It is just another orphaned block.
You are wrong here, either intentionally or ignorant of the situation. It is orphaned because it violates the rules of the majority of the network instead of because of a race condition, but the consequences are the same. Namely, the miner loses out on the subsidy + fees and any transactions not already included in a block are put back in the mempool. Nobody gets hurt except the miner who found the block.
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You may be correct.. no harm, no foul.. but my understanding is that there is a reason for blocksize limits, and some of it has to do with bloat and bandwith, etc etc..
The reason for the blocksize limit is that at the time it was implemented, bitcoins were worthless and blocks were easy to generate with a CPU. Anyone could build huge blocks for no cost. The blocksize limit was added as an antispam measure since it was basically free to spam. Today, if you want to build a big block, you risk that the rest of the network will reject it. If that happens, your block is orphaned and you lose the block reward (subsidy + fees). In order to spam a large block, you have to take the risk that your block will be orphaned, costing you about $11,250 (12.5 btc/block * $900 / btc). Not to mention, that larger blocks take longer to propagate than smaller blocks, so in a race condition, the smaller block will always win and the larger block will be orphaned. Even at the time the blocksize was introduced, Satoshi himself intended for it to be increased at a later date (via a hard fork): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1347.msg15366#msg15366It can be phased in, like:
if (blocknumber > 115000) maxblocksize = largerlimit
It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.
When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade.
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I am also of the understanding that seg wit is a much better solution for a lot of matters and should be the next step, rather than rushing into BU when there does not really appear to be a need for it, not at the moment.. and seg wit is a better next step (at this time).
What problems does segwit solve? Today, you can already drop the signatures from your storage layer after validating them if you want to. Even if there are some advantages to segwit, implementing it as a soft fork is dangerous. It lets old clients think they are fully validating when they aren't. If you are going to require 95%, you might as well hard fork and force outdated clients off the network. Of course, the first time an old client mines a block that spends a segwit transaction under the old definition of the anyone can spend opcode you'll have a hard fork anyway (which will again just be an orphaned block since the segwit network will easily outpace the non-segwit network).
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How you go from this situation to railing about "bullshit coming out of the BU camp" just unveils your ignorance of how things work.
This is just one example of bullshit coming out of the BU camp. There are other examples as well, but there is also no real need to go into detail about other examples. How about we do, since this is the root of my measure of proportion? From my standpoint, you smeared BU based on a misunderstanding of the situation. Obviously, you have some additional beef with the project that led you to make negative assumptions. Maybe if you aired it, I could better understand your position. Miners already have the power to change blocksize by recompiling the code. All BU does is remove that artificial barrier and make it clear that blocksize is a parameter that the market will decide on, not some cabal of self-anointed developers.
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Cryptos are almost like stocks and most people have no interest in learning stocks even though the stock exchange is trusted platform.
Thoughts?
bitcoin is different than stocks, you can't spend stocks or a portion of a stock (paying for coffee with $1 worth of stock) but you can do that with bitcoin. and that is a big difference already in my opinion. and as (mass) adoption goes, i believe we will see it someday or at least a version of it. certainly not every single person will use bitcoin but it can reach a level of adoption that you can at least see it in almost all of online shops and many offline ones. And with 3 transactions per second and 7 billion people on earth, every person can make 1 transaction every 74 years. You'd better plan ahead. Maybe we should restrict it to just the 300 million people in the US. If we do that, we can each make 1 transaction every 3 years.
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It is just another orphaned block. There is an average of one every other day: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-orphaned-blocks?daysAverageString=7Someone took a risk and set their blocksize larger than 1mb. It was a foolish thing to do with the current state of the blocksize debate, but it only hurt the miner who chose that setting. If that someone was running a pool, their users also lost out. Said users will likely find a different pool if this pool doesn't fix their settings. How you go from this situation to railing about "bullshit coming out of the BU camp" just unveils your ignorance of how things work. It is foolish to fight something you don't understand. Hey look, I can say whatever the fuck I want too.... of course both of our posts will probably be deleted for being off topic before the day is up.
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As a transactional currency, it has no chance unless we can reach consensus on a scaling path. 3 transactions per second is a joke.
As an investment, all we need is for the SEC to get out of the way and allow ETFs and options on those ETFs. That will give bitcoin the liquidity it needs to be taken seriously by the people who have enough capital to take us to the next order of magnitude. It will also make bitcoin available as an investment vehicle to anyone with a brokerage account or self directed IRA.
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That is fucking ridiculous. I hope that innocent folks did not lose any money because of that kind of bullshit coming out of the BU camp. You can just listen to some of the nonsense that Roger Ver spouts out to recognize that he is way too emotional about things and he just wants to get his way and to cause disruption (even though he may honestly believe what he is attempting to do is for the good of bitcoin). I'm sure they have ... and it's a lot more money than just this 13.2 BTC because all the hashpower spent working on blocks >1Mbyte would have been totally wasted for any pool running this BU code. They were buying tickets for a fantasy lottery that never existed ... tens of thousands of dollars worth of tickets probably .... power company and Antminer says thank you If it is just get rich quick schemes and emotional reactions, then probably, we don't need to feel sorry for those kinds of folks who may have lost money because they are engaging in a risky business, but if actual innocent people lost money because of orphaned blocks or something like that, then what can be done? I might not be technically aware enough, but isn't it possible that some innocent folks could have gotten screwed on some bitcoin transaction that got orphaned.. or am I misunderstanding the situation? If the BU blocks where orphaned, then the transactions they contained were either included in the competing fork that one out, or they got put back into the mempool and made it into later blocks. No transactions would have been lost. Of course, why learn how transaction processing works before you go spout off about the irresponsibility of one of the groups actually working to increase transaction throughput.
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In short: it would suck donkey balls bigtime.
$550ish is the lowest point we should go if we want to keep the cup & handle instact. So if we indeed go below $780, the bulls should probably try to defend $550 to the death ;-| or otherwise look at a wound to the bull market that would take a year or more to heal.
As long as I continue to have a well paying job and no need to cash out I can't help but get excited about having longer to accumulate.
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820 -> 920 -> 890 is a crash?
Please... crash some more.
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Payload delivered... time for this:
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Wow it's going up fast what's going on?
People are buying And fewer people are n't selling. FTFY Thank you for your pedantic lesson on market mechanics. Can we get back to posting rockets and trains now?
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Shakeout over, resume the rally . (Disclaimer: I am indicating the sentiment behind this move... I'm not claiming we are going straight up from here)
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Wow it's going up fast what's going on?
People are buying And people aren't selling. Actually they are, that's how the people buy in the first place..... For price to move up, there has to be more buyers at the current price than sellers.
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Wow it's going up fast what's going on?
People are buying And people aren't selling.
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don't worry bears, there's no WAY there isn't going to be another annoying dump.
900 was assassinated less than a week ago.
so it seems fitting to stay well below it for a while.
which we won't do.
but when we go above it, we'll get smacked back i imagine.
anyone got any LEGIT TA for us?
Down (hourly), then up (daily).
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http://www.coindesk.com/uk-exchange-coinfloor-embraces-no-fee-bitcoin-trading/London-based digital currency exchange Coinfloor has announced it will adopt a 'no-fee' bitcoin trading policy beginning later this week.
With the move, Coinfloor, one of the larger players in bitcoin's still nascent GBP market, embraces a pricing strategy that is comparable to the industry's largest, though primarily China-based exchanges, which have long withheld fees on bitcoin-denominated trades.
Speaking to CoinDesk, exchange representatives indicated that the move is designed to boost liquidity at the exchange, the largest GBP bitcoin trading platform by volume, according to data from Bitcoinity.
...Coinfloor said it will continue to charge for bitcoin withdrawals, as well as GBP deposits and withdrawals. My feeling is that this is just an introductory offer and when they have enough liquidity they will start charging fees for trading. It is perfectly possible to cover their expenses with fees on "bitcoin withdrawals, as well as GBP deposits and withdrawals". 0 fees is a perfect environment for liquidity providing trading bots. However a maker-taker fee structure that is free for makers can accomplish the same thing while preventing wash trades.
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If it fails like $300 failed in nov '15, or how $500 failed in aug '16, then I'm good to go.
$780 looks like strong support, the crazy panic selling didn't manage to take it down even though price went below it shortly.
There could be another attack on it and I'm not sure it would hold on second attack. A lot of people are close to panicking as is. Not everybody bought in 2012 or earlier, so that's a difference to the 2013 rallyes were noone had bought at those prices. Above $1200 things would look differently... but we're still in known territory where a lot has been going on already. I'm not sure either it would hold, guess we'll have to see. Otoh, I don't really understand your point regarding the difference between now and 2013. What do you mean, noone had bought at those prices? Who propped the market to ATH if nobody bought there? In 2013 the rally happened much more quickly. There was only a very short amount of time over $1000. We held above it much longer this time, so more bitcoins changed hands above $1000.
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