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1861  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 07, 2023, 08:26:07 AM
personally, I wouldn't want I Manchester United to qualify for the Europa League Competition. They should rather take that momentum to the Premier League and build capacity and make sure they seal a safe spot in the Premier League standing. The games over if either of Galatasaray or Copenhagen wins. Can they both get to share points, then Manchester United will fight hard to win against Bayern Munich.
Are you serious? I believe any team want to become a champion whether it's Europa or Champions League. What safe spot do you mean? Manchester United will never ever relegated because even they're struggle, they're still better than the other teams.

If you mean safe spot is top 4 positions, what's the difference if Manchester United will qualify for Champions League and they're not have power to become a champion in the next season. Will you say it's a wasting time again to play in Champions League? lol.
Given the fact that they are not as strong as they think they are, I would prefer to see them focus only on their immediate matches. For example, now that they will face Bayern Munih, they should focus on the mtch only without thinking about whether or not they will be able to qualify from this group stage to the last 16 or even to go to the Europa League. As a club they want the best, like now they want to be in the last 16, but if they can't beat Bayern Munich then it's not possible. Even if they do beat Bayern Munich, they are at the mercy of the other clubs in the same group.
1862  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 07, 2023, 08:09:13 AM

For Inter Milan the situation is becoming more and more comfortable as they most likely will win their next home game while Juventus Turin is battling Napoli. I think Juventus Turin won't lose the game, but if they do and Inter Milan wins the game we are about to see what we saw last season with Napoli running away in the table from everyone else.

AC Milan has a game against Atalanta, which I don't consider easy either, but AC Milan is a big favorite there.
Inter Milan managed to get through their difficult week, yes at least they can still get a draw against Juventus at that time. Inter Milan is one of the most promising clubs now, I'm sure if they can maintain their current form then they will be able to become champions and win the Scudetto. They have everything needed to become champions, their attack line is sharp, their defense is strong, and supported by a mdfield that is no less good. of course this is a breath of fresh air for them to put them better when compared to other clubs.
1863  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 06, 2023, 03:35:00 PM
I still give United a 20% of chances, for me is most difficult to see them winning the game against Bayern Munich than wait for the draw between Copenague and Galatasaray. Because the other two little teams are gonna be so idiot that they destroy themselves with a draw who doesnt help any of them
I think on the contrary, that the Galatasaray vs Copenhagen match will also be something more difficult for them, the article here they purely rely on my luck. Whereas when they face Bayern Munich there is effort and hard work that they can do, yes although it will also not be easy for them. But at least they can still try hard and depend on themselves. They will not take part in the Galatarasay vs Copenhagen match, that's where the difficulty lies which according to absolutely cannot be expressed again in words. Maybe they will also feel the same way, that the mtch will be more realistic than depending on other clubs, even if it is a very difficult match.
1864  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 06, 2023, 02:36:10 PM
Sassuolo may be an obstacle for strong teams like Inter and Juventus this season but that doesn't seem to be the case against Roma. The reason is that Roma managed to beat Sassuolo in the away match with a narrow victory and this allowed Roma to occupy position 4 for the time being. It seems that Roma is aware that they cannot continue to dwell on uncertain results and they have proven this with their consistency so far. Roma's next opponent that is waiting for them is Fiorentina and of course this will be a fairly balanced match for both teams and I am quite curious which of them will win in Week 15.
AS Roma's victory when they travel to Sassuolo headquarters is inseparable from one red card that must be received by Sassuolo players, so that it makes AS Roma able to turn things around. We can see from the difficulty of AS Roma to score before Sassuolo played with 10 people, even I think they will be able to win or at least draw if only Sassuolo continues to play with 11 people. The red card received by the home player changed the course of the match and also affected the score that occurred in this match.
Apart from all that, of course this result will be very grateful to AS Roma, yes this result makes them manage to enter the top 4.
1865  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 06, 2023, 11:53:20 AM
It's quite possible that Bayer Leverkusen could do the impossible and finally end the reign of Bayern Munich, of course it wouldn't be easy and of course there is a little bit of time left to do that but I think it is going to be quite possible for them to do just fine.

The chance is still there but in this case the probability of Bayern is stronger when talking about the championship.
Leverkusen can continue to be consistent that is a very good thing but Bayern will definitely always stick and take advantage of every momentum that occurs in every match that is done. The situation is not too different from last season but if in the end Lverkusen still maintain their performance like this until the end of the season then indeed this will be very good because the competition will be even more challenging, it's just that I still feel that in the end Bayern will return to dominate the Bundesliga.

Bayern Munich already have a winning mentality because the end of season title is no longer strange to them, most likely they already know about what must be prepared to take dominance from other clubs who try to disturb them and win the title at the end of the season. So with that although Leverkusen now still looks quite strong but still I think the overall advantage is still owned by Bayern Munich but not completely. Of course Bayern Munich will always be ready to face anything but the question is whether Leverkusen will be able to be that strong in maintaining its consistency at the top? hmm honestly with their incident in yesterday's match which had to share points with Dortmund my confidence decreased a little on them. Yes the competitive situation towards the end of the season will certainly be more challenging and that means any possibility is still very likely to happen there, so maybe in my opinion we can only be sure about who has a greater chance of winning the title when the end of the season is very close.
1866  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: December 06, 2023, 11:23:16 AM

Since it depends on luck I will not give any complaints on gambling sites. But if a gambler gambles here without following the principles of responsible gambling then he will lose. We often see that casino platforms are developing rapidly but nothing is visible among gamblers. If a gambler only thinks of gambling for money then he will be stopped soon. Whether winning or losing in gambling, there should be no motive to earn money. There are some greedy gamblers who focus on money and they lose all their assets very quickly.

yeah, without control instead of making money you will lose everything as gambling platforms is design to make money, and if ever you manage to win some but you did not quit or stop from that point, the chance of losing everything back is very possible, it's always good to work with limitation and better strategy if you want to make some winnings.

There's always a chance only if you know when to stop and when to quit. Either you are on the winning or losing side.

What you said is the real understanding and facts, gambling is not created to feed the gamblers for free and it is the opposite that the purpose of the establishment of the casino is to earn, or the point is that the bookie created the casino to benefit themselves through some stupid gamblers who cannot apply self-control and always carry the assumption that they can earn in the gambling they do.

Yes that's right, and I'd say it's not a real win if you can't quit the activity once you've won or at least go out and enjoy it and leave a little for the next session if you can't quit gambling completely, But it's not easy and most gamblers prefer to continue gambling because they put too much hope for bigger wins when in reality it's just an illusion that comes out of belief and hope without certainty or just an indication, the chances of winning in gambling will always be there but to make sure whether you can take advantage of the opportunity to leave immediately when you win it all comes back to yourself.
1867  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can loneliness make one addicted to gambling on: December 06, 2023, 10:53:51 AM
If this gambler has businesses and produces a lot of profit every day, I think $500 a day is just a small amount. And if it helps with his sadness, I think that's okay.

But if he doesn't have other sources of businesses and his daily budget is like that, it can be said that it is quite a large amount and it's a waste, and it's true what others say that gambling is a place to throw away money. He seems to be real.
You must be talking about millionaires or billionaires here, because if the gambling of 500 dollars is a small amount for him, then he is definitely a millionaire or billionaire. Because if he can only spend this amount of money on gambling then he spends more money to fulfill his other needs. But I think if the amount of $500 is too small for him, and he gradually becomes addicted to it, then there may come a time when he is bankrupt. Because there are many stories of rich people who have spent money on extravagant lifestyles and are now bankrupt.
For a millionaire or billionaire, the amount of 500 dollars would be nothing because their income would still be greater than the amount they lost in gambling. But if he is a millionaire or billionaire, he doesn't need to be lonely because he must be very busy taking care of all his business even though he employs many employees to handle it. He should be able to enjoy this life well and there won't be any problems for him. He can also consider gambling as it should be and will not experience gambling addiction because he understands the bad effects of gambling addiction. But if he becomes addicted to gambling and ends up spending a lot of money gambling, there must be something wrong in his life.

Of course it's true with what you said regarding the situation and financial condition of billionaires, the amount of $500 maybe it's just a small part that is not difficult for them to spend or lose but that doesn't mean they always won't feel okay because it's possible that on the other hand they have or could have put a much larger amount because they feel they have great power in terms of finance and in the end lose, the situation of that large amount of defeat can also make them not okay because of their mistakes in an excessive approach. Yes that's right, at first glance I also think that someone who has become a billionaire will usually be very busy in their daily activities especially taking care of a business that they run, it is quite difficult to find free time if we are already in that position and let alone feeling lonely sometimes to find time to rest is quite difficult usually.

But on the other hand I don't think it will always be busy like that, they must also at least have a little free time to rest or find pleasure, the point is that no matter how busy someone is on the other hand they will definitely have free time and with that maybe they allocate their free time to gambling with the intention of just looking for entertainment to treat their fatigue from busy work and not to produce.
1868  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about luck? on: December 06, 2023, 10:29:42 AM
Gambling depends entirely on luck, skill, and strategy. Every game has a win-win, you can win or win today. If you use all your tricks and if luck is with you, you can definitely win the game. However, gambling is full of the highest risk. There is no chance that you will win every game.
I don't really think gambling is all about luck because if gambling is all about luck does it mean that those that have gambled for months without wining doesn't have luck?, honestly I see gambling to be more like a game that has to do with strategy and not even only in gambling but anything we do and involves strategies tend to work better because that will distinguish you from other gamblers because sometimes gambling is not only just by picking random games and decided to bet hopping that luck will allow you to win, it doesn't work that way all the time but however if you have a strategy your pattern of gambling will change and you will no longer pick many games to bet but instead you will go for three or four games with a smaller odds and play it, you will see that you could be making more wining than your previous gambles.

If you're asking that then I'll ask you again if you're saying the right thing that gamblers for months always end up losing? We have to understand what luck is, it's not always about winning but by them going out without losing and winning it is also considered luck which means they have no loss and no gain. Honestly, I don't really believe that if there is absolutely no luck whatsoever during the months of gambling that they do, there will definitely be some small luck such as winning with a small amount, and another question is whether they can really withdraw when they get a win even if it's small? meaning that luck will definitely exist but the problem is that not all of them can prevent out-of-control actions such as applying greed when they get a win and finally they lose again and all previous wins are lost again because their approach and method are wrong.

What strategy are you referring to and what type of gambling are you discussing here? If you are discussing skill-based types of gambling such as sports then yes, I agree but if you say strategies on gambling that are purely luck-based such as slot machines then that's a big mistake, it won't work and I've tried it.
1869  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: December 06, 2023, 10:00:30 AM
~snip~
True I agree to that, honestly for me personally at first I always rejected the assumptions or actions that had to be done out of my common sense to make withdrawals when I got a certain amount of victory, I always prefer to continue the game with higher hopes and confidence because at that time I thought that luck was coming my way and I tried to always take advantage of the situation by applying greed, do you know what the end result was? yes occasionally as expected but more lost and I felt disappointed because all the money I won was lost again, it was really painful. For now I prefer to make peace with myself and forget about all those events, and also I try to reduce activity, if I have won there is nothing else I think about except immediately withdrawing it, the disappointing situation is very boring for me.

On the other hand I'm sure it's not just me who feels that way, but most of the gamblers who apply greed will feel the same disappointment when it turns out that their luck has run out and end up losing everything, but maybe some of them or most of them still don't realize that the action is actually wrong. There's nothing else and I admit it's better to just be grateful for your first win regardless of the amount.
It is normal for our minds to ask us to continue gambling even when we have won previously. But if we have good self-control, our thoughts will not influence us, and we can even suppress those thoughts so they don't grow bigger and ultimately affect us. We don't always expect what we want to happen, especially when we are gambling where there are wins and losses, but we will get losses more often. So instead of experiencing more and more losses, we should control ourselves and immediately stop gambling, especially when we win. Yes, making peace with ourselves will be a good way out so that we don't harbor feelings that can make us more stressed and just want to go back to gambling. We have to think about ourselves because our initial goal of gambling is just to have fun and not to make money.

Many gamblers feel the same as you. Even I feel it too. That's why we have to be able to overcome the losses so that they don't get bigger by maintaining good self-control so that we only enjoy gambling as entertainment. We also don't need to follow what other gamblers do by continuing to gamble because we are only responsible for ourselves. And if we have managed to win, we should cash out the winnings and get out of gambling immediately.

Yes it is natural and with that I think it is not strange if they especially beginners in the beginning of their approach most of them will definitely apply such actions, because victory is a situation that they always want and wait for in their gambling involvement. Self-control is good and always the most important thing to apply but on the other hand do you know if a new beginner who just came is still very aggressive in his thinking? I mean usually they still fully believe that it is a place to make money because of misunderstanding from the beginning of the involvement, meaning that makes it quite difficult for them to apply self-control like my experience that I have told you about and maybe they will be able to apply all of that when they have experienced a lot of disappointment like I experienced that it turned out that with greed the final result was even more disappointing.

I don't think that everyone involved in gambling always brings a mindset with the aim of seeking pleasure only because in general gambling is famous for the winning opportunities that are always boasted by people who are lucky enough so that many people get involved with the aim of getting the same fate, but that's not entirely because there are also those who come with common sense and correct understanding. Bad experiences will usually change but it depends on the person too.
1870  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 05, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
Game statistics are dependable on the coach's. Who do you think is responsible for? Ofcourse they're different players that stood competitive enough to hang over good results in league matches. I've this close feeling that Bayer Leverkusen defeat is itching closer and it will becoming from a team that no one suspects or even points fingers to this season. One of the underrated clubs will become hugh threat and before anyone knows it, they're currently topping the table back to back. Bayern Munich will win the Bundesliga league title this season.
The probability of this prediction being correct is quite low. To be honest, even if Bayer Leverkusen suffers this defeat, it will be due to bad luck. Of course, the championship probability is very high for Bayern, but Leverkusen is managed wonderfully this year. The actors look very good. They have a good bet for championship.
In the end, Munich will win the title again and take the lead in the Bundesliga at the end of the season, although Leverkusen will try to maintain its position in the points table, but we all cannot deny that Munich's performance is much stronger than Leverkusen's. So far, the depth of their performance is almost the same and even though later Bayern Munich will be in first place but I really hope that Leverkusen will make a new history to break Bayern Munich's dominance after more than a decade which will make this Bundesliga interesting.
I want to see the performance of Bayern Munich and Leverkusen for this month to see who will really be superior.

With the events experienced by Leverkusen in yesterday's match against Dortmund, maybe I will also have the same assumption as you that in the end it looks like Bayern Munich will dominate the title at the end of the season, now Tuchel's squad has a chance to excel or at least equal Leverkusen in terms of points, yes I also understand Xabi Alonso will not let all that happen because they have struggled to dominate the top of the standings for a long time and with that it is clear that Leverkusen will not waste any opportunity in front of them, yesterday's match was a big mistake for Leverkusen and with that they will definitely try to fix it by performing more optimally in the next match to get back away from Bayern Munich's pursuit.

On the other hand I will not fully say that Leverkusen have lost all opportunities, maybe this incident is just a warning for them to be stronger in any case and with the equality between Leverkusen and Bayern Munich now it means that these two teams have the same opportunity. We'll really get to see who's stronger when these two teams meet at the end of the season, I'm very curious to see if Leverkusen can be that strong.
1871  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gambling and Invest in gambling. on: December 05, 2023, 10:44:49 AM

Wow, your investment idea sounds good and funny at the same time, you as a gambler tells the other behavior of other gambler nowadays, sincerely speaking your idea sounds good but sometimes it might lead to a fight and quarrel, remember you're dealing with local gamblers who grow annoy over little matters and problem will definitely come maybe the pay back, some people have this bad habit of not paying debts and it may lead to fight.
Your idea at the same sounds bad, when you provide loans for angry gamblers who loss to a bet, of cause they will accept your loan and decide to play now what if the person didn't win the bet will you still give that person another loan?, when you keep providing loans for that person I think you're indirectly destroying the persons life. The worst part of it is most of these local gamblers don't even work so how do you expect them to pay you back. You're idea is not worth it dear.

Right mate this idea is completely wrong there are many gamblers who cannot gamble regularly due to lack of money and then they will be less inclined to gamble. In that case doing something like lending will make the person worse off. Who will guarantee it or who will get the loan back? Gambling depends on luck and never able to get money back if you lose. As the debt burden continues to increase as time goes by it is better to find a way to manage it rather than creating conflict between the two. Here the casualties will be less and there will be nothing of quarrels and disputes.

And some gamblers come because of the encouragement of their poor financial situation, are you saying that people who don't have money won't gamble? No my friend, in fact lately I have seen many who come and get involved in gambling because of the encouragement of their poor situation and their goal is to earn, they think that gambling is a place that can provide them with income, and also besides that like you said even though they don't have money but it's not the end of the world, they will not run out of ways and one of the alternatives they usually take is borrowing money from anyone who they think can provide a loan.

They think that borrowing is the best alternative they can take when unconsciously it is the beginning of a much worse end. Over time it will become a cycle of borrowing that will never end, playing and losing and borrowing again with the intention of returning the defeat the previous time as well as to pay off the previous debt, just keep going like that indefinitely, and they will really realize when the debt is as high as a mountain and gives them enormous pressure from the situation, so if you don't want to get into debt like them as a result of gambling then the only way is to lower your expectations of winning and don't overdo it.
1872  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: December 05, 2023, 10:14:53 AM
Usually when you hit a big profit , you should insta cash out and buy yourself something or you will end up making another deposit with the money you just withdrew a few hours or days ago. However ,if you have hot streak day , you should give it a try and keep playing a bit more but as soon as you realize you are just losing money , just leave and cash out for good.  Cool
That's what gamblers who win big should do. But the reality is some gamblers continue gambling because they still have the belief that they can win big again. But as we know, greed will not help him to win any more money. He had to realize that.

Withdrawing winning money is something that gamblers who win a lot of money should do. It was something he rarely got, so it was the best moment to cash it in and buy something to celebrate.

True I agree to that, honestly for me personally at first I always rejected the assumptions or actions that had to be done out of my common sense to make withdrawals when I got a certain amount of victory, I always prefer to continue the game with higher hopes and confidence because at that time I thought that luck was coming my way and I tried to always take advantage of the situation by applying greed, do you know what the end result was? yes occasionally as expected but more lost and I felt disappointed because all the money I won was lost again, it was really painful. For now I prefer to make peace with myself and forget about all those events, and also I try to reduce activity, if I have won there is nothing else I think about except immediately withdrawing it, the disappointing situation is very boring for me.

On the other hand I'm sure it's not just me who feels that way, but most of the gamblers who apply greed will feel the same disappointment when it turns out that their luck has run out and end up losing everything, but maybe some of them or most of them still don't realize that the action is actually wrong. There's nothing else and I admit it's better to just be grateful for your first win regardless of the amount.
1873  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Winning big amount after watching streamer on: December 05, 2023, 09:33:57 AM
Sometimes watching streamer and being motivated to play unknown games to us brings luck out of nowhere. Keep on trying but just don’t over commit. Trying the unknown and winning big time is really fun experience.
That's the essence of having gambling streamers they are there to motivate, tempt  and capture our interest  towards a particular game or casino, I mean that's what they are paid to do (to motivate us).  it's great trying out new games we ain't uses to as we don't know where in particular our luck lies, can be luck to beat the game at a first trial although not always the case, but when trying out new games whether the outcome turns out to be positive or  negative we should not get carried away by it, we keep our cool for just because it's a new game or it's your first time isn't a warranty that outcome  was supposed to favour you. Lucky op, congrats to him.

Yes that may be true, but in my opinion the role of the stremer refers more to teasing than motivating yes although I also do not fully say that motivation cannot be found there, because obviously with a very good game or very good luck that the stremer has, it makes us who watch feel like we have found a new way to gamble and also to get the same victory as them, the point is that expectations become higher when we are too carried away by what the stremer does there.

On the other hand, are you not suspicious at all about the luck that the stremers have? To be honest, maybe there are some who are aware of it but I think more are not aware of this, that as you said the stremers are paid by the casino to promote the site they have with the aim of attracting more audiences. I feel that the luck that the streamers have when broadcasting is very unusual, meaning that it is very good to get a very big win and it is a little unreasonable. On the other hand, don't be easily tempted by the way they do it and it's better to gamble in our own way, as you said by trying some new games that we don't know, it doesn't matter because maybe luck is there.
Streamers' high-energy actions and apparently unlimited luck charm us more than motivate us. But isn't there a lesson? Their wins, which might seem suspiciously regular, captivate onlookers. This raises questions: Is it luck or a well-orchestrated show that engages viewers? They're often sponsored by gaming platforms. Isn't their great wins and limited losses a ruse to make winning seem easy? We can learn from their techniques, games, and win-loss attitudes. It's about analyzing their strategy, not just luck. Well said, we shouldn't be caught in their tide. Their ways may appear gold mine, but isn't it better to forge our own? We may discover new games and methods. Our luck may lay in exploration, not imitation. Isn't it thrilling to think our biggest win could come from a new game?
I think what the stremers are doing or airing is more of a show like you said with the aim of attracting more audiences who are starting to be tempted and want to follow the way they do with the aim of getting the same fate. Some of us already know that their goal is for that and behind it there is a third party who makes and designs the luck of the stremer to be infinite, but there are still many people who do not realize that this is a promotion carried out by the casino by hiring the services of stremers.

It's really a gimmick and this is a true fact, after all, are you not suspicious of the luck they have? for myself at first glance I can already conclude that there seems to be something strange about the luck they have, I have tried it several times when I first saw the show they did, I tried several times and at different times too but it really didn't work for me and there was no other result than disappointment. So the bottom line in my opinion is like I said before, don't be easily tempted by the luck they have and like you said it's better for us to gamble in our own way, after all, if we are lucky we will also be able to get a certain amount of winnings.
1874  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 05, 2023, 09:13:49 AM

Of course that's a completely ridiculous approach to gambling, they think that next session they'll get lucky and break even so they're desperate enough to take out a loan just to gamble, it's completely out of my mind. After all, it's just gambling where the end result really can't be predicted and only depends on your luck at the time, so with that alone I think they should be able to consider that excessive behavior in gambling is really not recommended and should not be done.

Your advice is quite good but I think by putting 20% of our income for gambling is too big, for myself honestly the most I only dare to put 10% of the income I have for gambling, but it doesn't matter if they are able to account for everything and are able to accept whatever the results are the point is not to affect mentally, psychologically and costs for your life. Statistically it is usually the beginners who are most vulnerable, it is true because beginners will usually be ambitious when they see a chance of winning, so you and they must be more careful and change that mindset.
Gambling as entertainment rather than a source of income can be exciting but perilous. Like a movie ticket, we pay for the experience, not the result. Making 10% of your income from gambling? What a commitment! Gambling should be a fun side dish, not our financial main entrée. Wouldn't we rather invest or save that money? Gamblers' zeal often blinds them to its harsh reality. Teaching a child to ride a bike doesn't start on a mountain trail. They must comprehend the fundamentals and risks. Gamblers must learn the odds, know when to stop, and most importantly, avoid mental, financial, and psychological harm. Shouldn't we promote responsible gambling and balanced risk-taking?

In fact, if you want to gamble with the aim of fun, it is still dangerous as you said because obviously you can get carried away unconsciously, well, let alone gambling with the aim of earning, it's the same as agreeing with all the bad effects that will befall you. But on the other hand it is quite difficult to be able to bring the right mindset and common sense or the intention of gambling with what is recommended such as entertainment, several factors influence so that they gamble with the aim of earning, one of which is like a low economic situation that is very likely to make them make gambling a place to earn income, especially if they always hear some victories achieved by others that can trigger them to become more enthusiastic.

Yes that is true, we should divert the 10% of funds for gambling to other things like what you said saving it or saving it because it is better, I understand that it is the best choice but the problem is that it is not that easy to make a decision like you suggest unanimously, because we or they are quite active gamblers so it is quite difficult to be able to stop completely in a short time, as I experienced, I could not completely stop but by always trying to reduce the percentage of money that wanted to be allocated to gambling it made me lose interest slowly, that's what I mean and my goal.
1875  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 04, 2023, 05:30:16 PM
What I mean by priority here is that when they lose then they don't have a deep disappointment about it. Regarding the main plyers they always play in every match, of course they will always do so, because after all they want to get the best.
If we compare their ambitions in the Champions League and the Europa League for example, I can see that their ambitions in the Champions League will be greater. I'm not underestimating the Europa League at all, but we can see from the list of clubs that won here are clubs that rarely won titles in the domestic league, whereas, in fact, every season there are always big clubs here.

That's right, but that doesn't only count for main players, but for all players. The Champions League will always be more prestigious and I agree that losses lead to less disappointment if they are normally used to playing in the Champions League. But I think this changes the closer they get to the final. Losing a semifinal in the Europa League is probably tough for the players as the final event in the Europa League is still an incredible experience. Of course some luck is needed because there is a difference when you play against Alkmaar in the final or against a team like Arsenal or Barcelona who both played in the Europa League.
That said, I'm not writing off the disappointment that plyers or clubs will feel when they are knocked out of a competition. I also agree that the closer they get to the final, the greater the disappointment. I think we can all agree on this, that the disappointment is even greater when a title is on the horizon.

I'd like to tell you about one club that has won the Europa League many times, Sevilla. They're struggling to break through to the Champions League in La Liga. One of the ways for them to get there is by winning the Europa League, yes even though in the Chmpions League they also struggled a lot and in the end had to return to the Europa League.
1876  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 04, 2023, 05:15:19 PM
Al Nassr should not think too much about Al Hilal, I mean they just need to focus on continuing to win 3 points in the matches they play, while waiting for Al Hilal to slip and be defeated by any club. Al Hilal are very strong, but that doesn't mean they can't be beaten, be it by clubs of similar strength, or by those weak clubs who won by luck. The competition is still very long, although their points gap is indeed wide but with the remaining matches it is not impossible that Al Hilal can be caught up.
At the moment, after the big defeat, Al Nassr have to think about themselves and forget about Al Hilal. They will have to try to play best and get as many wins as possible and wait for chances to reduce the 7-point gap with Al Hilal. When the gap becomes smaller, they can think about Al Hilal again and they will still have one more direct match with Al Hilal. If they can play well from now till that direct match, they can take a second chance to equalize the gap or even take over the first position from Al Hilal.

At the moment, it is too early to think about Al Hilal with this big point difference.
Yes, they can still avenge their first-round loss in the second round, and they must prepare well. The journey is still very long in this SPL and also they can still make their strength even stronger by utilizing the transfer market.
7 points if rounded up Al Hilal must lose at least 3 times. But that must also be accompanied by positive results that must be achieved by Al Nassr. It will also be useless when Al Hilal (say) celebrates 3 defeats but Al Nassr also feels the same, like 1 defeat for example, it will not make them above Al Hilal.
1877  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 04, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
Yes, I agree that Napoli's chances of being in the top 4 are still very wide open with many matches remaining in this Serie A. It's just that their journey to be able to do that will not be as smooth as last season, yes there will be a lot of obstacles they will face to make it happen. Last season, we saw their striking differences and can be the toughest club in Serie A. But this season is much different, they are still struggling and they have to change coaches when their new coach has not passed the half of the season. But then again, their chances of being in the top 4 are still wide open.
I also think Napoli has the possibility to be in the top 4 of the standings. But there is a lot of competition for it now. If you look not at points in the standings but at the number of games won, there are at least six clubs fighting for this spot. That's if you don't take into account Inter, Juventus and Milan. So Napoli will definitely have a tough season.
Well that's the problem, clubs that last season played not very consistent like Inter Milan for example, this season they are better and I can even say they are better than Napoli. While other clubs are improving, at the same time Napoli are declining in performance. The change of coach because Spalletti didn't want to continue working with Napoli was the start of their decline, although maybe if Spalletti was still here they would have declined, no one knows. But we should make this assumption because we see the reality now. Even now Napoli have ended their partnership with Garcia who was appointed to replace Spalletti at the time.
1878  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 04, 2023, 04:44:05 PM
Porto and Shakthar will appear all out in their last match, because the results of the match will determine whether they will qualify for the last 16 or not. For Porto maybe a draw is enough to bring them to the knockout round, but still if they play it safe then the risk is also very large, because it is certain that Shakthar will appear all out. As for Shakhtar, victory is the only way they can get 1 ticket to the last 16.
The problem for them is that they will play as a guest team, and when their first meeting also lost to Porto, of course this will be even more difficult.

Porto had beaten shakhtar with 3-1 as the final result in the first leg. Im sure porto will be doing it again in the second leg. The chance for porto to win against shakhtar is far bigger. Porto is really strong. Porto has destroyed shakhtar when it was playing away and the next match is going to happen at porto's home. How can i pick shakhtar to win the game? porto is obviously the best choice in this match. Im sure that porto will be once again humiliate shakhtar. The club needs to prepare very strong mentality once it will be playing away against shakhtar.

Im predicting at least 3 -4 goals to be made in this match. Porto looks very superior compared with shakhtar donetsk. Shakhtar's chance is very small to win against porto. Porto has known the main weakness of shakhtar.
Porto will be humiliating shakhtar. Everyone will take porto for this match.
Yes at a glance and if you look at the results of their previous matches, it is not wrong to be Porto as a favorite. But Porto are now at a greater burden in my opinion, why? because usually with Shakhtar's status as a guest team and they are required to win, then Shakthtar will play as they can. If they are good at realizing their status, then they will appear as it is or you could say whether they qualify or not they don't think about it. But that's also if they think so.



Not entirely sure Bayern Munich will give Manchester United an easy victory, because even though Bayern Munich has qualified for the round of 16 but I am sure. Of course Bayern Munich will still play their key players, although maybe not completely but at least Bayern Munich will also try not to be defeated by Manchester Untied. Because yes, of course Bayern Munich also has prestige and thus, then Bayern Munich will not play elephant football to let Manchester United win easily, I am sure that will not happen.

Bayern have no problems in the Bundesliga and, on the contrary, they lack strong opponents to train with, so I expect Bayern to play at full strength and therefore most likely to beat United. Moreover, the game could end with a score of 3-5 or something like that (if United is able to resist), but I think that Bayern will win. The most interesting thing is who will win in the Copenhagen - Galatasaray pair. Both teams played solid football and it's a pity that someone had to be the loser.
I've often said this actually, that they are already comfortable when passing the 4th match, they just need to relax and wait for their next opponent in the Champions League. But will they be able to accept being defeated by Manchester United? in my opinion not, because prestige is also at stake there. They also looked not very ambitious in the previous match and could only play a draw and I think that's what they will do, if they don't win then at least they don't lose, that's the most realistic in my opinion.
1879  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 04, 2023, 11:19:41 AM
Passing week 15, there is actually no change in position, it's just that now the point gap between Al Hilal and Al Nassr is widening after Al Nassr lost a big match against Al Hilal. After previously their point gap was 5 points, now, their point gap is 7 points. Of course, it's a long distance, especially when Al Hilal has a very impressive performance. It will be very difficult for Al Nassr to catch up with the 7-point gap, because they expect Al Hilal to have a negative result. But the problem is that now Al Hilal is very difficult to beat. of the 15 matches they played, they only won 2 draws and the rest they won the match without tasting defeat.

The Saudi Professional league is already halfway through the season. and only Al Hilal is undefeated. It is clearly difficult to catch up with the difference in points for Al Nassr. all they can do is not make mistakes and continue to collect all the points in the remaining matches. to be consistent may be difficult for Al Nassr. but at least they secured a match that should have been 3 points for them. Al Hilal will certainly suffer defeat this season, and of course there will be a decline in performance. and that is what Al Nassr must take advantage of. I don't know what Al Nassr's chances of catching points are. because Al Hilal is so good this season.
Al Nassr should not think too much about Al Hilal, I mean they just need to focus on continuing to win 3 points in the matches they play, while waiting for Al Hilal to slip and be defeated by any club. Al Hilal are very strong, but that doesn't mean they can't be beaten, be it by clubs of similar strength, or by those weak clubs who won by luck. The competition is still very long, although their points gap is indeed wide but with the remaining matches it is not impossible that Al Hilal can be caught up.
1880  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 04, 2023, 11:04:52 AM
Well for me the Europa League is a very useful opportunity for clubs that have difficulty winning titles in the domestic league. I mean this, when a club in the Premier League for example they are in the Europa League, I am very sure they will prioritize the Premier League even though it might only be in the top 4, especially if it gets the title there. It is true that when they win the Europa League, they will automatically be in the Chmpions League too. But from what I have seen so far is that more big clubs make their domestic league a priority, especially if it is the Premier League.

And what does it mean when big clubs make their league a priority? Have you ever seen a big club in the Europa League quarterfinals to play with their B team? I have never seen that. Every time their are bigger clubs playing in the Europa League for whatever reason, maybe they missed the qualification in the league last year or got eliminated from the Champions League, they play with their best players in the Europa League no matter who the opponent is in the domestic league the weekend after. I am all ears to let you convince me that I am wrong. Just show me a game in the Europa League final round where a team did not play with the best players because they prioritized the domestic league.
What I mean by priority here is that when they lose then they don't have a deep disappointment about it. Regarding the main plyers they always play in every match, of course they will always do so, because after all they want to get the best.
If we compare their ambitions in the Champions League and the Europa League for example, I can see that their ambitions in the Champions League will be greater. I'm not underestimating the Europa League at all, but we can see from the list of clubs that won here are clubs that rarely won titles in the domestic league, whereas, in fact, every season there are always big clubs here.
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