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201  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: October 21, 2015, 05:19:37 PM
I've been experimenting with electrum restore seed function, and its either really buggy or something is wrong.

entered frequent into the seed box, and can continue to generate a wallet.

god god god god god god god god god god god god works and I can create a wallet, however

fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun doesnt work

abandon abandon abandon abandon abandon abandon abandon abandon abandon abandon abandon ab works

acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid acid aci also works

Well, it seems Electrum doesn't like fun.
202  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: September 09, 2015, 07:12:47 PM
Anyway, after thinking well around all this, I'm definitely sure that a sentence:

- more than 100 characters
- unknown language
- possibly with invented words
- possibly with grammar errors
- with caps letters
- possibly with numbers
- possibly with punctuation.

is more secure than:

- always-english
- common dictionary
- no caps
- no numbers
- no punctuation

randomly generated seed of 12 words.

AND it's much easier to remember, thus giving an actual chance to many users to just hold the sentence in their brain and nowhere else.

Yes but i dont understand why we are forced to only 12 words.

The devs force use to have 12 words, what if i want 30 words?

I just dont understand why are they deciding it for us with the pretense "that they know better".

I want to decide my own password and length of it.

They don't allow it because, hoping that Bitcoin will become common use money, there will be a huge effort by hackers to break into users accounts.
This situation will be associated with the fact that the common user usually sets too weak passwords. This would happen with the seed as well.
But then again: as it's commonly use to force users to put caps and numbers in passwords, other mandatory rules can be added when generating a seed.
And I'm pretty sure I demonstrated that a user generated sentence with the rules I set up is more difficult to break than a random generated seed of 12 words without caps, numbers, punctuation, generated from some much used dictionary library... and there's the additional feature that you can easily remember your sentence.
203  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: September 08, 2015, 05:44:42 PM
What if my sentence was written in... italian? (it is, actually)
Should a hacker implement several languages grammar?
I still think we are going a bit too far in the paranoid field here...

What if my sentence is written in... a dialect, of any language?

Also keep in mind there's quite some people that CAN'T write correctly.
Just to stay on the english side: many mistake IT'S with ITS, HIS with HE'S, YOUR with YOU'RE, and much more...

Professional password breakers, use dictionary attacks on the passwords, and they got a dictionary of all words, dialects, new words, of all languages.

Probably they focus on major ones.

If your password is in like Navajo or some really obscure language then it might be harder to break, but even then dont put your address,name, or birthdate in it.



Seems to me like you people want to refuse the reality.

Anyway, after thinking well around all this, I'm definitely sure that a sentence:

- more than 100 characters
- unknown language
- possibly with invented words
- possibly with grammar errors
- with caps letters
- possibly with numbers
- possibly with punctuation.

is more secure than:

- always-english
- common dictionary
- no caps
- no numbers
- no punctuation

randomly generated seed of 12 words.

AND it's much easier to remember, thus giving an actual chance to many users to just hold the sentence in their brain and nowhere else.
204  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: September 08, 2015, 03:47:43 PM
What if my sentence was written in... italian? (it is, actually)
Should a hacker implement several languages grammar?
I still think we are going a bit too far in the paranoid field here...

What if my sentence is written in... a dialect, of any language?

Also keep in mind there's quite some people that CAN'T write correctly.
Just to stay on the english side: many mistake IT'S with ITS, HIS with HE'S, YOUR with YOU'RE, and much more...
205  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: September 08, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
Hell, if your funds warrant that level of security, put it into a sealed envelope and place that one into an insured bank vault. The same principles of storing anything physical of great value applies here, only that in our favor (a) you rarely if ever need to get the item (only to recover your keys), and (b) the item is small, so hiding it or renting some safety box is easier than having to do so for a larger object.

You can 3D print a ring and stamp the words inside it, just an idea Cheesy
206  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: September 07, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
It's neither "paranoid", nor is the exact POS example I gave, and whether there can be exceptions, important. I just picked it as an example to make the problem more relatable.

To be clear: if your sequence of (dictionary) words is the output of a grammar, it is more predictable than a random sequence of dictionary items. See for example Shannon's classic paper on the entropy of English.

Note that Shannon makes no theoretical assumptions about which grammar underlies English. I'm not an expert in password cracking methods, so I can't give you any hard numbers, but I imagine that an n-gram based method (i.e. the classical SML model) would provide a relevant speed up in the search (under the assumption that the sequence is a grammatically valid sentence of English).

From Shannon's paper: "This method is based on a study of
the predictability of English; how well can the next letter of a text be predicted
when the preceding N letters are known"

We should note that when brute forcing seeds, none of the preceding letters are known.

Branching out in a tree-like fashion quickly yields too combinations to make use of the predictability
methods you speak of. It's like trying to brute force guess all the moves of billions of chess games
played between relatively strong engines.  Yes, only certain moves make sense,
but the combinations still branch out exponentially.

You might find marginally higher security in choosing a pure random sequence, but
I think the overwhelming factor in having a week seed isn't found in grammatical predictability,
but instead in the simple bad decision of using a previously known combination from
a book, movie, etc.



Completely agree on this.
You can try guess my sentence, but you never know if the first 3 words are ok: you will have to go with all the sentences that can be realized anyway. Still huge work.
Also note that my sentence is 140 characters long and INCLUDES PUNCTUATION, thing that the random generated words do not.

But now I throw another dice on the table: HOW LARGE IS THE DICTIONARY USED TO GENERATE THE RANDOM SEED?
Have you thought about a hacker that knows there are maybe 10 or 12 available dictionaries online and uses them to generate his sequence?
Now how QUICK would that be? Or anyway, QUICKER than hacking my sentence, with EXTRA INVENTED WORDS that the commonly used dictionary hasn't, with PUNCTUATION, that the random generated seed doesn't put in for obvious reasons, with CAPS LETTERS, that the random generated seed doesn't put in.

So, is my request so bad after all? I really don't think so.
And as you force the user to learn 12 words, you can force the user to generate a sentence that is SO LONG, contains SUCH CHARACTERS like at least 2 or 3 cap letters, and at least 3 punctuation signs.

I'm still on my position with random seed:
1) very few people will learn the seed by memory.
2) I have very good memory (tested) and IQ over 140, and still I didn't want to waste energy learning that sequence of words.
3) limited dictionary probably easily exploitable by hackers
4) people will write those words down somewhere.
Result: the seed is out of the user's brain.

User defined sentence seed:
1) easier to remember because the user can generate a sentence of his/her will.
2) harder to break: no words from more or less know dictionaries, caps letters, punctuation, invented words.
3) less people will write down the sentence, and even then... it's just a sentence, maybe a sentence on a diary, nobody could spot it if it's well hidden in plain sight.
207  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Why you cannot enter an arbitrary seed in Electrum on: September 07, 2015, 04:17:52 PM
I loved my little furry Jeenee, got her at the beach in an afternoon of summer 1992. Now Jeenee is no more but my memory for her still lives.

[...]

What do you think about this?

The problem with this is that it's a grammatically well-formed sentence, not a randomly chosen sequence of items. That probably makes it easier for you to remember, but it's also easier to predict what follows next. For example, after "I loved my little ...", the next word has to be an adjective or a noun (phrase), so a search can exclude (or at least, discount) inflected verbs, prepositions, etc.

(EDIT) And the problem with "original" words is that (a) you have no guarantee that they are original, and (b) they constitute a single point of failure, i.e. if the security of your (otherwise not so secure) passphrase rests on the originality of a single word, and you are wrong about it being original, you're screwed.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we are a bit on the paranoic side of the matter now.

You can search a word like Jeenee: if it brings less than N results, you can be sure it will be in the last positions as a tried password term. Or even just passed altogether.
Also, the originality of that phrase doesn't rest on a single word, it's just ONE additional measure of security. The phrase itself is all original, or at least self produced.

Also on your assumption "the next word has to be an adjective or a noun" the paranoic is powerful in you Cheesy
It's not wrong what you say, but it's a very complex programming matter imho.
I could have put Jeenee, which is a name, following in there, no nouns or adjectives or anything. Or I could have separated the adjectives with commas. Or not, no commas. As you can see there's more options that you think. Screw jumping one in your hacking code, in you can let it search up forever.

But I want to consider another factor, that I think many people forget: time.
How many tries can you do in one second?
I mean, you have the best connection out there, and you try and try and try to hack into one Bitcoin account with false credentials with your hacking routine. How many tries can be done PRACTICALLY?
NOT theorethically. PRACTICALLY.
So don't bring up IBM supercomputers, and imagine a common hacker, with common CPU power, that wants to hack a common person address.
208  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitfury goes, its all over. The debate has been won. on: August 25, 2015, 02:08:23 AM
How to switch to XT?

Download it from bitcoinxt.software.

Install and done, its that simple.


Thank you.
But there's a thing I can't understand: is it another coin, so I have to buy it, or is it working on the same blockchain of Bitcoin???
209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Industry Endorses Bigger Blocks and BIP101 on: August 25, 2015, 01:15:56 AM
Bitcoin dropping to hell again... and I don't fuckin know what to do.
210  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitfury goes, its all over. The debate has been won. on: August 25, 2015, 01:04:52 AM
How to switch to XT?
211  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which will be the first country who will accept bitcoin ? on: August 21, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
witch country do you thing will be the first who will accept bitcoin official money as payment?

As you can see in this scheme (sheet 2), the highest density of venues accepting Bitcoin are in Tampa and Kansas City, both USA.
In general, USA also has the highest number of users and venues on all territory.
Despite intuition, poor countries are not the first users that will gain access.
Poor countries have problems in buying a smartphone or a pc.
Other factors are more important, like tech savvy percent of population in example (that's why US is on top, together with Europe and other country with good income and instruction).
But I think that there will not be a real "first nation" adopting Bitcoin.
It will be a slow and steady adoption together in USA and Europe first probably, and following other countries like Argentina, Brasil, Mexico, countries that are not too poor but not rich either, and that have problems with their currency. The ones that are at high inflation but where population CAN actually buy a pc or a smartphone without collapsing.
A good case to examine is Greece: it's in Europe, it's not too poor, but despite this Bitcoin adoption in there is very very low. I think this is due exactly to poor pc penetration in the country: people are afraid of this "computer money" they can't understand, so they need more bashing before go and learn what Bitcoin really is.
212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Google have been conspicuously quiet about Bitcoin for 6 years. What gives? on: August 21, 2015, 08:02:54 PM
Can you imagine what could mean for ANY cryptocurrency when Google would declare to be integrating one in its systems?
That would probably mean a 300% value boom in few days.
213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I lost my bitcoin address please help! on: August 21, 2015, 05:21:32 PM
I lost my wallet   please change my address
my new bitcoin address is  1LStHUdUYTYtkBDxJ44Yr7no5y1aNytQUE

Sure thing buddy.
Your address in now officially: 1LStHUdUYTYtkBDxJ44Yr7no5y1aNytQUE
Congratulations!



Ye well, I just put my address as a QR code in FB profile, so what?
That's my official address.
I can make thousands, as you should well know.
214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will you use old Bitcoin if XT wins? on: August 21, 2015, 05:08:20 PM
No. I'll just stick it to the majority, either it being Core, XT, or whatever comes (whether I like it or not), under the risk of not being able to send/receive transactions and not being able to buy/sell goods to users of the longest/most accepted chain/chain with most hashrate.

You may get the both, check this guide - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157679.0.

Nope. There will be only one winner because of the economic incentive.

I agree. And the same goes for most altcoins: they will be wiped out in some months or couple years.

Bitcoin IS the STANDARD.

Implemented in thousands and thousands of websites, accepted as well, it is the most widespread crypto, and it will remain like that.
Population inertia is a LARGE factor in money adoption.
Bitcoin blockchain buffer size will be changed when it will be needed.
Natural selection: XT will pop soon.
215  Other / Off-topic / Re: The biggest XT shills and their true motives on: August 21, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
The fun thing is, when XT will fail, there will be a sudden bump back to Bitcoin that could invite dubious investors  Grin
216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Vanity Generator on: August 14, 2015, 08:27:59 AM
Vanity?  So you mean Ethereum "investors" are full of vanity?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Vainglory
Main article: Vanity
Conversion of the Magdalene' or 'Allegory of Modesty and Vanity by Bernardino Luini, c. 1520

Vainglory (Latin, vanagloria) is unjustified boasting. Pope Gregory viewed it as a form of pride, so he folded vainglory into pride for his listing of sins.

217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: August 14, 2015, 07:56:53 AM
INCOMING: 2 USD     WITHIN THE NEXT 5 HOURS!



Put your heads together everyone. Open up CMC.com look at all those coins...just stare at them for one min. So many of them are all trying to achieve the exact same thing. Build ontop of the blockchain to make smart contracts etc,. NXT...BTS.EVEN MAID ..theyre all the same with different twists. ETH will have decentralized autonomous internet browsers. The FACT IS...IBM AND SAMSUNG CHOSE ETH FOR THEIR ADEPT PROGRAM. Every other ALT coin wished they were in that position with IBM and Samsung.. This is the beginning guys...the TECH is beautiful...IBM knows it ...Samsung knows it....they launched this coin very fairly as well. Some people may have missed out. Thats why there is all the FUD and you dont see many people commenting here as people dont want to HYPE this too much and accumulate as much as possible before the next few releases... here are my predictions for the upcoming releases from the Ethereum foundation:

Frontier: $1-$5
Homestead: $4-$8
Metropolis: $10-$15
Serenity: $20-$30



OTHER ETHEREUM INFO:

ETH DEV UPDATE 8/10/15 : https://youtu.be/3uvbIyzsCLY     "ETH WILL BE VALUABLE" -Quote from video

OTHER ETH VIDEOS: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j23HnORQXvs
                               2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1XOPIqyP7A
                               3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwaBM-kQeqc


THANK YOU VITALIK KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Vanity Generator on: August 14, 2015, 07:26:05 AM
Can you make a stand alone executable for Win?  Angry Grin
219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum - Stay out! on: August 14, 2015, 07:21:04 AM
I missed the ICO and came across ETC - Ethercoin on Bittrex and they were going to exchange their coins for ETH once released, I picked up a few but got rid of them just before the ETH release at a small profit as it seemed to look like there would be a massive dump before a stable price would take place as all the ICO folk would no doubt unload their coins after waiting so long.

I have also some ETC on Bettrex and dont know how to go forward.
so the coins will be changed automaticalle into ETH if the released on Bittrex ? when ? and where does thins information come from.
or is it easier to go the way over https://www.kraken.com/ether ?
for me it makes no sense to hold the ETC because the will dying, right ?

There is no reason why ETC should survive. ETH has a huge inflation... There is no need for ETC. Funny that the ETC-price is over the ETH-price. Makes no sense.

Quote
Ethercoins are redeemable for Ether on a 1:1 basis.

They quite changed their vision eheh.

Anyway, I don't really think Ethereum will crumble to death.
Instead, my opinion is that there are good chances it will REPLACE Bitcoin completely.

Samsung partnered with IBM to insert the Internet of Things in the Samsung things.
You can see this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1XOPIqyP7A

This can easily mean that the next Samsung Galaxy will have an Ether Wallet preinstalled.
And subsequently this means that MILLIONS of people will have an Ether Wallet in their smartphone, either they want it or not.
And subsequently this means that there will be MUCH more advertising about Ethereum than of Bitcoin.
And subsequently this means that developers and producers will put Ether automation systems into their machinery/services/automatic distributors.

Imagine you go at a bar now and pay with Bitcoin.

Now, imagine in 2 years you go at a bar, and you and your barman have a Samsung phone.
You can pay him in ETH.
It's TOTALLY, COMPLETELY predictable.

Also, consider that IBM will probably sell its system (featuring Ethereum, BitTorrent, etc) to other large producers.

Hey, don't need to mention the advertising Samsung WILL make about all of this, right?
I can see them stamping the Ether logo everywhere... not the Bitcoin logo.
This is kind of sad... but I think there's good chances it will go this way.

I'm seriously thinking if Ethereum is going to replace Bitcoin in just 2 years... and if Ethereum is the cryptocurrencies killer app.
220  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake on: August 12, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
Why are CLAM getting so much value?

There is a theory that demand driven by Just-Dice.com has caused the recent spike in the price of CLAM. Most of the CLAMs are in the Just-Dice bankroll, earning around 0.2% per day rather than sitting in sell orders on an exchange earning nothing. That means there's not much supply for people wanting to buy, and so the price tends to increase.

Thank you! Smiley
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