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1161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Alternative ideas for mixing? on: January 02, 2020, 05:10:04 AM
What you're looking for is Atomic Swaps

Keep in mind that to improve your privacy using atomic swaps you'd still need to do the swap with a privacy focused cryptocurrency (similar to what fravia suggested, except without the need for a centralized exchange).

True, but there are proposal/idea to improve privacy when using atomic swap (even though atomic swap itself is still in development) such as Anonymous Atomic Swaps Using Homomorphic Hashing

That's pretty neat!

Thanks for the link, I wasn't aware of this proposal. Seems like this approach could greatly improve privacy even when swapping currencies that are not necessarily privacy focused. The amount of privacy you get might depend on the amount of other users using anonymous swaps though (ie. if it's just you and 5 other guys it might be rather easy to correlate transactions).
1162  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Let's deploy free open-source crypto-exchange in 15 minutes on: December 31, 2019, 09:34:59 PM
Anyone who truly wants to run an exchange shouldn't touch those open source 'exchanges' at all.

Even if we assume that the author did not include an intentional vulnerability which wouldn't be found by a code review (which we shouldn't assume at all),
how would you think you'd handle occurring issues ? Outdated software, new vulnerabilities, etc.. ?

People who have the bankroll and want to run an exchange, get a customized software built for them for several 10k / 100k $.
People who don't have any clue at all, use free open source software. Then they either get hacked or lose funds because of other unforeseen issues.

Well, on the other hand anyone who goes for an open source exchange to run their platform as if it were just another WordPress site is probably better off that way than trying to cobble their own custom solution. Whether one should use such an exchange is a different question of course, but if one is not to be stopped from running an exchange of their own, using an open-source platform might be the lesser evil. Even without having looked at the code of this project I'm fairly certain crypto has seen worse exchanges in terms of security. Not that the bar has been set that high, unfortunately.
1163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Alternative ideas for mixing? on: December 31, 2019, 06:18:49 AM
What you're looking for is Atomic Swaps

Keep in mind that to improve your privacy using atomic swaps you'd still need to do the swap with a privacy focused cryptocurrency (similar to what fravia suggested, except without the need for a centralized exchange).

However this appears to be a bit of a challenge when talking about Monero, for example:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/58630/would-it-be-possible-to-do-atomic-swaps-with-monero-and-bitcoin

Not sure about the situation as far as other privacy focused coins are concerned (truth be told I'm not sure about the state of atomic swaps in general right now as things seem to have grown rather silent).

This reminds me though that it's worth noting that using Lightning Network also improves privacy. While not the main goal of LN the usage of onion-style transaction routing should make Blockchain-analysis quite a bit harder.
1164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 51% attack on: December 30, 2019, 01:33:50 AM
But what would happen if one state (you know which one) could actualy gain control over more than 51% hash rate though?

You mean the Chinese government? The majority hashrate is already located in China:
https://www.coindesk.com/highest-in-2-years-65-of-bitcoin-hash-power-is-in-china-report-finds

We're still talking about private companies running these mining operations, not the government. The confiscation of private mining facilities to launch a 51% attack seems rather unlikely as China knows better than to kill their own cash cows.
1165  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Alternative ideas for mixing? on: December 30, 2019, 01:09:42 AM
There's CoinJoin, whichs allow for trustless mixing by using special transactions:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CoinJoin

It's used by Wasabi wallet for example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5064006.0

In the case of Wasabi there's a central server coordinating said transactions but the server has no access to the coins itself and can be used over TOR. Ease of use still seems to be a bit of a problem though, as the amounts you can mix are rather limited (ie. you can only mix rather specific amounts) and lack of userbase often causes prolonged delays. Might have gotten better since I last gave it a try though.

Samourai Wallet also offers a CoinJoin implementation called WhirlPool, amongst other privacy features that might be interesting for you to study.
https://samouraiwallet.com/

1166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What consensus alogrithm you think is best for blockchain ? on: December 17, 2019, 12:12:34 PM
Since this hasn't been mentioned yet: It's also important to note that PoS requires an initial coin supply to be centrally issued, otherwise there's no coins to stake with. Depending on your stance on decentralization this is rather problematic, with some projects trying to mitigate this problem by either running PoS / PoW hybrids or starting off with PoW before shifting towards PoS.
1167  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Solution for getting rid of clipboard malwares. on: December 16, 2019, 12:57:54 PM
Getting a human readable short address that are typeable would mostly clear off this issue.

What if an adversary changes the Bitcoin address that is aliased by human-readable shortname though? According to their site "you can easily delete or modify your addresses linked to your CRUX ID" which has me wondering what would prevent such an attack from happening. To make matters worse, people would feel safe that their clipboard hasn't been tampered with, while in the background payments are being routed to the wrong address without the user even having the chance to double-check.

Interesting service though, will keep an eye on it.
1168  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: STOP BUYING BITCOIN NOW!!! This coin is crap on: December 16, 2019, 12:34:52 PM
Stick with Ether then, it's a free market after all.

Assuming you're right Ethereum seems to be vastly undervalued right now, so once Bitcoiners recognize Ethereum as the better coin you stand to make quite a profit. It's not the bet I personally would take but that's just me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1169  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Kryptoverwahrgeschäft on: December 16, 2019, 10:03:10 AM
Bottlepay hat mitgeteilt, dass wegen der Umsetzung der 5 Geldwäscherichtlinie der Betrieb einer Custodial-Wallet eingestellt werden muss:

https://bottlepay.helpscoutdocs.com/article/40-official-announcement-on-the-shutdown-of-bottle-pay

Wenn es eine Non-Custodial Wallet wäre, oder UK zum 31. Januar aus der EU aussteigt, dürften die dann weiter machen?

Außer die UK passt ihre Geldwäscherichtlinien an die EU an dann ja -- zumindest so wie ich das verstehe.

Die größere Frage wäre in dem Fall allerdings was am 31. Januar dann tatsächlich passiert, bis jetzt ist der ganze Brexit Prozess ja ein eher schleppender Vorgang mit viel Rechts-Unsicherheit.

Und vielleicht relevanter, was zwischen dem in Kraft treten der Regelung am 10. Januar und dem etwaigen Brexit am 31. Januar passieren soll. Nachdem Bottlepay nicht vor hat diese Geldwäscherichtlinie umzusetzen müssten sie so oder so zumindest temporär dicht machen und alle Accounts schließen.
1170  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Cryptojacking Malware Devs Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison on: December 12, 2019, 03:30:14 PM
How the authorities went about getting these guys to pay for their actions remains unknown but its still sending a message that someone is watching and people can be made to pay for whatever they do in the crypto sphere...
The team was smart enough to infect all the computers and start mining using other people's computing power but they were not smart enough to hide their loot and so is the reason they were caught, FBI knew that the money was going to Romania through wire transfer and they had a collective investigation with the help of Romanian police and it made things easier for them as they were using fake identities to cover their tracks but when you are pinned to the point where your loot is withdrawn then it is a matter of time to snatch them and that is what happened here.

Got any more info than that? According to the ZDNet article their slip-up was actually more technical in nature:

The three were arrested in late 2016 after the FBI and Symantec had silently stalked their malware servers for years, patiently waiting for the highly skilled group to make mistakes that would leave enough of a breadcrumb trail to follow back to their real identities.

Those errors came in 2015, when of the group's proxy servers began leaking details about the group's traffic, eventually leading investigators on the right path, and later that year one of the hackers made an unfortunate trip to Miami, where the FBI secretly searched his phone at the border.

Reading through the article their money mule / laundering infrastructure seems to have worked surprisingly well, but I'd be interested to read about any trails they left behind on this front.
1171  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin really still decentralized?? on: December 12, 2019, 02:25:57 PM
How about miners censoring transactions in the future? You think this is not possible? I have read couple of posts concerning this.

Miners censoring transactions would require an amount of centralization that's probably nothing short of what is required to run a 51% attack. As long as some miners are willing to mine a "blacklisted" transaction it will enter the blockchain eventually.


One of the fears is that transactions can be censored if mining is centralized by a single group/entity.

The minute Bitcoin is controlled by a single entity it's dead. That has been known from the beginning. And it's luckily very unlikely to happen.


The entity can even decide to stop mining altogether when mining equipments become scarce or hard to produce

Any major miner stopping mining altogether is a win for decentralization as other miners take their place. If ASICs for some reasons stop existing, people will regress to GPU and CPU mining. Simple as that.
1172  Economy / Economics / Re: BTC to GOLD on: December 12, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
I'd say within limits.

In my opinion both gold and Bitcoin are good hedges against unexpected economic events, but while gold has a significantly longer track record I believe that Bitcoin still has a larger upside potential. Additionally Bitcoin is easier to store and trade and the gold price is not as stable as it's often made out to be.

So in the end I'd mostly treat Bitcoin as a hedge against economic downturns and gold as a failsafe in case Bitcoin is not up for the task.
1173  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin really still decentralized?? on: December 12, 2019, 01:44:58 PM
Bitcoin is far from perfect, but in terms of decentralization it's still the best bet we currently have.

Bitcoin Mining is dead unless you own a mining farm with the necessary hashrate, again only big companies having access to Bitcoin!!!

I think we still have a couple of small(ish) miners on Bitcointalk that would disagree? Profit margins and economics of scale have pushed towards mining consolidation, that's true, but despite all that Bitcoin remains uncensorable and secure. And that's the important bit.
1174  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Cryptojacking Malware Devs Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison on: December 12, 2019, 10:32:02 AM
Do criminals generally have a short lived 'career'? Yes they do, but that doesn't prevent them from stealing money.

I wouldn't be so sure of that, to me it seems that for every criminal with a "short lived career" there's many more out there that never get caught. Let's not forget that malware is a huge global industry and those guys are just the tip of the iceberg.

Here's another interesting article on said operation:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-bayrob-malware-gangs-rise-and-fall/

According to this article they made tens of millions of US dollars before they got caught and apparently it took law enforcement 8 years before they got a trace on them. Had they stopped after the first couple of millions they probably would have gotten away with it.
1175  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Was wenn.. on: December 11, 2019, 02:07:30 PM
Nochmal: Jemand hebt am Bankautomat einen Fuffi ab (also einen Geldschein mit Nummer), damit bezahlt er bei Aldi Süd Schwantalerstrasse seinen Einkauf, Tageseinnahmen gehen über den Geldtransportdienst und Geldbearbeitung zur Bank. Kreis geschlossen.
Einen Fuffi kriegt man selten als Wechselgeld raus, daher isrt die Wahrscheinlichkeit der Zuordnung gegeben.

Und nochmal: Machbar ja. Wird es so durchgeführt? Weiß ich nicht und kann ich auch nicht überprüfen. Wenn du es unbedingt herausfinden willst, tue dir keinen Zwang an.

Wär tatsächlich ganz interessant rauszufinden wie aussagekräftig man Geldströme auf Basis dieser Metadaten verfolgen könnte (also Bank -> Konsument -> Geschäft -> Bank). Mit genug Datenpunkten könnte man so wahrscheinlich sogar die Geldströme kleinerer Geldscheine einigermaßen verfolgen (Bank -> Geschäft -> Konsument -> Geschäft -> Bank).

In der Praxis ist hierfür aber wahrscheinlich der Aufwand viel zu groß und die Metadaten zu lückenhaft. Dazu kommt das gerade die interessanten Geldströme (also Schwarzgeld) so gut wie nicht erfassbar sein werden, dh. die Zwischenschritte Bank -> ??? -> Bank werden zuviele sein. Druck auszuüben Richtung bargedloser Gesellschaft ist da wahrscheinlich um einiges effektiver als zu versuchen einen Überwachungsapparat für Bargeld aufzubauen.
1176  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Where to post a new project? on: December 11, 2019, 10:12:42 AM
There's also the Project Development boards:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=12.0

It's mostly for projects in very early stages but I've also seen people use it to get early feedback for their current works in progress. Depending on the state of your project this board might be more appropiate.
1177  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Yet Another Hypothetical on: December 11, 2019, 09:07:58 AM
That's impossible. A node can't have low latency for some transactions and high latency for others. They either have low latency for all or high latency for all. Any node capable of getting any transaction within the wait time is going to get all transactions within the wait time.

It's not only possible, it's also very common. Even under normal network conditions, without adversarial behaviour by other nodes. It's part of what makes logic that relies on network connections so tricky.
1178  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Yet Another Hypothetical on: December 09, 2019, 07:01:45 PM
So it's important for all nodes to know and share the average propagation time of the network. Any two or more transactions received within that time are treated as double spends and invalidated. Any additional transactions received beyond that time after the first are simply rejected. Merchants only need to wait that long after receiving a payment before rendering goods or services for 95% of the network to know that there are no double spends and no risk of invalidation.
So now we have a network filled with adversarial nodes that share a wrong propagation time. The "average propagation time" can be moved towards any arbitrary value depending on what the attacker wants to achieve. They can push the timeframe down to a few milliseconds, or the can inflate it to a few years. Both of which will render the network unusable.
How will adversaries know whether to push the wait time up or down? Unless they're all cooperating, they will be working against each other as well as the network.

That's the point. There's no need for cooperation as a single adversary can relatively simple take over the vast majority of the network.

Mining costs a significant amount of electricity so attacks are both expensive and logistically hard to pull off. At least in terms of Bitcoin and most of the larger alts.

The payment system you are describing can be crippled for days on end by spending a couple of hundred bucks on your friendly neighbourhood botnet-operator (or AWS, for that matter). I'm not even kidding.
1179  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Yet Another Hypothetical on: December 08, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
So it's important for all nodes to know and share the average propagation time of the network. Any two or more transactions received within that time are treated as double spends and invalidated. Any additional transactions received beyond that time after the first are simply rejected. Merchants only need to wait that long after receiving a payment before rendering goods or services for 95% of the network to know that there are no double spends and no risk of invalidation.

So now we have a network filled with adversarial nodes that share a wrong propagation time. The "average propagation time" can be moved towards any arbitrary value depending on what the attacker wants to achieve. They can push the timeframe down to a few milliseconds, or the can inflate it to a few years. Both of which will render the network unusable.
1180  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: Deutschsprachige Informationen zu Bitcoin für Einsteiger on: December 04, 2019, 12:59:47 PM
Also erstmal find ichs super das ihr da eine Einsteiger-Seite gebaut habt wo die Leute nicht gleich Richtung Daytrading und Casinos gepushed werden (auch wenn ich persönlich weder gegen das eine noch das andere was habe).

Hab die Seite mal ein bisschen überflogen und muss sagen ihr habt da gute Arbeit geleistet. Auch eine vernünftige Selektion an seriösen Exchanges, auch wenn ich persönlich Bitfinex auf Grund der unklaren Beziehungen zu Tether als grenzwertig betrachte.

Paar Kleinigkeiten die mir aufgefallen sind:

1) Das der KeepKey Referral-Link shortened ist find ich leicht problematisch, allerdings nehme ich mal an dass KeepKey Referral-Links nun mal so ausschauen

2) Bei den Wallets fehlen noch genauere Infos zu Desktop Wallets! Wink

3) Bei den FAQ bin ich über ein paar 404 gestoßen, ich glaub da müsst ihr nochmal nachkontrollieren. z.B:
https://www.bitcoin-beginner.de/bitcoin-faq/technologie-und-entwicklung
https://www.bitcoin-beginner.de/bitcoin-faq/mining-und-transaktionen
https://www.bitcoin-beginner.de/bitcoin-faq/technologie-und-entwicklung
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