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1301  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 22, 2014, 07:59:21 AM
Keep dreaming Jimmy. Bitfury already manages 0.62J/GH at the wall on 55nm with their very first design. And it can do 0.5J/GH when underclocked. There never was a failed 40, 28 let alone 20nm BF design.
1302  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 22, 2014, 07:16:07 AM
Bitcoin hashrate today: 250 Ph and flat
https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?showDataPoints=false&timespan=&show_header=true&daysAverageString=7&scale=0&address=

BitFury: 100 MW with .2 J/Gh = 500 Ph

If BitFury wants to roll out 500Ph and control less than 51% they need to:
 - 1) either have the network reach 1 Eh, therefore they need someone else to add another 250Ph
 - 2) either start selling and shipping their hardware / chips, in which case the 100MW argument becomes irrelevant.

Let's go with 1), 250 Ph / 1 Eh = 25% of the network

Who is going to sell / own those 250 Ph?
Seems in line with AM's plan.

You're absolutely bonkers trying to spin this as somehow being a positive for AM.  Its right up there with the dude saying having 3x worse power efficiency is a good thing because it allows you to serve different markets.

A few hints for you: BF has no incentive to maintain less than 51% of the network. Aside from selling actual hardware they also resell and host a significant portion of their hashrate to partners like cryptx and DigitalBTC. No one cares if >51% of the network runs on hardware produced by the same vendor. 

Moreover, BF doesnt have to fill its DC's to capacity. They will add hashrate for as long it makes financial sense, regardless of their % of the network. If it no longer makes financial sense for BF to add more, despite having access to hardware at cost, access to extremely cheap hosting and electricity (check out their datacenter design and electricity prices in georgia republic) and despite probably having (by far) the most power efficient hardware, then who do you think will buy or deploy AM gear?

Of course, bitfury still has to make good on its promises, it may fail to deliver, or you may hope on it being a bluff, but based on their trackrecord, I wouldnt bet a satoshi on that.
1303  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 21, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
I'll have some of what you are smoking..
1304  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 21, 2014, 09:29:45 PM
In a few words:

 - No upside. There is absolutely no upside whatsoever in revealing the strategy to the public. Rule #1 of business, don't give away your strategy. If you do, it's for pushing around the competition or raise money. They don't need to do any of that right now.

Thats simply untrue in the zero sum game that the mining market is. If anything, you *want* to let your competitors know, possibly even exaggerate what your plans are.

Make everyone believe you will have x exahash online online in y months with 0.1W/GH would go a long way to kill your competition stone dead, both by stopping them from getting (pre)oders and making them and their investors think twice about their own planned capacity. Why do you think bitfury is making public what they are aiming for and the capacity they are planning to put online? Id quiver in my boots if I ran a large scale mining op. Or for that matter, held AM shares. 100MW and 0.2J/GH in a few months. 0.1J/GH next year. Fuck me, if BFL had said that Id shrug it off, but when bitfury says that, especially after securing the funding,  it aint a joke.

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With info: No one would want to buy your shares.

I guess its not "good info" that you are thinking off.
1305  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 21, 2014, 11:59:35 AM
Sounds like you are proud you profited from this scam and from the fact you might get away from it. No different than the people who ran it. Lets hope they can trace your IP.
1306  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 21, 2014, 11:19:06 AM

Again USA civil lawsuit doesn't mean anything internationally.  

And if you bothered to check the list you would have seen that while the gross majority is from the US, the receivership are suing net winners all over the world. And that certainly does matter if you have any plans to ever travel there.

Now Zeek was run from the US, and its the SEC that stepped in and a US receiver filing in US court etc. I dont think its clear yet where BT was run from, but legislation about ponzi's isnt that different in most civilized counties.
1307  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 21, 2014, 10:27:04 AM
Whats the matter dyask, afraid they will come after your ponzi profits?

If you have any, you probably should be. Some reading for you:

On March 3, 2014, I announced the filing of a lawsuit to obtain the return of the money paid out to net winners in the ZeekRewards scheme in excess of the amount they paid into RVG. In that lawsuit, Kenneth D. Bell v. Todd Disner, et al., Civil Action No. 3:14-cv-91, I made claims against more than 10 of ZeekRewards' largest "net winners" in the United States asking that the Court order them to repay the net winnings they received from the scheme. I also made class action claims against approximately 9,400 ZeekRewards net winners in the United States who each won more than $1,000.

http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/


1308  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 21, 2014, 06:41:09 AM
hell in that case, everybody that wins a lottery ticket (powerball, etc) should pay all the money back to the ppl that "invested" their dollars into the tickets they bought in the hopes of winning the jackpot lmao


either way, that's never gonna happen. and everybody knows it.

Dont be an idiot. No one who bought a lottery ticket was promised profits.

As for clawbacks never gonna happen, I wouldnt bet on it. As an example:
http://www.ponziclawbacks.com/2014/03/06/zeek-rewards-ponzi-scheme-clawback/

I certainly hope it gets to that. Many of the investors in this knew it was a ponzi, but gambled they could get out in time. If it becomes clear to them that even if they manage to get out in time, their profits can still be confiscated, these ponzi's wouldnt get very far anymore.
1309  Other / Meta / Re: [ABOUT THIS FORUM] Profile picture on: October 17, 2014, 08:30:35 AM
Almost a year later, it still isnt fixed. Nor is the search function that has been useless since 2011.
Think Id better donate some more coins to this forum, clearly 8370 BTC isnt enough.
1310  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 16, 2014, 03:52:28 PM
If you want to prove the scam, just ask who the reputable company was that was doing the audit. In the fantasy world where this company actually exists, surely they would have something to say on this.
1311  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) on: October 14, 2014, 05:43:16 PM
2014-10-14   2014-10-14   0.00000520

delicious crumbs Puppet! Thanks  Wink

Glad to see that makes you happy. How many of those before you break even on your investment ?
BTW, thats about the first time in recent history you get close to what you mathematically should expect. Close but still no cigar. With >$400/BTC, on average you should expect >560 satoshi. You're averaging half that recently. But hey, as long as you're happy!
1312  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) on: October 13, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
Can you elaborate a bit on that

Each share = 1GH/s. 1GH mines 1437 satoshi's on average at todays difficulty and basically the same the previous period;
fees are $0.105 per GH per month, or  921 satoshi per day (@ $380/BTC). So on average you'd expect  ~500 satoshi divs.
You're getting about half that on average. And if its "bad luck", its been going on for a looong time.
1313  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) on: October 13, 2014, 10:29:29 AM
Those reduced fees make all the difference in the world:
Code:
2014-10-13	2014-10-13	0.00000068

Funny that no one here seems to mind the math doesnt add up. At all. Pitiful as divs are supposed to be, cryptx isnt even paying nearly as "much" as that.
1314  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 13, 2014, 06:22:47 AM

It's a smart Ponzi because it convinced people to invest, telling them that it was not a Ponzi.  Telling from the company, it has been successful.  Not everyone can tell that it's a Ponzi, or else it wouldn't have been nearly as successful.


It seems like it was moderately successful (though it remains to be seen how much they looted, I dont believe it came anywhere near Obsi's or Pirateat40's loot), that doesnt make it "clever". Just about every scam ever posted on this forum was successful. I mean even things like "Dank's Bank"
1315  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 12, 2014, 11:02:52 PM
Greed costs dude, BT is a ponzi , a smart one, but its a ponzi Smiley

How is it smart? I never seen a more obvious ponzi, and Ive been around the block(chain), ive seen lots and lots of them.  None where so blatantly using all the tricks in the book. I mean.. all the social networking reach out ? using referral links? Really?  What legitimate insanely profitable venture would be so desperate for more funds that they set up an elaborate referral scheme? The only thing they didnt do  (or maybe they did) was cold calling from a Bangladesh call center. The "smart" ponzi's actually made you feel special that you could even invest in them. They pretended it was a rare privilege.
1316  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 12, 2014, 04:39:27 PM
This is true and BTC is the logical anonymous magnet..I do not need btc to transfer money...I do not have the calling. We all make choices and I have decided for myself btc is going nowhere its just a passing fancy. I have been wrong all my life about things...so chances are that I am wrong...I have a bitter taste in my mouth from btc and my decisions...can't change that.

You didnt "invest" in this scam to transfer money, you did so expecting a fat profit. The same reason may lead you to buy and hold bitcoins (in cold storage). Mine so far have gone up ~10000% in just a few years; while that may not happen again, Im still confident it will go up further and  I dont get why people think that potential is not enough and waste their precious coins on scams hoping to do better.
1317  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 12, 2014, 04:28:01 PM
You know folks...I have not been able to make any money with bitcoin it is just a passing scam...We have paypal and transfer systems much more reliable and that are not a hotbed for snake oiling scamming theives (the anonymous nature of BTC is their magnet).

I am tending to side with Warren Buffett recently.

ElectricSavant

Wait so people who invested fiat money in this scam will get their money back you think?
Ha!

Its a scam, it doesnt matter if you gave them dollars, gold or bitcoin. If you are dumb enough not to see something ran by an anonymous group who claim to make > 3000% YoY with your money is a scam or ponzi, you only have yourself to blame. Try sending dollars to the next Nigerian Prince who emails you and see how that works out.
1318  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin-trader.biz on: October 12, 2014, 09:19:19 AM

If such sock puppets aren't legally complicit to fraud, then maybe they should be? Anyone who signs up to promote HYIPs that turn out to be scams, even if they aren't the actual kingpins, should be held liable to a certain extent.


(b) Prosecution of persons who aid and abet violations
For purposes of any action brought by the Commission under subparagraph (b) or (d) of section 77t of this title, any person that knowingly or recklessly provides substantial assistance to another person in violation of a provision of this subchapter, or of any rule or regulation issued under this subchapter, shall be deemed to be in violation of such provision to the same extent as the person to whom such assistance is provided.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/77o

So yes, he must likely is liable under SEC regulation. Just saying "I didnt know" isnt good enough  if the behavior is deemed "reckless". If you are promoting an unregistered security offered by anonymous people promising returns only a ponzi scheme can, Im pretty sure that would qualify as reckless.
1319  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 11, 2014, 08:11:24 AM
OK, so maybe they want to off load some risk or find some suckers who will pay more than it's worth. Pure nonsense Roll Eyes

Isnt that the essence of AM's business model (and that of every other asic vendor) ?

Have you heard Friedcat asking for an additional round of  investments?

Reread the above, and see where it says "investors".
Selling mining equipment to end users t is just another way to offload risk to suckers who generally want to pay more than its worth.
1320  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 11, 2014, 12:09:26 AM
OK, so maybe they want to off load some risk or find some suckers who will pay more than it's worth. Pure nonsense Roll Eyes

Isnt that the essence of AM's business model (and that of every other asic vendor) ?
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