Cause Im a nice guy ?

There is no catch although clearly I cant do this for free forever and I cant accept every request. But Ive got a printer, and I spend kilometers of filament experimenting (and learning), I may as well use it to print some stuff people can use or want to have. Its not like I bought the printer because I really needed one, I just wanted one .

Electricity cost is a non issue btw. The current setup is powered by a 100W PSU and actually draws closer to 50W on average. With the new heatbed it will be more, but nowhere near enough for me to worry about. The spotlight I mounted on it draws more.

Im going to stay as far away from printing/shipping gun or gun related parts as I can. Even if its a cleaner. Thank you for understanding.

How strong does it need to be? If I use a pattern infill with ~1mm perimeters (stronger than you would think, but still not unbreakable) its around the same as raspberry case, a few dollars. If I have to print it with solid infill for maximum strength, it will use a fair bit of filament. Guessing $10 worth, but cant slice atm to tell you exactly.

just noticed its a gun sight. Sorry, no guns, or gun parts.

Almost nothing. Should weigh less than 50 grams, so depending on the material, just a few dollars. Pick a case from thingiverse (http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=raspberry+case&sa=) and a material and Ill work it out, but probably less than $2 in material cost.


Yeah Ill ship internationally, at your expense.
Maximum size is 20x20x20cm. Im a bit hesitant to accept huge prints though, as Im working out some firmware issues that causes the print to stop. Not fun after a 12+ hour print.

You only pay the material, which for most prints is a trivial sum, and shipping.

Oil has all sorts of problems, like its viscosity. Proper immersion cooling is done with different liquids that are inert, much more fluid and have a low boiling point. Fluorinert is most commonly used. and its expensive as hell. To give you an idea:
http://www.parallax-tech.com/fluorine.htm
$4-500 per liter.

For those interested, Asicminer has been working on immersion cooling for bitcoin:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346134.0

It has substantial advantages, but being cheap is not one of them.

updated OP with new info.

Spot on.

But, of course the implication is that other companies not only can , but at some point will do it too. Today they may be charging $10/GH (or $3 in preorders), but thats only because they can, as miners are willing to pay that; in fact, if they dropped much lower, they would be even more unable to satisfy market demand. But that wont last, as difficulty ramps up, even absent any price competition, all these vendors will be competing with difficulty, and thus with themselves.

Its inevitable prices will come down, to the levels you are projecting, and IMO, much, much lower, up to point where they approach marginal profitability. Where that point is, you may be better positioned than me to estimate, but wherever it is, my fear for you is that this will happen faster than what you are projecting. $1/GH sounds like a terrific deal today, but I doubt it will sound good at all in august.

Maybe if nearly all the competitors continue to stumble and are unable to ship really high volumes even by summer, you will have a chance. Otherwise, I fear its either you or your customers who will end up losing money as margins will be too thin to recoup the NRE that all your competitors already recouped.. Maybe you have some trick up your sleeve, but if not, I fear its too late to start another asic.

Good luck anyway

Dont expect me to shed a tear when the "shills for 5%" get shafted, especially not after calling me an idiot a troll and a liar for stating obvious (and now almost all proven) truths.

LOL. Whatever dude. Enjoy your 0.5J/GH 1.2 TH miner shipping first week of January.
Karma can be a bitch.

So, how wrong was I, and how many lies have I told? And who looks like an idiot now?

Not likely at all. We currently seem to be well above 18PH, compared to 12PH in the beginning of the month. Lets assume its HF that is doing the hashing. 6PH = 6000 TH = ~15000 baby jets. Imagine what it takes to "temporarily" mine with 15000 of those machines drawing a total of 6 million watt?

Even if these vendors were self mining with their sold hardware,  it would barely register on the network. Hashfast first batch is what, 500 babyjets? Thats 200TH. Statistical noise.

Sure, but the laws concerning refunds for unshipped products applies to BFL equally and many BFL customers will have lost a far larger part of their investment than any HF customer, assuming the latter starts shipping soon.

Not to defend HF, but Im slightly surprised about the legal steps being taken against them if you consider that to my knowledge, no one has taken BFL to court yet. And that is despite BFL not offering any refunds whatsoever, and being way later than HF. Being "only" a month late (so far and if you consider the ToS instead of the sales pitch) and being offered full USD refunds is something BFL victims can only dream off.

Another update stating you will update your updates on the next update.  And people think this is exciting?
The only piece of actual news is that the RTL still wasnt done. Thats pretty much step 1 in asic development and there is no reason this couldnt have been done 6 months ago. Development started when, back in May?

For those curious how this impacts timing, let me quote Ken from 10 months ago:

VMC is in talks with a Major Semiconductor Company which can deliver prototype/Low Volume chips to VMC in a 5-10 week time frame after the RTL code for the ASIC chip is ported to their chip and the timing on the chip has been closed.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158806.0

No, I have no idea what the last part of that Kentalk sentence means either, but it does seem we are looking at least at 5-10 weeks for a handful of expensive ebeam samples. For single mask fabrication you can probably add ~2 months to that.  And thats just for the chips. Remember, HF has had chips for 6 weeks now.

Because I already answered it.



What I find more interesting is that he chooses to argue semantics about what constitutes a delay, while apparently taking no issue with the rest of the claims in my OP. True, they are hard to deny, but if I were a BFL spindoctor, at least Id try.

Chip bring up and characterization, PCB and firmware tuning typically takes months. With a bitcoin miner Im sure that can be done faster, but what KnC did was exceptional and literally, an exception, not the rule. (The result was also a lot of DOA's and at least one customer seeing 100% failure/issue rate on a batch of 10 miners. Thats not what you want as a company). Also keep in mind how long it took Avalon, BFL, Bitfury how long it is taking HF and Bitmine.

If I were a customer, I would be disappointed that they are not only a few weeks behind schedule, but also still below target atm, but considering they received their first chips only 2 weeks ago, I wouldnt have expected miracles.

I have no ambition to write something BFL (and all the other vendors) will agree with. They can ask their PR firm to do that for them. There is a clear disclaimer in the first paragraphs.

As for the definition of "late". There cant be any discussion that its several months later than they originally (claimed they) expected. Of course delays "changing timelines" can happen, the point is that it did happen (over and over again). When unexpected  things cause a shift in delivery schedule or planning, I cant call that anything other than a delay. They only way for it not to be a delay is if the shift was not unexpected. In that case, its indeed not late, but then they lied.

Frankly Im embarrassed for BFL the way Josh tries to make a point that because they gave no formal promise, this delay didnt happen. By his logic they can ship in 2020 and still be not be late. But in a way its good he's writing it here, so prospective newbie customers can find out first hand just how little it means when BFL states something.

un-fucking-believable. I said you were 2-3 months late. I dont care if that was a promise or an estimate. Are you 2-3 months late, or are you not?

Anyway, good job proving newbies why trusting you or your company is insane. IN case anyone didnt know, Inaba is the COO of BFL and this is how he conducts business:

Ok, Ill bite. Here is what you posted in august of last year:

Middle/Late October
Chips are out of the fab and sent to the slice, bump and packaging facility
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html

When did this happen ?  Two days ago, January 13th:
Chips have arrived at the packaging facility!
https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh/status/422780954461999104

How exactly is that "less than a month" late? Thats almost 3 months late, just like I wrote, "2-3 months". So far.

From that same link:
We did not reach our goal of November delivery.

You didnt reach it in December either. And I bet you a pretty penny you will not reach it in January either. But you dare say with a straight face you are less than a month late?