My miners are going idle very often because of server connection problems as well.

No.

Long answer: Value and price are different things. Price is the reflection of value. But things can have value and no price, for example something with emotional value that you refuse to sell (although some would say that the problem is that nobody has offered you a high enough price). Anyhow, the price is maybe the best reflection of value.

As someone has stated before, value is subjective. Value is a human decision, and its different for everyone. Without a human valuing it an object has no value.

And now answering your question: there is no absolute price. Everything floats in respect to other objects. You are always pricing things in another object. F.e.: I will change you one caw for three sheeps, I will change you this car for a sex night with your girlfriend (interesting valuation here), I will change you a computer for a $600, I will change you 10 euros for 1 bitcoin, etc... Because this can be a mess, people end up using one object as means of exchange and exchanging everything against this object. This has been many things, like tobaco, sea shells, salt, spices, etc... but universaly and cultures without contact have end up selecting precious metals, specially gold and silver, because of its qualities. This object its what we call money. The benefits of having a few objects acting as means of exchange is that it allows for economic calculation and a pricing system that is what allows economic coordination in the division of labour and allows human progress.

The numbers are way off on a lot of them. I doubt that the 5870 consumes 270W.

The guardian one is funny. The end did not need to be like that, but apart from that it was funny.

Why is money a special product?

Indeed.

I had 3 computers at home and was mining with the least powerful one, an Intel Atom I have as home server, and at reduced speed because I did not want it to consume too much energy and slow other server tasks. I was doing it just to collaborate with the project. And when the "GPU revolution" arrived I just stopped mining because the Intel Atom grahpic card did not had opencl and I did not want to keep the other computers on. If only I had known...

I actually gave a friend 50 bitcoins when they where like $2 each, and now its a $1000. I have been giving bitcoins away to get people onboard all the time. It was different back then.

Ive been looking at the code of radeonvolt, its not complicated, but to get the info you need to know the graphic card protocol, which I dont, it takes time and its boring as hell. And for someone who already knows it, it would be quite easy to provide it, or even hack radeonvolt to accept more types of cards...

I would actually pay some bitcoins to someone willing to actualize radeonvolt or AMDOverdriveCtrl (or a new one) to provide that info. Maybe we can start a bounty.

EDIT: I have checked the AMD ADL Library (the one used by AMDOverdriveCtrl) and it does not allow to access current or other temprearture sensors. It actually allows to access what AMDOverdriveCtrl is already showing. To get the rest of the info you need to access the card (via i2c I believe) and its probably different for every model.

If anyone is willing to upgrade radeonvolt (or AMDOverdriveCtrl or a new one) to read 5870 cards I am willing to give 5btc bounty.

Perfect information does not exists, but there is better and worst information distribution. Talking about perfect information is just derailing the topic.

Also, free markets does not imply the existance of perfect information. That would be silly. Free market can exist and have existed.

Let me answer with a question:

I decide to store some type of computer cable, and suddenly the manufacturers stop making it. Now there is a lot of people that want that cable replacement and a very reduced supply, therefore the price goes up. Am I stealing from someone?

I think we agree, just using somehow different language.

I have bought from cablesaurus (using bitcoins) and Im very satisfied with the service.

I know of gpu-z but there are others. There is also the issue of the rest of sensors.

I guess I could look into the code of radeonvolt to see how it does it and try to adapt it to my card... :snooze: Now seriously, there are ways to get the info, its kind of sad that no linux frontend (GUI or comand line) to get that info exists.

I know I am getting repetitive but it would be great if we could get someway to get the consumption and the rest of the temperature sensors in Linux.

With AMDOverdriveCtrl you can see the voltage, but it does not tell you the current. You need both to know the consumption. The cards measure it because windows applications allow you to know.

There is this application called radeonvolt but it only works with a few selected cards.

Anyone has a solution?

Yes. I was checking now and the utility he recomended uses AMD ADL API, which I believe is the same AMDOverdriveCtrl uses. So basically both programs are frontends to the same AMD API. There should be no difference.


AMDOverdriveCtrl lets you save the profile once you have a configuration you like and then you can load it with the -b option, for example:

AMDOverdriveCtrl -i 1 -b profilefordevice1.ovdr

This will set up the device 1 with the configuration on the file profilefordevice1.ovdr (that you should have created with the GUI previously) and exits, allowing you to start the miners. No need to have the GUI running. I actually have a script that sets the cards using taht comand and then launches the miners.

But paying taxes is not about welfare. Government is about power, not welfare. Welfare is just the excuse the government uses to get your money.

Thats actually one of the points of the article.

This does not make sense. AMDOverdriveCtrl uses the ATI official API. Why does AMDOverdriveCtr gives, according to you, more inestability?

Hazek, users complaining and demanding a better service is a important part of the free market. Its important feedback for MtGox.

Right, but two things:

1. I dont know why, but I just dont like seeing people suffering, specially if its by some random shit out of their control. So helping the less fortunate is something that comes out naturally. I know we like to joke around, act tought and stuff, but usually 99.9% of the people is this way.

2. Humans are social animals. And the rules of society are social contructs, social conventions. We can agree that respecting individual rights is the best way to organize society because it creates maximum wellfare and progress. But if some part of society suffers big poverty, they are not going to accept the social conventions, they wont see the reason why they should. So helping the less fortunate get their shit together again and become self-reliable is in your own interest.

PS: I hate welfare that just makes people addicted to more welfare. Help should always be directed at getting people out of the whole.

LOL