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1941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2015, 03:08:46 PM
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So , what price are we following right now (10$ spread between china and west)?
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BFX to keep score.  Figured since it's higher than Houbi, I'd throw the bulls a bone...

...poor herbivores Sad
1942  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2015, 02:59:06 PM
1943  Economy / Speculation / Re: Counter to "Why Bitcoin is dropping ...buying." AMA format / doomsday debunked on: January 08, 2015, 02:53:22 PM
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There is no real arguing with an entity with a lot more power than you that they should have less power. You will never win that argument.

Yup.  Might makes right.  Which doesn't stop keyboard revolutionaries from grumbling.
1944  Economy / Speculation / Re: Counter to "Why Bitcoin is dropping ...buying." AMA format / doomsday debunked on: January 08, 2015, 02:48:41 PM
No.  France has never agreed to you your living there without paying taxes.

The point is that if you live on taxpayer's money, you don't ACTUALLY pay taxes...

Not even wrong.  If you work for me, draw pay, and return all of that pay in exchange for rent on the house (that you also rent from me), can you say that you're not getting paid?
If this is difficult for you to grasp, try not paying taxes on what you earn to understand why.

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If you were born at my house, would you feel entitled to live at my house for the rest of your life?  Do you feel that you have a right to live in the maternity ward of the hospital where you were born for free?  How is that different from living in France without paying for it?

That's infrastructure, right ?


It's infrastructure, the land beneath it, the services provided, whole package.  Like living in a country.

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Then owning a piece of land is a crime against nature.  It is as repugnant as owning the air above that land.  In short, GET OFF MY LAWN, capitalist imperialist running dog pig Angry

Indeed, owning land is an aberration. [snip] This makes that the state gets an income based upon the bids for natural resources, and no taxation is necessary.  The state has to handle its stuff with its income.

So the state owns the land?  Good.  Finally getting somewhere.
You have no right to dictate to the state what it does with its property.  Get off my lawn Smiley
1945  Economy / Speculation / Re: Counter to "Why Bitcoin is dropping ...buying." AMA format / doomsday debunked on: January 08, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
^@B.A.S: Which Florida vs United states are you talking about?  If you ever read case law, you'd know there's a shitton of them Smiley
1946  Economy / Speculation / Re: Counter to "Why Bitcoin is dropping ...buying." AMA format / doomsday debunked on: January 08, 2015, 02:13:09 PM
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Speaking about the US:

1) Forced taxation of its citizen is in and of itself unconstitutional, i.e. in the US, it is illegal for the government to force its citizens to pay taxes just because they are in the US.

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2) However, the law states that all citizens must file a tax return. It is illegal to not file a tax return, i.e. all citizens are forced to file a return.

3) In effect, failure to file is illegal (punished constitutionally) in order to in force taxation (unconstitutionally).

Stop listening to batshit crazies from the intertubes.  Do you really think you're the first to think of "it's unconstitutional" argument, snowflake?
1947  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does $280 makes you hope again? on: January 08, 2015, 01:58:57 PM
... We will know more when if Bitstamp reopens.

FTFY
1948  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2015, 01:56:55 PM
Personally, my faith would be strengthened and I would keep trading there, if they come back.

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1949  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2015, 01:52:52 PM
Pwnage.  Pwnage,  gentlemen.
1950  Economy / Speculation / Re: Counter to "Why Bitcoin is dropping ...buying." AMA format / doomsday debunked on: January 08, 2015, 01:41:23 PM

When did France agree to you living there without paying taxes?  I hope you saved the contract, because France tells me she didn't.


Since I live on tax payer money :-)

Ok, they give me some, and take some back, but I live net, partly, on the French (and partly on British, and German, and ...) taxpayer's hard-earned money :-)

Before, I produced wealth and earned money.  But states took a big part of that away and I didn't want to be in slavery.  Now, I'm on the other side of the fence, where I produce almost nothing (of any value on the market), and live good on other people's stolen production.  I don't really think that is good, but it is better to steal, than to be stolen.  Given that in a pseudo-communist system, it is one or the other, and there is no fair earning what you produce, it is better to be on the state's theft side.  So that's what I do.

However, your point is a logical fallacy.  You compared "paying taxes" to "paying rent when you live in a house".  I pointed out to you where that comparison fails:
1) living in a house for rent is a mutual agreement, while paying taxes isn't.

No.  France has never agreed to you your living there without paying taxes.  If you were born at my house, would you feel entitled to live at my house for the rest of your life?  Do you feel that you have a right to live in the maternity ward of the hospital where you were born for free?  How is that different from living in France without paying for it?

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2) living "on earth" (so, in a country) is not the same thing as "living in a house" because earth is not a produced good that belongs to someone, contrarily to a house.  Living on earth is a natural state of affairs, like breathing the air is.  For many reasons, the country is not owned by a bunch of people calling themselves a state, no more than the air in the forrest is my property and no more than I could ask money for somebody who is breathing.
Only the result of production can ideally be owned.

Then owning a piece of land is a crime against nature.  It is as repugnant as owning the air above that land.  In short, GET OFF MY LAWN, capitalist imperialist running dog pig Angry

1951  Economy / Speculation / Re: So, why did Bitstamp suspend fiat withdrawals? on: January 08, 2015, 01:27:32 PM
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They're then like "umm fuck, our fiat doesn't match our coins" and shut everything down followed by quickly going insolvent.

1952  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 08, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
Good morning gentlemen!  Everything good?



A place where there isn't any trouble. Do you suppose there is such a place, Toto? There must be.
It's not a place you can get to by a boat or a train. It's far, far away. Behind the moon, beyond the rain...
1953  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why I believe a beautiful and very bullish Bitcoin storm is forming on: January 07, 2015, 10:27:16 PM

*Seriously tho, didn't your hubby used to post here?  He gone?
1954  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 07, 2015, 10:10:28 PM
OK, but we gonna make sure we time our sells just right.  Ready?

1955  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 07, 2015, 09:53:51 PM
When the pump is over
Turn out the lights
Cry

Pretend, for a moment, that you are heavily invested in bitcoin. Give me an example of a post you would make.

gud bie, crool wurld Cry

*Did I do good?
1956  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 07, 2015, 09:40:30 PM
When the pump is over
Turn out the lights
Cry
1957  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does $280 makes you hope again? on: January 07, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
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It's not just awesome, it's a fair distribution envisioned by Satoshi! While infrastructure is being built, everyone can get a coin because the supply is still high. He gave people enough time so that even the blind could see. See? Smiley

Don't be ridiculous-- he never intended a handful of factory megamines to burn more electricity than aluminum smelters.  That's not distribution--that's called a cabal Smiley

Also, you sound like a church lady quoting the red letter Bible--"Satoshi envisioned" Roll Eyes
1958  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does $280 makes you hope again? on: January 07, 2015, 09:11:34 PM
agree with OP: it's all pump and dump from here.

Bitcoin is done. Killed by inflation.

Will it be killed a bit less each time the inflation rate exponentially drops? The quality of trolling really needs a bump on here.

When the FED prints money to debase the USD, it's a bad thing, but when Bitcoin does it [at a rate that debases BTC an order of magnitude faster], it's awesome Roll Eyes
1959  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 07, 2015, 08:30:06 PM
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the troll has never heard of the "new economy bubble"

I believe the word Buffett used was "mirage."
1960  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 07, 2015, 08:28:57 PM
How many thousands of % did it go up before the drop, again?

Infinity %?  But hey, let the memories you cherish comfort you in your time of grief.
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