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1841  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: What is the advantage of HD Wallets? on: September 29, 2018, 10:25:15 AM
there is no security compromise if you treat the xpub key just as you would treat a private key (ie. never have it touch an online device).

Isn't the whole purpose of the xpub key to be used as a sort of watch-only wallet ?

I don't see any practical reason to have a xpub key, without using it on an online machine as a watch-only wallet.
There is no use for the xpub key on an offline machine (IMO).

[...]

Sure Smiley

What I mean to say is this -- if you're paranoid about having your private keys derived due to using a HD wallet, then refrain from using a watch-only wallet. One can still benefit from using a HD wallet without exporting its xpub key.

Even in cases where using an xpub key is absolutely necessary (eg. when automatically generating addresses to accept online payments as a merchant) one is not forced to use the xpub key of their cold storage wallet. Just use the xpub key to generate addresses for incoming payments and forward them to hardcoded cold storage addresses from there.

Granted, in general treating the xpub key like a private key might be a bit excessive. But there are cases where this level of paranoia may make sense or where needless exposure of the xpub key is just taking unnecessary risk.
1842  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Decentralized, Bitcoin-based anti-spam solution on: September 29, 2018, 09:50:56 AM
If you idea was really implemented,99% of your customers would run away from your service and switch to the "free" spam-friendly services. Grin
Nobody wants to send bitcoins to an escrow address just to use an email service.It's just isn't convenient and user-friendly.Phone or ID verification can do a way better job with fighting spammers.

OP mentioned above that this approach would target a privacy-centric userbase for which phone or ID verification are not an option. While the majority of users don't care about their privacy and personal data there's definitely a need for less intrusive anti-spam measures.
1843  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [Proposal] Solution for 51% attack - Proof of Online on: September 28, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
it's same way too 51% attack and withholding attack.

No.

51% attacks may involve withholding blocks, but they not necessarily do.

Withholding blocks is more effective with the majority hashrate, but is not a prequisite for such an attack.


if attacker can withholding block ,how attach network without 51% hashrate ?

Selfish mining (an economical attack on fellow miners):
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/selfish-mining-a-25-attack-against-the-bitcoin-network-1383578440/

Finney Attack (a double-spend attack):
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4942/what-is-a-finney-attack


if attacker can 51% hashrate , how attack without withholding block ?

An attacker that has the majority hashrate does not even need to bother with withholding blocks. They have full control over which transactions make their way onto the blockchain and can ensure that blocks found by their competitors always end up orphaned due to being able to outmine the minority hashrate for as long as they control more than 50% of the hashing power.



holding block/selfish mining
[...]
Can't be used invalidate recent transaction/block
[...]

The Finney attack mentioned above is a block withholding attack that can be used to invalidate the recent block without running majority hashrate.

For the most part it seems to be rather uneconomical though and is easily thwarted by waiting for at least 1 confirmation.
1844  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Sending Bitcoin to Electrum on: September 27, 2018, 03:24:01 PM
[...]

Do you need the legacy address or new style address?

New Style address: 1Asw9BGefMxkG4TTUhs1fsiKuyCqRmeccy

For the record, Bitcoin addresses starting with "1" are legacy addresses, which in your case is actually a good thing.

However...

I have noticed I sent the transaction from my BCH wallet and not my BTC wallet, does that make a difference on trying to find the funds?

Block Explorer said "no matching records found" Angry

Your transaction number does show up neither on BCH nor on BTC block explorers. Same goes for the address 1Asw9BGefMxkG4TTUhs1fsiKuyCqRmeccy. If you merely sent coins on the wrong Bitcoin blockchain the transaction should have appeared on at least one of the block explorers. However it seems like the address is incorrect as well.

Which wallet did you use to send your coins from? Bitcoin ABC? Can you double-check your transaction history to which address you sent the coins to?
1845  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Top of the best platforms for cloud mining on: September 27, 2018, 02:53:12 PM
Protip for newcomers: Stay away from cloud mining. Worst case you're getting scammed, best case you're getting hashing power for a price that will never turn a profit. Don't underestimate difficulty increases, my friends.
It's incredibly difficult to make people actually listen to what we are saying here. In most cases they jump into cloud mining after having watched paid shills on YouTube praise generating passive income through cloud mining.

Oh definitely. I still think it's worth repeating though, in case someone starts doing research of their own beyond YouTube and happens to stumble upon a thread like this.


Maybe it's time to start reporting these YouTubers on a large scale, because these YouTubers are one of the main reasons newbies still think cloud mining is profitable enough to invest in.

Most people search for cloud mining reviews and demonstrations on Google and then mostly end up on YouTube. YouTube was also a major factor with how paid shills there made BitConnect look like a solid investment.

I doubt it would amount to anything unfortunately. It's a slippery slope for one (a couple years back you could have argued the same about Bitcoin -- in crypto the borders between speculative and scammy are very blurred for an outsider), secondly even the advertisements being run on YouTube have sank to a level where I've seen straight up HYIPs being promoted.

Why would people believe your nonsense? Cloud mining is as real as ever!

[...]

Because people have mined with both physical hardware and mining contracts before, know some basic math and are not as inexperienced as some of the newcomers cloud mining companies try to sell their contracts to.

Even assuming the hashrate actually exists, offering cloud mining services is merely a way to pass on the majority of the risk of the initial investment on to an unsuspecting customer. Why wait for your mining infrastructure to reach ROI some time in the unpredictable future when you, as a mining company, can get your money right now by selling your hashrate to some easy victim? All that for the added bonus that your targetted userbase is willing to pay more for the hashrate than one may ever expect to make from merely mining in the first place.

It's basic economics, really. Everything else is just a fairly tale.
1846  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can't run a scam/useless ICO by legit team? on: September 27, 2018, 11:26:08 AM
Even ignoring scam ICOs, people simply underestimate how many companies and startups fail.

For every Google, Amazon and Bitcoin there's thousands of companies and projects out there that either underperform or fail miserably. Problem being, to be successful a lot of things need to be right, but to fail it often suffices when just a single factor falls short (eg. great execution is worth nothing if the idea is bad and vice versa; having a great product is worth nothing without a userbase etc). Doesn't matter whether the company is actually legit and whether the people behind the project are publicly known. Companies fail, and that's that.

The thing is, with classical VC investments there's usually 1) a stringent screening process and 2) a wide variety of startups being invested in, as to spread the risk. Most startups will lose you money, but the few that succeed are expected to make up for the losses.

ICO investments usually involves throwing money at pipe dreams sold by a flashy WordPress template with next to no research. Accordingly the ratio between losers and eventual winners is not exactly profitable.


Scam ICOs is one of the reasons why regulations is necessary. [...]

Regulation can't cure stupid.
1847  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and C++ on: September 27, 2018, 08:33:51 AM
I have a related concern with the idea that the Bitcoin Core source code is the Bitcoin protocol specification.

Eventually, the C++ language will go the way of COBOL. Very few people will be able to interpret and maintain the specification in the not-too-distant future.

COBOL was never designed as a general purpose language. Part of the problem with C/C++ is that we are absolutely, irrevocably stuck with it because it is so integral in so many things. It means that newer and potentially better-designed languages have slim chances of succeeding because of C++'s dominance. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon. [...]

To add to that, C/C++ compilers are much better understood and tested than compilers of newer languages. If only by merit of being around for much longer. So while newer languages may seem better designed and more appropriate they still have a couple of years, maybe even decades left until they reach the level of trust and performance of C/C++.

I mean just look at Ada. That language is even older than C/C++ but there's a reason why to this day it's still being used for military and avionic software development.
1848  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [Proposal] Solution for 51% attack - Proof of Online on: September 27, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
The title is not only clickbait, but also utterly wrong.

Block withholding attacks and 51% attacks are two entirely different things.

51% attacks by definition always include the majority hashrate, block withholding attacks not necessarily do.

Granted, block withholding attacks such as selfish mining are at their most effective with the majority hashrate, but then again every attack on PoW is. In the end once a miner achieves majority hashrate they can attack the network whatever way the like, regardless whether they decide to withhold blocks or not.

Apart from attacks on the incentive structure of PoW such as selfish mining, block withholding attacks are usually thwarted by... waiting for confirmations. That is, by using the protocol the way it was meant to be used.

That being said:

  • A particular signer is an account owned by a foundation or organization that initially designs the block chain or operates the block chain, and is called a verifier.

So the solution to block withholding attacks is.... federated trust.

...

*slow clap*
1849  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Flaws in LN (Lightning Network). on: September 26, 2018, 04:10:30 PM
It's actually quite clever game theory, you don't need to be honest, but if you try to cheat you will lose money.
So it's in your best interest to be honest.

So come again: who/what decide (i.e. judge), is cheating A who claims his last transaction to B is N+1, or B who claims the last transaction he received from A is N?

Cryptography is the judge and you are the executioner.

Once your counterparty tries to cheat you by trying to enforce a stale state the protocol provides you with everything you need to withdraw both your and your counterparty's coins from your shared multisig address.
1850  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Collection of 18.509 found and used Brainwallets on: September 26, 2018, 02:49:06 PM
Have you checked whether this particular passphrase has been part of a prior leak? You can check here: https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

It would be interesting to know whether our brainwallet sweepers are using publicly available password lists or have some pimped collections of their own.

Oh no — pwned!
This password has been seen 1,164 times before


Turns out it's not such a mysterious password after all; checking further, it appears in the password lists I downloaded. I thought my system had found it through mangling of lyrics (which it may have still done, independently). The password for 1GkGD48ucUKCwPkwRyH1bDLJTAdeHVn2xR is "loveisallyouneed"

Alright, that's slightly less worrying then.

I was expecting something along the lines of "l0ve1s4lly0un33d" or a 1337 version of "Hey Jude" which would have implied a far vaster lookup table. (assuming it isn't already. well, probably now it will be.)
1851  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Collection of 18.509 found and used Brainwallets on: September 26, 2018, 01:45:47 PM
[...]

This particular brainwallet concerns me, as the transactions are recent (March 2018), and for a large value (0.5 BTC): https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1GkGD48ucUKCwPkwRyH1bDLJTAdeHVn2xR

The funds were swept out instantly, which strongly suggests it was a theft by a bot watching that privkey. The passphrase is a song title, with minor mangling.

It not only suggests bots, it also suggests that these bots iterate through rather impressive lookup tables.

Have you checked whether this particular passphrase has been part of a prior leak? You can check here: https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

It would be interesting to know whether our brainwallet sweepers are using publicly available password lists or have some pimped collections of their own.


there were 4 transactions competing to sweep balance from 1GkGD48ucUKCwPkwRyH1bDLJTAdeHVn2xR  [...]

There seem to be quite a handful of bots competing for the most common passphrases. This talk from 2015 estimates them at half a dozen [1], I wouldn't be surprised if matters have gone worse since then.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foil0hzl4Pg (around the 31:30 mark)
1852  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Strategy to avoid total losses: be careful on: September 26, 2018, 09:31:36 AM

  - Do not save your money on trading platforms. "Not your keys, not your coins"


In my opinion keeping your coins on one of the top-3 exchanges is not the worst decision. In this case you can react more quickly to whats happening on the market and I hope that their security system is still more tough than mine.

Best of luck. I hope for your sake that you won't learn the significance of "not your keys, not your coins" the hard way. Granted though, if you're actively trading there are currently few other options available unfortunately.
1853  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Top of the best platforms for cloud mining on: September 26, 2018, 06:14:13 AM
Protip for newcomers: Stay away from cloud mining. Worst case you're getting scammed, best case you're getting hashing power for a price that will never turn a profit. Don't underestimate difficulty increases, my friends.
It's incredibly difficult to make people actually listen to what we are saying here. In most cases they jump into cloud mining after having watched paid shills on YouTube praise generating passive income through cloud mining.

Oh definitely. I still think it's worth repeating though, in case someone starts doing research of their own beyond YouTube and happens to stumble upon a thread like this.


Maybe it's time to start reporting these YouTubers on a large scale, because these YouTubers are one of the main reasons newbies still think cloud mining is profitable enough to invest in.

Most people search for cloud mining reviews and demonstrations on Google and then mostly end up on YouTube. YouTube was also a major factor with how paid shills there made BitConnect look like a solid investment.

I doubt it would amount to anything unfortunately. It's a slippery slope for one (a couple years back you could have argued the same about Bitcoin -- in crypto the borders between speculative and scammy are very blurred for an outsider), secondly even the advertisements being run on YouTube have sank to a level where I've seen straight up HYIPs being promoted.
1854  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [PSA] - Price drop on Trezor One (+ developments) 2018-09-21 on: September 25, 2018, 04:09:41 PM
[...]

Ledger Nano S is in total 100 EUR now, so Trezor One is cheaper option in this moment - but Ledger still have great advantage in number of supported coins, at least for now.

Have you checked the list of supported coins lately? Satoshilabs hasn't been sleeping! While the Trezor One still supports a handful less coins than the Ledger Nano S the difference isn't as large as it used to be: https://trezor.io/coins/

1855  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Top of the best platforms for cloud mining on: September 25, 2018, 02:42:32 PM
Protip for newcomers: Stay away from cloud mining. Worst case you're getting scammed, best case you're getting hashing power for a price that will never turn a profit. Don't underestimate difficulty increases, my friends.
1856  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Decentralized, Bitcoin-based anti-spam solution on: September 25, 2018, 01:44:34 PM
It's an interesting approach, but I'm also doubtful it would be all that effective.

Most large email providers already apply (centralized) anti-bot measures of their own that likely serve as higher barrier of entries than what you describe (ie. requiring a phone number for verification or a small donation). Smaller email providers that don't bother with such anti-bot measures probably won't bother with the coin-holding approach either.

Additionally I'm under the impression that large scale spammers have long since transcended centralized email providers. Most seem to run email servers of their own, playing the anti-anti-spam-filter game at a wholly different level (eg. trying to circumvent their mail servers and domains from being blacklisted).

Obviously the points above only consider email accounts. Other services may be a better fit for such a solution. Still, I think the coins would need to be actually at stake for this approach to be effective (eg. by keeping the coins in escrow or timelocked until a certain grace period).
1857  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Does the world have electronic money banks? on: September 25, 2018, 11:23:33 AM
please tell me the name of some electronic banks!
If it is your national currency can deposit your money into the bank in the country you are living in and it can be profitable monthly for you.
But electronic money has a bank yet?
When depositing your e-money into electronic money banks, is it profitable and safe enough?

There are crypto exchanges where you can deposit and withdraw both cryptocurrencies and governmental fiat currencies. Some of which also offer lending functionality, allowing you to earn interest similar to classical banking.

While you can store money long term in a crypto exchange (I guess what you would call an electronic money bank), you definitely shouldn't. Trusted exchanges have failed in the past and trusted exchanges will fail in the future. So unless one wants plans on actively trading, the risk of keeping money on an exchange is not really worth it.
1858  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Newbie in "bitcoin core" on: September 24, 2018, 09:52:54 AM
Look into the bitcoin-core and bitcoind-rpc npm packages.

https://www.npmjs.com/package/bitcoin-core

https://www.npmjs.com/package/bitcoind-rpc

Unfortunately they don't seem to be as well maintained as they used to be, but both come with enough example code to get you started.
1859  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: What is the advantage of HD Wallets? on: September 23, 2018, 11:23:31 AM
I've heard master public key + some public private keys would be enough to get the seed or something.
I've edited your quote a bit. As far as I know, this is how it works.

It is worth noting though that you have to share the xpub key with a potentially compromised machine in the first place. Short of unknown derivation weakenesses there is no security compromise if you treat the xpub key just as you would treat a private key (ie. never have it touch an online device).
1860  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: More stringent rules will solve the problem of spam on: September 20, 2018, 09:42:40 PM
Allowing people to automatically gain merit, regardless of their posting quality, would completely undermine the purpose of the merit system.

If someone manages to stick around the forums for weeks on end, writing dozens of posts, without receiving even a single merit... than there's usually very good reasons for that.
I did not say anything about automation

I re-read your posts and I think I misunderstood you the first time around. Sorry about that.

So your suggestion is that users should be expected to receive a minimum amount of merits per week, lest they get demoted, did I understood you correctly?

It's an interesting approach, but you'd still have to account for 1) users taking a break from the forums every now and then and 2) high variance in terms of how many merits one receives within a given period. The latter could likely be alleviated by looking at a long enough timeframe (eg. 1 month instead of 1 week), the question of how to handle periodic inactivity is IMO not as easily answered though.
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