Actual social-democracies are a farce, because, for example, there are politicians between your ideas and the making of laws. It doesnt matter. If you create a system that is managed completely by assemblies it would be even worse in a lot of senses. Assemblies are slow, suffer heavily from imperfect inforamtion, dont have a price system and worse of all heavily promote political darwinism. Having a system run by assemblies is basically imposible and would drive any nation into extreme poverty. Its poverty exploitation.
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Its working for me. When other pools go down and everybody comes, statistics go a bit crazy, but they usually solve it quickly.
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So you suckers are the ones that are making BTCGuild misbehave? You are freeriders. You dont belong to the great pool of BTC Guild. Only natives of BTC Guild should be admited. You are not original BTCGuilders! Go back home, we dont want you here! Buhhhh!
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Plus, I can show off to my friends ( who think i'm a dedicated nerd ) my 2 mining rigs. "Whoa man, wtf is that?!" it's a heater that generates money! Its magic!
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Very nice. Please, let us know the results, Im very curious about it.
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You guys are just realizing this? Of course, there are going to be legions of troll armies of various factions trying to control this market, because there is no regulation. It will easily be accomplished by buy/sell orders and bots, not to mention psy-ops. Cornering this market for a big player like say the russian mob is childs play because there is tiny float, and the liquidity is a joke. All these realities are starting to sink in for the dreamers. When they start realizing that this currency is not functional as a currency (because of instability) is yet to be seen. Make no mistake this is a dangerous market, without supervision from big brother. So the bad children are having a field day and will continue. Trade accordingly. Uhhhh, be afraid, be very afraid!! PS: George Bush is looking for a new propagandist.
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Sorry I had just woken up when I wrote that post, what I said made no sense.
Sure it has some subjective value, but food or water will always be needed until science alters our metabolism, so there will always be some value to it. Yes, it will always have some subjective value as long as humans exists. Its imposible for anything to have objective value. For something to have objective value it needs to have value independently from humans. Its imposible, because by definition value is what we value, its subjective.
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Food has only temporary value as well. I just showed you that at some point food was less valued than a car.
The farmer and his entire family will always need food, for the rest of his life at steady 4 to 12 hour intervals, and if he was too hungry to drive his daughter might just as well have died. Just because I currently value a bitcoin as worth more than 5 breads does not mean bitcoin is more valuable as a commodity. Bitcoin has no value for most people in the world. I will always need bread, even if my internet access is cut off or there is a massive shortage of electricity, I'll manage without bitcoin. However, you or I can't manage without bread or other food. We can manage without bitcoins. Hence bitcoin has subjective value (up to market to decide) but food is always worth *something*. If fuel runs out globally, cars become worthless. If there is an attack on electricity networks, all gadgets become useless. But food can't become useless as long as someone is alive. Do you realize you are justifying that food has subjective value? You are saying that food is valuable to humans because we need it. That is the exact definition of subjective value. Hugo, I agree with you that food has objective value. It is a necessary component of human life, but depending on the supply and demand of certain foods, the prices might change, but there will always be demand, unless we kill ourselves off. It's more objective than subjective, imo. Im saying that all value is subjective, including the food value. Objective value means that its value is independent of the needs and wants of humans. That its value is inherent, not dependent on any human. For me its obvious that is imposible. Value will always come from the needs and wants of humans, therefore is subjective.
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According to this way of thinking, the Nvidias have a lot of potential too. Graphic performance =/= mining performance. The only way you can know if the PowerVR are good for mining is trying them. Different graphic architectures have different mining performance. If you do Im interested in knowing how they do.
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Food has only temporary value as well. I just showed you that at some point food was less valued than a car.
The farmer and his entire family will always need food, for the rest of his life at steady 4 to 12 hour intervals, and if he was too hungry to drive his daughter might just as well have died. Just because I currently value a bitcoin as worth more than 5 breads does not mean bitcoin is more valuable as a commodity. Bitcoin has no value for most people in the world. I will always need bread, even if my internet access is cut off or there is a massive shortage of electricity, I'll manage without bitcoin. However, you or I can't manage without bread or other food. We can manage without bitcoins. Hence bitcoin has subjective value (up to market to decide) but food is always worth *something*. If fuel runs out globally, cars become worthless. If there is an attack on electricity networks, all gadgets become useless. But food can't become useless as long as someone is alive. Do you realize you are justifying that food has subjective value? You are saying that food is valuable to humans because we need it. That is the exact definition of subjective value.
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Im getting this error in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS when running autogen.sh:
~/cpuminer$ sh autogen.sh configure.ac:15: installing `./compile' configure.ac:4: installing `./config.guess' configure.ac:4: installing `./config.sub' configure.ac:6: installing `./install-sh' configure.ac:6: installing `./missing' compat/jansson/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL' configure.ac:96: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation.
Any suggestion?
Standard advice -- your autotools installation is old or broken. Use release tarball. Its a server with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. I guess its "old". Ill try the tarball, thanks. EDIT: The tarball worked.
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The only thing you're optimistic about is finding 4 5870's Good luck with that. They're not difficult to find at all in Europe. You can find some, but not at 155 euros. More like at 200+ euros. Still worth it in my opinion, its a very good card, but your stimations are way off. You are going to make a lot less money than you expect.
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In reality, what do you mean by food having absolute value?
The car has only temporary value because the farmer's daughter is sick. But when she gets better, the car becomes useless if the farmer's family doesn't need to travel or they are happy with horse carts or walking. Food has only temporary value as well. I just showed you that at some point food was less valued than a car. That is exactly the point, value is subjective: It depends on the needs and wants of a person, its not absolute. However, they will always need their harvest or other sources of food to stay alive. The need is constant as long as someone in the family is alive. Hence it is always worth a certain portion of their income that they are willing to part with (be it 2%, 5% or like in many poor countries, over 50% of their income will go into food) This does not contradict at all that value is subjective. Unless material replicators or other sources of synthetic food are invented, food will always be a commodity that has infinite demand (as opposed to other commodities which only have limited, increasing or diminishing demand, such as certain consumer goods) but only a limited supply.
You could argue Bitcoin and gold are limited in supply as well, which is true, but they do not have infinite demand over time (infinite meaning as long as humans are alive), at least yet. They are not essential to the vast majority of people. I agree. This does not contradict that value is subjective. Therefore a thing of absolute value must be something that has a worth for everyone. You are defining absolute as subjetively valuable for all humans. Absolute value means that it does not depend on the subjective valuation of anyone. Yet, you keep repeating that food is valuable because people need it. That means subjectively valued by people.
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Not everybody here is north -merican, I'm european. How am I supposed to know that? You know now. PS: From a fellow ex-social-democrat, now turned libertarian. Social-democracies are evil, they hurt the poor.
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Necessities do have absolute value.
These include food, clean water and in some cases housing (though many people in the world live on the streets). People are always willing to invest a certain amount of their income in those things, because they are required for sustaining life (unless they are self-sufficient farmers). People that refuse to, will die, or will have to resort to the charity of others, or stealing.
Bitcoins, gold, home theatre systems, computers, jet ski's and desktop fans have only arbitrary value. Anything beyond the initial cost of labor+materials is just a percieved value due to their utility, rarity, etc., but everyone in the world can survive without them and has survived for thousands of years.
Nobody can survive without nutrition or drink though. Clothing and shelter are very critical needs as well, depending on the climate they might have absolute value as well (especially in colder countries).
This is aparently a very intuitive though, but only aparently, because it does not describe reality. Lets try a very simple though experiment: Imagine a farmer with all his food necesities covered for months. Suddenly his daughter gets ill and he needs a car to take her to the doctor. But he does not have a car. Now someone comes and offers him a car and a lot of food. What do you think he will value more in that moment? Supposedly food has absolute value while the car does not, right? Still, he would choose the car. How can that be if food has absolute value? In reality, what do you mean by food having absolute value?
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try :- ./configure
I actually tried ./configure just for the sake of it and does nothing as expected. Autogen is failing.
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Im getting this error in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS when running autogen.sh:
~/cpuminer$ sh autogen.sh configure.ac:15: installing `./compile' configure.ac:4: installing `./config.guess' configure.ac:4: installing `./config.sub' configure.ac:6: installing `./install-sh' configure.ac:6: installing `./missing' compat/jansson/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL' configure.ac:96: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation.
Any suggestion?
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For those who aren't UK based: the Guardian is the most left wing, pro-state, anti-individualism newspaper in the country. Bitcoin is unlikely to get a good review from the Guardian until it has "government approved" stamped all over it.
That being said, that article wasn't anywhere near as bad is it could be (or will be once the main Guardian journalists get wind of Bitcoins).
I know what you mean but individualism was left-wing when it started. Originally, being a lefty meant supporting individual rights, being a clasic liberal (as opposed to a progressive liberal). Everything gets co-opted in this world...
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I'm socialist. Which, btw, is different from communist. I mean, every 1st world country is socialist up to some degree: they have universal health care (except for the US), police, firemen, public schools etc.
Thats not the definition of socialist. I think you mean you are a social-democrat. Well, there was no Social-democrat option here, and socialist inside a democracy is the same than social-democrat. American liberal is social-democrat.
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I'm socialist. Which, btw, is different from communist. I mean, every 1st world country is socialist up to some degree: they have universal health care (except for the US), police, firemen, public schools etc.
Thats not the definition of socialist. I think you mean you are a social-democrat.
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