated by the Sun, why is it missing shading around the edges and a hot spot in the middle?
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Shading around the edges like when the moon is not full? Or are you this retarded? Here's the full meme:  Here is the easy way to see how it works until you are mentally challenged. Take a flashlight, point it towards anything and move away, there will be no hotspot eventually. Are you ok? |
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BADecker, surely you of all people can answer this riddle: If the Moon is a sphere illuminated by the Sun, why is it missing shading around the edges and a hot spot in the middle? Show me gravity. Prove it. You will do something that the top scientists cannot do.
Do you have beliefs or facts?
Do you understand why an apple falls from a tree and hits the ground ? Why we don't just float off the firmament ? It's because Holy Space Turtle has lots of mass, and we are attracted to his thicc shell, yo. This is leaps and bounds closer to the truth than a globe spinning a thousand miles an hour with a pressurized atmosphere in a hard vacuum rocketing through space at over 0.2% the speed of light in a vacuum. Do you have any concept of how much energy a 6.669 sextillion ton sphere traveling at 388.5 miles per second relative to the so-called cosmic microwave background would have? If a spec of dust got in the way the resulting explosion would destroy half the known universe! Shading around the edges like when the moon is not full? Or are you this retarded? |
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Joe, calm down, you're setting a bad example for your son.
If anyone believes there's "science" in a 600-page flat-earth thread they're already doomed. There's just flat-brain stupidity and deserved ridicule.
Speaking of answers - ask notbatman what's the distance between Chile and Australia on flat earth, something he's been unable to answer in 100 pages or so.
So no answer. Surprising. What your doing is putting up a straw-man here. The distance from Chile to Australia does not prove shape. At the very best (if your correct) it would show his map is off. My son and I are eagerly awaiting your answer regarding the lack of hot spot on the moon. Teach us oh wise one. The answer is really simple. Take a ball, take your phone, suspend the ball in the air with a thread or something, turn on the light, illuminate the ball up close, you will see a spotlight, go further and further away from the ball and you will see no shadow/spotlight eventually. |
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Thank you Moloch the Merciful. Moloch Akbar! Moloch Akbar! Moloch Akbar!
PS. And that is how new religions are born. People have questions and others have answers. LOL
Ask a silly question, get a silly answer  I do somewhat subscribe to the simulation theory... Like Elon Musk, I find it too plausible to disbelieve. The Hindus and Buddhists have been saying similar for thousands of years, only they call it reincarnation I find the idea of reincarnation more plausible than the idea that god created everyone with less than 100 years to find the correct religion or they spend eternity being tortured by an omnibenevolent god... the latter being a contradiction of an omnibenevolent god torturing souls for eternity, simply for making the wrong choice with limited/bad/contradictory information It's really hard to say what's actually plausible and what is not, we lack a lot of information, perhaps right now something that seems really crazy and not plausible it is in fact what happened. |
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Received, leaving the campaign.
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When I was get accept to work for the first, I was happy so I was very active and very responsive as Customer Service.
After 1 years, works as CS I feel that I'm not active as much as 1 years ago because the job task always the same , the salary never increase.
How would that be an excuse for anything? Being sick and tired of your job doesn't make it alright to screw a bunch of people over. This whole thing has been handled very poorly by Lightlord and Lutpin IMO. As I said before, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but the campaign participants should have gotten paid much earlier (and the Bitvest ones have yet to be paid as of this writing) and they shouldn't have been kept in the dark. It's a sinking feeling when you feel like you're getting scammed but still have that little glimmer of hope that the other person will pay you, and that's what's happening here. Fortunately the funds are available to pay the people here and Lutpin did pay the 777Coin participants so far. That's a very good thing. I tend to think something might be happening with Lutpin in real life--I don't think he intended this to happen and I do think he's going to eventually get the Bitvest people paid. However, this matter hasn't been handled well at all, not by Lightlord and not by Lutpin. He paid, you can delete the neg trust. It's sad that I have to do this in order to get paid. |
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So you think I'm indonesian  Or, you know spanish... 
What's this buzz around Lutpin and Bitvest? Didn't he said he had some problems and he will send money? I see he has already send coins for bitblender and 777coin so probably he is counting posts for bitvest. Actually from Romania but I do live in Spain. He did say he had problems before and that's why he didn't update the thread, I don't know what happened now, though. |
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Bounty has been extended with extra rewards (Just a bump in case people didnt notice)
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After debating with him for hundreds of pages I can guarantee you he is not trolling. He is truly mentally ill, it's really funny when you check all his beliefs because they are so random.
But how would you truly know whether he's trolling or not. I've had a couple of run ins with him recently and I think it's hard to tell whether he actually believes what he even says but I did think he was being serious at first but now I'm not so sure. I don't think he's mentally ill but rather he either radically believes these things he's saying or does it just to irritate and provoke people as trolls do. I think people who are mentally ill probably don't articulate themselves as well as he does or would devote this much time to such a hobby but unless he confesses to such behavior then I guess we'll probably never know and is pointless even discussing it. He's probably even enjoying such speculation and attention. We should probably stop trying to play chess with pigeons, though.  As for him being paid to do this activity by some government or organization, I would find that very hard to believe, but we do know some governments have troll armies that try sway public opinion in their favor but they probably do so more subtly. There's an interesting article about troll armies on Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/fruzsinaeordogh/2018/04/11/the-russian-troll-army-isnt-the-only-one-we-need-to-worry-about/#744212102334The question is what country would he be an agent of and what is he trying to achieve on this board? Well there has to be a point when a troll becomes mentally ill. You can't be trolling people your whole life, can you? At least I don't think you can do it without going insane. |
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So I just did some 'homework' and turns out the hate he has for you might be deeper than you think, Let's break this, He posts the details here, Username : asuryan180
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Searching that username on bitcointalk gives us this user asuryan180Who happens to make this post, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=851750.msg9478551#msg9478551Clcked 5 ads
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The same address is used by this member rivoke, who is been tagged by you. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856842.msg9538386#msg9538386In conclusion, these accounts are connected until Astargah proves the username asuryan180 and the bitcointalk account are purely co-incidental. Looking at the post quality, they seem they belong to the same person. Archived Links https://web.archive.org/web/20181006143044/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=851750.msg9478551https://web.archive.org/web/20181006143117/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979238.msg10688361https://web.archive.org/web/20181006143158/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856842.msg9538386I tagged Lutpin just now, for whatever good it'll do. Don't know what his situation is, but at this point he ought to at least be clear about what he's going to be doing. Handing the books over to Lightlord might not be a bad idea, but IMO the minimum he should be doing is communicating with the campaign participants.
lol I don't know how this works but at this point, it seems completely illogical. Been in his campaign for more than a year and never missed a single payout. So you think I'm indonesian |
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I tagged Lutpin just now, for whatever good it'll do. Don't know what his situation is, but at this point he ought to at least be clear about what he's going to be doing. Handing the books over to Lightlord might not be a bad idea, but IMO the minimum he should be doing is communicating with the campaign participants.
Lutpin did pay the 777Coin campaigners, and the one person I heard from after that told me he got seriously shorted. That may or may not be true, but given that no one said a word after the payout, I can't help but believe they just wanted to get whatever they could and GTFO of there. Again, that might not be the truth. Lutpin doesn't have a history of cheating people. However, he doesn't have a history of doing what he's currently doing, either.
As I said, he doesn't deserve a neg rating forever or anything and I don't think he is planning to scam but you never know. He could have paid for 3 weeks but he should have had the other 10 weeks counted already, I mean its his job |
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So as you may or may not know, Lightlord received a negative rating not long ago for not paying people on Bitvest and 777coin. He eventually did refill the escrow address and Lutpin, the ''manager'' if you can really call him that paid people on 777coin. The Bitvest escrow wallet was also filled https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545749.2880What's your point? Signature campaigns are on-demand services now? If you don't like the campaign and the manager how hard is it to just remove the signature and leave the campaign? But you won't lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545749.msg45905886#msg45905886 He also said he was busy and had problems and couldn't count the posts, that was on September 19. It's october 6th and he still hasn't counted anything, I don't know if this is really worth a negative rating but he does have 1 btc hostage and he is not paying, he has been online these days, even posted on the forum. One of the worst managers out there and he has 120+ trust. It's not even about money at this point, I don't give a shit, I barely even made 300 posts, I could have done 1k+ but this guy is so lazy it's unreal. People have lives outside of the forum and it's totally understandable to delay payments for a week or two if they have a history of paying people on time since ages. You must be fuckin retarded to call him the worst manager. Your attitude towards the reputable members on the forum and doubting their campaign management skills disgusts me. What's your point? What on demand services. They are offering a service, they are offering to pay and when they don't they should be held accountable. ''People have lives outside of the forum and it's totally understandable to delay payments for a week or two if they have a history of paying people on time since ages.'' How about 3 and counting? My attitude towards bad managers shouldn't disgust you. The guy barely posts in the threads he supposedly manages, again he even admits this himself. He didn't count posts for 12 weeks, I'm guessing you think it's fine too because he has an outside life. I guess when someone has a big amount of positive trust people will defend them no matter what, goes to show how many ass lickers in here. |
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