I think it can be boiled down to not being infringed upon. Human fetus is a human life. No human has the right to infringe upon another human life without their permission. A fetus is a human life incapable of giving their permission.

I believe there are distinct differences between food sources and human beings. I do not believe food source life is the same as human life. Most plants and animals are food sources. A fetus is not a food source required for survival by any species of life. So the answer to your question would be no.

Even religion makes this distinction if you believe in such things. For instance, the bible says thou shalt not kill, but Jesus fed the people fish and bread. Those are at least 2 forms of life. Fish and the wheat plant. Yeast as well if it was used then. Same goes with the fermentation process that goes with the sacrimental wine representing the blood of Christ.

The food chain. We are on top not because we want to be, but because we think, learn, rationalize, and most importantly, we have the intellect to ask questions and answer them, which leads to the manipulation of the world around us that improves our quality of life.

This is the belief and rationalization that I believe the ruling elites have. They consider non-thinking humans as beasts, and people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people, according to them, are "beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent".

I suppose it all depends how you justify your actions, but I do not know another way to survive, and in the end its about survival of your species. The preservation of your species. The smartest survive.

All that said, arguements can be made about the unecessary loss of life.

is it ok to kill an insect that is pestering you ?

a rodent ?

a gopher or a groundhog tearing up your yard ?

a bee hive that built a nest in/under the eaves of your home ?

no, thats why democracy does not work.

if enough people vote on it, they can bring back public executions, slavery, heresy, or kill you because you spoke out against the government.

with stated un-a-lien-able rights, they cant do that, because it violates those basic birth-rights everyone enjoys.

thats the beautiy of birth-rights.

they are automatic and last forever.

Every human being should enjoy the same birth rights, as they should have back then. Hard to say much more about that deporable episode in time other than to say that slavery is thousands of years old and included every race...not jsut blacks. At the time though, freedom was a new concept and its implimentation left alot to be desired. Not the concept and the wording. Every human.

By default of nature, a pregnant woman is responsible for the child inside her because she gave it life.

A fetus has not developed, has no rational though processes, and can not choose for itself, therefore it is not possible for it to make an informed decision on where to live and can not exercise any rights it has.

This makes the parents the responsible parties until that child can make those decisions for itself or the parents decide to give that right to someone else through adoption.

It is my hope that some day a technology will be invented that can safely remove a fetus from a woman who does not want the baby so that it may develop through the gestation period, for the life of the child to give it a chance at being adopted while giving the woman the right to get rid of it if she so chooses.

which is why we will never give up our arms and will die defending those birth-rights, for the health, welfare, survival, and prosperity of our descendents, so that they may be free.

if history has proven anything time after time after time is that tyrannical and oppressive leadership and laws will be revolted against and overthrown.

might not happen in my lifetime, but it will happen, and my kids will remember my example, never forget, and pass on the torch.

I would happily die today so that my kids can have a good life if it was required.

I certainly hope it does not come to my death or anyones bloodshed, which is why education and debates like this exist.

what?

surely you can not be serious.

Hard to believe someone actually typed that, let alone believes that.

You may not infringe on anyone elses rights while exercising your own.

I do not have the right to shoot my gun when you are in its sights.

I do not have a right to drive my car when people are standing at my front and back bumpers, unles they are attacking me or my car.

I do not have the right to burn my land when your land is right beside it, unless I can stop stop the fire before it reaches your land.

Life begins at conception. It isnt religion-based. It's simple common sense. People that say life does not begin at conception are just setting you up to justify themselves and the bad deeds they wish to engage in. Why are pregnant women protected and cared for during pregnancy? To protect the LIFE inside them.

No we certainly are not as bad as the USSR was YET. The operative word is YET. Its getting there rapidly.

Go research the history of the founders and top tiered members of the societies, fraternal, and supposed philanthropic 501(c)(3) foundations and organisations that have lead to the globalist juggernaught that has taken over the governments of the world, from international, right down to your local municipality and school boards, especially those in the name of the education, sustainable development, enviroment, world peace, health, and monetary reform.

Its called incrementalism and gradualism.

it should never be YET.

it should always be NEVER.

an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

No. The well-armed sheep in a constitutional republic do not infringe on anyone elses rights, because they have learned from history the importance of EVERYONES birth-rights, and without those birth-rights you are only a subject serving a Crown.

this.

A Constitutional Republic with unalienable birth-rights is a well-armed sheep disputing the vote.

What killed the USSR was a combination of international isolation with trade being limited to only a few non-NATO economies, their upper class, leadership, and military buildup eating up their resources and finances, and the fact that the majority of their citizens were totally reliant on the state for all of their basic needs, like: food and water, toilet paper, housing, public works, electricity, clothing and shoes, healthcare, and pretty much everything else.

Socialism is enslavement. Eventually you will have a revolt when quality of life gets low enough for long enough and everyone sees their family and friends deteriorating and dying.

Now we get to experience it first hand in the American Soviet Socialist Republic.

Time to wake up, people.

As a consumer, you have the freedom to use anything you want as currency. All that's required is acceptance among users. Same goes for the business owner so long as the consumer does not take posession prior to payment. If the consumer does take posession prior to payment, then the debt is existing and seller must accept all denominations of the nations current money, but they can also accept other forms of payment as well.

Not to be unfeeling, but natural selection ocurrs for many reasons, mostly so no ecosystem will become overpopulated is my thinking. Yea, its a shitty deal. So is people stealing your rights, freedom, liberty, and wealth, all for the supposed greater good of humanity. Hell, let them steal it from big business if they simply must have it [which I still disagree with] and leave us little guys the hell alone. NOT [from] those least able to afford it like the average hard working citizen, which is what our system is becoming. But therein lies the rub my friends. It isnt for the greater good for humanity. Its for our enslavement. Very little of the stated goals of these worldwide movements and agendas are actually true and accurate. They are used [thesis - antithesis - synthesis] to advance an alternate agenda and ulterior motives. Which is why no "Wars On _INSERT_SOCIALLY_RESPONSIBLE_SUBJECT_MATTER HERE_" has ever worked (crime, drugs, housing, homeless, poverty, etc).

Our common bond is freedom.

In order to be free we must allow others to be free.

You can not stomp on someones rights in favor of another in the name of humanity [or anything] and still be free.

Taking care of my fellow human is my perogative (that means choice btw), not my obligation to assist in my own enslavement.

Overall, people are good and honest and helpful. People like you mention will be pitied and charitable contributions would happen. Or they would be taken care of with the assistance of orgs and churches who perform this type of assistance from charitable contributions.

I work hard to earn my way through life. I prepare for my future and the future of my family, to care for my elders, and I teach my children the exact same ethic I was taught regardless of the education and media systems trying to program them otherwise. It's been a tough fight and getting tougher every day.

Personal responsibility. Just like in any species of life, you die if you do not do your required work to survive. You, and no one else, is responsible for your survival.

Socailism is a bunch of people who would steal the product of my hard work through legislative means rather than work for what they need to survive. It also breeds entitlement. Entitlement to my stuff just because their parents screwed and had an accident they could not raise appropriately in my opinion.

You have no right to anything you do not work for.

What you DO have is the possibility of others pity in charitable contributions. I believe in pity to help the truly needy. Those that have absolutely no ability to care for themselves. These cases are extremely rare.

If I held a gun to your head because I want that watch you worked hard for would be illegal.

Just like holding a gun to my head or threatening prison time to me for not giving you my hard earned product (my taxes spent on you socialists with an entitlement disorder-  without my consent) should be illegal, but like most things the government and elites advocate is not illegal because they voted to make the illegal- legal.

What happens way in the future when there is absolutely no incentive to work and earn your way through life to survive ?

People stop working and relies on the state. They lose all their wealth and personal property because they can not aford to buy or upkeep it through the high taxes stolen from us.

Totalitarian Police State where everyone is forced into an occupation to work for the state and the greater good of humanity, because everyone is reliant upon the state.

Think about it.

whoever created the test certainly has opinions.

this is not a test without partisan bias IMO

I do not believe any one thing got him convicted. I believe it was the totality of the evidence that did it. Everything added up.

here is a copy of the case in pdf format

No, but I think everyone should prepare for the worse financial times possible.

In my opinion, a collapse like that will never ocurr. What will happen is increasing prices...hyperinflation. That will be (is) our collapse. So, the more you can do for yourself in a true sustainable fashion, the more money you will save (or spend less if you cant save). The politicians will ensure a total colapse of society and infrastructure will never happen. They will create a new currency before that happens, giving the poorest people the most (percentage) in return because thats where the majority of the votes will come from.

What I was saying was that they will never take away social services, because those addicted to them will rise up, revolt, kill and steal, and pretty much do anything within their ability TO survive.

Cold and hungry people are not afraid of prison and certainly wont concern themselves with the law.

Very few people have the skills to survive on their own in this day and age ... by design.

You know, I know alot of well-off people and alot of poor people. A huge part of my family lives very meager existances with very little money, and they do it by farming and raising livestock. They are some of the happiest people I know and they do better than others in lean financial times like we are experiencing right now.

In fact, I had many conversations with my grandparents before their deaths, and they almost didnt even know there was a great depression, if it wasnt for the newspapers telling them. It simply did not affect them because they did everything for themselves on their farm and through trade/barter within their community.

Few, if any, will trust someone new to bitcoin unless you have an existing or past successful relationship with them, especially when using a reversable transaction method such as paypal or any credit means.

This is how I buy bitcoins and it works flawlessly every time:

• Open an account at http://www.dwolla.com/
• Associate your bank account to Dwolla.
• Transfer the amount of dollars you wish to spend on bitcoin from your bank account to Dwolla  (Dwolla does this for you after you associate).
• Then go to http://www.mtgox.com/ and open an account.
• Wait for the funds to become available in your Dwolla account from your transfer, then transfer your cash from Dwolla to MtGox account.
• Then purchase the bitcoins at mtgox. You can spend from mtgox e-wallet or transfer them to your client wallet on your computer and spend from there.

It usually takes me 3 days from bank to dwolla transfer. The rest is pretty fast.

Planning your purchases helps the wait time (mentally).

Yes, it seems a weird way to do it, however once you "get used to it", its very easy, safe, and secure in my opinion as Dwolla and MtGox are quite reputable businesses, although both have their detractors.