so many angry dudes here  have they all been paycoined?  i guess i am late for this scam.. but i will still try to get some paycons, maybe not too late for those I think most just hang around and comment on stuff, personally I just troll and help keep them honest because this is a great drama story and I have no TV now that it's all digital boxes  I have never owned any PayCoin at any point in time but not sure about others. |
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yes there is no cult: I do believe anyone that believes otherwise (haters/trolls) need to wait for time to pass and the real truth will eventually be revealed to you. oo savior please reveal the real truth!! we blindly follow you!  faith based investment sounds so good!  Considering Carsen believes himself to be a competent coin coder, I'd like to know what exactly he thinks is so great about XPY, technically speaking. I don't mean in terms of it regularly magicking up a shitload of coins for a select few people, either. Yes, it doesn't matter what he believes himself, Carson SCAMMED people because he lied to people in order to unfairly profit off them. Carson is a coward because he can't even face his problems head on since it was the Bitcointalk community he scammed not forum.gethashing, this goes for Josh too. They are all about transparency and trust and whatnot but can't even have the balls to come here and talk with people head on and take some flak.  |
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I agree. Dude just touched a nerve. The vast majority of the things he's charging CCN with happened before I worked here. He's mischaracterizing the things that have happened while I've worked here. Etc. But yeah, I shouldn't over-react. Probably I shouldn't have reacted at all.
Meh. It's good to defend your position but best not to attack, if you start name calling then you've already lost. Rule number 101 of forum fighting. |
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We do not take bribes.
Is there something we've not done in regards to Paycoin that we should be doing? Scott Fargo's reviews of GAW hardware are not the only writing we've done about them, you know. We've done all this knowing that Garza is willing to waste his lawyer's time and his own money by suing us. It's yet to happen, but we've done it anyway.
And still fucks like you persist with your "takes bribes" accusations. Here's an idea: try to bribe David Parker and let us know how it goes.
Are you affiliated with CCN? Don't you have some advertisers dicks that need sucking? Pathetic excuse for a crypto news site. You are an embarrassment. So don't fucking come here acting all "Holier than thou" Funny. The Paycoiners are saying exactly the same thing about us these days. Yes, and do you know why? Because the paychecks from Garza has dried up now haven't they, so now you attack GAW and Paycoin. You money grubbing fucks. I remember very recently your entire site was a wall-to-wall advert for this scam, even with adblock activated. You were putting out regular "news articles" praising Garza, gaw, and Paycoin when the rest of the crypto community knew what a fraud this had become. According to the leaked emails Garza even had a chance to authorize your articles before they were published. You have a fucking nerve coming here acting like nothing is wrong. Actually the leaked e-mails confirm the opposite: that Garza was pissed about my "paycoin promises unkept" article, and thought I owed him a courtesy call. In fact, I did reach out to his lawyers, they didn't answer, so I ran without their comment. https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/?s=josh+garzahttps://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/?s=gawYou'll note that almost every article which is even remotely positive about GAW or Josh Garza was written by one guy. You have some nerve spewing a bunch of unsupported bullshit. The fact is that all of the articles that Garza took issue with remained as they were published. What, it's wrong to sell advertising to the highest bidder? Neal Rauhauser was fired for going personally to war with CoinFire.io and insinuating publicly that he had DDoS'd them on behalf of the GAW community. My articles remained unchanged even after legal threats and literally hundreds of negative comments from GAW shills.At present we haven't even replaced GAW in terms of advertising, and we're not sweating it. Things will pick up. In the meantime, people like you can keep making up all the stories you want and pretending you're not friends with some other outlet. If you're going to lie, though, you're going to have to do better than that!Look, if you want to be a credible reporter you need to defend your position in a credible way.... See all the bolded stuff, if you removed that it would say the exact same thing but your point becomes much more respectable. |
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I'm flattered. This Paytard thinks he can blackmail my retraction/firing/and public apology all with documents which are most likely fake:    I'm trying to figure out who we have that writes for Bitscan. Oh, but looking closer, these are from July. There is only one July in our history, so blacking out the "4" is retarded. That makes the search easier. I encourage him to publish the documents. It won't cast a dark shadow over us. It's a writer you're talking about, not David Parker, not me. Trying to blackmail my firing is immoral and illegal on so many levels. And so typical of these fucking douchebag cultists, I might add. I find this funny because first it was an opinion piece and that it was stated as such which means they can't do shit. Also why if it isn't a cult then why is mutant following Josh's orders so readily and getting so emotional over a journalist saying something negative, and it only makes them look worse by getting angry over it (they get pissed and confirms they are actually big bags of douche). FOREVER..... |
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Hmm, interesting. It isn't such a good idea to just release a bunch of Coins as if you are going to develop on them only to dump Coins and abandon it. The thing is that there were a few people that did say some of his Coins were quite good and went where he'd clone them, do some work on them and call it original, dump the premine and repeat. It IS kinda scammy since people are expecting the premine to be used for the advancement of the Coin so people get mad when they are lied to for personal profit. Seems like he wants to try and make it up but it would likely take a while for him to regain that reputation. I think if Carson really wants to improve his rep then he should do some free development for some active Coins and help people around the community to rebuild that trust.To say I am a different person than I was 6 months ago doesn't actually mean too much because a person doesn't change that much in 6 months, actions speak louder than words. |
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I wonder how many real accounts are left on hashtalk since it's likely a good majority of them are fake accounts considering there is so much banning going on. My guess would be about 30 real people?
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Good find, ikeboy. You have uncovered 1 transaction going to a real person , coming from the mixing groups. Well done. How does that change that the other 99.999% of transactions go to either exchanges or accumulator wallets? When you are done tracing all of those, then you can work on an explaination of how these mixing transactions kept occurring the whole time Paybase was locked up and people could not do transactions. You said that zero transactions went to customers, I disproved that. Many addresses have been in use for months, but don't show up in google searches other than blockchain results. Those probably belong to individuals who didn't post it online. It's not possible to prove one way or another who such an address belongs to, and note that what I said above was that it's possible for it to be matching withdrawals, not that it was definite. They could be skimming off also. And as for paybase being down, which I didn't test at the time, there could have been a backlog that was approved while it was down. Was it down during the entire range of transactions? Incorrect, I said that of those that I personally checked I did not find any. Thank you for finding one. That does not change the fact that damn near all of them still go to accumulator addresses, and certainly does nothing to explain why all of these transactions continued even when Paybase was locked up and no one could do transactions. Please, continue. And thank you for making sure this discussion of GAW / Josh Garza & Co. , continuing to dump massive amounts of Paycoin (XPY) into the markets every day. I am glad you are doing your part to make sure that any search of GAW, Paycoin Scam, XPY Scam, Josh Garza, Homero Garza, H. Josh Garza, scam, scammer, crpto scamme, fraud, etc. will direct here. Please continue! You said you checked thousands. I checked much less than that and found two, so if you really checked thousands you should have found at least one. And even many of the ones not tied to accounts were still used for a while. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by accumulator, but if it just means an address that never sent out coins, then it isn't true that most transactions went to one of those for the bunch I looked through. And I did give an explanation for why there could be withdrawals when paybase was down. You are quite welcome to believe what you like. I checked many , many addresses and all of them that I checked all lead back to accumulator addresses. Why exactly are you not posting any of those? And, for the record, your explanation of how Paybase transactions continue while no one has access to their accounts at the same rate as when Paybase was open is amusing and shows how desperate you are to try to make your scam dog hero Homero look like something other than the scam dog scammy scammer that he is. Please, continue. And thank you for making sure this discussion of GAW / Josh Garza & Co. , continuing to dump massive amounts of Paycoin (XPY) into the markets every day. I am glad you are doing your part to make sure that any search of GAW, Paycoin Scam, XPY Scam, Josh Garza, Homero Garza, H. Josh Garza, scam, scammer, crpto scamme, fraud, etc. will direct here. Please continue! The transaction you said you started from was https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481633.htm. I went through the previous ten transactions and copied the address coins were sent to. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481631.htm :PMtCumrpBRsGgoLfNggdWTjzVmVtiuz9UN https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481629.htm :PB3UBQhoxKy9Sa913TgQr7zaGA3efHk5fQ https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481626.htm :PMtCumrpBRsGgoLfNggdWTjzVmVtiuz9UN https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481623.htm :PMtCumrpBRsGgoLfNggdWTjzVmVtiuz9UN https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481620.htm :PSHjvTzm7jeLZwVcLC3D1jhMs4iE7SCDzS https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481616.htm :PAB3LqnnZqqukEarqE7UAXmaDKaVBMiY28 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481612.htm :P9Z7T5LLLJqxb13rUp83qy6AoyF1L7UDwY https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481590.htm :PVVf3m3sSgX5r1Mc9uMJ2syJqQUZ6FK1nb https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481569.htm :PRE3cnyuxFbQfye8Z1wwd3sduSQVVGVCy7 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?481555.htm :PCiWsrmRW49p67cBAKGzKpEPpyGPHYoKKG https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PMtCumrpBRsGgoLfNggdWTjzVmVtiuz9UN.htm has been in use a long time, and looks consistent with a private wallet. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PB3UBQhoxKy9Sa913TgQr7zaGA3efHk5fQ.htm leads to https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PD8Bbe7hUYsEHrXAAjbrYpKk5QHmAFfuoE.htm, which has a bunch of tiny stakes, strongly suggestive of an individual. Gaw has no need to stake small amounts when they can prime stake. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PSHjvTzm7jeLZwVcLC3D1jhMs4iE7SCDzS.htm has been in use over a month. PAB3LqnnZqqukEarqE7UAXmaDKaVBMiY28 has been in use over 3 months, and the staking pattern also suggests individual. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?P9Z7T5LLLJqxb13rUp83qy6AoyF1L7UDwY.htm is cryptsy, in use almost 3 months. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PVVf3m3sSgX5r1Mc9uMJ2syJqQUZ6FK1nb.htm has been in use a couple of weeks, and also has the tiny staking pattern. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PRE3cnyuxFbQfye8Z1wwd3sduSQVVGVCy7.htm has only two transactions, and at first glance looks mixing. It doesn't connect directly to any interesting addresses. Only one on the list that looks suspicious, and it's for 10 xpy. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?PCiWsrmRW49p67cBAKGzKpEPpyGPHYoKKG.htm has the same staking pattern and has been around since last year. I traced through several thousand transactions and can say that nearly all transactions are akin to a program being run by one computer. You stated that GAW wouldn't stake Coins if they have the prime controllers, this is false because if they only staked the prime controllers that all the Coins would compound indefinitely so the tiny Stakes are needed to keep the Blockchain moving. The pattern of the shuffle suggests that there are very few actual withdrawals and if withdrawals are happening then all the withdrawals could be released. The actual amount of use of Coins on any Blockchain are very low to begin with, most everyone hold on to Coins and never trades them. An active Staking Coin with high inflation gets a high stake rate from it's userbase, one with less than 5%, people don't even bother because it's so low and just leaves it on exchanges. The amount of people moving Coins around to exchanges would be less than 500 XPY a day. The pattern is shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, dance, dump, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, dump, dance, shuffle, repeat You gotta get the steps just right though |
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Are the GAWngsters in jail already? (Edit: GAWngsters includes TeamXPY / the Paycoin "foundation") Yeah well I guess whatever was "hacked" from the PayCoin wallet really means nothing considering more Coins were generated in 3 minutes than what people could Stake in an entire year, and right before the big sell-off too. Most, if not all Coins going to Cryptsy are coming from the premine wallet and they even reuse a lot of the same addresses. Then again there might only be around 10,000 Coins in the wild considering all the hashtalkers leave their Coins in PayBase since the local wallet doesn't work properly. The thing is that PayBase could allow withdrawals as there are transactions which flow out of PayBase as well as Staking (which means it's online and working), if there are some transactions then that means that all transactions could be released. PayBase online and Staking https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/block.dws?114029.htmZenCloud online and Staking https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/block.dws?114142.htmAnd this transaction here is very interesting because the 12k comes from a balance of 30,000+ (as far back as I traced) and wittles down to less than 5k and adds little bits to Cryptsy, Bittrex and even PayBase. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/block.dws?114287.htmThis one is interesting, 917 XPY directly from the premine https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/block.dws?114306.htmAnd this one, about 2800 all to Cryptsy in one go https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/block.dws?114497.htmNot seeing where people are being able to withdraw their funds though or being released from PayBase, I'd be interested to see what was exactly where it took place and how much. If funds were stolen then Cryptsy could be able to track down who it was fairly easily, hence why the TXid's and amounts are important. |
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Why are TXid's important?
In the BTER hack last month they released the information of the stolen funds for everyone to see, this allows for the amount and the ability to trace the path of the funds and ultimately the person responsible.
If PayCoin.com was hacked and Coins were in fact stolen, then you would want to show the amounts and the TXid's of the transactions for transparency and traceability to allow as many people as possible to uncover the identity of the hacker. The first red flag I saw was that they only stated a small amount was taken, and then when people asked about how much it was there was question dodging with some saying "oh my coins are gone (but how much??)" and then stating "oh now it's back" but never any statement as to how much anyone actually lost.
It should have been easy to provide the TXid's and amounts but if it was an inside job then it would prove that, however the TXid's don't actually need to be given, you can take the time of the post of the "hack" and look through the Blockchain ledger and find the transactions that went to Cryptsy (as all other Coins are locked up, and no one has local wallets) and trace it back to it's origin.
I guess the turd doesn't fall far from the ass. TeamXPY is every bit as corrupt, censoring, two faced as Josh Garza ever was. So the security breach post was made March 25th at 2pm which would make the hack happen between Blocks 114500 (March 25th, 5am) to Block 115500 (March 26th, 6am) as a rough determination, it shouldn't be that difficult to check through 1000 Blocks and find out how much was taken. |
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So, now the story with the Paycoin.com "hack" is that the coins moved to exchanges, and it just so happens that most (all?) of the hacked wallets were the people running the exchange, and now the coins have been replaced with "foundation coins". And, everyone else had their funds (BTC and XPY locked up for over a week. WTF? What kind of a nincompoop would believe such bullshit?   My inner Columbo says that this was likely an inside job, stealing coins from the foundation and having the added bonus of locking everyone elses funds up so they are not competition as they are dumped on exchanges, and of course there is the very real possibility of doing some naked shorting with the clients coins and replacing them with coins repurchased at lower value after dumping them, pocketing the difference. WWJD?So let me get this right, Sciborg , from TeamXPY is saying that the TeamXPY wallet balances were sent to exchanges, presumably dumped, then TeamXPY get their balances topped back up for free with 'foundation' coins, you know, to make up for their unfortunate loss and when another forum member asks for the txid info etc. to show the details of how everything went down, they are basically told,"because shut up! That's why!." Nothing suspicious about 'TeamXPY' at all, no sir, nope all is fine and dandy in 'TeamXPY' land. in fact they are so on the ball and busy saving the Xpy community from all the bad people, the 'others', they were able to immediately credit all the TeamXPY account balances with the amount that was 'hacked' from all the TeamXPY accounts and, in doing so, the 'people' were saved. All hail the TeamXPY saviours of the Paycoin faithful. Tx id you say? FUDDER FUDDER FUDDER, shut him down now! The nonexistent TXid's was the first thing I noticed and pointed it out several times because I also know that there are many hashtalkers who lurk here as well. Why are TXid's important? In the BTER hack last month they released the information of the stolen funds for everyone to see, this allows for the amount and the ability to trace the path of the funds and ultimately the person responsible. If PayCoin.com was hacked and Coins were in fact stolen, then you would want to show the amounts and the TXid's of the transactions for transparency and traceability to allow as many people as possible to uncover the identity of the hacker. The first red flag I saw was that they only stated a small amount was taken, and then when people asked about how much it was there was question dodging with some saying "oh my coins are gone (but how much??)" and then stating "oh now it's back" but never any statement as to how much anyone actually lost. It should have been easy to provide the TXid's and amounts but if it was an inside job then it would prove that, however the TXid's don't actually need to be given, you can take the time of the post of the "hack" and look through the Blockchain ledger and find the transactions that went to Cryptsy (as all other Coins are locked up, and no one has local wallets) and trace it back to it's origin. |
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Any plans to add paycon? Since paycoin turned out to be backed by that homero scamming company and removed - you could add a legit paycon Yeahhhhhhhhhh.... no.  Why not? PayCon is awesome, decentralized, with no ICO/IPO |
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Ok I have a challenge for you guys, how will this all end? what do you see as the final chapter of PayCoin, will it thrive or will it die? lets see if we can come up with some creative stories! |
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Another gem for the museum:  That's the new math Garbozo invented while smashing up a nice blue crystal of MEthyMeTH. I heard something about this, is it a rumour or some fact behind this? |
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Downloading the wallet and taking a look see at the code.
Sounds great, I'll even drop you a couple Coins as well. Forums don't like posting addresses, you could pm it to me or put it in your signature. |
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I guess we will see, I don't want to really want go after Cryptsy myself because I wouldn't want to sabotage markets I'm actively perusing and like the staff they have but I think it might end up costing them a fair bit if the SEC starts throwing down charges.
You see this kind of attitude annoys me. It's like you are saying you don't want this scam to totally implode because it's going to burn a hole in your wallet. I, on the other hand know that if subpoenas or search and seizure warrants were issued against cryptsy then that would instantly kill Garza's only revenue stream. You seem to have a conflict of interest. You want paycoin and Garza to crash and burn but as long as it isn't detrimental to your profits. I think as this scam reaches it's conclusion later in 2015 cryptsy will have serious legal questions to answer. Cryptsy is also an integral part of the Cryptocurrency system and undoubtably a very large market so I want to get PayCon added but then if I'm going there trying to lead lawsuits against them etc. then I would also be shooting myself in the foot. Of course I want to see a resolution but I also want to make profits as well so then what would you recommend? why dont we create a $21 floor and make our own exchange..... we can call it ConEx or ExCon or ConX I think that would defeat the purpose of creating a completely decentralized Coin with organic growth, if there was a $21 floor then people would immediately sell into the floor and would require 100 million dollars!!! Would be better to focus on creating ConStand, the online marketplace where you could list items for PayCon and choose your prices, that way people either need to own those Coins already and want to give it up for the particular item, or need to buy Coins from exchanges in order to get the item which would quickly drive up prices. If it just costs $20 to buy enough Coins to buy a PS2 or other items when you could easily sell it for profit on ebay (or use it) then it doesn't really matter what the price of the Coin is and drives more profits for the userbase. Coming from a lower marketcap, the holders would then turn around and put up sell orders/move Coins on to the exchanges which would drop difficulty and those holding would Stake more Coins. This can be applied as well to real world uses as well such as using the Coin for events. Parties and events cost very little, you could sell tickets to a particular event along with drinks, merchandise and food at a large discount, people would need to buy the coin in order to get the discount (or pay cash at full price) and drives up price, holders inject liquidity into the market and all other holders receive larger payouts for holding. |
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I guess we will see, I don't want to really want go after Cryptsy myself because I wouldn't want to sabotage markets I'm actively perusing and like the staff they have but I think it might end up costing them a fair bit if the SEC starts throwing down charges.
You see this kind of attitude annoys me. It's like you are saying you don't want this scam to totally implode because it's going to burn a hole in your wallet. I, on the other hand know that if subpoenas or search and seizure warrants were issued against cryptsy then that would instantly kill Garza's only revenue stream. You seem to have a conflict of interest. You want paycoin and Garza to crash and burn but as long as it isn't detrimental to your profits. I think as this scam reaches it's conclusion later in 2015 cryptsy will have serious legal questions to answer. Cryptsy is also an integral part of the Cryptocurrency system and undoubtably a very large market so I want to get PayCon added but then if I'm going there trying to lead lawsuits against them etc. then I would also be shooting myself in the foot. Of course I want to see a resolution but I also want to make profits as well so then what would you recommend? |
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I put in a request to coinpayments.net to have PayCon added
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I hope cryptsy gets shutdown for helping Homero
Cryptsy just offering a way to trade Poopcoin in good faith. Maybe they didnīt knew what scheme stands behind this coin to begin with. If those leaked emails and the rumors are even 10% true they could get in trouble for supporting Money laundering scheme very easyly ? Cryptsy makes a lot of money through the trade fees on a daily basis but they are a legal and registered entity within the United States so there is the real possibility of them being shut down (or atleast some very large fines) for knowingly allowing money laundering and fraud to happen through their system. You can't just cover your ears and close your eyes and pretend you don't know, it doesn't work like that. legal and registered entity within the United States? OMG didnīt knew that Yeah they make a lot of fees but it could backfire and PayCoin cost them way more at the end than they earned with it. I guess they donīt know they are playing with fire and will play a big role in the investigations. I guess we will see, I don't want to really want go after Cryptsy myself because I wouldn't want to sabotage markets I'm actively perusing and like the staff they have but I think it might end up costing them a fair bit if the SEC starts throwing down charges. |
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