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1721  Economy / Securities / Re: CoinBr.MPBPT-O January success, interest rate is 9.99% on: January 26, 2013, 06:34:59 AM
MPOE announced January results. It ended up in profit, that means bondholders will receive full bond offered rate for this month: 9.99%. Thus we are pleased to announce every share of CoinBr.MPBPT-O will be liquidated at a price of 0.10999 in few hours.

Due to technical reasons, asset will be invisible during this time.

If you plan to reinvest in February, CoinBr.MPBPT-E February is staying open till tomorrow - Saturday evening (UTC). After this deadline, you may have to buy at market (presumably higher) rate, or wait for March offering.


With returns so high, it must be a ponzi Wink

Wow, that turned out pretty nice. I wonder if next month will be as good?
1722  Economy / Securities / Re: Dividend Yield Comparison on: January 26, 2013, 06:23:19 AM
That's quite a spin, Peter. SILVER has 3 upvotes and 4 downvotes. Given enough time, a week or three, it's pretty obvious I would have been approved. However I decided to list on BitFunder instead. Both exchanges have their advantages. However, in this case I feel BitFunder was the better horse for several factors including security of the wallet and the newswire. Sure, BTC-TC has some advanced features as well. Perhaps in time burnside and Ukyo can work together on a shared system and the community would benefit from that. Perhaps not, it is just an idle thought.

Hmm. WRT your other comment. I didn't mention BTC-TC above so please don't put words in my mouth. I did not (and would never) talk smack about BTC-TC. I like burnside and I respect him.

I do like the newswire, it's pretty handy!  I definitely need to consolidate all the notifications on a single page somewhere and do something similar.

Regarding the wallet security, can you elaborate?  I've gone to great lengths to secure things effectively, most recently by reducing the balances in the hot wallet and requiring manual withdrawal processing on large withdrawals.  The site now doesn't expose more than ~$1k to the internet in general, which should greatly reduce the probability of us being a target.  It's also low enough that I can easily afford to cover it if something goes wrong.  I just want to make sure there's not some outstanding issue I might be missing?

Thanks!



I really like how btct sends me an email with every transaction, dividend, and notification from the assets which I own. (Hint, hint, nudge, nudge, BitFunder *cough*, when my order gets filled I should get a notification instead of not finding out about it until I log in several hours later, and only then if I check the transaction tab)
1723  Economy / Economics / Re: How much is a chicken in BTC in your place? on: January 26, 2013, 06:16:46 AM
I'm certain that I would be able to purchase two chickens with one Bitcoin, if the market accepted Bitcoin.

It has been a while since I bought chicken (my wife usually does the grocery shopping), but I think you could get three chickens here for a bitcoin. It helps that bitcoins have been jumping up in price.

hey, you reminded me of something. Is bitcoin pegged with USD? yes it is.

What? Clearly bitcoins are not pegged to anything. On the 22nd you could get two chickens per bitcoin, but on the 25th you could get three chickens per bitcoin. That is an amazing 50% gain in three days. The USD price of chickens remained unchanged over those three days.
1724  Economy / Speculation / Re: Review of S.DICE on: January 26, 2013, 06:12:09 AM

if somone made a typo once.... he can do it again!

short all the bitcoins s.dice!

But he lost all his money on that typo, so he can't make the same mistake again.

Money will flow from the stupid/weak/careless to the smart/strong/careful.
1725  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How are BitCoins that are stored offline still tracked in the network? on: January 25, 2013, 07:35:50 PM
Huh If the BitCoins are offline, how could the BitCoin network know if they are destroyed, lost, or never to be used again?

The bitcoins are not actually stored offline. Only the private key. Imagine it like a mailbox, anybody can put money in, but only the person with the key can move the money to another box. When you make a transaction, it is like sticking some of the money out of the box with a receipt saying where to put it; the miners come along and whoever wins the miner lottery takes all the money sticking out of the boxes and puts it where the receipts say, keeping whatever tip is sticking out with it (the transaction fee) and adding a new bunch of money out of thin air (the block reward, currently 25 btc).

Having an "ofline" wallet just means that the private key for that bitcoin address is stored somewhere like written on a piece of paper, instead of having it loaded in the bitcoin wallet on your computer. In order to spend any money from the offline wallet, the address must first be imported into the client.

Bitcoins cannot be destroyed or lost, and the network does not care if you never plan to move them again (but if you lose the private key then they are pretty much lost, since there is no way to use them. I guess there are ways to destroy bitcoins, by sending them to an unusable address, but the normal client will not let you do that, there have been some people who destroyed bitcoins accidentally using custom software).
1726  Economy / Securities / Re: S.DICE passes S.MPOE, becomes largest public company in Bitcoinworld. on: January 25, 2013, 07:21:24 PM

Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

A while ago (about July 2011) I predicted that one of the major uses for bitcoins would be for investors. Shares of companies seem like one of the most natural markets for bitcoins. As more people with assets join bitcoin looking for a place to park their cash, and more people with worthwhile companies start asking for bitcoin investment, this sector will explode.

That's funny, because also a while ago (about January 2011) someone predicted that you'll post a terse note about how "everything is a scam", how "you lost all BTC" and then make yourself scarce (after, of course, having deleted a half year's worth of "valuable contributions" and other usagi-style trend setting).

And someone predicted you'll be back, too, much like that scummy fuck Harnett is dicking around on PPT-PR. That's the problem with you scammer types: no matter the size of the haul sooner or later you'll run out and have to come crawling back. Unlike the actual business people you so astutely impersonate, you're -ER.

Touche.
1727  Economy / Securities / Re: Dividend Yield Comparison on: January 25, 2013, 07:18:45 PM

Actually as an aside GLBSE was about to implement a newswire for it's securities, and this is one area where BitFunder is clearly ahead of the competition. It has a newswire. It is for reasons like this that I've chosen to list my securities exclusively on BitFunder.


So Usagi tried to list his Silver company on BTCT.co, but the moderators are sick of his nonsense and voted against allowing it. So now he jumped over to BitFunder, and he is talking smack against btct.co because he is mad at them for stopping his latest scam.

Reminds me of how Bakewell was getting tons of downvotes on BTCT and so they jumped over to BitFunder to try to erase some of the negative history.

That's quite a spin, Peter. SILVER has 3 upvotes and 4 downvotes. Given enough time, a week or three, it's pretty obvious I would have been approved. However I decided to list on BitFunder instead. Both exchanges have their advantages. However, in this case I feel BitFunder was the better horse for several factors including security of the wallet and the newswire. Sure, BTC-TC has some advanced features as well. Perhaps in time burnside and Ukyo can work together on a shared system and the community would benefit from that. Perhaps not, it is just an idle thought.

Hmm. WRT your other comment. I didn't mention BTC-TC above so please don't put words in my mouth. I did not (and would never) talk smack about BTC-TC. I like burnside and I respect him.
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I am not saying there is anything wrong with BitFunder, but it does seem strange that you came to this conclusion only after trying to list your asset on another exchange.

I guess it was in another thread where you said you had sold off your shares of LTC-Global or something like that.
1728  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin hits New York Crossword on: January 25, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
As much as I know about Bitcoin I would have never gotten that answer.

For the amount of spaces they had I would have guessed MONEY

If you got a few of the words crossing it, then it would probably jump out at you. If you did put in MONEY, then it would be ovious that was wrong as soon as you tried to do any of the crossing words. You probably would not need to know much about bitcoins to get the crossword right. I wonder how many people wikipediaed "bitcoins" while or after doing this crossword puzzle?
1729  Economy / Securities / Re: Dividend Yield Comparison on: January 25, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
Please don't use those numbers up there ^ as they're very misleading for several companies. Many(most) companies haven't been around for 90 days as BTC-TC is still pretty young. Also many GLBSE refugee companies distributed balloon dividends upon being relisted at BTC-TC which also horribly skews those numbers. You're better off creating your own spreadsheet to track this information.

bASIC-MINING's current APY is 22.5003087% not sure how it was calculated above. Last daily dividend was 0.29415609BTC paid to 1446 shares which at .34/share equates to a daily yield of 0.0616447%.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArTS7AD--9SWdDNfb0lRNElqS1k1eGRoWEw2TGM4NlE#gid=0

Actually we kinda need one (or a few) analyst blogs specializing in finance.

Actually as an aside GLBSE was about to implement a newswire for it's securities, and this is one area where BitFunder is clearly ahead of the competition. It has a newswire. It is for reasons like this that I've chosen to list my securities exclusively on BitFunder.

[BTC-TC] SILVER FAQ:

usagi, are you mentally ill?

So Usagi tried to list his Silver company on BTCT.co, but the moderators are sick of his nonsense and voted against allowing it. So now he jumped over to BitFunder, and he is talking smack against btct.co because he is mad at them for stopping his latest scam investment opportunity.

Reminds me of how Bakewell was getting tons of downvotes on BTCT and so they jumped over to BitFunder to try to erase some of the negative history.

Edit: To be fair, I have no reason to beleive that Usagi is using SILVER to scam people.
1730  Economy / Securities / Re: S.DICE passes S.MPOE, becomes largest public company in Bitcoinworld. on: January 25, 2013, 05:51:30 PM

Congrats to the winners! Shares of listed companies now account for ~12% of Bitcoin in circulation, and are likely the single largest sector of the Bitcoin economy. Our projection is that market cap of listed Bitcoin corps will be over 100% circulating Bitcoin this year or the next, what's yours?

A while ago (about July 2011) I predicted that one of the major uses for bitcoins would be for investors. Shares of companies seem like one of the most natural markets for bitcoins. As more people with assets join bitcoin looking for a place to park their cash, and more people with worthwhile companies start asking for bitcoin investment, this sector will explode.
1731  Economy / Securities / Re: Looking to borrow various assets BTCT.co/Bitfunder/LTC-Global on: January 25, 2013, 05:42:59 PM
If the asset indeed fail/scam/etc., the lender gets a bonus for lending he would not have otherwise. If it doesn't and remains the same or rise in price, the user is owed shares back + also gets a fee for lending.

If the holder's intent was to keep the shares long-term, lending them is a winning situation in any case.

Unless you go under and can't give back the shares. There is always a risk somewhere.

I wonder if you would be able to buy back shares, the volumes on most of these are really low? What volume of shares are you looking to short?
1732  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin parity: what is a bitcoin worth? on: January 25, 2013, 03:42:52 PM
Yesterday I took my family of five out to dinner at Taco Bell, we spent about the same mount as it costs to get one bitcoin now.
1733  Economy / Economics / Re: How much is a chicken in BTC in your place? on: January 25, 2013, 03:40:54 PM
I'm certain that I would be able to purchase two chickens with one Bitcoin, if the market accepted Bitcoin.

It has been a while since I bought chicken (my wife usually does the grocery shopping), but I think you could get three chickens here for a bitcoin. It helps that bitcoins have been jumping up in price.
1734  Economy / Speculation / Re: Review of S.DICE on: January 24, 2013, 10:01:55 PM

If nothing fundamentally changes other than an influx of new stock, the share price will decline.  If it's worth buying then buyers would already be bidding up the current price.  The current share price is the meeting of the CURRENT supply and demand.  If you increase the supply side, the price will go down without additional demand.  Current demand is already priced into the share price so like I said, unless there is a fundamental change to drive demand, increased supply will result in a lower share price.

Ah, but that is where the supply and demand "at a certain price" comes in. It may be worth buying at 0.005 btc/share, but not as good a deal at 0.0055 btc/share, so people do not bid up the price. But if somebody comes along ad sells more shares, that does not change the calculation of whether it is worth buying at 0.005 so people will continue buying the shares. 

its not "worth buying" at these prices.
the IPO was kinda over priced too.
as bitcoin bubbles up, it will be less and less worth it.

SatoshiDice does business in bitcoins, so having the exchange rate go up is actually good for this stock.
Obviously a large number of people did not think the IPO was overpriced, since they bought up the shares.

SatoshiDice is doing much better than my 401k, I wish there was an easy way to move some of the money over without having to pay lots of money in withdrawal fees and taxes.
1735  Economy / Speculation / Re: Review of S.DICE on: January 24, 2013, 09:04:15 PM

hype, and its over valued because it seen as the only worthwhile bitcoin investment, i think soon many new IPOs will come out, and people will sell their over bought S.DICE to diversify into these new opportunists.

also at anytime 10million more S.DICE units can be injected into the market Kiss

and think about it... S.DICE gets really unlucky one month, that means some big players got lucky, these big players quit while they are ahead, and S.DICE goes under.

its not a sure bet that's for sure...

Why do you think another 10 million shares injected would crash the price? If it is a good investment at the current price for the 1st 10% of the company, why wouldn't it be a good investment for the second 10% of the company?

Because it's supply and demand.  If you double the supply without increasing the demand, the price will go down. 

I think there should be a "at a certain price" somewhere in there. If evoorhees puts up a sell order of 10 million shares at the current price,  that would not affect the amount of dividends I get from my shares next month.

I don't need to qualify anything.  He's talking about share price, not dividends.  They are two entirely different things.

Right, share price. If evoorhees puts up a sell order for a million shares, that would not necessarily drop the price of the stock. If it is worth buying, then if more share go up for sale there will just be more people buying shares.

If nothing fundamentally changes other than an influx of new stock, the share price will decline.  If it's worth buying then buyers would already be bidding up the current price.  The current share price is the meeting of the CURRENT supply and demand.  If you increase the supply side, the price will go down without additional demand.  Current demand is already priced into the share price so like I said, unless there is a fundamental change to drive demand, increased supply will result in a lower share price.

Ah, but that is where the supply and demand "at a certain price" comes in. It may be worth buying at 0.005 btc/share, but not as good a deal at 0.0055 btc/share, so people do not bid up the price. But if somebody comes along ad sells more shares, that does not change the calculation of whether it is worth buying at 0.005 so people will continue buying the shares. 
1736  Economy / Speculation / Re: Review of S.DICE on: January 24, 2013, 08:50:59 PM
I'm shorting S.DICE  Smiley

its not crashing  Undecided

What was your logic behind an S.DICE crash?

hype, and its over valued because it seen as the only worthwhile bitcoin investment, i think soon many new IPOs will come out, and people will sell their over bought S.DICE to diversify into these new opportunists.

also at anytime 10million more S.DICE units can be injected into the market Kiss

and think about it... S.DICE gets really unlucky one month, that means some big players got lucky, these big players quit while they are ahead, and S.DICE goes under.

its not a sure bet that's for sure...

Why do you think another 10 million shares injected would crash the price? If it is a good investment at the current price for the 1st 10% of the company, why wouldn't it be a good investment for the second 10% of the company?

Because it's supply and demand.  If you double the supply without increasing the demand, the price will go down. 

I think there should be a "at a certain price" somewhere in there. If evoorhees puts up a sell order of 10 million shares at the current price,  that would not affect the amount of dividends I get from my shares next month.

I don't need to qualify anything.  He's talking about share price, not dividends.  They are two entirely different things.

Right, share price. If evoorhees puts up a sell order for a million shares, that would not necessarily drop the price of the stock. If it is worth buying, then if more share go up for sale there will just be more people buying shares.
1737  Economy / Speculation / Re: A dollar a week on: January 24, 2013, 05:06:46 PM
13.5 + 52 = 65.5 by year end
I wouldn't be surpriced.

Bitcoin was up 288% in 2012 which means a target price of $50 in 2013 is achievable.

Repeat after me: Past performance does not guarantee future results.

Repeat after me: I took this quote out of context.

Repeat after me: I can double my bitcoin by playing S.DICE

A better strategy: double your bitcoin by buying S.DICE
1738  Economy / Securities / Re: Price of ASICMINER stock once it starts trading on: January 24, 2013, 02:28:28 AM
One of the most anticipated relistings of shares in bitcoinland must be those of ASICMINER

I am wondering what price people think the shares will be trading at now that the ASICMINER project was declared a succes by Friedcat and relisting of the shares is near (less than 1 month away)

It is hard to value it until the final numbers are released. I would buy more shares if it is below 0.1, but I would sell shares above 0.5. I bet the price will jump around quite a bit when trading starts.
1739  Economy / Speculation / Re: Review of S.DICE on: January 24, 2013, 02:24:50 AM
I'm shorting S.DICE  Smiley

its not crashing  Undecided

What was your logic behind an S.DICE crash?

hype, and its over valued because it seen as the only worthwhile bitcoin investment, i think soon many new IPOs will come out, and people will sell their over bought S.DICE to diversify into these new opportunists.

also at anytime 10million more S.DICE units can be injected into the market Kiss

and think about it... S.DICE gets really unlucky one month, that means some big players got lucky, these big players quit while they are ahead, and S.DICE goes under.

its not a sure bet that's for sure...

Why do you think another 10 million shares injected would crash the price? If it is a good investment at the current price for the 1st 10% of the company, why wouldn't it be a good investment for the second 10% of the company?

Because it's supply and demand.  If you double the supply without increasing the demand, the price will go down. 

I think there should be a "at a certain price" somewhere in there. If evoorhees puts up a sell order of 10 million shares at the current price,  that would not affect the amount of dividends I get from my shares next month.
1740  Economy / Speculation / Re: Review of S.DICE on: January 23, 2013, 10:02:25 PM
I'm shorting S.DICE  Smiley

its not crashing  Undecided

What was your logic behind an S.DICE crash?

hype, and its over valued because it seen as the only worthwhile bitcoin investment, i think soon many new IPOs will come out, and people will sell their over bought S.DICE to diversify into these new opportunists.

also at anytime 10million more S.DICE units can be injected into the market Kiss

and think about it... S.DICE gets really unlucky one month, that means some big players got lucky, these big players quit while they are ahead, and S.DICE goes under.

its not a sure bet that's for sure...

Why do you think another 10 million shares injected would crash the price? If it is a good investment at the current price for the 1st 10% of the company, why wouldn't it be a good investment for the second 10% of the company?
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