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Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Centralization is Killing BitCoin
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on: July 05, 2011, 03:28:21 PM
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The author is wrong when he says that Deepbit has all the power. The power belong to thousends of miners that use Deepbit. If Deepbit tried to abuse, it might get somethign temporarely (and would damage Bitcoin image), but the miners would pull out quickly rendering Deepbit useless. Also, Deepbit would be out of the game, so it has a strong incentive to keep being honest. As for the DOS attacks, pcolbm has now option for backup servers, so when one mining pool server goes down the miners automatically switch to the next one in the list and the network keeps working. I agree, lets not have mining pools, lets just have p2p mining integrated into the spec. Nobody ever gets 50BTC, everyone always gets a share of the mined block according to their contribution.
*waves hand mystically*
make it so.
On a serious note, has anyone actually proposed a mechanism for implementing this? Any threads? Seems kinda difficult.
The problem with a p2p mining pool is how do you keep the miners honest. It would be very easy to cheat. I think that just taking some care that no mining pool has 50+% and now that the miners allow for backup servers it will be enough.
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Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New investment
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on: July 05, 2011, 11:30:24 AM
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you all make me scared, why people are mining if the will not be profitable?
People already has the hardware payed or almost payed. If you check since the last two difficulties increases, the hashing power of the network has grown less. It means people is not investing much in mining hardware. Its less attractive to mine right now. If the price exchange of bitcoin goes up you will be profitable. If it does not, hope that difficulty stays low... And if the price of bitcoins goes up, you would have done a lot better just buying bitcoins and holding them than investing in mining equipment. Dont get scared. Im just pointing to you the facts so you know what is in front of you. Nobody knows what will happen in the future, anything could happen. Im just pointing you the posibilities.
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Bitcoin / Pools / Re: bit pit - (LP, Prop, OnDemand, SSL, API, 0% fee, SUPER LOW STALES)
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on: July 05, 2011, 10:37:28 AM
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Im very impressed until now. How do you do it to get so few stales? This should be a top pool.
1bitc0inplz coded on his own the pool software, thats how we get 0 stales Yeah, but we don't have enough hash rate to get in top 10 either.. Yes, I know, what I meant is that I am surpirsed that more miners did not jump in. No fees and almost no stales? What else can anyone ask? And with 10 or 20 "normal" miners moving in your could get 200GH/s and then it would probably snowball. Do you think the system would scale with higher loads? (You probably are going to say YES! but lets hear it).
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Bitcoin / Pools / Re: bit pit - (LP, Prop, OnDemand, SSL, API, 0% fee, SUPER LOW STALES)
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on: July 05, 2011, 09:47:14 AM
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Ive pointed 1 of my miners to your pool to try it out. Right now is working fine, not even one stale. If this continue this way, when you find the current block Ill point the other 3 as well.
Thanks! We would appreciate your other 3 miners as well, that would definitely help use increase our hash rate. Im very impressed until now. How do you do it to get so few stales? This should be a top pool.
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Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New investment
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on: July 05, 2011, 09:45:07 AM
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TY Clipse, but I don"t know what "RBE bios mod @ 960/180" mean (I am french) can you explain it?
With the next difficulty I will earn $144 per month and I will make benefit until a 3 500 000 difficulty This difficulty rise will be only around 10% increase. The two previous ones were both over 50% increase. If the price of bitcoins does not go up, you wont recover your investment probably.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin economy on fire
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on: July 05, 2011, 08:48:52 AM
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There are 2 ways to get btc mining and selling. 2 weeks ago there was no reason to sell because the mining margins were massive. Now, things are starting to get interesting. It won't be true economy until mining electricity costs = $ bitcoin. This will happen no matter what if Bitcoin keeps working. Mining has a very low barrier of entry, so it will happen. How long it will take to get there depends on the price of the ASIC's (if they ever appear, but it seems they will). But the Bitcoin economy is not directly related to mining profits.
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Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: LinuxCoin A lightweight Debian based OS with everything ready to go.
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on: July 05, 2011, 08:10:12 AM
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I was trying to get the fan speed profile to work (auto control) based on temps. Even though it was set in the .over file the -b flag would not engage it. I did not try a static fan speed setting. Yes, that is the only option that does not work. It only works with the GUI on, dont know why. I have opened a bug, maybe you can add a comment so it picks the attention of the developer: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3322352&group_id=387278&atid=1609264But aticonfig does not allow this option neither (as far as I know). Another thing, I have one card that doesn't like being clocked at 1000 so I set a .over profile at 950, it would spit out that it was seting the clock at 950, followed by output stating it was set back to 1000. Maybe I am doing something g wrong but I could not get different clock profiles to run concurrently on different cards. Are you setting it in the right performance level? Also, you can not set a gpu speed lower than the previous performance level. F.e. if performance level 1 has gpu speed at 975Mhz, you can not set pu in performance level 2 a gpu speed of 950Mhz. To have a pgu speed of 950Mhz on performance level 2, set the gpu speed in performance level 1 under 950Mhz. In general you should not have a higher setting for anything, gpu spped, memory speed or voltage, in a lower performance level. One more thing, it does not affect mining apparently, but it is also recommended that the memory speed is the same in all performance level, specially in the card connected to the screen (if any).
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Bitcoin / Pools / Re: bit pit - (LP, Prop, OnDemand, SSL, API, 0% fee, SUPER LOW STALES)
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on: July 05, 2011, 07:53:59 AM
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Ive pointed 1 of my miners to your pool to try it out. Right now is working fine, not even one stale. If this continue this way, when you find the current block Ill point the other 3 as well.
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Economy / Economics / Re: What we need is FAIR markets, not free markets.
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on: July 04, 2011, 08:09:36 PM
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[Wikipedia] In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.Yeah, under that definition monopolies can actually happen without government intervention. And they do happen. Let me give you an example: Microsoft. Yeah, Microsoft. Almost everyone uses windows, so hardware designers and computer distributors want their products to be windows compatible. Microsoft had the monopoly so they forced sellers to sell their computers with windows installed if they wanted windows to work on their machines. That is the "a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it." part. Until that moment there was no government intervention. Fortunately, governments did intervene. You are kidding me right? Microsoft biggest clients are government administrations. What regulations did the government pass that went against MS except some of the EU with no real impact? Im not using MS. How is that a monpolly? Monopollies, that is situation that harm the consumer, can only happen with government intervention.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Five economic lessons from Sweden, the rock star of the recovery
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on: July 04, 2011, 07:49:43 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression. Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade. You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.
Government spending is stupid and never works. For the government to spend, it has to tax. When it taxes, it is suctioning up capital from one sector of the economy, to decide what sector it will inject it in. Government cannot create wealth out of thin air. So, even though that's just what Sweden has done, and they've come out on top after the recession, what they just did doesn't work? Interesting. You never addressed my reply about how government spending does not work. I find curious that you keep repeating the same.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will make BitCoin rise in value?
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on: July 04, 2011, 07:37:51 PM
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When the loop is closed .
Meaning you pay the baker in bitcoins then he can go buy supplies in bitcoins then the supplier can pay overhead in bitcoins then his employees can buy from the baker.
Rinse/Repeat But this is going to take a lot of time. I think a more realistic view is: You pay the baker in bitcoins. The baker pays his website hosting in bitcoins. The website hosting owner buys an offer from Metaco.in That person buys bread from the baker (yes my imagination is tired, but you get the idea) You dont need the business to only operate in bitcoins for Bitcoin to be a sucess. As long as people have a place to spend their bitcoins, they will realize in a few years that owning bitcoins is a lot better since they dont depreciate and they will favor it more and more, they will tell their friends, their costumers, other business owners, etc... We just need to create a bit of an economy (this is going to be the hardest part) and then it will snowball.
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Economy / Economics / Re: What we need is FAIR markets, not free markets.
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on: July 04, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
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1. you presume the cost of regulation compares to the entry costs. establishing a rental properly is non-cheap, even if you toss out all regulations down to building codes. No, I dont. yes you do. the effect of regulation on the people entering the market is proportional to their cost WRT existing costs of entry. if they're not on the same order, the regulation's effect on the number of people entering the market is negligible. This model of the effect of regulations is too simplistic and completely unreal. I dont asume those premises.
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