I think it is too late to switch now. Too many people are used to using BTC.
It is not too late to switch. I have seen several places that use the XBT abbreviation. I works well for places that do foreign exchange, where you see the other currency codes. We will see over time, but I suspect that soon everybody will recognize both XBT and btc as abbreviations for bitcoins, just as you might see gold abbreviated XAU or Au, depending on the context. |
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It's not a rate, it's a percentage of profits.
10000*0.01% = 100%
(OMG is pankkake a BitcoinBourse shill now?!)
Strange way of introducing shares. |
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Dividend per share : 0.01%
Dividend payout : Monthly
Wow, that is a horribly low rate! A whole 0.12 % per year, I get a better rate than that putting money in my savings account at my bank. If you want people to invest in your high risk schemes you will have to offer a better payout than that. |
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@fluffypony: WoT total is under 5500 users and most do not do very much except to have account. During 10 or 11 months past the WoT has grown only 25% and forum has grown more than 150%. Therefore most people in WoT are old time users or dormant accounts and WoT is popular for scammers there because old time users more likely have many old bitcoins which did not need very much capital to buy. Yes some old time users like WoT very much and scammers like WoT very much and most bitcoin people do not care.
Refusing to join the Web of Trust is a red flag, indicating that you are trying to hide something. |
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Firstly, Peter, excellent response above. Really made me take a step back and rethink.
Until now..
They charge a 30 BTC fee?
Their largest stock by a mile is their own stock. This just makes them a huge Ponzi scheme no?
All this talk of failing stocks on havelock, when was the last time mpex listed a successful stock?
The 30 btc lets you trade directly on the exchange. You can get that lowered by having a referral. You can also use a broker and entirely avoid paying that fee (for example, you could use CoinBr). I seem to remember Havelock saying they charge 1 btc per month to have a an asset listed on their exchange. Even without the referral discount, that 30 btc fee for registering with MPEx is only 2.5 years of monthly fees at Havelock. If you do not think your company will last more than two years, maybe you should not be selling stock in it and should secure a loan instead. First, define what you mean by successful? Better question is when was the last time mpex listed an unsuccessful stock? If you look at Havelock, almost nothing is above the IPO price. The stocks on MPEx are pretty much all up from where they started. |
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MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells. The owner of MPEx has multiple aliases that he posts boosting his own image. The first post "Peter Lambert" posted on this thread, was a copy paste they have posted on other security threads before.
MPEx is being investigated by the SEC, and there is a fair chance the MPEx owner will be charged and extradited in the next year or so. Google it, there are a few articles about it. Not to mention the ridiculous 30 BTC fee, and a site that looks like its pre 2000.
Havelock is the best exchange, the NeoBee is a big loss, but you cannot put that solely on havelock. They have a great interface + fair fees. Personally, I like cryptostocks except for the amount of scams on it, use a good password + 2FA and your account should be good to go. I also like litecoininvest, but its LTC only at the moment.
Cheers
Oh, I copy/pasted my reply? Then I bet you could point to where I copied it from ... I'll wait, take your time. Havelock should look to MPEx for how to publish timely, informative financial reports. Cryptostocks is great, if you are the kind of guy who invests in places that guarantee to "return half your money in half a year, or less!" |
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If they were faking volume, why would they only be doing it on one listing instead of all the stocks?
Because its their stock? It's allot easier to get away with? Do you work with or are you friends with MP? Are you actually Peter lambert or did you buy this account?? Sorry for all the questions but I can't for the life of me understand why you are recommending this exchange. You honestly think millions of dollars each week are traded in MPEx each week? Solely on the stock of the exchange itself? The guy who runs MPEx is also closely involved in one way or another with many of the other listings there, I see no reason it would be any easier to fake volume of S.MPOE than S.BBET. I do not work with MP any more than being an investor in some of his companies (and I have a link to CoinBR in my sig in case other people want to invest too). Yes, I am actually Peter Lambert. (But if I wasn't, that is what I would say too! If you really want, I could gpg sign something or sign with one of my bitcoin addresses proving I am who I say). There seem to be a few early adopters who have invested in MPEx, early adopters are all sitting on mountains of bitcoins, as everybody knows. But.. But... Millions of pounds traded each week? The largest stock on the exchange is the stock itself. There has been barely any new/good investments on it for years. The site itself looks like a high school project at best. I understand what your saying about time, but has anyone thought that there just simpily isn't enough money on the exchange to run away with? That they are trying to rebuild before doing a runner?
How many people here actually invest on that site? Seriously? Millions of pounds worth of people?
Sorry. I just don't believe it. Every red flag in my head is going absolutely bonkers
Think of it this way: If you had hundreds of bitcoins, would you invest with the anonymous guy with a flashy website that lets anybody in and changes terms constantly and suffers from periodic security breaches, or would you invest with somebody who gives out their identity, focuses on ironclad security from the beginning, and sets terms in signed contracts and sticks with those terms? The website is functional; when dealing in hundreds or thousands of bitcoins, security and function are much more important than how it looks. And, to continue fixing grammar: Dear Anotheranonlol,
I hope your well has some water in it.
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How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.
Your You're being sarcastic , right? No, I am being serious. Thanks for the lesson in grammar. The Internet is a much better place with people like you correcting everyone's English. But seriously, is this like double sarcasm? I can't believe that you are serious You honestly think the exchange where the only really active stock is the exchange itself is the most serious exchange? You've gotta be kidding. And hold on, you think that volume is legitimate? You think people are actually investing in that site and the volume isn't faked? Dude... Seriously?!! You're welcome, I am glad to help you learn to write better. No, it is not sarcasm (and that is not triple sarcasm either). If I was not being serious I would admit that. If they were faking volume, why would they only be doing it on one listing instead of all the stocks? |
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How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.
Your You're being sarcastic , right? No, I am being serious. Maybe I should go into more detail? Havlock seems nice, but their reputation has been damaged by the recent NEOBBQ drama and their own listing, HIF. Cryptostocks is run by a known scammer, bitcoinbourse will let any scammer list. I am not sold on distributed exchanges. That leaves MPEx, the oldest exchange, they have a reputation to uphold, they use solid signed contracts for their listings, and they promote transparency (EG issuing detailed monthly reports instead of quarterly reports which do not include information an investor needs). |
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I absolutely hate that some of your lower priced securities like CBTC always show .0001 when in reality there is a huge difference from .0001 and .0002 that does not get displayed. This would be an excellent change.
Leave it as prices quoted in bitcoins, but PLEASE stop rounding off after a few places! Just show the whole price out to 8 decimals. |
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How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.
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Bump.
What's bright orange and sounds like a parrot?
A carrot.
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Well, that didn't last long.
Another smear on the reputation of Havelock.
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Updates are on the trilema website, http://trilema.com/category/smg/. I don't think they plan on putting any more updates on this forum. You can always join the #bitcoin-assets channel on IRC freenode.net if you want more information. |
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this thread makes me want to cry. BTC is much more valiant of a nomenclature  This. I will stick with BTC. There is no reason to go with an X for the word Bitcoin.... The X is not for the word "bitcoin" any more than the X is for the word "gold" in XAU. |
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Is that supposed to be a joke? MPEx is a scam site [citation needed] that is about to be shut down by the FBI [citation needed]. All the volumes on their are manipulated [citation needed] and users are leaving it in increasing numbers [citation needed]. The owner is being actively investigated by the SEC [citation needed] - it is a matter of time before he is extradited [citation needed]. Don't believe all the rumors you hear on this site. If you are still looking for options, to start a project you could try https://bitcoinstarter.com/, which works something like Kickstarter. |
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With all the bad news from vircurex (which includes cryptostocks), is there any place someone could list their project on ?
What about doing direct shares and skipping the exchanges?
What sort of project is it? You could try MPEx ( mpex.co) or Havelock ( havelockinvestments.com). A nice place to start is on IRC, #bitcoin-assets on freenode.net http://bitcoin-assets.com/ |
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This apparent absence of thriving extraterrestrial civilizations suggests that at least one of the steps from humble planet to interstellar civilization is exceedingly unlikely. The absence could be caused because either intelligent life is extremely rare or intelligent life has a tendency to go extinct. This bottleneck for the emergence of alien civilizations from any one of the many billions of planets is referred to as the Great Filter.
Or a more reasonable explanation: it is very hard to cross interstellar distances. There could be intelligent life on Kepler 186f right now, but there is no way for us to contact them and there is no way for them to contact us. We could design a vehicle that would go explore there (maybe using solar sails and gravimetric acceleration slingshotting around intervening stars), but it would still take millennia to get there. Maybe they sent an exploratory probe when they discovered the earth millions of years ago, but it came by 400 years ago and we missed it. Maybe they are not as developed as we are? Maybe there is intelligent life there, but they just are not interested in astronomy? |
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This "empty space" idea is a holdover from scattering experiments performed during the dawn of the 20th century. Most of the space in an atom is composed by the probability distribution of the electrons in the atom.
These experiments, if I am thinking of the same ones you are, more properly explain that most of the atom is "not the nucleus", not that most of the atom is "empty space". Of course, they still teach the Bohr model in schools, so it is no surprise that people get confused even after taking "some chemistry". The atom is like a solar system. The nucleus is the sun and the electrons is the planets. right. that's why it goes 2,8,8,16. just like the sun and the universe You mean 2, 2, 6, 2, 6, 2, 10, 6? |
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This "empty space" idea is a holdover from scattering experiments performed during the dawn of the 20th century. Most of the space in an atom is composed by the probability distribution of the electrons in the atom.
These experiments, if I am thinking of the same ones you are, more properly explain that most of the atom is "not the nucleus", not that most of the atom is "empty space". Of course, they still teach the Bohr model in schools, so it is no surprise that people get confused even after taking "some chemistry". The atom is like a solar system. The nucleus is the sun and the electrons is the planets. They are really quite different. Planets move in predictable, stable orbits around the sun, leaving lots of empty space between everything. Electrons move in probabalistic clouds filling all the space around the nucleus, leaving no empty space anywhere. |
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